Thank you sir for this video. I watched it 3 years ago and got everything hooked up to my gas stub out last year. Used it for Beryl and it all worked like a charm!
@whatsaroundusАй бұрын
And here I am, after Beryl.
@redb2153Ай бұрын
My power is still out, and I need to connect my dual fuel westinghouse 12500 to natural gas. I am very confused with the regulator stuff. Do I have to disconnect the one for propane ? To be able to connect to the natural gas one? Is there any link/model number for a natural gas regulator? Do we find them in a Lowe's or Home Depot around the Houston area?
@roberto5537Ай бұрын
@@redb2153 Hi, if the stock propane regulator is adjustable, some are but not many, then you can open the adjustment screw a few turns, and that should be fine, if it is not adjustable, you have to buy that special low pressure regulator do not put a barbecue regulator on it. That would be dangerous because the gas will continue to flow gas even if the generator is off, I believe you can get a Nash regulator on Amazon eBay or directly from Nash
@im4udevco Жыл бұрын
I'm probably 2 years late and really appreciate the video. I have a 9500DF and plan on doing the same thing
@roush2win3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, it was very helpful and easy to understand. I have an Igen4500DF and duplicated your set-up.
@rohitshrivastava4742Ай бұрын
Hi! Did you replace the propane inlet on the generator with a different type or found an adapter that fits?
@kennethj.jamrozyii7856 Жыл бұрын
Great Information!! Thank You so much for making this video and sharing, It Is greatly appreciated!!
@ashmoh54013 жыл бұрын
This is what I call very informative video thanks
@JerryHawk2502 жыл бұрын
I used the regulator that came with the generator for natural gas conversion. I removed the brass fitting that was between the propane regulator and black regulator and installed a quick connect on the regulator. I ran a 10' 3/8" hose from there to my house meter were i have another quick connect. It runs perfect on natural gas. The brass fitting is only needed for propane as it has a smaller orifice. I'll put a quick connect on it so i can use propane when needed.
@newsysop2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your setup Jerry. So, did you connect the propane regulator that came with the generator to your NG metal pipe using a quick connect? Also, did you have a chance to test the maximum wattage that the generator can handle? I assume the regulator that came with the generator doesn't have a screw that throttles the gas flow unlike the one that comes with 100155 kits. So, I wonder if the generator will get the right amount of NG when the black regulator that come with the generator. Thank you very much for your time in advance.
@JerryHawk2502 жыл бұрын
@@newsysop I used a quick connector on the Black regulator. I've only tested with my RV with everything running. The generator only spiked up to 50% load and back to 25%. It Didn't run any different than it did on gas or propane. I'm sure there will be some loss in power but for my use it's irrelevant. The propane regulator nearest the bottle will have an orifice to reduce flow. The black regulator doesn't have any restriction so it has plenty enough flow.
@Oblivionsurveyor Жыл бұрын
Can you detail the parts used, what do you mean between the propane regular and the black regulator?
@JerryHawk250 Жыл бұрын
@@Oblivionsurveyor For natural gas you will only need the large black regulator. Natural gas is low pressure so you won't need the smaller silver regulator that is near the propane connector. I don't have a detail list made up as most of the quick connectors I already had laying around.
@Oblivionsurveyor Жыл бұрын
@@JerryHawk250 So the two regulators are attached to each other and the silver one is the one with the plastic QCC propane connect? So that would have to be removed for proper NG operation?
@stellarproductions88883 жыл бұрын
That is a really neat gas conversion for the generator. Truth is, the Igen 4500 is really meant to power RV's, so its only going to at best power 1/4 of a persons house. But hey, maybe thats all he needs. All I know is, its sure is quiet! I bought the Westinghouse Wegen 7500 open framed generator, powers everything that I need it to, but sucker is loud in comparison.
@om19784 жыл бұрын
Hi, nice video, can you publish the links of the components, I try to find the adapters that you use but I didn’t find anything
@maxbathgate93492 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video, I had no idea something like this would be so simple. I have the same igen4500DF generator. Could you please provide the exact type and part number of regulator needed for this conversion? Thank you again.
@johnmcd6652 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this informative video. The one thing that would be helpful is links below for the neccessary parts needed. othervise very helpful.
@peterd659214 күн бұрын
Would you mind put the links to the quick connect and adapters you use to connect the gas line to the generator? Appreciated and tks very much!
@eduardosoboll34174 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
Should work fine, some new generators have the low pressure regulator Already installed, The low pressure regulator settings is different from propane to natural gas so you would have to have two separate pressure voltage regulator The way you see it in this video one set up for propane and one set up for natural gas no adjustments were done to the generator it is completely stock except for the inlet fitting that we installed for a quick change between propane and natural gas, But this is an option and does not have to be done
@ken-bm1wy3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for getting back to my question so quickly. If I understand correctly, I should be able to attach the natural gas low pressure regulator at the meter, change the propane inlet fitting that came with the generator to a size to accomodate the natural gas hose fitting and I should be good to go.
