What are "muscle knots"? (for massage therapists and clients)

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Massage Sloth

Massage Sloth

8 жыл бұрын

So your massage therapist told you that you have "knots," or maybe "the most knots I've ever felt!" What is a knot, and what can you do to get rid of them? Well, I've got good news: There is no medical phenomenon known as a "muscle knot." Your muscles don't get knotted up or clumped together when you get stressed, and there are no balls of messed up tissue within your muscle.
So... what is your massage therapist talking about? As I say in the video (0:55), they're probably just talking about tight postural muscles, usually in trapezius, rhomboids, and the spinal erectors. These are naturally very lumpy muscles-in high-tension situations, they can feel quite bumpy, especially where they overlap. If you don't know your anatomy (your massage therapist should, by the way), it could be easy to mistake this for a problem.
Another likely "not-knot" are the many bits of your anatomy that are difficult to identify (4:24), such as the tendon of levator scapulae, the inferolateral border of trapezius, and the many ridges and folds of perfectly healthy muscle. If you've been told that you have knots in your upper back, it's very likely that your massage therapist was just unaware of what they were feeling under their hands.
It's possible that your massage therapist was talking about myofascial trigger points (3:00), a phenomenon with mixed scientific evidence. Here's the theory: You've got taut bands in your muscles that tend to have isolated areas of contraction within them. These can refer pain elsewhere, following predictable patterns. While the referral of pain from one area to another seems to be reliable (if poorly understood), the palpability of trigger points is in question. See this study for an example: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19... , and this article by Paul Ingraham for a comprehensive write-up: www.painscience.com/articles/...
If your massage therapist told you that you have knots, it's likely that they're just using the language and interaction style modeled for them by teachers and colleagues. Those people were mistaken too. Please feel free to let those knots go. If you've got muscle tension that's giving you trouble, that can and will change over time, especially if you make some changes.
To the massage therapists in the crowd, I'd love to hear your thoughts. If you used to tell clients about their knots (I know I did), what made you change your mind? Have you found other language that's more useful, and that creates less stigma? Let's talk about it!
What does your massage therapist mean by "knots"?
0:55 1. Tight posture muscles.
3:00 2. Trigger points
4:24 3. Mistaken anatomical identity
4:57 What should you do about your "knots"?
The "not-knots":
5:27 The superior angle of the scapula
7:00 Inferolateral trapezius
7:53 Aponeurosis medial to the spine of the scapula
8:30 Infraspinatus
8:58 The "back mouse"
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@hollywhite7449
@hollywhite7449 7 жыл бұрын
I really appreciated this video. When clients ask about knots, I always explain that nothing is "knotted," it's contracted muscle tissue, like when you intentionally flex your bicep, that can occur from repeated postural or movement patterns. It's only now occurring to me, that for everyone who asks, there are probably 30 who don't ask. Thank you!
@raissaliann
@raissaliann 7 жыл бұрын
I am just studying to be a remedial therapist and I must admit I have been riding the wave of "muscle knots" as clients seem to love it. Thank you for educating me so that I work on being true to the task at hand.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 жыл бұрын
It is something that seems to resonate with clients ("so that's why I'm in pain!"), which makes it even more important for us to avoid giving them this easy answer. The real causes of pain and dysfunction are harder to discuss, but they're also less stigmatizing, and can seem much less permanent. Cheers to you for going the extra mile!
@HMMHarwood
@HMMHarwood 8 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with your opinion on the mistaken identities most therapists coin as 'Muscle Knots.' Great video Ian!
@Sunshine-ci6rf
@Sunshine-ci6rf 3 жыл бұрын
Woah so cool to see you on here
@shannanigans1373
@shannanigans1373 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, HM Massage!
@cynthiagreencmt7709
@cynthiagreencmt7709 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Spencer! 👋 good to see you on here 😎
@mattfaure1066
@mattfaure1066 8 жыл бұрын
You're a bloody genius for dispelling this myth. Keep up the good work.
@afrovibes4510
@afrovibes4510 7 жыл бұрын
i love this
@Panchkula007
@Panchkula007 7 жыл бұрын
how do you know ?
@BillyBob-dt8di
@BillyBob-dt8di 7 жыл бұрын
First time I've watched one of these were the person wasn't talking rubbish about 'toxins' and other complete psuedo-scientific nonsense. Well done!
@bharkathhussainasim2686
@bharkathhussainasim2686 7 жыл бұрын
Billy Bob wwwwscc
@aitorjara100
@aitorjara100 5 жыл бұрын
Boring shit
@JackFlash771
@JackFlash771 4 жыл бұрын
Wow this guy gives so much faith in humanity and makes me hopeful I can find a massage therapist like him. Honest to a fault, believes in and adheres to rigorously-researched science, recognizes that practitioners in his field sometimes spread misinformation.
@imknobody
@imknobody 8 жыл бұрын
This needs to be taught to every massage student before they become therapist. Your doing some amazing work sir, I'm grateful to learn from another amazing teacher/therapist/bodyworker
@rodrickgipson2033
@rodrickgipson2033 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! I recently graduated from massage therapy school and I've only been a working in the field for 8 mos. And now i feel like I've learned way more than what my instructor taught. Thank you
@manelkh3706
@manelkh3706 5 жыл бұрын
You're so chill and your explanations are clear and delivered in a very comforting way
@LeeLong
@LeeLong 4 жыл бұрын
This mirrors so much of my conversations with Clients about knots! I really appreciate your take on the subject. Especially the part about trigger points!
