Two guys tried to carjack me about a decade ago and I used my firearm defensively. The officers looked at my gun, wrote down the serial, handed it back to me and told me to have a good night. No other action taken. I went home with my life and the pizza I was trying to get.

I love the fact that four guys with very passionate opinions can calmly have such a civil discussion. They can disagree without becoming disagreeable. They should run for Congress!

Also to the topic at the 1 hour mark - don't have bumper stickers or signs in your yard that give anything away, I've seen signs that show you have guns, don't have guns, have little kids, have a teenage girl in the local high school, sometimes even a uniform number for a school sports team etc. And it always horrifies me that anyone driving by can see it. Also light over sling.

Thanks for the video guys! I'm a single mom, and I'm the only one to protect my children, home, and myself. All of the information I can get is appreciated!

Fun stuff guys. Lots of laughs and info. Loved the info about the battery life of green recitals. Thanks guys.

This was one of my favorite discussions y’all have done

I agree with both sides! The light and the sling go on at the same time when I bring the gun home, along with whatever optic I’m going to use.

It would be great to see you guys sit-down with Masad Ayoob, who is the firearms guru when it comes to law enforcement combat shooting and personal defense. He has been around forever (since the 70s) and really understands the law regarding personal defense. I'm a retired, old school Leo, now an old man, but for 19 of my 22 year career I was a collateral duty firearms instructor, and it was guys like Ayoob who were our go to for quality instruction techniques. My home is now an apartment in a senior complex, so I have neighbors just on the other side of a wall. I also have a layered approach, as does my 90 year old father, with loaded pistols available in each room/area of my home. That way if I'm in the kitchen, say, and someone breaks in, I don't have to try and race to my bedroom to retrieve my defensive firearm. I keep a Ruger LCP, .380, with laser light, and two mags of high quality defensive ammo in a kitchen drawer; a Ruger SP 101 with 5 rounds of. 38 spl, self defense rounds with a DeSantis 2x2x2 pouch next to the bed; in a dresser drawer I keep a Sig P220, .45 acp, with 2 mags of mixed hydra shock, golden saber, and black talon ammo (it doesn't have night sights so it's not my night primary) ; and finally in my hobby room (I build ship models) I keep a Ruger Vaquero in .45 Long Colt, hanging in a holster in my gun safe closet, with Hornaday critical defense rounds (no night sights) and also a SCCY 9mm, with 2 mags of self defense rounds available . I DO NOT have children or grandkids in my apartment, just a killer attack dachshund, which is my early warning system believe me if you know the breed, nothing gets within 20 feet of your building and they will loudly announce an intruder alert.😂. And when family or friends with children do come for a visit, all firearms are locked in the safe. While it sounds like I'm nuts, the reality is the firearms are not out in an open area, and I know that no matter where I am , short of carrying a firearm on my person in my home, I can quickly reach a firearm. I ruled out both a shotgun and long rifle, because I live in an apartment complex, and a responsible gun users, we are very much responsible for each and every round that leaves the barrel of our firearms. It's no consolation to say I stopped an intruder with my rifle, but also dropped my next door neighbor while she was sitting in her recliner watching jeopardy. Anyway, just an old retired LEO'S thoughts on the topic.

Def wanna see the M&P vs. the FN in 10mm. Been going back and forth between those two as to which one to pick up.

Great pod. Lot of good info for a first time gun buyer.

Lots of great information,good conversation among friends

Grea conversation and discussion!!!

Absolutely loved this episode! So informative!

I love this topic, extremely helpfu.

Fingers crossed on the contest guys, 🙏 God bless anyone else who entered.

Love the pro point on my pistol and red !

The thing with the whole "just rack the shotgun and the sound will scare them" idea is either you just dropped a round in an already limited capacity weapon, or the weapon wasn't ready to go.

Wow, lots of great information. But it all boils down to situation. I'm in a city, simple track home, I have heavy steel security screen doors on both entry doors and double pane windows all around. (and I keep everything locked at all times. I'm a light sleeper and I doubt anyone is going to gain entry without getting noticed. I have handgun on the nightstand and other guns staged in the house. I even have guns in the garage. I also have motion sensor lights on my perimeter and outdoor cameras. But I still remain observationally diligent.

I like the idea of passive not obvious hard target house. but very capable of being defended... and left when needed! I have both fresh and saltwater access and egress. I have major roadways east and west as well as north and south ish within walking distance. I have an airfield for small engine and rotor winged aircraft. I have anti surveillance measures in place and the ability to implement even more(to the point of illegal) and I will apologize right now to the families of the first dozen people unwelcome in my house because they died without me even having to be here. short of being a high altitude stealth bomber you've been seen by the time you are at my house. if you got past the gates and walls and dogs and lights and guards and cameras and motion/thermal stuff... the surprise at the doors and windows will just be a fun bonus.

Great guests

I have the Galil 7.62x39 8.3 barrel with subs and suppressor. Runs like a champ and get no gas in the face.

some people have the mental state to fight through being shot and others will just give up, sit down and wait to bleed out. for that reason, you cannot depend on just the caliber or load being what decides effectiveness. you need to use a sufficient caliber and you need to be proficient, but there is some element that will be a factor of who comes into your house. there are some injuries that will stop a person directly, but shot placement matters to get those, so don't let down until the fight is over.