@robeason95943 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! As best I can tell from your video, this conversion should work for any home-use size propane generator, correct? Thanks
@GoldshackGarage2 жыл бұрын
@@robeason9594 looking for the same answer...I have a Pulsar 4700w or so Gas/LPG and want to convert it to NG...but I'm worried about buying the wrong parts
@roberto55372 жыл бұрын
@@GoldshackGarage Adam if it’s set up for propane you just need a low pressure regulator for the natural gas, you need to get one that has the Adjustment to set the flow of gas, There about $100.00 plus the BBQ hose, there’s nothing to adjust on the generator if it’s already set up for propane, natural gas will give you a bit less power but unless you’re using the generator to the maximum you should be fine
@roberto55372 жыл бұрын
@@emilyc5309 I’m not familiar with that model number. If you’re propane setup has 2 regulators together on it a small one high pressure first one closest to the propane bottle and a bigger one low pressure negative pressure that is connected to the small regulator you should be fine to install just a new negative pressure regulator there about $100.00 on Amazon or eBay they have a primer button in the center. if you’re setup has only one regulator at the propane bottle it’s not going to work unless you remove the internal regulator because it’s setup for propane and natural gas needs to be adjusted deferent Hope this helps.
@Tao_Peace2 жыл бұрын
Great video!! I have a 9500DF. So would I need to install and whole new conversion kit to run the natural gas or do I just get different valves,lines and run it though my existing propane regulator? Another video shows that I have to do a whole carb spacer? Appreciate any input!
@RayLacks4 жыл бұрын
Nice set up!
@sergiosigala3537 Жыл бұрын
Very informative video and thanks for explaining it very well. I would like to know if this same set up will work on a champion dual 4500 inverter too.
@EricHalabura3 жыл бұрын
Can you send me the parts you ordered for this and where you ordered them? I want to make sure I get the right parts and regulator
Some items on the part list seem incorrect. The generator has a 3/8 flare for propane. To turn that into a 3/8 quick connect, shouldn't you require a 3/8 MALE (instead of female) to 1/4 male adapter fitting?
@roberto5537Ай бұрын
@@whatsaroundus Hi, we removed the factory fitting, just turn it slowly and it will come out, and then you will be left with a 1/4 pipe female fitting on the generator. You can also do it with the 3/8 male but it will stick out more and can easily be hit. Hope this helps
@thomasvacek24853 жыл бұрын
I’m wondering why you recommend shutdown by cutting off fuel rather than the button or remote. Do you that there isn’t a fuel cutoff internally? There is a part on the schematic called “fuel stepping motor”
@lanphanh3 жыл бұрын
Great job!
@jonlee56422 жыл бұрын
how easy was it to remove the factory fitting?
@bkjambitenergy2 жыл бұрын
THANKS
@GigEmAgs1233 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert, I having trouble locating the regulator that you recommend: Champion 100155 Nat Gas Conversion kit. Amazon has been out of stock for several months. Is there a similar or alternate part that I could use that you would recommend? I plan on connecting to an existing nat gas supply line that came with my home intended for outdoor BBQ pit use. Will that work? Also do i have to add the quick connect or is it only for convenience when changing fuels?
@bigbearmeetslittlebear34012 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@user-jq8xj3po7v Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I have a 1-1/4 gas line from the meter. I got a 1 1/4 to 3/4 inch reducer and have 1 3/4 inch ng hose. Do I need to reduce it to 3/8 and then get the 3/8 to 1/4 adapter for the generator or can I just get a 3/4 to 1/4 adapter? Thanks again
@MrSaltydevildog4 жыл бұрын
Can you please list the components you used.
@MrSaltydevildog4 жыл бұрын
Champion 100155 Natural Gas Conversion kit and Adapter, 1/4" Male Pipe x 3/8" Female adapter, 3/8 Inch Natural Gas Quick Connect Fittings, LP Gas Propane Hose Quick Disconnect Kit, Natural Gas Hose with 3/8 Male Flare Quick Connect/Disconnect for BBQ Gas Grill, Brass Hose Barb Fitting -3/8 Inch Barb to 3/8 Inch Male NPT Adapter.
@Hundert14 жыл бұрын
@@MrSaltydevildog Thanks 👍🏼
@danbazinet80184 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert. Thanks for posting the video! Very useful! Question... I already have a quick-connect for the natural gas from the house. Do I still need the NASH regulator kit, or can I use a straight hose (as I have for my grill)?