@ebonyboyce4739
@ebonyboyce4739 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. I've been a licensed massage therapist for almost three years now and I've unfortunately told my clients they have nots, but I also follow up with letting them know it can be fixed. Again, thank for you sharing this was very educational for me.
@plaguerat33
@plaguerat33 6 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I had no idea massage was such an interesting thing to learn. I watch massage videos to help myself relax so I got here randomly clicking through different videos. Love the focus on proper anatomy and texture. Very cool and helpful.
@tasjanayoung1522
@tasjanayoung1522 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I've been practicing massage since I was a teenager and this has never occurred to me before. I will put this into practice immediately.
@amberlester8352
@amberlester8352 6 жыл бұрын
This is so informative! I am a current student of massage therapy and I feel so stoked to be receiving such fantastic, science based insight.
@Glazefairy
@Glazefairy 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining this. Current therapist doesn't use "knots", but rather "tightness" & practices myofascial release on me, which helps tremendously!
@jenniferhagan6695
@jenniferhagan6695 7 жыл бұрын
i found this to be very helpful. As a therapist, it's so important to remember how our clients view themselves and the things we say! Thanks for the info!
@breannathrasher9374
@breannathrasher9374 8 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this video (and actually all your videos). In school, no one ever helped me understand/debunk the 'knot' theory and this video helped clear up some questions I still had
@anaguerrerosholisticwellbe2788
@anaguerrerosholisticwellbe2788 7 жыл бұрын
this is fantastic! I tell my clients the same 'it's only muscle tightness, nothing to worry about'. I like reassuring them. (client) - oh that hurts, what is it? (me) - it hurts but it doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with you, it's a tinny but very strong tendon. It's tough material so it gets tense easily with over use. Good therapists will care about the mind/emotional state of the client too. Thanks for sharing 😀
@kashiefasalie6557
@kashiefasalie6557 7 жыл бұрын
I like your answer. I wanna learn more from you... such a nice way to put it to a client in pain..
@Rockandrollgeerage
@Rockandrollgeerage 6 жыл бұрын
Solaris Therapeutic Massage - York is it ok to do deep tissue massage on those tight muscles?
@gregthesplintercell
@gregthesplintercell 6 жыл бұрын
Solaris Therapeutic Massage - York I'm going to start telling my clients this.
@Gringo7475
@Gringo7475 6 жыл бұрын
Kashiefa Salie RIGHT!. Tell them that...when you are incapable of ending the pain. How sad for your clients.
@hibiscusangel7376
@hibiscusangel7376 8 жыл бұрын
Thank u! I hear clients all the time at the spots u mentioned. I always tell them it's part of their anatomy --they want me to get rid of knots but I will be using ur way of telling them that it can be changed. Thank u again ! And I usually don't say trigger points around them becuz they would believe they have it and tell other practitioners or even their own doctor
@sharbennappy
@sharbennappy 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I've been following your advice on this for at least two years now and when I explain to clients what is felt in their anatomy as tight (contracted) muscles or sometimes tendons they tend to be so disappointed that I don't use the term knots. Bless their hearts. So many people have a complex because former therapists have reacted in ways that make them feel as though they are an anomaly.
@luciaivanovich9195
@luciaivanovich9195 4 жыл бұрын
God sent, Ian, excellent therapist and superior human being - Thank you! God bless you and everybody you love!
@TheChronicRhythm
@TheChronicRhythm 8 жыл бұрын
deez knots. GOT EM, unfortunately.
@noni828
@noni828 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@FlyBoiQ1
@FlyBoiQ1 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂
@adriana7310
@adriana7310 5 жыл бұрын
best.line.ever. 😂😂😂👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
@Bizzy-Bumble1131
@Bizzy-Bumble1131 4 жыл бұрын
Lol!!
@chamorro81
@chamorro81 4 жыл бұрын
3 year old comment. Still a classic. Have a like.
@peterkleczynski5164
@peterkleczynski5164 8 жыл бұрын
I cannot tell you how much of a relief it is to see this video! I'm a newer massage therapist and since graduating I've becoming increasing suspicious of muscle knots and have been thinking about how to reframe them. It seemed odd to me that EVERYONE SEEMED TO HAVE NINETY PERCENT OF THE SAME KNOTS CURIOUSLY AT POSTURAL MUSCLES! I also had terrible "luck" finding trigger points and in school I wondered if it was a problem with me. I've come to think of postural muscles like knots in ship's rigging, distinct and different from the surrounding "rope" but essential for the body's functioning. It's comforting to see other therapists, especially experienced ones like yourself, having similar ideas! Thanks for the video!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter Kleczynski Right on, Peter, I remember having that same (somewhat bewildering) experience myself. 10 years in and I've still never found a palpable trigger point, or any taut bands that aren't present in all of my other clients' muscles. Now, that may mean that my hands are defective, but I've decided not to worry about it :) I can still accomplish plenty through careful communication. Thanks for the comment!
@hami4211
@hami4211 6 жыл бұрын
Massage Sloth yf
@Gringo7475
@Gringo7475 6 жыл бұрын
Peter, since you are a rookie, I'll take a few moments with you. In School did you study the textbooks of Dr Janet Travell and Dr David Simons. If you were not exposed then your education was inferior. What the producer of the above video referred to as knots are trigger points and are very real, very painfully real to those who have them. Look if it doesn't emit pain signal when palpated it is neither a knot nor is it a trigger point. You are out of class, Peter, but please don't close your mind at the cellar of your education. Study NMT/MFR Trigger Point Therapies: apply yourself, become skilled in the location of and elimination of painful, movement-restrictiing myofascial trigger points and you will soon have a backlog of clients who need your help. Look, for myofascial pain what is one to do?-- An MD injects drugs which actually are destructive of ligaments and other connective tissue; a PT "Stretches and Strengthens" a muscle that is tight and painful because it has been overstretched or overstessed; a DC can't help because , well, frankly, most spinal issues are created initially by formation of trigger points in the erectors.. A skillful, intuitive LMT who (unlike Mr Sloth above) does indeed know that trigger points really are NOT "supposed to be there", that they are causing unnecessary pain in thousands of people as we speak.. Study. Don't settle for being less than you can be.
