This is true.

this guy

Lmao😁

b stan - grandfathers, like most old soldiers, have faded memories and an inordinate capacity for bullshitting the young uns ... the point of the video is that the 'ping' is bullshit - if the bad guys are close enough to detect a metallic ping in the heat and noise and confusion of battle, you might as well go home because you're up against some kind of superman with the hearing ability of a bat...

@@alexanderh.5814 Well, my grandfather used to say that after firing the Garand for five rounds, the Germans would charge his squad thinking they had five round capacity bolt actions just for them only to be cut down by the extra three rounds the Garands had in reserve. Multiple things wrong with my grandfather's statement, however: 1.) My grandfather was only ever deployed after Operation Husky, and the Germans had been well aware of the Garand's capabilities long before even then as the rifle had been in production and use since the early fucking thirties and virtually every ground unit had a fuckload of Garands. The Germans were more than aware of them and had been developing their own prototype semiauto rifle before the war had even broken out, but Hitler put a pin in their production because it was easier and cheaper to produce a ton of k98's instead. 2.) There's no way the Germans could distinguish how many shots had been fired exactly from a squad of twelve guys with Garands that had been firing intermittently at them on a loud ass battlefield. It's pretty much impossible. 3.) Even if they could somehow pick out one guy firing just five rounds, for the Germans to charge the Americans at this point would be suicidal considering how that one guy is not alone. He's a part of a full squad that can cover him while he's reloading. It would be a profoundly fucking stupid thing to do. Even if that one guy _were_ alone, it's pretty easy and quick to reload a Garand in time to shoot down whichever mouthbreather decided to charge him. 4.) My grandfather had only ever fired an 03 springfield in basic and an M1 Carbine which he was issued in the Army Air Corps as a bomb loader and had only heard the rumor in question from "some guy" he'd met who'd also heard the rumor from "some guy" he'd met. 5.) My grandfather suffered from memory loss before he passed away. 6.) As much as I loved my grandfather, he was full of shit. And so is yours.

Or you can ping a empty clip off your helmet and trick the other guy into exposing himself.

among the sound of machine guns, tanks and all the other crap going on your paying more attention to you vision and what's in front of you than the sounds...

Copper Hamster it’s the dumbest myth of the m1 and people and historians to this day talk about it as a fact. I heard a WW2 vet say that it’s completely untrue and whoever made up that story clearly has never been in combat

johnLA1961 that’s also a myth. They never did that

@@johnLA1961 yeah except you got everyone else shooting. nobody will be so stupid to stick their head up

I would trust drinking dumpster juice then listen to most of the garbage these soup sandwiches spit out. Also I'm a army veteran as well. 31st bde and 69th. Iraq and Kuwait deployments. Thanks for your service.

I can’t imagine that in a fire fight with adrenaline pumping and trying not to die that the ping will be noticed by the other guy trying not to die. Thank you for your service

Rookie here from Britain! I have a question for you! I'm not a veteran but could you enlightened is with a few answers? 1) how many men were In a US squad? 2.) What regiment or division were you in? (Airborne, Marines, rangers?). 3.) I heard the least ammo load you carried as minimum was 96 rounds? (12x8=96 rnds) Is this true? 4.) How heavy was the minimum overall you carried? (Bergen/Backpack) Sorry for asking questions never met a US veteran before. Thank you for helping so many poeple god bless you.

@@andrewdodds3007 slot of things change based on the mission but for my unit we had 5-7 people per squad and 4 squads made our platoon. Next up is battery which can have 2 or more platoons. You can Google all this stuff as its public knowledge.

Truer words are rarely spoken, thank you for serving!

don't forget that GIs learned to carry empty clips to toss for the clang and the reload is very fast

It doesn’t make the ping sound, he pointed that out in the beginning. The only clanging you hear is the half loaded clip hitting crap on its way to the floor...

Cullen Seago it does, it’s just barely audible over the rapport to the point that it would offer no advantage to the enemy. It’s hard to hear on the range, let alone under the duress of combat.

You can't hear that thing at the ground when you have a 20k people around you

@@davidcarson7855 Considering the following communts under yours I think we can rest easy knowing its probably a rumor. Trust me, with all the firing of rifles and machine guns, artillery, tanks etc. You won't be focusing on one little ping that gets mixed into all the crap. Furthermore firefights happen at what? 100 - 300 meters a lot of the time? Unless you're right next to them and even then they'd likely not hear you.

uncletigger p

Unlawful Waffle sarcastic topping off.

Unlawful Waffle As an American, I can agree.