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
Yes you need the regulator, it a negative pressure regulator gas will only flow when the generator is on sucking (pulling vacuum) or if you press the primer, if you don’t use the regulator gas will keep flowing with the generator off very dangerous
@danbazinet80183 жыл бұрын
Robert O. Thank you for the explanation!
@stellarproductions88883 жыл бұрын
Now that was an excellent question to ask Robert, and thats why I looked for his answer because I was curious, as I like to learn new things, even though I have no natural gas hookup. And I just learned today about negative pressure gas systems, never heard of that before, almost sounds like a safer system then positive pressure, would you agree?
@garycrabtree47383 жыл бұрын
If it’s a dual fuel generator, then it already has a regulator for the propane. Adding the extra regulator seems to be an unnecessary duplication, unless there is some major difference in pressure or flow rates. Have tried it without the extra regulator to see if one already on the generator is sufficient.
@jmak20053 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 Doesnt the generator already have the secondary on demand regulator? I dont understand why that one wouldnt stop the gas from flowing if it wasnt being consumed.
@neilmacdonald84242 жыл бұрын
Does the Nash regulator stay on the Gas main 247 or is it getting taken off when not in use?
@samhickman3813 Жыл бұрын
You said you removed the male 3/8” flare from the generator and added a 3/8” quick connect. What is the 3/8” male flare connected to inside the generator? 1/4” pipe?
@roberto5537 Жыл бұрын
I believe it was a 1/4 pipe, was a long time ago Just remove it slowly and see what’s there
@dgunearthed78593 жыл бұрын
Robert o, I'm not real handy so this is all heiroglyphics to me. I don't think I have a regulator on my natural gas grill, are you saying if I had the natural gas going directly to the generator it'd blow up? But ultimately, if I had the natural gas get to the generator it would work. Thanks
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
You can’t feed natural gas directly to the generator it will leak natural gas, Very dangerous and won’t work, You need the negative pressure regulator you see I put next to the gas meter, it’s about $100.00
@dgunearthed78593 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 Ok, thanks. I don't even have a generator yet. Thankfully, my city has it's own power and it RARELY goes out. One of these days though!!! One of these days lol Thanks for the video! ;-)
@stifflerjj4 Жыл бұрын
Can you do this setup if you already have a gas valve / tap set up in your garage or does it have to be write off the M another word is there a high and low pressure you're tapping off of or is where you're tapping off the same pressure as it is in a house where the furnace connect to when I was building my house I installed to natural gas Taps that are currently capped off in the garage one to run a natural gas barbecue grill and a natural gas generator
@roberto5537 Жыл бұрын
If it’s at least 3/4 pipe it should be fine, a short run +or - 5 feet of 1/2 also should work, if there’s not enough gas supply the generator will not produce the full capacity it won’t harm the generator Hope this helps, I have more videos with it running off a 3/4 line in the back yard
@robertb24443 жыл бұрын
Good job! Thank you for sharing!
@p.andrewwill35232 жыл бұрын
How do you unscrew the original brass propane fitting to put in the new one -- what size socket or other tool did you use?
@p.andrewwill35232 жыл бұрын
A 3/4" socket worked fine to remove the propane flare fitting from the front of the unit. Interesting note is that the thread feeding the carburetor on the other side of the flare fitting is only 1/4".
@peterd659214 күн бұрын
What kind of thread is that 1/4"? NPT or flare? Tks
@travis84043 жыл бұрын
What is the part# on the Nash regulator ? great info thanks for posting
@KingDavid272 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips. I am trying to add NG to my Champion dual fuel. How did you bypass the propane regulator inside the generator? It is likely to have small orifice that will limit the flow of NG, right?
@roberto5537 Жыл бұрын
The Propane regulator is on the outside regulator, it has two regulators together, I don’t know if any generator the has the regulator in it, the fuel intake is on the side of the carburetor and the adjustment are made on the low pressure regulator. Check out my Harbor Fright 3500 convention it explains it better. Or the gas only Westinghouse conversion to NG
@Oblivionsurveyor Жыл бұрын
Another commenter said he used the original generators regulator and just changed the connector to a high-flow quick connect. So is it possible you don't need to buy a expensive regulator and can just mod the existing one to work?
@roberto5537 Жыл бұрын
The original is made for propane and had no adjustment Screw, and we wanted to keep the propane setup also, don’t know if it will work, just make sure it doesn’t leak when it’s not running, you will have to split the Hi and low pressure regulator. $100 for a proven safe regulator is not too much for peace of mind. even if you get a different generator you can keep the regulator. Watch my Harbor freight NG 3500 conversion it explains how it works better
@neilmacdonald84242 жыл бұрын
Is there any reason I shouldn't run 1/2' x 24' hose? For my situation, 12 would work, but, 24' would be best. Does that long of a hose create any issues for the generator in this video?