@deone86
@deone86 5 жыл бұрын
As someone starting massage school soon and having a research background, this is the channel I need. Thank you!!
@DIrizarry07
@DIrizarry07 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I was always hesitant of telling clients they have knots. Usually, they'll just say they do and I'll agree. Now, I'll feel more confident with letting them know they're just tense!
@haribolsiddhadas4595
@haribolsiddhadas4595 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, I have been a working as a LMT for the last seven years and I find your perspectives on your videos reinforces my notions about massage and bodywork. I think you are dispelling some bad wisdom a lot of us have been taught and helping us to trust our gut and stay open about finding ways to do our most helpful work. Thanks so much.
@alysha2mcp
@alysha2mcp 5 жыл бұрын
I have been a licensed massage therapist for about 2 years now, and I am so glad I am hearing another therapist describe "knots" this way. I personally believe "knots" are simply areas where the muscles are "holding on for dear life." When my clients ask me to "remove the knots" I begin to describe the difference between a knot and a trigger point. In my opinion, knots do not feel good to work directly but rather need indirect work to bring space to potentially the many muscles effected. A trigger point on the other hand, has a hurt so good sensation. I also describe the excessive pooling of circulation within a trigger point compared to at times a lack of circulation within a "knot." By giving my clients the understanding between a "knot: a bound section of muscle fibers often caused by over flexion or over stretching, traditionally with less circulation and a 'that hurts sensation', and in need of general to specific work" in comparison to a Trigger Point "a referral area with pooled circulation, often a hurt so good pain with a flushing of circulation sensation" Furthermore and once again, I am so happy someone else is describing this concept and I am further confident in my description and discussion between my clients. Educating the client is one of my favorite part of my jobs, and this concept has truly become miss judged. P.S. I have had more than one therapist hack away at my superior angle of the scapula >.< "wow, you got quite the knot there." "Hmmm," I think. No, try working around the area, check in with my scalenes, levator, pecs etc. @Massage Sloth: I have seen two videos of yours this morning and I subscribed. Thank you.
@maribelcantu6085
@maribelcantu6085 Жыл бұрын
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@EvaLWW
@EvaLWW 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a new LMT (3 months) and the only LMT at my job, so I’m relying a lot on what I learned in school but realizing some of the ways I was taught to communicate with my client doesn’t feel very helpful or useful to them or me. This video is great and has definitely changed how I will communicate moving forward.
@laurahackney7596
@laurahackney7596 5 жыл бұрын
I am glad that I read some of the comments. Because it all seems silly to me. I have been an LMT for 30 years. Tight muscles, muscle knots, muscal tension to me not that big of a deal. Now to say be careful what you say to your clients, that is relevant. And reminding LMT’s to be mindful of what they’re saying To their clients and how their clients might interpret what you’re saying. Is helpful. Especially for the new LMT‘s. But mostly what you’re saying is just common sense. Because I’ve done this work for 30 years a lot of clients I referred to me because they do have problems that need tending to and they’ve already tried many things that either haven’t helped or have only partially helped. They could care less what I call things, they just want to be better. But I do see from the comments below that this information is helpful to newbies or more intellectually wired people.
@Choltschy
@Choltschy 8 жыл бұрын
I've been chasing these points for years of my career, thinking that they are not supposed to be there. Took me close to a decade to figure out through frequent clients i saw weekly that they will never go away, meaning they are like that and not responsible for and not the key to the problems percieved. In the past 5 years i've been calming my clients not to make a big deal of it - these points will be worked on, it'll feel better, but they are not anatomical enemies or villains. Funny to see a fellow therapyst speak out something in a 12 minute video on-line that "i discovered" for myself through trial and error. I say, the mentality of a therapyst has to be constantly open to learn and adapt. Good educational material -> should be generalized and included in the education of new therapysts. Greatings from Spain !
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 жыл бұрын
+Choltschy Thanks so much! By the way, I love this: "they are not anatomical enemies or villains." Awesome.
@lindaearthangel2796
@lindaearthangel2796 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Ian! You are such an amazing teacher!! I learn so much from your videos out of anyone else on KZfaq in the massage arena. Keep on shining and doing what you love. It shows and you are a true inspiration to me as a fellow therapist. :)
@RaiderTatum
@RaiderTatum 7 жыл бұрын
Always clear with what you discuss and helps people like me that grab onto the "catch" phrases and wins debates when I should be debunked. Thank you - Jon
@shannonb7263
@shannonb7263 8 жыл бұрын
As always, great video. Thanks for doing these. They are a great resource for not only MTs, but everyone!
@foundationsmedicalinformat2420
@foundationsmedicalinformat2420 7 жыл бұрын
Incredible video! Seeing a massage therapist who seems to put Science first is truly refreshing. :)
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 жыл бұрын
Foundations Medical Informatics .....knots is a slang medical term for tight muscles. It's the same thing. No one thinks it's some tumor.
@daytonasayswhat9333
@daytonasayswhat9333 5 жыл бұрын
@@Batya-Grace What?
