Many of us are right there with you! Everything is so dark, I see my Sundays as basking in the light of truth and peace and escape. I hate that the darkness is trying so hard to turn off our light. Congratulations on your conversion, I’m sure that in 2023 that was NOT easy. Praying for you from NV/USA!

Keep tight to the iron rod and look to Christ in all things! You'll definitely go far! Enjoy sacrament and the spirit. Mosiah 4:1-8 👍

The church has been slipping into way too liberal ideas in HMO.

@@evilisreal6896 I’m fine with being liberal when being liberal means what it used to mean. Liberal now means “a follower of Marxian ideologies and destruction dogma”. So yes, I agree sadly in many parts of the world the counterfeit gospel is being preached and accepted in the LDS church. The Book of Mormon shows this happening time and time again but I never thought I’d see it happen in my lifetime. Our poor kids. They don’t even have a chance.

@@evilisreal6896 I disagree. There are people bringing it in, but the Gospel and Doctrine is still Christ centered. Of course, the word liberal has literally no meaning today (as well as conservative). They are political labels for philosophies that have been abandoned in the public square.

Wise words from BRM: All I can say to that is that it is time disbelieving people repented and got in line and believed in a living, modern prophet. Forget everything that I have said, or what President Brigham Young or President George Q. Cannon or whomsoever has said in days past that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world. We get our truth and our light line upon line and precept upon precept. We have now had added a new flood of intelligence and light on this particular subject, and it erases all the darkness, and all the views and all the thoughts of the past. They don't matter any more. It doesn't make a particle of difference what anybody ever said about the Negro matter before the first day of June of this year [1978]. It is a new day and a new arrangement, and the Lord has now given the revelation that sheds light out into the world on this subject.

"If any man writes to you, or preaches to you, doctrines contrary to the Bible, the Book of Mormon, or the book of Doctrine and Covenants, set him down as an imposter. You need not write to us to know what you are to do with such men; you have the authority with you." Joseph Smith

"The scriptures are the standard by which to measure truth. All that we teach in this church ought to be couched in the scriptures. We ought to choose our texts from the scriptures, and wherever you have an illustration in the scriptures or a revelation in the Book of Mormon, use it, and do not draw from other sources where you can find it here in these books. We call these the standard Church works because they are standard." Harold B Lee

@KMJ-yi2lf The quote is literally saying the opposite of what you posted above. Let me continue the rest of the quote: "We have accepted the four standard works [Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price] as the measuring yardsticks, or balances, by which we measure every man’s doctrine. You cannot accept the books written by the authorities of the Church as standards in doctrine, only in so far as they accord with the revealed word in the standard works." -Joseph Fielding Smith (rest of the quote) If you continue the quote even further he clearly ties "the revelations" as the standard works.

Man cannot make clean that which god hath deemed unclean.

We're here to steel our faith, not confirm our bias. Just because you've figured things out doesn't mean all our youth have.

Your youth are having this conversation right now. Do you wanna hear how they think? Or just cross your fingers and hope they don't leave the church?

​@@WARDRADIO I tend to disagree with you on various matters, but I appreciate how you approached this. It's a conversation that has to be had at some point.

It’s time we “bake” into our zeitgeist that Paul’s simple concept. When you want to worship the creation you stop worshiping the Creator. You eat to be Vegan be Vegan worship the creation you are free to do so, however, trying to convert everyone else to creation worship to validate your choice may not be fruitful. You should be encouraged to find self validation in another avenue to support your choice. It was secretary of agriculture, Ezra Benson who said, “You are free to choose whatever you want to do, but your are not free to choose the consequences of your choice” So choose gay sealings Cardon hopefully the Father will let you legislate the consequences. The fashion is great in the telestial kingdom according to Joseph’s revelations

@@brianbacon3106 Paul also said that the second coming would be in his lifetime and that people should be celibate. Should that be "baked" in, too?

Well said. So how did the Word of Wisdom go from "not by commandment or constraint" to a binding doctrine? One that can cost a person a recommend? I know it was the teaching of a prophet, but one that added to the scripture. I would like to see the Standard Works adhered to as the standard.

