What Became of Alice Todd? Schoolmate Molly Winn Tells of Her Capture by Comanches near San Saba, TX

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Unworthy History

Unworthy History

Күн бұрын

In this episode we read from the December 11, 1941 issue of the San Saba News, where Mrs. Molly Winn tells of the kidnapping of her classmate, Alice Todd, by Comanches back in the winter of 1864-65. Mrs. Winn and Alice Todd were schoolmates at the school in San Saba. We also read some additional stories from "Indian Depredations in Texas," by J.W. Wilbarger.
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@dogparty-tt8qw
@dogparty-tt8qw Ай бұрын
What a rough way to live…
@davidmuir7711
@davidmuir7711 Ай бұрын
Much obliged for this follow-up about Alice Todd. Y’know, it seems to me that for these German settlers to choose dealing with the bone-breaking hardships, privation, and Indian depredations of the skulking red murderers, well, it betokens me to wonder just how lousy was life in Germany that the homesteaders preferred taking their chances here in Comancheria?
@LongdistanceRider22
@LongdistanceRider22 22 күн бұрын
They were surfs…. at least in America they could be landowners
@esmeraldagreen1992
@esmeraldagreen1992 20 күн бұрын
Serfs, not surfs.
@esmeraldagreen1992
@esmeraldagreen1992 20 күн бұрын
Random fact Mauritania " abolished" slavery in 1981, though the ban was not enforced, and many people continued to be held as slaves.
@LongdistanceRider22
@LongdistanceRider22 19 күн бұрын
@@esmeraldagreen1992 thank you Esmeralda
@ellacarter1442
@ellacarter1442 15 күн бұрын
Remember who were the original owners of the land
@justjosie1163
@justjosie1163 Ай бұрын
Thank you again for telling our ancestors ' history and what they suffered through.
@user-lb3hd7ip4o
@user-lb3hd7ip4o 21 күн бұрын
YOU FORGET the native red Indian it was their Homeland not your Ancestors FACT.
@justjosie1163
@justjosie1163 21 күн бұрын
@user-lb3hd7ip4o My ancestors won against the hostile Indians and built America out of what had only been a violent backwards stone age land. FACT.
@justjosie1163
@justjosie1163 20 күн бұрын
​@user-lb3hd7ip4o They lost despite their savagery. Get over it. FACTS
@justjosie1163
@justjosie1163 20 күн бұрын
​@@user-lb3hd7ip4o They lost! FACTS!!!
@lesliestopp9525
@lesliestopp9525 20 күн бұрын
@justjosie1163 You call it losing, I and many others would call it the genocide of the native people who, for thousands of years, predated the settlers that had a greed for the lands they inhabited. A very wise man once said the love of money, was the root of all evil.
@luisrobles0453
@luisrobles0453 Ай бұрын
I tell everyone I come across about this channel. Great channel and these stories should be told.
@unworthyhistory
@unworthyhistory Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@timothyramsey7010
@timothyramsey7010 Ай бұрын
Poor Alice breaks your heart
@lambastepirate
@lambastepirate Ай бұрын
Always a great story thanks.
@shawnaweesner3759
@shawnaweesner3759 28 күн бұрын
Evil and good manifest within every race of people.
@Jackielocks
@Jackielocks Ай бұрын
Really interesting- so glad I came across your channel! ILove History and can’t believe how some people are trying to cancel the History that makes them a bit uncomfortable. We live in a world that is 3/4 lunatics..or so or seems some days lol Liked and Subscribed!
@tracietaylormaddocks7114
@tracietaylormaddocks7114 Ай бұрын
Tracie Taylor Maddocks Again, I Totally Love Ur Program!!! Thank You ☺️
@michellejennings4259
@michellejennings4259 18 күн бұрын
Good video
@donnafletcher5386
@donnafletcher5386 27 күн бұрын
Good to tell the truth since they seem to forget some of the Native Americans started the attacks.
@alanice8087
@alanice8087 Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@unworthyhistory
@unworthyhistory Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Jennifer-pb9nd
@Jennifer-pb9nd Ай бұрын
your previous episode relayed that she was 6yo, and another telling of the story I believe stated she was 7yo. 14yo is really far off.
@spacey118
@spacey118 Ай бұрын
The Todd line. How fascinating
@jakeroberts7435
@jakeroberts7435 Ай бұрын
Yeah Lincoln said something like God made do with one D in his name but of course the Todds needed two, insinuating they thought highly of themselves.