@MorrisseyMuse
@MorrisseyMuse 5 жыл бұрын
@@Batya-Grace that's kinda what this vid is telling you..lol
@yengsabio5315
@yengsabio5315 4 жыл бұрын
@@Batya-Grace Medical slang? Is there such a thing?
@DeeperLayers
@DeeperLayers 3 жыл бұрын
@@yengsabio5315 yep. look up 'idiopathic'
@patrickm7727
@patrickm7727 8 жыл бұрын
What a relief to hear you say this! I'm a biology grad student and I'm constantly put off by the ideas and explanations I hear from MT on youtube. Maybe address those "toxins" next :)
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 жыл бұрын
+Cowherdingjoe joe Aw heck yes. The "toxin" thing needs to be put to bed. Thanks for the kind comment!
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 жыл бұрын
Cowherdingjoe joe, Massage Sloth ...It's called "Toxin" for the affect that knots have on your body and mind, NOT because anyone thinks it's some tumor or cancer growth lol, and we all know that knots are just tight muscles. It's just a slang word.
@MorrisseyMuse
@MorrisseyMuse 5 жыл бұрын
@@Batya-Grace Alot of holistic loonies believe in actual toxins within the body
@berksarioz969
@berksarioz969 3 жыл бұрын
@@Batya-Grace Oh no, many people obviously think there are LITERALLY toxins and they spread around your body after massage and you need to drink water to clear out toxins. Maybe, you don't, but don't discount the stupidity of other people.
@jjowansky
@jjowansky 2 жыл бұрын
Berk Sarioz what the probably mean is lactic acid, or is that a myth aswell ?
@kariebrooks9044
@kariebrooks9044 2 жыл бұрын
yes i'm in an esthetics class and my teacher also told me that these are nots and to work them out of the body. I cannot ask my teacher anything thats why im here. Today i messaged a 70 year old mans back and he said he believed a knot in his back. I wanted to learn more about knots because he wanted me to message so hard this knot out of his back. This gentlemen seems very logical and not full of bs. I get so frustrated with also this false information that teachers are telling us students. Next time i see him i will ask him what he is doing for exercise and encourage him to move more if he doesn't. Thank you very much.
@shenaniganez
@shenaniganez 7 жыл бұрын
I was helping my cousin move. I felt overheated and lethargic. my cousin's gf worked at a massage therapy office. she had me lay on my stomach and worked out some painful knots. after she was done I fell asleep and woke up feeling 100 % better. maybe the massage worked out the tight painful knots and k relaxed enough to nap idk but I believe in masages now.
@vice8063
@vice8063 7 жыл бұрын
"Get more massages from people who don't give you a complex." 👍 instant like lol great video. Thanks for sharing oxoxo
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 жыл бұрын
Tora's Behavioral Fitness .....Complex over what? We all know that knots are tight muscles, not some tumor or cancer growth. He's only playing a semantics game. Knots is a slang medical term for tight muscles. It's the same thing.
@kodiererg
@kodiererg 5 жыл бұрын
Nice. I never thought about the word knots, but this makes sense.
@marymedinas1111
@marymedinas1111 3 жыл бұрын
A complex???? Im not correlating that at all to what he said here. Are we offended that someone told us we have tight muscles now?
@thisjawnjrawling545
@thisjawnjrawling545 6 жыл бұрын
Wow this was really eye opening and helpful. It was a great conversation piece with the other therapists in my clinic. Please keep it up and thank you
@heleneillston4197
@heleneillston4197 7 жыл бұрын
I hate hearing when clients tell me that their other therapist told them they have all these knots. I totally agree with him about those muscle structures. I try to give my clients easy to remember movement exercises that they can do at their work stations to help their muscles stay more fluid. Thanks for the great video.
@mrtendollarman6157
@mrtendollarman6157 4 жыл бұрын
In most people i see, the insertion of levator is almost fibrotic. If you dont go hard there its impossible to have results. The next day ( and probably for the next 72hours) yes, its going to be sore, but thats the goal because you will trigger the regeneration mechanism. The body will identify that as a wounds and will heal it back to its normal form. My English sucks but i think you guys got the point.
@elementohsix
@elementohsix 8 жыл бұрын
I lift weights daily and my form is everything to me since I don't want injuries. I always feel good after my workouts. Today I was told I have a lot of knots in my upper back and I was worried, but I wanted to know what "knots" really were. Thank you for making me feel better lol
@Toonces74
@Toonces74 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate the tips on what not to say to clients. I'm still in training so this is really helpful.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@dust_to_dust
@dust_to_dust 5 жыл бұрын
I think you work and sound like a pro, and I appreciate you clearing this up for me for the rest of my life. :)
@realdeal7074
@realdeal7074 5 жыл бұрын
I love your voice, it's calming and soothing. Gentle hands. It's good to see someome who knows what their doing!
@justinthematrix
@justinthematrix 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping it real
@giga9955
@giga9955 5 жыл бұрын
“If you have tight postural muscles and don’t have pain, there’s nothing wrong with you...” As a PT the amount of clients I deal with that suffer with a kyphosis is very frequent. It is not ‘no problem.’ It is as it nearly always is causing issues across different areas of the body or linking into issues further down the line and should be corrected.
@mariusmyhre7594
@mariusmyhre7594 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you get the few people who actually have symptoms related to their postural "tightness"? And that most other people out there, with the same exact posture, is pain-free?
@DeeperLayers
@DeeperLayers 3 жыл бұрын
@@mariusmyhre7594 not 'few'. In my 32 years as a massage therapist, I have had ONE client without any muscle spasms in their back. The fact that we are all contracted, makes it 'normal' as in 'the norm', but not 'natural'. I wish scientists started understanding that it's not scientific to confuse those two
@malcolmjelani3588
@malcolmjelani3588 2 жыл бұрын
He is a massage therapist not an MD. He's basically saying don't play doctor.