Mate, sarcasm has been called the lowest form of wit; we prefer irony! I think we invented it along with the Magna Carta, the left-handed hammer, and spoons. Mustn’t forget spoons! 😈🇬🇧

But Everyone knows that lol

They actually know each other and made a few videos together on that same range. :D

I saw you in comments on Sorenova's video! Clearly we share good cultural tastes. 😎

yes, its a cultural thing

@@davecrupel2817 Sorenova is a god amongst men.

Wait.... You can't do those things with an M1 Garand! 😀

Don't forget the tank platoon or TAC Air support backing up the assault.

I think you’re right but I’ve heard some people would keep an empty case in their pocket. Then when people are ducking in and out of foxholes. You could fire one round off and throw the empty clip on your barrel or on something hard in front of you with your left hand, but so you could get your hand back on the hand guard quickly. Then when someone popped back up you’d be pointing straight at them

Plus the other guys wouldnt be reloading ALL AT ONCE so they knew better

Ignoring the fact that the average engagement range in ww2 was 200-300m, so even if your enemy was usain bolt there's no way they could close in on and kill you before you've reloaded and filled them with holes.

Yea like there a Mg42 blasting near you but you can hear a ping

Still, nobody wants to be the guy getting shot.

"I want all prisoners back at Battalion alive".

Dick Winters to Joseph Liebgott :)

Cmon krout boys

@@doughesson That's the point.

Only 3, you need a few more. ;-) You have to have 4 to have one from each US maker for the Gov't. Then you find out they get lonely and need mates. Then you find out they want big and baby brothers.

My dad was a US Marine in WW II and assured me it was his favorite rifle, though on discharge he and a buddy highgraded a Springfield '03 out of the corps.

D

Honestly ive never tried to top off a clip while in the magazine. But cool to see that it can be done. I love my Garand as well. I'd like to own a few more but other projects are are higher on the list so i'm happy enough with my one Garand.. for now.

I do not know much about firearms. The ping sound hurts my ears... I did not know that you could reload it so quick. But... It seems to me, that the solo murder run, is mostly a game and fiction thing? Unless you are a legendary sniper class who goes around in the the Finnish winter, murdering a bunch of people naturally. Hearing about the ping for the first time not long ago, I did find it strange that a ping would be a massive problem.

That my friend is sarcasm something Brits are good at.

I didn't because I was taught how to properly load and unload my weapon and if you've ever seen that bolt close you know you don't ever want to experience it .......

Never has happened to me, never will. My M1 is a 1944 production rifle. "Everybody does it" is bullshit that clumsy gits use to cover their own embarrassment.

Never cut yourself with a knife, never hit yourself with a hammer, never pinched or burned yourself on a gun. Only way that happens is if you never pick one of them up or your wife does it for you.

David, it's adorable that you just posted a lot of things as if someone claimed all that applied to them. Try not to hurt yourself today.

@Walt Schmidt I agree. I fired the M1 plenty and never got a M1 thumb. You just have to stay awake.

I just assumed he was being clever. :)

+Bloke on the Range I get it.

Tha is because he is awake and aware, and you are delusional.

Sorry.

Forbes Hutton 😄

He was actually Quebecois, so technically you'd pronounce it in French. I don't know how to actually do that in text though...

Being American is not so much about where you were born, but rather a state of mind.

Yeah but it's typical in America a second generation child hangs on to his/her parent's culture. It isn't until third or fourth generation where people just call themselves "American."

The commercial ammo is a myth for it is partially correct for I though. Just don't use over 180g hunting rounds. Yet, it won't bend the op rod. It'll likely crack the stock before an oprod failure would happen

I imagine a lot of the myths like these start from Call of Duty players and gun hobbyists intermingling and talking to each other.

Patton.

@@funkyalfonso Screw flag officers. They are credit-hogging politicians

That would be an entrenching tool.

He also said "Negros aren't capable of operating machinery", but then had to recant when all-Black tank corps performed brilliantly!

SwordBreaker925 yeah except the m14 was a failure. They literally took 30 years to develop something worse when they could have just put a detachable magazine on an M1. I mean garand, not carbine or that weird thing in between the garand and the m14.

@@cullenseago1519 The M14 was by no means a failure. They had a BAR magazine fed Garand design called the T20E2 ready to go had we invaded Japan, but that never happened so it never passed prototype phase. After the Korean War the US military adopted the much lighter 7.62x51 NATO, so instead of modifying a bunch of older, heavier Garands, they developed the M14 for 7.62 NATO. The M14 is still used today as the Mk14 EBR in a DMR role.