@roberto55372 жыл бұрын
I know 1/2x 16’ works but anything more I don’t know, it won’t hurt the generator but the output will be less if it doesn’t get enough fuel good luck and thanks for watching
@robertlane6675 Жыл бұрын
Nice hair dryers...
@kennethabrahamsen65467 ай бұрын
Has anyone ever been able to determine the approximate BTU's/Hr or CF/Hr usage on natural gas under various electrical loads (idle, half-load, full load)? I have a A250 natural gas meter (est. maximum 250,000 BTUs) that currently serves a 110,000 BTU natural gas Boiler (for heat and domestic hot water), a natural gas stove/oven (9,500-74,5000 BTUs but when in use, generally usage is closer to 27,500 BTUs while cooking) , and a natural gas clothes dryer (20,000 BTUs, if it's needed for laundry). At general utilization, it looks like I'll have about (at most) about 92,500 BTUs available to supply the generator. If anyone has information of the estimated NG usage by the iGen4500 under various loads using NG, it'd be appreciated.
@bryanmorgan7922 жыл бұрын
Robert - Can you share what was the fitting you used on the generator and what was the nash regulator you used. A link to what you used would be great. Does it matter what kind of NG regulator to use?
@roberto55372 жыл бұрын
Hi, it was over 2 years ago so I don’t really remember what exactly was the fitting, it was my nephews generator we ordered on Amazon a BBQ NG Quick connector with a 1/2 hose After we received the hose we removed the fitting from the generator and went to a local hardware store and got the fitting and adapter to make it work, The regulator just needs to be a regulator made for a generator there about $100.00 there’s regulators are special and don’t flow gas if the generator is stopped the kind doesn’t matter, I have used Nash and US Carburetor I didn’t see any difference Nash is a bit cheaper Don’t use a appliance regulator it won’t work and will allow gas to flow when the generator is not running. Hope this helps Robert
@bryanmorgan7922 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Robert.
@mcnamarar43 жыл бұрын
Robert O, Do you know where I can find the brass mixture control valve that is screwed into the outlet side of the regulator? I have the KN-792G regulator and need a way to control the flow of gas from the regulator to the generator. Will any propane needle valve work? Also what size of a valve would be needed 3/8" or 1/2". Any ideas would be helpful. My conversion is also on the igen4500DF.
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
Hi, I couldn’t find any sold separately, It’s a 3/8 tee Tapped with fine threads on one side and a bolt that goes in and closes the path of the gas, and a locking nut to keep it from backing out , nothing special probably easy to make, you can probably use a ball valve, after adjusting remove the handle, use a 1/2 hose to supply the gas to the generator from the regulator, 3/8 is too small Good luck
@larrytabor13723 жыл бұрын
This generator started as a duel fuel(Gas/Propane)? Did you need to add the nash inline fuel adaptor, or did you use the Propane port from the original Propane portion of the generator? Why change the propane fitting on the generator? Was that so that you could bleed out the NG supply hose prior to attachment to the generator? Many have said to not convert a propane unit to NG and that it is better to start with a gas unit then add the motor snorkel or nash unit infront of the air filter. Did you do this too?
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
Hi Larry, no Kit was installed I used the original propane intake, I didn’t like the original 3/8 fitting setup some generators have the quick connect from the factory and that’s what I wanted, this is a Option and it does not have to be done, but it makes it easy to Disconnect and change from one fuel to the other. No tools required if I’m not home my wife can easily Figure it out and there’s no way I’m doing it wrong, you can Bleed the air from the house while it’s attached to the generator I never start on gasoline and switch over to something else. The air fuel adjustment is on the Regulator not on the generator so by having two regulators one set up for propane and one for NG just attach the one you want and start. I have more videos on conversation even a IGen gas only to NG and a HF 3500 to NG. Thanks for watching
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
One more thing to change the original fitting to quick connect just unscrew the original fitting slowly I never opened any covers on the generator for this conversation.
@larrytabor13723 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 Some of the bifuel generators(gas/propane) that I looked at, tended to have a ptopane regulator behind the inlet port. If I understand your post, this unit goes from the inlet port directly to the carborator on this westinghouse igen 4500. That is good to know. I have the US carb kit for my Generac XL 5500, and I could use that to deliver NG directly to this generator without buying another motor snorkel. That is good to know. Thank you....
@larryt57002 жыл бұрын
Robert, would you be kind enough to let me know a number or brand or where you got the splitter from leading to the hair dryers from the generator? Much appreciated.