There are several Bible verses describing the harm of strong drink and intoxicating herbs. This is another case where at times the Lord has been more lenient and other times where he has been more strict. It makes perfect sense to me, that the Lord would make this a more strict law in our time because of the incredible power and reach of big pharma, and mass production of drugs, alcohol, and other addictive substances. There has been no time in history where these substances are more widespread, it seems insane to me that people like you cannot see this.

Yeah, he was playing devil's advocate so well, I started to yell at him thru my cell fone, watching this episode! 🤬🤳

@@ahh-2-ahh Right?! 😂. I hear ya! I started feeling a little anxious listening to him as well 😅. I had to keep reminding myself that he's just playing the devil's advocate. But, he is right that we need to continually have conversations with our youths. So many loud angry voices competing for their attention. Such confusing times for them. They get so much of the worldly philosophies thrown at them at school, and on media, and just being a teenager trying to establish their own faith. If we, as parents don't give them the consistent gentle but firm Gospel based counsels, how can they even begin to counter all the worldly stuff that they have to deal with regularly in their young lives?

@@alicewongham3541 AMEN to that!

🎯 exactly right, glad I wasn't the only one

​@alicewongham3541 Completely agree. And it has changed so much in just the last 5 years. I feel the need to gently (but clearly and without apology) teach truth and point out the flaws of the antifamily/gender rhetoric with my 17 year old daughter, frequently. But of course teach individual love and compassion to those who are truly struggling with SSA or gender confusion. Any parent who is not having sincere discussions with their 11-30 year old children on a fairly regular basis may find their children being swayed by these false teachings. We have to combat this with truth and love. It is a loving Heavenly Father who has given us the family doctrine, the eternal family doctrine.

This is how I feel also.... But I will go and pray about it and ask the ultimate source of truth. And then make the next steps.

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He's playing devils advocate. We're not here to confirm bias but to steel our faith

@@jonahbarnes5841 as someone else aptly put elsewhere in the comments, the devil has enough advocates.

@@jonahbarnes5841 ... hello handsome fellow. Maybe he was. Steel manning a position is important. Though at times it hard to tell if that is what is being done.

No changes? From Mormon to CJCLDS. So what about the priesthood ban reverse? He church will change when ever it feels it has too.

Did he say “no changes”? There are some truths that can not change.

@@brightdaysahead382 No. That's a misrepresentation of what he said. He's talking about core principles that are deeply embedded into scrpture.

Amen! The majority of the issues the saints struggled with when Joseph Smith was living (read Saints), was due to the fact that newly converted saints wanted to incorporate previous false beliefs, cultures, habits, and traditions back into Christ's restored church. God's ways are NOT man's ways. It is US who need to change, not the other way around. This is also why other Christian religions are failing and why this church will face persecution in the end - because other faiths are listening to their congregation and trying to do what the world wants them to do. Joseph Smith taught that “a religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things never has the power sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation.” We have a prophet and belong to Christ's kingdom on earth which Daniel the prophet said that it will not be removed from this earth again. People need to let that sink in.

Well said. Just cuz intentions are good, doesn't make it correct.

do you think he will ever get to dry hump Julie's leg?

Yes, and I feel Carson went extra hard against Jacob because they have suffered some brutal L’s at the hand of Jacob - sports illustrated discussion comes to mind 😂

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@@HeartsinmelodyJacob has alpha written all over him💪🏼

​@@mickski548I'm more right wing than him ... but he still comes across as a dick. Even though I agree with him.

I suggest that he has good points, but is walking awfully close to the edge. The argument about the core Gospel concepts can't change is spot on, but his arguments about checks on the prophet are dangerous and need a much more careful discussion. That's exactly the point made by Jacob Isbell and Michelle Stone. They insist that earlier prophets went off the rails and eseentially the Church is in apostacy. I would agree there are some things that are core that a prophet trying to change would be a faith challenge, but we also have to remember there is a First Presidency and a quorum of the 12 that would all have to go along with it, and of course, each of us as members have a responsibility to gain our own wtiness.