@elanagra1
@elanagra1 8 жыл бұрын
Great lesson. As usual, you know how to find the right points. A real genius, Thanks Ian.
@nickipedia1
@nickipedia1 6 жыл бұрын
This is great! I feel like I have to unlearn a bunch of stuff I’ve been taught, but this makes so much more sense to me.
@eileenmonaghan5180
@eileenmonaghan5180 8 жыл бұрын
great video as always. I dint user the term knots and will do my best to correct people when they say it but loved the specific info on the areas mts usually overwork.
@DianeZyrix
@DianeZyrix 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! It is so frustrating to me every time clients or even my coworkers try to fight the client's anatomy instead of learning and feeling amused by it. The notion of a "perfect body" with no "knots" just comes from a lack of knowledge. People should learn a bit more about their own bodies from school!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 жыл бұрын
+Dii “Diitective” Zyrix I love the idea of "feeling amused" by the body. Going in with a sense of curiosity and wonderment can do powerful things for both client and therapist alike. Thanks for the great comment!
@shannanigans1373
@shannanigans1373 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Harvey, thank you for your videos. I think you've given better education than my current massage instructors.
@arianelockwood5364
@arianelockwood5364 7 жыл бұрын
He is so right about the pain during and after them working the "knots." I usually have to put a heating pad on my shoulders afterwards. I always wondered if it was my body being messed up cause I stand for long periods of time. thanks for the info. ☺
@glcnornes3783
@glcnornes3783 7 жыл бұрын
Our tutor who was also a physiotherapist explained muscle knots in the following way: Imagine your muscle fibres (holds fingers so that each finger is inserted into the space between the opposite hands fingers) and when you exercise or strain these muscle fibres, even with daily activity, small tears occur... (fingers lift up) these are normal and fix themselves (fingers down), but sometimes they don't position themselves correctly again (overlaps some fingers over the top of each other) and this is when knots occur and much like a knot you get in your hair, it will need worked on in order to be encouraged into it's correct position again (wiggles fingers free and back into the original position). Just like trying to brush hair with knots... you will have referred pain elsewhere at the origin and insertion points, it's like a labyrinth for the blood to get through these knots so this is why Neuro-muscular technique is pretty effective for encouraging increased blood flow to these areas with of tight knots and weakness. (He also said the tears in the muscle fibres are what makes lactic acid escape and cause DOMS when enough is released). This was during the sports massage course I took the year 2007-2008... I have been basically repeating versions of this to clients who have asked what knots are because it made a lot of sense :'(
@ashleyfalcon125
@ashleyfalcon125 5 жыл бұрын
Gina Coyle Nornes don’t be sad, I think that is an amazing way of explaining it! Don’t listen to some guy on KZfaq over training you paid a lot of money for and was provided to you via an actual real life accredited physiotherapist. Plz don’t undermine that seemingly fabulous training for this guy & his conspiracy theories and such. Sounds to me like you received good skills. Keep it up!
@RoloTheRiddler
@RoloTheRiddler 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, do you know if this is explained in any textbooks anywhere? I have very recently started doing a Swedish Massage course & am shocked at the lack of scientific information surrounding massage & complementary therapies. I used to be a Scientist & normally can find textbooks/popular science books on nearly everything. I was considering studying Sports Massage as this seems the most 'scientific' of all the massage types/styles but as I am very new to all this I am unsure of where to go next. Any type of resource/advise would be helpful.
@gwendolyncheong8889
@gwendolyncheong8889 7 жыл бұрын
I'm an LMT and shit you opened my eyes. I needed this. I'm saving this video as a reminder. I didn't even realize that those spots that has bumps were tendons. Thank you so much.
@oliviarinaldi5963
@oliviarinaldi5963 5 жыл бұрын
I really like your videos and the way you present. You are so cool and NOT at all condescending. I especially like that about you. I'm trying to learn as much as I can so I can do this for my husband. Your videos are very helpful. Thank you for your hard work.
@nelltaylor8086
@nelltaylor8086 7 жыл бұрын
I was looking for simple techniques to help my fiance with his upper back and shoulder tension. this has helped ALOT . Thanks !
@jordansplanet
@jordansplanet 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks. I am in my 9th year in the Massage Therapy profession. One of the first things I did upon graduating was doing my own research and dispelling myths that so many keep perpetuating....the 'knot' thing is one of them. Thank you so much for posting this. Do one on the myth of 'flushing toxins' next please.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 жыл бұрын
That's definitely coming up, it's a meme that needs to go. Not only is it physiologically incorrect, there's a weird element of client-blaming ("you should have drunk more water," or "this is your body's natural response to detox") that grinds my gears. Thanks for the kind words!
@ginnyhillyer
@ginnyhillyer 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I am so relieved because after all this time, I can finally admit, I have NEVER actually felt a trigger point!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 жыл бұрын
That is a relief! I went for so long hearing other massage therapists talk about knots and trigger points, and feeling them release... and I wondered if there was something wrong with my hands. Once I started investigating where those "knots" were, they were always bits of anatomy that were supposed to be there!
@Bizzy-Bumble1131
@Bizzy-Bumble1131 4 жыл бұрын
I have never felt a knot, only tight muscles!