@roberto55372 жыл бұрын
Hi Larry, I think I got it a Ace Hardware, there just RV 30amp splitters, here’s a link to eBay www.ebay.com/itm/RV-Generator-Power-Adapter-30AMP-Male-3-Prong-Plug-to-3x-15-AMP-Female-18IN-cord-/183856610311?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
@larryt57002 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@fritz22593 жыл бұрын
Would it be better just for a three-quarter inch line from the gas meter to the generator?
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
Only if it’s before the low pressure regulator after the regulator a 1/2 if fine just keep it under 15 feet, if you’re going longer than yes 3/4 will be better, keeping in mind that it Reduce down to 1/4” before going to the carburetor
@fritz22593 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 okay thank you I bought the regulator you suggested off Amazon I'll probably run at 20 ft. Thanks again
@bateslabel4 жыл бұрын
Very cool, but is it legal to alter anything without a permit connected to the gas meter? All the lines are pressure tested to ensure safety. I am asking because when I had a gas meter installed, the way it was presented to me was that the gas meter belongs to the gas company.
@cellpro104 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure but I was told that everything on the house side of the gas meter is yours. You can install a cooktop, BBQ or other gas fired devices without any problems, so why not a gas fueled genset? Remove the regulator until you lose power and all they'll see is the stub.
@roberto55374 жыл бұрын
cellpro10 if you going by the book and ask your city they will gladly take your money to inspect a 8” pipe, There not going to pressure test because the piece of pipe you installed is less than what will be required to do the test. Inspectors where I live says if it’s under 10 feet no pressure test is done just a bubble test. most people will not get a permit for a water heater and that’s requires one. if you don’t fill safe working on gas line, electrical or water pipe, call someone to help you, I just made a couple of videos because there was none out there and might help someone, I’m converting a IGen 4500 gasoline only to run also on natural gas, I will post a video it will also be connected to the house with a transfer switch
@User331344 жыл бұрын
What are you running with the generator? I have seen other videos where they hook it into the panel and run the whole house but they have bigger generators 7,8,or 9thousand watt generators but they sound very loud. I'm thinking about getting one and would like to connect it to the panel but I don't want a very loud one. I mainly need it to run my fridge a few lights internet router and tv. I wonder if this westinghouse or your predator 3500 would do the job
@roberto55374 жыл бұрын
Hi, I had a big 8000 watt generator it was very loud can’t run it a night, sold it and got the predator,, I run my whole House with a Predator 3500 I have a video of that one converted to natural gas also and this one in you see in the video does the same, 3000sf house with no AC, The Westinghouse has a bit more power but the Predator will do the job, we both have 2 refrigerators and all LED lights, LED TV we run that and all the small stuff satellite TV box and routers, and one more larger appliance like washing mashing, furnace or coffee pot, and it will be at a 50 to 75% load, don’t start the generator under load, start the generator and then plug in the refrigerator, if you have a smart meter you can run the stuff you’re thinking of running and check to see how many watts it is drawing,, we back feed the electric panel with a transfer box, Only one can be on at a time, generator power or utility power But you have to make a special plug 30 amp 120 volt twist lock for RV plug on one side and short circuit the other side with a 220 30 amp plug have a jumper wire from the two sites red and black that way it will feed both sides. Hope this helps, I might do a video on that
@User331344 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 I did see your other video of you converting the predator to natural gas. I would love to see a video how you have it wired up and it running the whole house. Thanks
@shaun5047 Жыл бұрын
Ok I have to be honest with myself, doing this myself would be above my pay grade. Who exactly would I hire to do a conversation?
@ggimlick4 жыл бұрын
What size thread is on the back of the regulator? I’m connecting to a 1/2” natural gas line and will need to get an adapter.
@roberto55374 жыл бұрын
It’s 3/4 pipe so yes you will need a 3/4 to 1/2 bushing or a bell adapter with a 3/4 nipple Good luck
@ggimlick4 жыл бұрын
Robert O Thanks for the quick reply, I’ve got one ordered now. Thanks again.
@GoldshackGarage2 жыл бұрын
The Champion 100155 should work on any generator for the conversion? Also, is it critical the way you connected the conversion kit to NG?
@p.andrewwill35232 жыл бұрын
First, thanks to Robert O for the video. I would not have tackled this without his example. Adam, I contacted the regulator manufacturer, Impco technologies, who makes the Garretson KN regulators. Per their techincal support, the regulator is best positioned within 2 feet of the generator (so apparently it is not optimal to place the regulator at the far end of a 3/8" supply hose as Robert O has done, although his approach seems to have worked for him). Given this information, I put quick connects on both ends of my conversion (shunning having to screw in the regulator at the source each time that Robert O used). I used a 1/2" quick connect on the supply side attached to my 1/2" house stub, with a 1/2" hose feeding the 3/4" supply side of the regulator, and then between the regulator and the unit I used a 3/8" quick connect. I found the 100155 kits to have unnecessary parts and were missing a load block (I got the proper type of load block for $18 + shipping from US Carburetion). If I had it to do over again I could have saved $50 from the kit price and just bought the regulator alone on Amazon and pieced together the rest. I have no flimsy hoses, barb fittings or hose clamps in my setup -- nothing but solid flare or npt connections. My setup works great. Now I look forward to the next power outage!