I feel dumb for not thinking of this

​@@JaylaBee Me, too, sort of.... that's pretty deep, and will influence my thoughts about it from now on

It gets deeper. The square is also the Challis or the vessel. It is the female. It also represents the potential and the source of intelligence. The compass is the channel or the path. It also represents the truth, and it is the male. The Savior is the spirit of truth. He is the perfect example of masculinity. Together, intelligence and truth create consciousness. Consciousness is also work. And they differentiate to fill a feminine and masculine role so the process can begin at a higher level of order. There must always be a feminine and a masculine at all levels of order and creation. That is the meaning behind the compass and the square.

"Racist" is an antiwhite slur. And actually there is good reason to prefer to be with your own race. Crime against Whites is a huge problem.

This!!!!

Well, it isn’t going to be unanimous right now under Nelson and the 12 currently. After Bednar passes, I wouldn’t be so sure. Too many squishies being called which is so odd.

Good points, well made.

I pray you are right, brother. The Catholics never thought they would see blessings for gays, and the pope just greenlighted it. Anything is possible.

Bingo. There was a very concerted effort to modify culture. After the big gay/moral majority war of the 1970's, the gay community laid low for a while and leaders of the advocacy movement hired a Madison Avenue marketing firm to work to change the culture. In the 1970's, there was no desire for gay marriage - it didn't make sense - they were arguing against those formalities and backwards ideas. But the marketing firm recognized that by creating a marriage concern, they could normalize it and get sympathy from people not focused on the issue. Right around 2000, the efforts in media and print started changing to modify the culture.

And we need to measure all changes against the word of God in scripture and remember that when it comes to revealed truth in scripture he has "no shadow of turning". Any change which would allow transgender or gay sealings would be of the devil

With all due respect, doctrines do change! Nearly every significant doctrine has changed to some degree since the 1830s.

@@TheMightyJorexample?

@@WyoCutlass71 “The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time.” -First Presidency statement, August 17, 1949

@@WyoCutlass71 it used to be doctrine that polygamy was essential for exhalation.

@@TheMightyJor where was the officially taught?

Of course he is! This is a vital conversation that we either have now, or our enemies are gonna have it with our youth anyways.

@@WARDRADIOor our kids’ woke leaders, which is already happening. Great video guys!

@@WARDRADIO 💪🏻

@@dcarts5616Ding ding ding. Unfortunately, who do we so often call to be youth leaders? Young college graduates. WHo are the people being indoctrinated into the progressive radical (woke) philosophy? Yep - the young college graduates.

@@RichardChappell1 I wish it was that cut and dry. My ward, due to housing prices going from semi-affordable $270,000 four years ago to now costing over $650,000 for the same house in most cases, has ousted any chance for most young couples. We have two maybe under 30 couples and they live with their parents in rentals (as do I, my income pretty much kicks me out of my state if I was to buy a house or even rent in a non “hood” area) so these are grown a** adults in their 40’s falling for this crap and indoctrinating our youth with rainbows on their scriptures, lapels, diaper bags etc. We’re losing the battle I’m sad to say, at least in the cities.

Like laman and lemual, perhaps they have not inquired of the Lord 😂

Same!❤

Great taste!

Thanks for the feedback, Sister Barnes

The church changes and contradicts doctrine all the time and they convince you that it’s just “policy”.