@DeeperLayers
@DeeperLayers 3 жыл бұрын
@@MassageSloth I believe that if I had you feel the multifidus spasms in the lamina groove in the lumbar, you would definitely feel them. And we could do a blind test. I have done that with students. And as I said, a chiropractor with find the vertebrae there subluxated. Our notes correlate nicely. Am I saying that you're wrong about all the nonsense in the profession? No, you are right about that. Especially when they try to 'break the scar tissue' or 'adhesions' and they dont realize that the client's body suffers as they arch back in extreme pain.
@rahulkalra8989
@rahulkalra8989 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for finally making a video on this! :) It's truly clarifying unnecessary myths.
@nancylee6893
@nancylee6893 7 жыл бұрын
Oh how I love you because I learned all that you are introducing by palpation on my own in 17 years of hands on experience.NOT from massage school. I looked it all up myself after thousands of paid clients wanting me to work on the tendon area.
@AndeePandCompany
@AndeePandCompany 6 жыл бұрын
Wait what!? No such thing as “knots”!? I feel like my whole life has been a lie! 😂
@Sunshine-ci6rf
@Sunshine-ci6rf 3 жыл бұрын
"If that's true, why even say anything? I don't know" HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA YEEESSSS
@jasonmh
@jasonmh 5 жыл бұрын
This is such a good video because it highlights the importance of being educated about the area you're working on.
@ne444104
@ne444104 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a LMT n I've been saying the same thing in my head for yrs n when client ask, I basically say it's tight muscle, I word not ANNOYS me, This guy does good job explaining!
@olbeats6659
@olbeats6659 4 жыл бұрын
The “knots” the “massage therapist” are referring to are muscle cohesions that has built up on old scar tissues. I had a deep tissue massage recently, and the cohesions that were addressed to did help a lot, especially when working out.
@malcolmjelani3588
@malcolmjelani3588 2 жыл бұрын
There is no "old scar tissue ".
@KlearChristal
@KlearChristal 2 жыл бұрын
@@malcolmjelani3588 There is no "muscle".
@Vortex1283
@Vortex1283 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I learned so much. I'm a new massage therapist. My teacher would talk about these area as "trigger points", and say that we should work to get rid of them unless they were bilateral and therefore structural. I like your theory better, as I have been failing to make any of them go away. You have just enlightened me to trust my instincts rather than take what I learned in school to be gospel. I will look forward to checking out more of your videos.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 6 жыл бұрын
Right on Tim! It took me a long time before I started trusting my clinical judgment and instincts rather than conventional wisdom, so you've got a good head start :)
@matthewhawkins106
@matthewhawkins106 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video presentation Ian, as I truly do appreciate your sincerity, you honesty and integrity which you have clearly portrayed in this video, especially with resolving the common mythic belief of knots, of which would be an international myth believed by many thousands of people world wide. I also thank you for you the detailed information that you have also provided which does inform clients a bit more about muscle physiology, all of which can truly be appreciated by those who do greatly respect honesty and integrity in an individual, for which most clients would gladly come back to see you. There is also the other thing that many massage therapists do not seem to provide for their clients, and that is, releasing the nerve, where there is muscle tightness. From what I have heard, even from a friend of mine who is a massage therapist located Brisbane Australia, releasing the nerve is what most massage therapists avoid doing, so that they can keep exploiting customers to come back. If all of them were truly honest and decent, then customers would gladly come back anyway, and would either bring or recommend friend to come along which would be a great benefit to the business massage therapist anyway.
@karenpacheco9125
@karenpacheco9125 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, the knot comment drives me nuts from my clients who over heard it and co-workers!!! Thanks for clarifying and educating everyone.
@GlitchedLink1
@GlitchedLink1 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. You are a candle in the darkness of pseudoscience.
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 жыл бұрын
Crusades Nuclear Bombs ...Calling tight muscles knots is not a pseudoscience. The word knots is just a slang word. We all know it's not some tumor lmaoooo.
@audreyray1983
@audreyray1983 5 жыл бұрын
Using the term knot is almost just a resignation for how deeply ingrained the misinformation is in this industry. I don't personally like to label or fix clients. I enjoy co-creating a beneficial experience of the releasing of that which is ready to release physically and energetically. I love this video. Thank you for sharing the description of muscle fibers. And, especially research that supports your statements. Very validating. Keep up the good work. I am now a subscriber. 🙏❤
@rosemarylappin2188
@rosemarylappin2188 6 жыл бұрын
Watched this video ages ago. It changed my thinking about muscle tention and knots. A lot of my clients say oh that's a big knot I say no now it's just tight muscle tention. Thank you for sharing!!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 6 жыл бұрын
That's good to hear, Rosemary, and I appreciate you letting me know!
@jetu8324
@jetu8324 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I am the lead LMT at a chiropractor’s office and I had a client one day that said she had a 100 knots in her back from all the weight training she had been doing. She had been getting massage by a friend who told her that. After her massage she asked me how many I had found. When I replied that I hadn’t found any she corrected me and said that she did. I said that I believe her friend may have confused the overlapping muscles for knots. She seemed annoyed with my response and never came back again. Unfortunately she trusted her friend over the therapist. I love all the you teach us. Thank you!
@massagetherapyinstructor6037
@massagetherapyinstructor6037 7 жыл бұрын
Oh, THANK YOU for this! I will be sharing your link with my classes. I preach to my students to take the word "knot" out of their vocabulary. They then go on to hear the word being used by other LMT'S and come back and ask why other people are still using it. I tell them it's an inherited term that is antiquated and encourage them to not continue the use of the word, at least as it relates to the muscles!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 жыл бұрын
Right on, teach! I'm glad your students have you :)
@Batya-Grace
@Batya-Grace 5 жыл бұрын
Massage Therapy Instructor ....Please, stop already! We all know that knots are tight muscles. It's the same thing. It's just a slang word. No one thinks that knots are some tumor LmAO. Stop playing your semantics game.