@newsysop2 жыл бұрын
@@p.andrewwill3523 Hi Andrew, Thank you for sharing your setup. Did you attach the Garretson regulator to the generator body? Also, do you mind sharing the exact model number or Amazon link of the Garrtson regulator? BTW, was the supply side of the Garrtson regulater 3/4"? Maybe a typo of 3/8"? Thank you for your time in advance.
@p.andrewwill35232 жыл бұрын
@@newsysop Yes, the supply side of the Garretson is 3/4", not 3/8". Also, see this link for my setup and detailed parts list. drive.google.com/drive/folders/1_JaOwkugJYwtpVpv5rRHaOwAV5cwgKd1?usp=sharing
@newsysop2 жыл бұрын
@@p.andrewwill3523 Thank you so much for the pictures, video and parts information. Really helpful. Thanks!!!!
@alitavakolian8574 Жыл бұрын
@@p.andrewwill3523 can you please share any pictures you may have? Thanks
@19nixon894 жыл бұрын
On the genterator because it is DF did you have to do anything special other then change out the connection?
@roberto55374 жыл бұрын
Devin O'Dow nothing was done to the generator no adjustments, except the quick connection and that is optional, you can keep it stock and will work fine. I think 12 feet away is max for the 3/8 line Hope this helps
@cellpro104 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 Robert, big fan here, I set up my Predator 3500 from your video about that genset. Just for info only, I'm running 18' of 3/8" air hose from the regulator on the natural gas meter plumbing and have 3KW full power. Your original tip about the Parker brand quick connect fittings is probably the reason. I discovered that those fittings are used on pressure washer lines, therefore the lack of internal valving and obstructions. They are available for about 1/2 the Parker price from Lowe's and Home Depot and seem to work fine. I first tried regular air line quick fittings, but dropped about 20% in power due to the restricted flow. My propane hookup also gets the same 3KW output @ 4.5 turns out on the Load Block. Natural gas is at 6 turns for my gear. Thanks again, keep up the amazing work, you've saved us a lot of experimenting and frustration.
@roberto55374 жыл бұрын
cellpro10 thanks for the information, I’m waiting on some parts for a igen4500 gas only to convert to NG and the meter is 15’ away so I wasn’t sure if it would work so I got a 1/2 hose, now I know the 3/8 will work, i don’t see a loss of power with these kits. Thanks again
@Hundert14 жыл бұрын
So the main reason you convert to natural gas capable is to run it from your house supply? Is natural gas cheaper, safer or more efficient or more powerful of a fuel than propane because I'm thinking maybe I should fill my RV propane tanks with the natural gas? Thanks for caring and sharing 👍🏼👍🏼
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
Natural gas is about 1/3 the price of gasoline or propane it doesn’t have any more power maybe a bit less, endless supply and price was the main reason, We lost power 2 times for 3 day in one month used over $120 of propane the first time every one was getting per filled propane for cooking on the BBQ, couldn’t refill your bottles because gas stations had no power and couldn’t get gasoline either, had to drive 20 miles and long lines. with Natural Gas you don’t have to have 3 or 4 full bottles or propane around just in case it happens again, never heard of the natural gas ever been turned off in stormy weather. Second time 3 days we used NG no stress on running out and running 24/7, on propane we turn off at night
@andyortlieb37683 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 I've had some neighbors lose natural gas due to uprooted trees! That's why I think it's great to see a unit with so many options.
@ggimlick4 жыл бұрын
Question - Troubleshooting actually. I got everything connected for my iGen4500DF, but it won't handle any load at all. On propane I can load it up and it purrs along at 3500 watts, but a hairdryer alone on natural gas dropped the voltage into the 50's and the engine never made any attempt to ramp up to compensate for the load. I'm connected directly to a 1/2 gas line, then the rubber hose from the regulator is connected to an extension via quick disconnect and 10' hose. It starts, but no amount of adjusting on the load block makes any difference. I have to be about 8 turns out to run and leaning it at all just kills it. I suspect a fuel problem, but don't have a way to bypass the extension hose right now. I've ordered a shorter hose with flares on each end and will attach that way eliminating the quick disconnect to see if that's the issue. I emailed Nash, but no reply yet.