NWA744 the m14 is a massive failure, it’s action was somehow worse than the garlands, the accuracy was terrible, the weapon system was the least desired of the entire services and had a super short life span as an actual service weapon. The magazine fed garand had several prototypes and most would have been better than an m14. Not to mention the terrible reload, it’s easily one of the worst weapons to reload and it’s quite a bit heavy for a battle rifle. Modern m14s and the EKBR are as close to original m14 as they are to garands. Modern m14s actually have better manufacturing systems and are way better made, secondly the EKBR might as well be considered an entirely different gun considering the only thing it shares is caliber and name. The EKBR has a free floated barrel, a lighter composite stock and hand guard, an entirely improved barrel and sight system, even the action has been improved and modified. I used a modern modified m14 that the marine corps uses for their designated marksmen and I have gotten to handle and shoot and original (with full auto selector) m14 and it’s a huge difference. We might as well call modern variants m14 styled.

@@cullenseago1519 The M14's short service span isn't because it was supposedly so terrible, but due to a change in infantry doctrine. The M16 was already well on its way before the M14 even saw combat for the first time. Also, Mk14 EBRs are built from existing M14 barreled actions and are not modern reproductions.

@@NWA744 The M16 was sabotaged by the army because real man shoot 30.-06 and not some pisky 5,56mm cartridge. The M14 was horribly outdated for the time it was introduced. The US also screwed NATO, when they insisted on the the introduction of the 7,62mm cartridge but didnt adopt the FN FAL, which is in almost every way a better battlerifle than the M14. Was the M1 a great rifle? Sure it was! The M14 definatly wasnt, the US failed to realize how doctrines had changed after WW2 and learned a bitter lesson in the early years of jungle warfare in Vietnam

I'm sure there are many Americans who know exactly what a Garand is capable of. It's almost more embarrassing that you thunk there aren't, or that we need a brit to tell us...

Yeah he's a real combat guy. Probably a SAS vet.

Just say brit m8

Ughh calling em briton...

But yea i completely agree

It's a spring clip, otherwise: Yup.

You fire 8 rds. with a M-1 and you're lucky to hear the ping your self. USMC over 50 yrs. ago.

Absolutely right Bob b.

Erik Granqvist En-Bloc clip fixed that for ya.

It'd be a miracle if you can even hear the ping from those 8 rounds being fired and the worry you have from having said 8 rounds being fired at you.

Is it still in its gas trap configuration?

Brennan Bennett Did you buy one?

did you buy one?

Did you buy one?

here is a really nice vid about the Garand, its AMERICAN maker and how HE pronounced its name. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7yjpKeprdfIoYE.html watch this and you will buy.

Did you buy one?

CK's channel. i do not know how u did that could you show me that party trick

Not a big deal, your more likely and more painfully going to be called a peasant.

I had a backpack plastic buckle thumb.

We did 240 b and M2 and Now the M110 so yeah. The whole i wish thing is a running joke till you have to carry the extra weight and less ammo capacity .

William Bridgeman the M16 didn’t actually have all the rumored issues and problems.

Greetings, William Bridgeman; I went thru 'Basic' on an M-1 back in '63. Qualified 'Expert'. I was just a scrawny 18 yr old, but I never considered my M-1 as being "heavy"; I just accepted it for what it was. I liked mine a lot! Then it was Knox for Armor AIT, then Germany. When I got there, I was issued an M-14. 'Meh'... we never bonded at all. Then I got my tank (M-60A1) my 1911, and a few heavier weapons. Now fast-fwd to today. I just received my second ever M-1 today, a 1944! Man, that thing sure does bring back some memories. I checked it over, racked the bolt back, scoped the bore, then closed it just the way I'd been trained to do! "M-1 thumb"? Nope, I never gave it a second thought! There are some things we never forget, and that's one of them! Next week we'll be at the range, and I'll see if I can still hit anything! Prosit!

@@sportsterlad My dad was a driver of m48s. We was drafted a couple years before you. He hated shooting the m14 but loved the m3 submachine gun.

partriarch ouuuucchh. I play classical guitar, I can't be having my thumbnail coming clean off. That's a bit disconcerting.

After showing my dad (USMC 1954 to 1960) my Springfield M1 that I had been testing out on our land he asked smiling "How's your thumb?" I pulled my hand from my pocket to reveal my gauze covered thumb. He laughed. A lot. Then said "Well, your not a virgin anymore" Yes, Dad. Point taken.

While actuslly loading or messing with an empty action?