@spacey118
@spacey118 Ай бұрын
@@jakeroberts7435 hahaha now that insult has teeth
@jakeroberts7435
@jakeroberts7435 Ай бұрын
@@spacey118 I think Mary Todd's family came out of the Collins bloodline, and Linclone was a Rosicrucian, he was a man of many faces, an actor with handlers. Pinkerington of the all seeing eye being a major biggy in that field
@spacey118
@spacey118 Ай бұрын
@@jakeroberts7435 oh yes… going back to ruscomb and the killers
@spacey118
@spacey118 Ай бұрын
@@jakeroberts7435 also… I believe he code named his handlers cherry tree… not to be confused with apple pie
@cplmpcocptcl6306
@cplmpcocptcl6306 29 күн бұрын
The Plaque for Todd Mountain shown, has Mrs Todd’s death 3 weeks after the attack. Not 5 days.🤷‍♀️
@user-zh8il6zh6o
@user-zh8il6zh6o 24 күн бұрын
It does snow in Texas,16in.and more, also blizzards come in the Panhandle
@josephpadula2283
@josephpadula2283 Ай бұрын
Not a biologist but I know what a woman is . Anyway we need to find a genealogist to track other children Alice’s father had or trace her fathers family Then get DNA tests . Check Native American DNa on file to see if there are matches . Check with someone that knows how things work to see how statistically possible this is . You could solve the mystery . Stands with a fist ????
@septembersurprise5178
@septembersurprise5178 Ай бұрын
Was thinking much the same. Familial DNA test?
@bonnielucas3244
@bonnielucas3244 21 күн бұрын
Todd name is in my family but it came over in 1881 from England with my great grandfather and he never lived west of eastern PA
@bryantsnider3908
@bryantsnider3908 Ай бұрын
There anything on tennessee
@mr.miller3432
@mr.miller3432 Ай бұрын
Good ole rocky top
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 29 күн бұрын
Pure evil ..
@MissWitchiepoo
@MissWitchiepoo 4 сағат бұрын
My great great grand parents Kirstine and Niels had just gotten married and Kirstine had just given birth to a baby that wasn't his, when they went to the US. Back then if you were poor or had been to prison they wanted to get rid of you and this was a poor family. Kirstine had 3 children out of wedlock, so they were in that bunch of people. They asked for money to pay for the cheapest tickets for them, the baby and 2 of her daughters and a son he had with another wife before her and they got the money. I know a lot about them but have no idea of what happened to them in the US except they had a new baby, my great grandma Eva in Joliet Illinois Will Co. and they left here in 1878 and came back about 1884 and it's damn annoying not being able to find anything at all. They must have lost the baby and Nils's son because they didn't come back with them unless they left their son in the US which could be. After her husband's death she remarried and he died too so she went back to the US, but this time to Utah bringing her granddaughter pretending she was her daughter. The reason why I tell this story is that yes these stories about the Indians are awful but after all these people came and stole their country and if you do that now you are in trouble so in my mind, they were not invited and thanked the Indians by killing them and stealing all their land and they are strangers in their own country. When my great great grandmother came back she married a mormon who turned out to be a violent drunk who tried to kill her several times and starved her and she couldn't even get a new pair of shoes so you could end up in a bad way by the hand of "civilized" people:)
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 29 күн бұрын
Cant listen anymore ..too sad im Texan
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 29 күн бұрын
Horrible really horrible im Texan ..and yes all this horror was true
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 29 күн бұрын
Mean devil s
@lesliestopp9525
@lesliestopp9525 20 күн бұрын
People seem to conveniently forget, that native American were captured and held as slaves too, along with the African-Americans. The Comanche and Kiowa had heard the stories that passed from tribe to tribe. They were prepared to resit the encroachment of settlers into their territory. It is well known that the Comanche were capable of great love towards the people they adopted into their tribe. They were also capable of fierce savagery against those not of their tribe. The point is, that we, the white settlers from the time we stepped our feet on the shores of this continent proved ourselves to be a brutal, lying, and greedy race
@sherylwilson865
@sherylwilson865 15 күн бұрын
Lol, except the Mexicans were just as bad to the Apache and Comanche. You can't blame it all on the white eyes. None of the people are innocent of any of the atrocities.
@chilltarts
@chilltarts 3 күн бұрын
There’s good and bad in every community. Anytime you paint an entire population with a general coat of judgement, you are not doing justice to the truth. 🤷🏽‍♀️
@jollyjakelovell4787
@jollyjakelovell4787 Ай бұрын
Saba is *not* pronounced Saw-bah. Please keep these intriguing yet sadly not well known tales of history coming. Apologies
@luisrobles0453
@luisrobles0453 Ай бұрын
The word San in Spanish mean holy.
@jollyjakelovell4787
@jollyjakelovell4787 Ай бұрын
@@luisrobles0453 The river, which gave the name also to the county and the town, was named by the governor of Spanish Texas, Juan Antonio Bustillo y Ceballos, in 1732. He called it Río de San Sabá de las Nueces ("River of Saint Sabbas of the Walnuts"), because he and his troops had arrived December 5, the feast day of St. Sabbas (439-532), a major figure of early Christian monastic life. Santa Cruz de San Sabá Mission was established on the river in 1757. Saba is an Spanish version of the Aramaic word Sabba or Sabbas meaning old man.