@ggimlick4 жыл бұрын
@claude Thanks, but the pressure is good, I just had a new gas pack installed and when they put the tap for the generator in at the same time, they pressure checked all the outlets.
@ggimlick4 жыл бұрын
I think the problem is mostly solved now. I removed the quick disconnects and extension hose and replaced it with 3/8 hose and flare fittings on each end. Once I did that, I was able to run the genny up to just past half load and it held okay. If I try to go to 3000 watts, it drops voltage and eventually goes into overload shutdown. A test run today with the load block screw almost all the way out and the new flared 8' line, it powered the house (no AC or Heat) The goal was to be able to keep both refrigerators going along with modems, lights, and one portable AC unit "just in case" It handled those just fine. So apparently the problem was a gas restriction in the disconnects and extension.
@ggimlick4 жыл бұрын
@claude Yeah, I knew it would be less power on NG, but I was a bit surprised that it was that much different. The test run shows it will do what I needed it to do though with the lockout on the house. hopefully the hurricanes all pass NC and I'll never have to depend on it ;-) Never did hear back from Nash after I called and he asked for photos of the setup.
@roberto55374 жыл бұрын
A 1/2 inlet gas line is small especially if it’s far away from the gas meter, and from the regulator the quick connector after the regulator can’t have any restrictions like air line fittings, it needs to be gas line quick Connector like for a BBQ or a Pressure washer, I can get 3500 continuous watts from the Igen4500 and 3000 watts from HF predator on NG, with a 3/4 gas supply line and a 3/8 8ft or 1/2 12ft from the regulator to the generator. I also have a Video on a Igen4500 gas only convention to NG with load test Hope this helps, thanks for watching
@ggimlick4 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 The half inch line comes off a 3/4” line about six inches from the meter. The extension was a gas line for a propane grill with the quick disconnects that came with it. When I replaced it with a 3/8 line and flare fittings, the generator runs and ramps up under load, but I’m still only getting about 2400 watts. I called Nash and he had me send photos, but I haven’t heard a word back. Tempted to just return it.
@roush2win3 жыл бұрын
Hello, I copied your conversion. I knew there was gonna be a power drop using NG, I am only able to get a max of 20AMPs before the voltage starts to drop. I am wondering if im starving the generator. You didnt specify what the ID of the Hose was I assumed it was 3/8" like the fittings thats what I purchased. was thinking of increasing to 1/2" ID to try. What did you use in the vid? Thank you
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
Hi, 3/8 hose is only good for about 8 feet, use the 1/2 BBQ hose only get The length that you need and make sure you use the correct quick connect, don’t use air hose quick connect, the voltage will drop just as long your at 110 or over volts you should be good.
@roush2win3 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 Hello. I will give that a try. Im using the same disconnects as in your vid from Amazon. Thank you for your reply.
@roush2win3 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 Hi Robert. I switched hoses went from 12FT 3/8 ID to 10FT 1/2 ID. It did help went from 19.50 Amps to 24.97 Amps 111Volts you think it is possible to get more? I know the internal lines are smaller plumbed for propane might not flow. That power is enough for what I need, powering a six circuit transfer switch on to my home but if I can get more would be better. Thanks for your help.
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
Hi, I got 31 amps 3500watts @112 volts out of a 4500 gas only that I converted with the US carburetor kit can’t get much more , you can buy only the snorkel part, but the auto choke won’t work on gasoline, if you’re not going to use it on propane anymore I would probably make the inside hose bigger and even drill out were it goes into the carburetor, I didn’t take it apart so I don’t know how it’s feeds the NG, I have a video on the one that I did WH 4500 gas only to NG with load test. I’m a HVAC tech that just likes to tinker with stuff and did my HF predator to NG and help a few friends and decided to do a video, I think the HF has 60K views
@roush2win3 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 Hello Robert im gonna leave it as it is the extra 5 Amps was a big help. Thank you for all your help. For your information I did a Temp test, I ran 25 amps for 30 min on Gas and on Natural Gas, I put my IR Temp Probe on the exhaust pipe ( I have a 1" x 15ft steel braided exhaust pipe running out of a Gen sound box i built) Gas temp was at 330 degree NG was 300.
@sweetums414 жыл бұрын
Have you had any throttle or starting issues with yours?
@roberto55374 жыл бұрын
No, but I only run it on natural gas now. it cleaner than gasoline or propane.
@chalemi4 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 First time I've ever heard of NG being cleaner than propane. Not sure about that. Great video however. Something I will think about.
@robertfriele24173 жыл бұрын
I'm very surprised that nothing had to be done to the generator. To convert a propane BBQ to natural gas (if supported) requires changing the gas orifice to a larger one. Any idea why nothing required here?