@Laura_Birdy
@Laura_Birdy 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! I studied at the Swedish Institute in New York and my professors have ALWAYS stated the same thing you're video states, there is no such things as "knots". They demonstrated that what can happen is that the muscle fibers can over lap, due to whatever the mechanical body habits clients have or injury to the muscles. And I never use the word knots around my clients. I find that I'm always giving a quick lesson after a session whenever a client ask me if I found "knots"! Will be posting this video on my personal page because I'd love for more people to understand what that word really entails. Thanks again! Very informative!!
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Laura!
@adeliachamberlain7367
@adeliachamberlain7367 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you very for great clarification of knots and muscle structure - love your videos - Genius!👍🏾
@thomaslaine979
@thomaslaine979 7 жыл бұрын
Knot is not a negative word. Especially when you eliminate it. That is the problem. Most massage therapists don't do what it takes! My teachers said that they had to clear the room of negative energy after a massage. There is no such thing! There is only potential and kinetic energy. I have found that I am on the edge if my seat until my client releases. Then we BOTH let go. The only negative is if you don't get them to let go.
@karlawinter5572
@karlawinter5572 7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, informative and well delivered. Big thank you. Karla
@jpodobnik
@jpodobnik 8 жыл бұрын
If I use the word "knot" in my SOAP notes or describing something, BEATINGS occur! (not really, but just for dramatic effect). These things could also be calcium deposits or adipose deposits. The older you get, the more chance of having them...(old and loaded with them). Nice Job!
@lisaehrlich6306
@lisaehrlich6306 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. I am still in school and am getting conflicting information. What I feel as a "Twingy" band that clicks or rolls, at the superior angle/medial border of the scapula, I was told is a trigger point/knot. I was so happy when you said it is actually the tendon. I instinctively knew that but felt I did not have the experience to make that distinction.
@user-mi8zf8kh7f
@user-mi8zf8kh7f Жыл бұрын
This is great thank you!! I am a movement therapy coach and an RMT and i tell my clients all the time that massage won't be the answer to solving the chronic pain issues in muscles. I lose clients because they just want the massage and me just massaging them enables their belief that massage or other external modalities will "fix" their problems.
@valeriew8831
@valeriew8831 8 жыл бұрын
Hear, hear! Thanks for this!!
@gabrielkicks2346
@gabrielkicks2346 7 жыл бұрын
Wow sound amazing , would love to get a massage from you , because you know what your doing , most people that do massage do more wrong then to do right and then tend to make my back to have more inflammation in certain part of my back muscles , this was a very helpful video . Thanks for sharing
@mariewilliams5227
@mariewilliams5227 7 жыл бұрын
I found this information really helpful and has made a lot of sense. it has also given me a bit more confidence in my massage technic and safer in the knowledge that some of the lumps and bumps I can feel are actually meant to be there and don't need 'removing'!
@fredrikzels2637
@fredrikzels2637 6 жыл бұрын
Perfekt video. This is what I talk about with my all my clients.
@michellemcmanus0191
@michellemcmanus0191 5 жыл бұрын
My massage tutor taught me that a muscle knot was an actual knot and now I feel so embarrassed that I've been telling my clients this 🤦 She said that your muscles are all made up of tiny strings of fibres and that when you have poor posture or a traumer they literally knot and twist together and you have to grind them to "iron " them out! Why aren't we being taught correctly???
@ninjakwoww3745
@ninjakwoww3745 5 жыл бұрын
Michelle Mcmanus0 I have a biology degree and trust me this guy it’s 100% correct they can’t actually knot like what a normal person would imagine a knot to be. Whenever people have said this to me I could never understand what they meant due to my science background and how that could be physically possible! I feel bad you were taught the wrong thing when you were obviously just trying to increase ur knowledge and be better at your job
@boab69y2k
@boab69y2k 3 жыл бұрын
It's hard to get good soild information that are based on rubust research and experience. Don't be embarrassed this happens to everyone - misinformation is everywhere. I thought similar to you prior to this video.
@RB-jt4jm
@RB-jt4jm 7 жыл бұрын
Often massage therapists will include alternative medecine theory into their curriculum - the biggest massage school in quebec city requires mandatory reiki sessions... So it's awesome that you are MUCH more scientific in your approach.
@laurawalker8482
@laurawalker8482 7 жыл бұрын
Milky Lamb There's no relationship between Reiki and the incorrect use of the term 'knots'.
@nicollevelez8149
@nicollevelez8149 6 жыл бұрын
I saw your photo and instantly liked - love lambs! But the reiki idea is super cool, some people like that combination of serenity, massage and good vibes. Other prefer technical massage but love the option!
@zainshaikh527
@zainshaikh527 6 жыл бұрын
Reiki is an actual thing though.....don't be a moron pulling in a random subject with a non technical term just used for a lack of a better one. Watch the video and you'll maybe comprehend what I'm trying to explain to you
@lorettaseal7240
@lorettaseal7240 7 жыл бұрын
Ian - you are so right! Love this video and your teaching. Thank you so much.
@Justin1111112
@Justin1111112 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve never liked using the word “knot” but I didn’t know how to word it, so this was amazing. Also, the points you showed, thank you for your view on them. Definitely doing some more research about where tendons lay and how muscles look since it wasn’t really ever anything I thought of before.
@Chagosaquarium
@Chagosaquarium 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! I’m in my first spa job and trying to figure stuff like this out, especially in communicating with clients, being effective at work, and leaving the client satisfied. I felt like my client maybe should have felt totally relieved of his upper back tightness after his session and he wasn’t... sometimes it takes more to create that change...?