Sweet Clint and the guys

It's great to see you have Colion Noir and Maj Toure on the show. I know it's going to be great!

I’ve also heard of Georgia cops not taking firearm used in a home defensive shooting

I have a s&w M&S shield 2 9mm, M&p shield ez 9 for the wife, LWRC Di and a ruger sr.40c scattered randomly throughout my home with 3 dogs and game cameras throughout my yard

I 100% agree with Kaya. ESPECIALLY with children. PID is important…but that’s why you’re not ever clearing the house using your weapon light. You need a seperate light. You need a sling to be able to pid without using your weapon light. You need a sling to guide your kids and use your hands for everything but hold your rifle.

I guess my home is different, I have four Great Pyrenees, four Siberians and four other mixes. The early warning is absolute, my Springfield XP Service 45 with 185HP's is for limited over penetration just like the 300Blk with 220gr subs. Wife has her Hellcat W/red dot. We don't really fear break-ins and we are friendly with the local PD that are a great bunch of people.

Dogs at least warn you there is someone out there and I lived in the country by myself . I have had cameras taken down ( even in the trees ) and as long as my dog was there I knew if anything was out there , then I had to put him down and I really had a hard time without him so I moved 🤷🏻‍♀️

I like how everyone’s muzzle is pointed away and then there’s Kaya’s MP5 lol

I think a good home defense setup for a long gun is a bullpup rifle with a shotgun attached to it, either in an underslung fashion or integrated into it, or a PCC with a shotgun attached to it. Basically, guns functioning like the Morita rifle from Starship Troopers or the M41A pulse rifle from Aliens (the way the props were made, not how they work in their respective universes)

Opinions vary greatly on this subject.

I have darkening curtains and I did actually walk across the street when I moved from the country to a town in a secure building apartment and I could see everyone in their apartments, I don’t sit in front of the window especially if they can see me .

36:45 I'm running a sling on everything! What happens if there's more than one person and the second one tackles you? You're dropping that gun. I want to keep retention on it. That said, I'm putting a light on my home defense gun the second I pick it up. But I'm also putting a sling on it that day. Light, iron sights (at a minimum) and sling would be purchased all at the same time as the firearm

No Barnes for the 300blk? Ask Kevin about the best 300blk round while your there. I switched on his recommendation and they are lights out on hogs and deer

Best defensive gun is the one you feel comfortable and competent using, and do use.

My first choice right now would have to be genesis arms gen 12 with mags full of buckshot. Second would probably be adams arms 308 pistol

I put a sling on before the light, it was a cost thing. The BFG sling was easier to obtain than the cloud defensive light. They are both necessary, but if one has to come first, sometimes circumstances dictate what’s first. In my case, it was the correct choice. I’ve had to use neither so far, thank you, Jesus!

9mm PCC "pistol" with a light and a brace using irons or a shake awake RDS. Or a handgun with a light.

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54:43 lightweight battle belt with an OWB holster if you run a pistol

Easy light. Sling seems very options. I see very few scenarios where a sling is beneficial in home defense. I see very few situations where a light isn’t. I believe most home defense is a hunker situation not a fight situation. But that’s house dependent.

Sling. My thoughts are transitioning from rifle to pistol would be difficult without the sling.

I do carry my edc on me 99.7% of the time around the home. If it isn’t on me, it’s normally within arms reach. I’ve rarely ever not had it and that was to let the dogs out bc they were acting like they were going to pee on the floor if I made them wait another 5 seconds, but I will go back and grab it while they do their business. I would usually have at least a knife with me or a socp dagger.

good podcast

I love this!!!! What are yall's opinion on sp2022?

I'd like to see a Value Carry Gun Under $300 comparison. For those who will never be able to afford FN, SIG, etc.....

Stagger the 00buck and slugs...shock and awe

Well, unfortunately, studies based upon interviews and witness statements have proven the sound of a shotgun racking and it scares off the intruder is just an urban myth. No data supports the "rack a shotgun and it sends fear in the intruder". The criminals in prison say it only gives them a notification of where the homeowner is and what they are armed with. That sound gives away your chance of surprise.

Light 1st then sling you can blind him while you put on the sling

It would add value to this discussion if you listed exactly what each person was recommending, and the added accessories. Someone might want to buy that gun, whatever it is.

When you guys started talking about "what if youre on the toilet" I was in the bathroom listening while fiddling with my gun and pushing out a log

I like!

I have motion sensors that turn on lights all over my house and outside that’s why a sling is more important to me than a light

Nice

For HomeDef absolutely light over sling.