But it did. Growing up in the 50’s and 60’s, the church taught as doctrine-not policy-that blacks were the seed of Cain and had a curse placed on them for being less valiant in the pre-mortal existence. When the ban was lifted in June, 1978, Elder McKonkie said in a press conference to forget everything previously said-we were wrong. Wow…they were wrong about that whole doctrine? Why didn’t the Savior correct them long before 1978? They always teach that if a prophet leads the church astray, he will be removed. That’s a lot of wrong prophets who led us astray about black people, but they lived long lives and were not removed. Many members felt betrayed and fell away. So what else might one day be changed and one of the Apostles says to forget everything they’ve said up till that moment-we were wrong. I’ve pondered and prayed on this for many years, and the answer I’ve received is to trust in the Lord. If the day comes when the prophet announces gay marriages can be sealed in the temples, I need to be ready to let go of my own previous beliefs about that, and the previous prophets’ teachings, and just trust in the Lord. My grandparents struggled when the word of wisdom which was delivered “not by way of commandment” became commandment. They were deeply troubled that the church flat out contradicted scripture. They were also upset that every prophet, including Wilford Woodruff, taught that plural marriage was required for exaltation, that God’s law of marriage was higher than the laws of the land, and plurality of wives would never be removed as a requirement of God to the church. We came from polygamy, and my grandparents were shaken when President Woodruff yielded to the pressure from government and the two Official Declarations were given, but not considered revelations-just declarations. They felt duped and betrayed that what was once taught as official doctrine was changed. They weren’t flexible and had put their faith in the prophets more than in the Lord. I remember being taught that polygamy was to help widows and orphans. That wasn’t true, as history shows. Presidents Nelson and Oaks are currently sealed to both their wives and expect to spend eternity with both. I know a great many men who believe there will be way more women than men in the CK so they’ll have many wives who will be resurrected young and beautiful, and if their current wife is upset to share him, they are selfish and not fit for the kingdom. So polygamy is STILL a big deal, contrary to Jacob’s comments here in this video. If gays can be sealed down the road, or if women are ordained, or any other change comes about, I need to be close enough to the Lord and the Spirit to not freak out and wait for confirmation that He sees things differently than we do, and His ways are not our ways. I hope I can take a deep breath and hold steady, faithful, and trusting…no matter what. He leads us along as enough of us are ready, line upon line, precept upon precept. I can’t imagine such drastic changes, but neither could my grandparents in their day. I hope I can be flexible and trust the Savior the most of all, come what may.

That's an assumption. People take the fact that the Church has disavowed all previous theories for the ban and ASSUME that must mean there was no reason whatsoever.

I had a huge struggle with Brigham. I felt he set back the church centuries in growth because of what he did and I was so angry with him and also with SO angry at God. Why would God leave BY in for so long? But I’m curious if he didn’t actually save the church by doing what he did. We know he was the reason we even exist now due to his leadership guiding the Saints west, right? I guess we had to be purged of our old Protestant and Baptist beliefs, we were a young church, who knows what would have happened if he hadn’t done what he did. It’s hard to think back to that time and read his mind, but like you said, nothing squarely points to BY being a devout KKK style racist like he’s accused of and by association the church is accused of being. We are seeing the most growth in the part of the world that had to wait for their priesthood blessing for whatever reason though, now aren’t we?

@@dcarts5616 Exactly. I can say that the anger so many have with BY is a relatively recent phenomenon. It began with the growth of the social justice movement. How much of that anger is really based on current ideologies - kind of a historian's fallacy? I wonder how many people have ever read his announcement and the talk that went with it? I suggest very few.

@@RichardChappell1 I haven’t even read it! Where is it? I have been reading a bit of his Journal of Discourse material and I like him more each time I read something he said, IN CONTEXT!

I remember reading that President Kimball was given permission to get rid of the ban AFTER pleading with the Lord for some time. It wasn’t the first time he’d asked. The idea of the ban having been a mistake appeals to us perhaps, but it doesn’t make sense in light of President Kimball’s experience?

@@Angel.A Yep. I believe it was in his book he talked about it. He was concerned about the ban and went to the Lord a number of times.

It’s almost like truth is revealed line upon line or something.

The scriptures are full of priesthood restrictions throughout time. To suggest otherwise is ignorance.

He went to a Catholic school and knows a lot about the Catholic church. I also know many LDS members feel the same way on authority, even if they had no Catholic influence. And really, that's what the Catholic/LDS difference boils down to--not the nature of the authority, but who rightfully possess it. By that alone, Christ's true church can only be the Roman Catholic Church or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Protestantism claims no living authority and thus cannot have the keys of Christ.

@@bheer98 thanks for the feedback, makes sense. They are very similar but do have some differences in the authority structure too. Thanks.

Exactly! Once you let the fox into the chicken coop, it’s over. The worst part is, those who want this change are already leaving, they will leave to leave even after, and then once the change occurs the faithful will leave because the church incorporated a doctrine of the devil and loses all credibility. The critical theorists (post modernist social Marxist doctrine of devil followers) want our destruction, that’s all. There is no normalcy because to them, chaos is normal.