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, think of the months and years that the client spent creating their current corporeal conditions. Those aches and pains are built on habits, daily routines, and even their unique anatomy. Thinking that we could erase pain/sensitivity/tightness in a single session is asking a lot, especially when they'll return to those habits the moment they step out of the office! I prefer to think of my work as one of many forces which can inform the body and nervous system about a comfortable new equilibrium. I provide massage as an analgesic stimulus on a regular basis, and I'm always ready to act as a cheerleader for other pain-reducing and function-promoting changes to their routines. Got pain from your desk job? Let's talk ergonomics, and start a routine of regular movement breaks. Thinking of doing yoga or PT? I'm all for it. Need a recommendation for a personal trainer? I know just the people. So, I think of massage, especially regular massage, as a useful piece of the larger puzzle of a comfortable and functional life. We can be the weekly reminder that the body is capable of feeling good and standing tall, and we can be the pebble that starts the landslide of healthy change. No miraculous recoveries needed! They do happen on occasion, but relief from chronic pain is MUCH more frequently a process of progress, relapse, plateaus, and more progress, with gradual change happening over many months. Expect it, embrace it, and don't let it psych you out. (and a satisfied client is the gold standard, so you get an A+)
@lindainc
@lindainc 7 жыл бұрын
thank you for sharing. Very interesting
@daralynbonnie8891
@daralynbonnie8891 7 жыл бұрын
I never used the word knot but your full explanation has help me a great deal. Thank you so much
@tscullion777
@tscullion777 8 жыл бұрын
I see clients with this view of themselves all the time. A prior therapist scared them into thinking they are cursed, and must be dealt with! ha! Great video, and it needed to be said. Also, I've been searching for what the "mouse" actually is for a few years, and you finally were the one who knows what it is, yay! thanks again...you are one go to source for me and my practice.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 8 жыл бұрын
+Tori Scullion Thanks so much, Tori!
@mattzilla331
@mattzilla331 8 жыл бұрын
Clients usually use the term knots and then will say something about "breaking them up" I tell them a knot is really just a portion of the muscle stuck in contraction and it isn't literally a knot like what you would find in a string. and that pounding on it doesn't fix the problem. you have to address WHY they form.
@Ausnapify
@Ausnapify 7 жыл бұрын
Matt Richards just call it a knot & be done with it.
@johndibert5509
@johndibert5509 7 жыл бұрын
Matt Richards a
@nikkimarie2703
@nikkimarie2703 6 жыл бұрын
You just described a trigger point. Which is what a "knot" really is
@user-ly2dq5tw6i
@user-ly2dq5tw6i 6 жыл бұрын
Superman
@Teenieweeniemussolini
@Teenieweeniemussolini 6 жыл бұрын
But he just said that what you are telling them is wrong. Lsten to what he says about trigger points again, because that is exactly what you are describing, just without using that term
@geoffreyhuckabay583
@geoffreyhuckabay583 7 жыл бұрын
Ian, this was an excellent video. I appreciate your restructuring how to language this in a way that empowers the client. I also appreciate you explaining where there are places that could feel like knots. I learned a lot ♡
@Cathlynn23
@Cathlynn23 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I carried this term and these alleged "knots" (next to my shoulder blade) around with me for quite some time. Good to know that it's just part of the normal muscle structure. One less problem to worry about!
@weerats09
@weerats09 7 жыл бұрын
Glad i watched this :) yes, i did use to call em knots but i wont be anymore. Thank you for this one i have learnt heaps. I called them knots because thats what i thought they were so glad i never told my clients thats what they were.
@lemonlemonster
@lemonlemonster 8 жыл бұрын
This is a great video, but I'm still struggling to figure out the right language to use. Simple, yet very complicated, questions such as "What's that?!" or "Why does there hurt?" often leave me struggling to find the most appropriate response. Is there even a succinct way to explain what they may be feeling to a client that doesn't take the entire session? Is there a correct term for specific spots that hurt that don't have any referral areas? Also (and maybe this is a stupid question and I'm totally forgetting this from school) WHY does that area hurt when pressure is put on it? Is it anything beyond just the body's way of telling you that area needs attention?
@barbarastepien-foad4519
@barbarastepien-foad4519 7 жыл бұрын
most interesting and very positive, keep up the good work mate, greetings from England.
@marciab1279
@marciab1279 3 жыл бұрын
This is really good to know. Thank you for this video. I’ve been going around for the last few weeks telling people how “knotted up” I am because I don’t get massages on a regular basis. I had one masseuse tell me while she was giving massage that I had so many knots . “You were just so knotted up....oh my goodness, you are just really so tight, blah blah blah”. I mean she would not shut up about it. I never went back to her because she really got on my nerves with that.
@MassageSloth
@MassageSloth 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm fine learning new things about my body, but like... I've had MTs tell me about my "huge knots" and I'm able to reach up and palpate my shoulder, and all I feel is normal anatomy! I think it's just part of their schtick. You asked in another comment why so many MTs and PTs use the term, and I think it's because they've gotten positive reinforcement for doing so. Clients seem eager to hear about their knots, and are more likely to be on board for treatment if there's an enemy to attack. After trying other language and getting less of a response, a lot of professionals wind up using what people respond to rather than what's most accurate or least stigmatizing. And yeah, some people go way overboard and it's all they talk about!
@laurenfinkbiner1462
@laurenfinkbiner1462 7 жыл бұрын
This was extremely helpful as a massage client, thank you!
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