A certain korean war vet who works with my grandfather would remark about getting it in the cold of winter

Fingers crossed. Never got Garand thumb!

Bloke on the Range do you know him personally?

Bloke on the Range ah okay you look just like him yknow

It's not so much he looks like him, it's he presents a little like him. Maybe it's because of his accent, he too talks correctly and you tend to listen closer. It's also a joy to hear people talk the language how it's meant to be spoken. Accents make English sound like a local brass band playing Beethoven, Americans bastardising it sound like a school band and Australian is like a kid playing with a glockenspiel, it's how the BBC should sound. It could be the subtle sarcasm though, both he and Nick make you double think. Anyway seems like a nice bloke, just found him and I'll sub him, that's 4 subs who talk correctly, if I save them up I could have an entire evening of 1970's BBC2. I'll watch through cling film and glue an empty bean can to the side of my iPad, I might even have a fondoo.

I was starting to think the same, but I prefer this guy over him for now.

JonatasMonte they're not really comparable tho. one deals with swords, bows and the like while the other talks about guns. I like em both.

If you listen to this vet's account of the ping issue at 12 min 15 sec's you might change your mind kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrqTnphjq8DOaYU.html

Bidimus1 they might have had a bayonet attached but the U.S. also had a unique factor. They issued a backup pistol to all service members. It’s suggested and in some cases claimed that more often than not U.S. Service members would use a pistol in very close combat.

Cullen Seago handguns were issued to all Officers, members of crew served weapons teams, M .P.s, vehicle commanders, vessel commanders... the Great # of weapons needed,+ extra training required, led to the development and adoption of the M-1 carbine and M-3 S.M.G. of course, every body wanted a pistol and would go to great lengths to acquire one. in combat, people quickly found they were better served by carrying 2 grenades, same weight, same space but much more effective.

"Nothing, dear: You're not qualified!" Love those python boys. :)

This is only 3 years late but whatever. But when your ears start ringing (for the average person) with a sound of 140 dB. A gunshot is between 140-160 dB. Let’s just take 145 dB as our gunshot. Now if you are 50 meters away from said gunshot, the dB level will be 111 dBs, under the point at which your ears will be ringing. You would probably be able to hear the “ping” from 50 meters away. (Depending on the person) I’m not saying that is a serious drawback but it’s unlikely for your ears to be ringing in any serious regard beyond 50 meters.

@@MrCoolguy425 the only issue with your example is that in combat either you or your comrades are going to be shooting too.

MellowFellowOfYellow this is about the gun, not particularly tactics. Including multiple people you would have to include squad weapons and tactics.

+Dietzeeeee Unless your hulk himself, you wouldn't carry 10 fully loaded mags on top of your flak vest and chest rig which aren't light

you are correct sir. soldiers do carry around 20 to 30 round magazines. However they are carrying ammo that is ineffective against even mediocre cover and the ballistics coefficient is far inferior to that of the 30.06 or even the British 303. The 7.62 NATO isn't a bad round and is quite effective in combat and a lot of the effectiveness of any weapon in combat boils down to training. As a combat veteran I will point out that during the time the M1 was in use the kill ratio was 20,000 to 30,000 rounds fired per kill in battlefield conditions. The kill ratio for modern battle field rifles is 200,000 to 300,000 rounds fired per kill. These are military stats from the u.s. military. I don't know the stats for the uk but I would guess they are pretty close to the same considering the also use the 5.56mm cartridge. I personally carried an M14 chambered in .308 rather than the M4. This was by my choice. I can honestly say that the added weight was a very small price to pay for the effectiveness of the weapon in combat. I own an M1 garand and if I had to take it into battle today I would not be disappointed or in anyway outmatched. With the possible exception of capacity but that is only a possibility and not necessarily a fact.

+Ripvnwinkle well put. I have always wondered if they will eventually try to Switch to a round like 6.8 spc or if the 5.56 is here to stay for the next 30 plus years.

+Dietzeeeee I have also wondered why we have stuck with this round, considering the fact that there are better options available. It seems as if since the development of the AR platform all innovation and progress on weapons development has ceased to exist. I have heard people say that the AK is a peasants weapon and is good for troops with inferior or no training. I think it's just the opposite. I think the AR platform is more suited to low training standards than the AK. The main selling point for the AR is the reduced recoil and ease of use. I liken fire an AR to that of a .22 cal. rifle that I used to hunt squirrels with when I was 11 years old. Almost anyone can put rounds down range with Re let I've accuracy and speed if they don't have to deal with recoil. However putting rounds down range with speed and accuracy dealing with the recoil of a 7.62 mm takes training and a level of endurance. In my opinion the AR platform was one of the worst things to happen to western gun design. But that's just my opinion.