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
On a tri-fuel factory generator the only thing that changes is the regulator. It has two settings a lever that you switch for LPG Or NG on this setup we have two regulators one factory set up for LPG and the one we installed setup and adjusted for NG There on demand regulators propane or NG will only flow if the generator has a vacuum there is no office like a cooktop to change it’s just a hole on the side of the carburetor, never had one that didn’t work. I also did the igen 4500 gas only to NG there is a video on it. And a harbor fright 3500 inventor generator, It just works
@stifflerjj4 Жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 I have natural gas tap inside my garage for possible natural gas generator indoor BBQ Grill that's already plugged into the garage with a cap on it can I attached directly to that or do I have to go off the meter like you did another word is there different pressures from where you tapped off or for someone like me that already has a tap in the garage coming from a t fitting off the furnace connection
@CruisePlannersCooley3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! When you changed out the factory propane fitting on the front, did you have to remove the face plate or does it just unscrew?
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
Just unscrew slowly Thanks for watching
@dougaegerter20792 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 Do you have an amazon p/n for the fitting?
@roberto55372 жыл бұрын
@@dougaegerter2079 I think you need something like this, it wasn’t my generator and was a long time ago, You also need a 3/8 pipe nipple to go from the generator to the adapter. Get a 1/2 BBQ natural gas hose kit with the Quick disconnect the length you need it will have just about everything you need and get everything else at Home Depot www.amazon.com/Industrial-Fitting-Reducer-Adapter-Female/dp/B07XBPWSD8/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?crid=MII5BP5BNSJ8&keywords=1%2F2+male+to+3%2F8+female+adapter&qid=1643588332&sprefix=1%2F2+ma%2Caps%2C163&sr=8-10
@dougaegerter20792 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 The output from the Nash Regulator is 3/8", the input is 3/4". Why would a 1/2" BBQ gas line be required instead of a 3/8" BBQ gas line? Also in your video, you state that you need a 1/4" to 3/8" adaptor for the generator when you swap out the factory fitting. What am I missing regarding the instructions?
@roberto55372 жыл бұрын
@@dougaegerter2079 3/8 hose is good for only about 6 feet if you go longer the output on the generator will be reduced, 1/2 hose is good for about 12 to 14 feet, the generator fitting might be 1/4 it’s been a long time, the best way is to get the Nash kit and the 1/2 BBQ hose with the quick connector remove the original generator fitting and take it the a hardware store and let them help you getting the adapters to make it work. If you look at the other igen video it has a 3/4 Quick adapter for the 3/4” side it’s easy to use but more money I don’t have how much you want to invest, if I had the generator I would help you more, but I think the hardware store is the best thing for getting the adapter fittings to make it work you might spend $20 more then Amazon but you know it’s correct and take the original fitting so they know how long to make the nipple that goes in the generator. I have done only 5 conversations and they have all been different generator. They all worked, I’m a HVAC connector so I had fittings to use and it’s hard to give someone Amazon or eBay part numbers Hope this helps,
@pamil19233 жыл бұрын
So, basically the conversion is just changing regulators?
@roberto55373 жыл бұрын
Yes, and a bigger size hose like 3/8 for up to 8ft away, and 1/2” for longer.
@Twurzi122 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 I bought a Firman Duel Fuel from Costco recently. It appears to have a 1/4 quick connect installed for the propane. the gas grill hose has a larger quick connect fitting. I believe it is a 3/8 line. You mention a 1/4 to 3/8 adapter. Can you provide a link. I see fitting adapters but i would think there should be a quick connect adapter.
@roberto55372 жыл бұрын
@@Twurzi12 Hi Tom, I don’t know what adapter will work on your generator the adapter is just a brass fitting the best way is to remove yours and take it to a hardware store and tell them that you need to make this new quick connector replace the one you removed, it should be standard pipe thread, I haven’t done any more since the videos, I’m a HVAC technician that likes to make things work.
@Twurzi122 жыл бұрын
@@roberto5537 thanks for responding. I really appreciate your making the videos. I think I found the adapter I need on amazon. The bbq hose has one side with a quick connect and the other side pipe thread. I think I found an adapter from the pipe thread to the smaller propane quick connect.
@patrickjohnson78012 жыл бұрын
Don't think you need a second pressure regulator, your already on the house regulator. I have a BBQ and a portable water heater for filling up the spa and just run off the house regulator, On the bbq I remove the regulator for propane and drilled out the orfuss. Might get more power with more gas
@dbrewsky65893 жыл бұрын
Controlling the gas with a single barrier is a against API “American Petroleum Institute” standards. We call that’s “throttling the valve”. That’s federal buddy. Be careful.