I don’t think Aaron is saying that he leaves his family’s protection up to a sound. I think it’s more than if there’s a possibility that you don’t have to kill somebody because they hear a sound and they take off running and that’s still a win without someone having to die, I’m driving so I did this on talk to text so I hope it’s OK lol

So hear me out I get both sides of the argument and in my opinion it’s situational… unless you’ve been in a situation where someone tries to rip a gun away from you, you won’t realize that a sling is the most important attachment on a rifle, however the same goes for a light, until you’ve been in a situation in which it’s so dark that you can’t make anything out you won’t see the light as the most important. Personally for me I will choose light, just because my house has an almost U shaped staircase with a wall on each side, the downstairs because I hate having my blinds open is pitch black, so being how my front and rear door both set of an alarm that beeps both in the house and on my phone if someone comes in I need to be able to know who it is. However my last apartment was a condo with those huge floor to ceiling windows on the 10 floor of a building, in that situation I would’ve said sling, because the layout had my room in the back of the house, if I walked out of my room I’d walk past the laundry closet, a linen closet, bathroom and then into the kitchen/living room… which is where my front door is…. So in that case anything outside my door was lit with natural light and at that point I cared more about having a sling in case someone was in the closet or bathroom or the rest of the house rather than if I can make the place brighter…

The ATF argued the brace made the firearm more lethal.

Hornady Critical Defense Rifle 5.56.

Best part about anywhere I live, two sentient security guards that sleep at both of my sides. My dogs let me know if ANYONE walks up to my house at all hours of the night. Plenty of time to grab my rifle and set up a defensive stance. Gott train em though gang, you don’t want asshole dogs who just bark all the time

I WANT A KING OF 10MM VIDEO.. Glock, Sig, S&W, FN, Springfield and throw in a Kimber

Browning High Power 9 mm

Clint has obviously never seen what birdshot does up close

100% light before a sling!

If they weren't so MESSY, geese would be better indoor warning systems than your dogs are. Outdoors geese ALWAYS sound off before the dogs do when someone or something enters the property.

How about a Senor P 50...is that too much???

Assuming it was reliable in all of your testing and you had to choose a shotgun. What shotgun would you choose for home defense? I'm torn between a KSG(maybe a KSG25), or a DP-12. Again if they both tested great and I was forced to use a shotgun.

does ZF5P mumble in 45ACP+P? say 7"TB KAWCANNED & DRUMMED

8"TB w/Kaw Can, FMAR45ACP+Pistol, T-Con V5 WL/LAZ, Carryhandle, Cheekpad Pouch w/18&13, 40rdrum, Opmod NVIR & Padded Sling or POF same in 22LR w/110rdrum or the H-P45+Pistol w/14+ & T-Con V5WL/LAZ

"environment dictates tactics" sums it up. My plan is different from yours. Spend 15 min thinking through your specific environment (and how stable your kids/teens are). You may decide on something that others would make fun of you for. Ignore them. You do what is right for your situation.

no matter what gun you think is best, what kind of ammo penetration will you have?? - do you have kids, pets, what type of home do you have, close neighbors, ect, ect (yes your intent is to protect yourself and family, but what is behind this person you just shot?)

Sling over light

I just removed my optic sling and light 😮😮😮

Guys, nice, how many guns do you have out for home defense? All of those are great if you carry 25/7. For home defense I have 3 HI POINT pistols and 2 carbines scattered around the house for home defense and my roommate has 2 HI POINT pistols and 3 carbines, as well. So for the house we've got 10 firearms costing < $2500. They are ugly, heavy, and worth every cent.

AR 15 p320 knife

Cmmg dissent 300blk

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It’s nice to just see healthy conversations going on and guys bouncing ideas off each other, if only elected officials could do this.

A sling, a dog, a gate, 🤔, sounds more like fatherhood guide 😂😂

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Gotta have shake awake for the Home Defense weapon. Grab n Go under stress

If your not an avid shooter...keep it simple. Mossberg 88 and high FPS rounds. If your a legit shooter...go crazy

Red dot or Green dot........Blue dot has entered the chat 😎😎😎

Is that usher and Ludacris on the podcast?!

100! My video singlehandedly solved this already. Sigh.

The best gun for Home Defense is the 1 you have ?

Who has an under $1k rig, boys? Cuzco we don't make MB money.

That gun story is BIZARRE!

Anyone who uses the racking of a shotgun as one of the reasons to have one for self defense should not be trusted.

I knew kaya was one of those... ban all guns... not a joke.... dude.

What's up, Jason? Other Jason?

The chances of a home invasion are higher then any other incident outside the home, why dont people KEEP their Carry Gun ON THEM in the home??? Having guns placed all over like most "say" they do isnt practical by any means.

Dude starts off with the “sound of a shotgun racking” stupid crap

Tell Kaya to sit up next to the mic and stop moving all over the place!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The irony that I’m shopping for a home defense gun atm….

I don't even own a shotgun.

Unfortunately its even worse....$200 in 1934 is worth $4,631.73 in today's dollary-doos

Noooooooo Aaron, no more spreading the shotgun rack *MYTH* , pls no more 😭

A Reality Check. How the 2nd Amendment is handled has protected nothing, our borders are overrun and the U.S. House RINOs just partnered with the Democrat Party on another Omnibus bill of $1.2 Trillion. So, lead with advocating for the reduction of Federal Spending or the 2ndA continues to be outflanked. So much for your military training. Richard Morckel for the Defense of Our Republic.