+Dietzeeeee I have also wondered why we have stuck with this round, considering the fact that there are better options available. It seems as if since the development of the AR platform all innovation and progress on weapons development has ceased to exist. I have heard people say that the AK is a peasants weapon and is good for troops with inferior or no training. I think it's just the opposite. I think the AR platform is more suited to low training standards than the AK. The main selling point for the AR is the reduced recoil and ease of use. I liken fire an AR to that of a .22 cal. rifle that I used to hunt squirrels with when I was 11 years old. Almost anyone can put rounds down range with Re let I've accuracy and speed if they don't have to deal with recoil. However putting rounds down range with speed and accuracy dealing with the recoil of a 7.62 mm takes training and a level of endurance. In my opinion the AR platform was one of the worst things to happen to western gun design. But that's just my opinion.

Why cause yourself undue stress? Get one of each and you'll be happy!

I'm actually curious given the Lee Enfield No4 Mk1s ridiculously smooth bolt action and it's reputation for the speed you can fire a round hypothetically could you operate it at the speed of an M1 Garands fire rate?

@Christian Morgan I know it's a silly question to begin with but I just thought I would ask.

Screw flag officers. They are credit-hogging politicians in uniforms.

@@reidparker1848 good god here you are again.

@@josephwhite6047 "General Kenobi". From where do I know you, Mr White?Clearly it was nothing positive :/

@@reidparker1848 I'm just seeing you raging at any mention of 'Flag Officers' any chance you get.

Turd Furgeson little bit backwards the stg44 was way ahead of its time and the svt and gewehr series struggled with old school concepts like the 43 (despite sporterized versions shown in games) is almost as long as the carbine k98k!!!

But how is it a flaw in a platoon. Even if you platoon gets split up, there should be at least 3 or 4 of you. Along with it's whole 3-5 second block clip reload, it should never be defenseless. Yes, suppression is a real issue, but you would hit it with any weapon, unless you had more rounds and could suppress them. Eventually you all need to reload, and for the time the M1 could put out more rounds a minute than most advanced rifles. Comes down to a flaw in command and coordination or using the wrong tool for the job. Either way, I'd say the ping is negligible in an American mindset.

T Swag i'm going off of what the vets say. In most cases the ping isn't an issue though yes. I'd say if it's just two people it could be an issue if the japanese are in very close proximity.

MonarchTherapsids Inostran the only scenario I can think of that would work for the ping-legends is urban style combat with small squads. Then you can sneak up on a single individual. Wait for the ping. Pop in and shoot one or two guys before promptly buggering off before the rest of the group realizes what happened. And yes. There are a lot of factors that need to coincide before this might be a viable alternative. And I'm not ruling out pure dumb luck on the axis side on some occasions.

You obviously have never been in combat

well its a myth

+ed l Just ride the charging handle up

+ed l Just push the bolt release button on the side of the receiver.

+ed l And that usually happens when people are screwing around during/after cleaning the rifle. It's impossible to get "Garand thumb" when loading the weapon - your freaking ammo is in the way! I've seen a lot more pictures of index fingers smashed than thumbs, someone without the right tools shoving a patch into the chamber and depressing the follower - smack! Get the right tools, follow the recipe, no problems.

Brian Fulmer thank you! I feel that's a myth thats even being sold in this video a bit. Troops never used the back blades of their hands to keep the bolt back and you can't get your thumb into a magazine that's full of ammo.

*Brian Fulmer:* Um, the bolt certainly _can_ close when the rifle is loaded; it wouldn't be any good otherwise! *MadMetalManiac74:* I can't attest to what troops did or did not do; I _can,_ however, look up the manuals, and the 1940 field manual and the CMP manual both say you should load the rifle the way Bloke did.

I'd say that's an accurate description

No because lindybeige is wrong more than hes right.

the Garand is easier to field stripe and reassemble than the other rifles I used in the Marines.

Fay Ryuujin Here you go www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=the+greatest+battle+implement+ever+devised.%EF%BB%BF About 57,800 results Not TV

Then they lose in Vietnam. "Unconquerable veterans" indeed lol

DaUsher who loses in Vietnam?

That's because he never had an AK.

The Stg 44 was the greatest

At times they will resonate enough to make a 'iiinnng' noise while in mid-air.

The ping comes from the magazine follower kicking the clip out of the rifle, not from hitting "a rock or something" outside of the rifle.