@jackiemack8653
@jackiemack8653 Ай бұрын
​​@@jollyjakelovell4787Odd that if you remove the s from Sabba you have abba Beautiful facts! Thank you!
@jackiemack8653
@jackiemack8653 Ай бұрын
​@@jollyjakelovell4787Odd that if you remove the s from Sabba you have abba Thank you for great info!
@samlindsey1078
@samlindsey1078 Ай бұрын
I have never heard anybody, including people born raised in that part of the country, pronounce San Saba different from the way it is in this video.
@user-uy5zf5ck2i
@user-uy5zf5ck2i 12 күн бұрын
Please get your facts right. You said that Mrs. Todd died 5 days after been severely wounded but the remembrance stone say it is about 3 weeks.
@user-sn7pv3qy8s
@user-sn7pv3qy8s 28 күн бұрын
They were so courageous!!!!! And we, as modern day Americans, feel strongly put out when told to wear masks, temporarily, to avoid the deadly Covid pandemic.
@invictaone8514
@invictaone8514 21 күн бұрын
The masks were useless and that’s a fact so was all the other tyrannical malarkey that the bloated government came up with.
@chilltarts
@chilltarts 3 күн бұрын
Way to totally miss the “freedom” these settlers were fighting for 😂
@melanie.l6282
@melanie.l6282 6 күн бұрын
Very pretty girl Certainly not 17 too little
@melanie.l6282
@melanie.l6282 6 күн бұрын
Those stories of white women taken by Natives always very interesting accordind to others accounts Natives would always took blond or red girls and married with them Well know stories of Cyntia married to Quanah
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 29 күн бұрын
Can think of nothing worse than this im Texan and yes.....they were savages....🇨🇱😡
@makeupgirl8886
@makeupgirl8886 29 күн бұрын
How has this guy proven that this story is true. I question it because we never get anywhere close to 14 inches of snow in central Texas. Maybe, Amarillo, but not San Saba.
@user-zh8il6zh6o
@user-zh8il6zh6o 24 күн бұрын
This comment is false😮
@sherylwilson865
@sherylwilson865 15 күн бұрын
Texas gets quite a bit of snow. I live in East Texas and we've gotten over 6" in one snow storm. Plus the pan handle gets a lot.
@JoLeeR25
@JoLeeR25 21 күн бұрын
do you ever describe what the white men did to the Native men and women that caused them to be so hostile????
@unworthyhistory
@unworthyhistory 21 күн бұрын
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@nancylowe2692
@nancylowe2692 4 күн бұрын
The tribes always fought amongst themselves, stealing from each other & taking slaves, hostages, etc. When settlers started moving in & laying claim to land, it was a continuation of that behavior. They had no conception of land ownership & if they saw something they liked, they took it, whether it was a little girl with red hair or ponies. Not all tribes were so brutal & warlike, but many were.
@jacobhollar8849
@jacobhollar8849 Ай бұрын
Savages
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 29 күн бұрын
You said it ..I'm 4generation TEXAN 🇨🇱and what my Grandparents told us , they STILL remembered , would make your blood run cold ..and I won't repeat what they said ...it's sickening
@nicholejefferson6904
@nicholejefferson6904 17 күн бұрын
The wt man? Yes, and they still are!
@carolclark5776
@carolclark5776 Ай бұрын
Seems like they would start getting woke, I mean, it was over with the galling gun, cannons all that
@user-lb3hd7ip4o
@user-lb3hd7ip4o 21 күн бұрын
It was the Native Red Indians HOMELAND not your Ancestors.
@Swimkid1
@Swimkid1 19 күн бұрын
As horrid as these one-sided tales depict of the peoples who land was actively being taken by force (and repeated lies about supposed freedom). It would be good to hear both sides of the story. Regards, Dave
@normamcmanus1139
@normamcmanus1139 6 күн бұрын
It wasn’t their land either. Their ancestors walked over a land bridge from Asia. They are not native to America which meant they would have always lived in America. Not peoples who migrated from Asia.
@nancylowe2692
@nancylowe2692 4 күн бұрын
Some of them migrated from the Holy Land in 600 BC, as told in the Book of Mormon. Their descendants formed some of the tribes of Native Americans in the Northeast (Great Lakes area). DNA tests show they have Hebrew markers. ❤
@KerrieKruegner
@KerrieKruegner Ай бұрын
Unworthy histiory?im not American and I’m aware there were Indian attacks and which tribes were responsible and/or why there were attacks and what led up to there occurrence Scalped in the usual Indian fashion ? Sorry this practice was not started by the Indians Just wonder what your agenda is with the areas you concentrate on with no context in Unwirthy History
@cplmpcocptcl6306
@cplmpcocptcl6306 29 күн бұрын
That they had to be taught scalping is apocryphal. And quite insulting.
@Swimkid1
@Swimkid1 19 күн бұрын
Who taught the native homeowners may I ask? I understand this practice related to the afterlife in some way? Regards David
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