Exactly. It has nothing to do with racism, and everything about gaining a tool to use to undermine the Church.

See? Someone appreciates it!

​@WARDRADIO The question is, Cardon, are you simply playing devil's advocate for the sake of discussion, or are you among those members who incorrectly believe that the doctrine of the family can change?

​@jaredshipp9207 maybe its better that we don't know Cardon's stance on this.

Opinions change. Arguments win and lose, rise and fall. But our faith in the Church doesn't explode just because someone in a chat room made a compelling rhetorical joust. Or society around its changed its mind on something. With faith, we don't need to understand everything. Thank goodness.

Perhaps. But the who WAS the what. That Israel was the Lord's chosen people. When gentiles asked Jesus for healing He initially refused, saying dogs shall not eat at the Lord's table. The Who was an essential part of the pre-Christian Law of Moses. So there was understandably some controversy.

This is what I strive for too. I pray I can be steady and faithful no matter what may become policy or change to how things have been done before. I want to be close to the Lord and the Spirit above all things.

​@@ggrace1133steady and faithful to a church which is not steady and faithful???!!! Just leave and let it burn in hell.

Exiting scouting has nothing to do with church doctrine. So I don’t consider this as “the church changed”.

No. Not at all. The CHurch merely changed how they implemented their youth development. Scouting was never a core gospel concept - the youth development is. The Church adopted Scouting because, at the time, it aligned with what we wanted to do. When Scouting changed and ceased that alignment, we really had to drop the program. I say this as a 60 year old with more than 35 years in the program, including at the region leadership level (which no longer exists, now it's National Service Territories - there's a lot of changes behind the scenes of BSA in the process) - literally my entire adult life. It broke my heart - but it wasn't the Church that broke my heart, it was the Boy Scouts of America that did it. They abandoned so many of their key principles.

​@@RichardChappell1factor in also the growing international flavor of the church where the identity of BSA only mildly applies and has positive effect

@@vendingdudes I met women from England at the BYU Women’s Conference who said (at the time I was doing scouting) the Church doesn’t do scouting there because it was required to swear loyalty (or something like that) to the queen. What makes me sad is that kids aren’t really learning the articles of faith, but I trust leadership and they are probably learning things that weren’t being emphasized in my youth. And are encouraging Home Centered.

@@vendingdudes That's really not a factor - the Church hasn't used Scouting in most of the world outside of the US. Their organizations have different standards and goals. But the point is that the change from BSA wasn't a change in doctrine or belief, just in the tools used to fulfil the need. Just as renaming Home and Visiting Teaching to ministering. It was just a different mthodology to accomplish the same Gospel principle.

It was not a mistake and no apology is ever needed. The Lord made this clear to several prophets who sought his will on the topic. It was undone when the time was right. Also, plural marriage was of God. Those who were part of it were willing to die to defend it.

⁠@@michaelhutchings6602 Really? The right time was well after the civil rights movement and all of the social pressure on the church was just a coincidence? So aspects of polygamy like wife swapping, wife assignments, polyandry were all ordained of God? You may be hoping for these things in the next life, I’m sorry you will be disappointed.

​@@Commenter2121polygamy was difficult but it wasn't Warren Jeff's FLDS polygamy. Women were free to live it or not, were free to divorce. I am a descendant of a 2nd wife. From her journals, she lived a happy life. I am sure the practice was abused by some, but for the most part it was a blessing to women, men, and children. It was a blessing to the church. It was a blessing to the world too - I'm sure there have been tens of thousands of missionaries and church leaders and community leaders that are descendants of polygamy.

This is the perfect attitude to have

Not at all. It mentions one of the reasons also mentioned in the Doctrine and Covenant. As much as the growing group in the Church, who can't emotionally handle the topic of plural marriage, want to rewrite history as well as read Jacob 2 in isolation.

@@jaredshipp9207 Doesn’t have anything to do with polygamy or emotions, but the error of proof texting. The community guidelines likely restrict “self promotion” otherwise I’d share more info on this but there isn’t room here. So respectfully disagree for the time being.

Doctrine will never change. First, we make it a policy, then we change it. Problem solved. Race the priesthood is the perfect example.

_"However, we can find examples in the church history where we adopted as doctrines some ideas that were later dropped. Adam God doctrine for instance."_ The Adam-God "doctrine" was never at any point adopted as doctrine by the Church.

@@dylanwilliams2202 , well if it was never adopted as a doctrine, why was it the part of early endowment ceremony? I think if it is taught in the temple, it must have doctrinal grounds. Of course, I am not denying that many leaders later denounced this teaching, but I also can't reconcile how this was not a doctrine having such significance for the temple ceremonies.

@@kahina937 _"why was it the part of early endowment ceremony?"_ It wasn't. If you read what is said then it doesn't say Adam is God. The most likely meaning was that Brigham was speaking of Adam in the context of him being the presiding priesthood holder over all the human family and all of us being direct descendants of Adam, and therefore "our Father and our God", similar to how Moses was called a god to Aaron and Pharaoh, which is doctrinal. The ceremony also names Elohim, Jehovah, and Michael as 3 separate individuals.

Kahina, I remember that talk saying old prophetic teachings aren't like comic books that grow more valuable with time. RMN coming in and saying to stop using the M-word (Mormon) because it's offensive to God was a teaching that flew in the face of predecessors Monson et al. who praised and encouraged we embrace it. That's just one example. Kimball's "Miracle of Forgiveness" was taken out of print and replaced with Neil Andersen's kinder, gentler "Divine Gift of Forgiveness." I think we should keep in mind the old and as you noted use them as a "check" against the new and innovative.

He said it in a press conference about a week after the announcement. Lifting the ban caused many faithful to leave the church because it had been taught as doctrine to us that blacks were cursed as the seed of Cain for being less valiant in the pre-mortal existence. Changing that “doctrine” made these members feel betrayed. They’d also taught that if a prophet led us astray, he’d be removed. But that cursed seed of Cain doctrine was taught by prophet after prophet for many generations. Now it’s called a policy influenced by the times these prophets lived during. So current prophets may be influenced by the times they’re living in too, and doctrines today may be considered policies tomorrow. Changes may come that cause more to feel betrayed and fall away. I pray I can continue to hold steady, faithful, and trusting of the Lord and His ways, come what may.

@@ggrace1133 thanks - is there a reference for this you have? I don’t see it anywhere.

The Book of Mormon says God does not change the truth and that there is no shadow of turning. We know truth 100% thru his spirit. Truth never changes. It is what it is. These changes they're talking about, if they occur (they 100% never will) would be straight from Satan and I would do my best to help everyone leave the church ... and then we'd restore it ourselves

Wow, that’s intense. ❤

When Section 89 was voted by the church in 1880 it was as “a principle with promise”. 20 years later Apostles still drank (see Thomas G. Alexander - The Word of Wisdom….). The changes afterward were administrative changes to the Church Handbook without documented revelation. The scriptures do not teach that anything like this precludes Baptism and Salvation. This is where it breaks from Doctrine of Christ. This needs to be rolled back to Joseph Smith’s revelation and leave men’s teaching out of Baptism and Salvation which only Christ can decide.

I guarantee that our 15 Apostles are continuously asked by many people, mostly members of the church, to change the same sex policy. Their answer? Nelson's and Oaks' Oct 2023 conference talks. No need for a press conference. The family proclamation is the true word of God. I wish we would canonize it as scripture.

This is an argument that is frequently made. This is a golden conversation that needs to be had in public.

Correct. I was thinking the same. Cardon is making a false analogy here. It doesn’t fly, yet he thinks it does. His “steel manning the ‘other sides’ argument” failed.

@@jonahbarnes5841ad hominem arguments are also ‘frequently’ made - it doesn’t mean they are accurate, convincing, or worth repeating.

@@jonahbarnes5841 I didn’t know that was a common argument. It just seemed so unbelievably absurd. Thanks for letting me know.

@@Heartsinmelody you're right. Let's just plug our ears and sing "la la la" while our youth are forced to have these conversations with antiMos online. Great idea

Nah. Your paid pastor wants to make money off of your ignorance.

Guess you aren’t really interested in learning the REAL unaltered lds church history. Do you think making jokes about it changes the truth?