What Can’t Grow in USDA Zone 9b, Seriously.

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What Can’t Grow in USDA Zone 9b, Seriously.

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8/27/2023 - California's Central Valley, where you can grow tropical fruit trees along side fruit trees that require high levels of chill hours.

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@LanNguyen-wy4un 2 ай бұрын

Guava, the gateway drug for growing tropical fruit trees. 😂 That is exactly what happened to me. Now I'm hooked and addicted and that's why I'm watching your videos and learning from you at 5:30 AM.

@TropicalCentralValley 2 ай бұрын

Thank you. You’ll see, but your tropical fruit trees will only get better over time.

@anndrake492 Күн бұрын

This is a revelation! Thanks.

@TropicalCentralValley 16 сағат бұрын

Thank you.

@pepegapapaya Жыл бұрын

that's crazy your seed grown papaya in 2 months is bigger than my seed grown papaya that is over a year old now. I'm growing it in a container in Missouri so it goes dormant in winter and has less resources because it isn't in the ground, but still so crazy the difference. great food forest brotha

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

I concur. All of the papaya seedlings shown in the background are also 2 months old as well. Once in the ground, they explode in growth.

@longhairmullet 10 ай бұрын

Ya plants need to be in the earth

@rockers7889 Жыл бұрын

Over 30 years ago when I planted my Elberta peach and Satsuma plum trees , the local nursery was selling cherry and Asian pear trees too . I know the cherry wouldn't do well here in 10b because we dont get enough chill hrs . The same with the Asian pear as a neighbor tried one but removed it because it didn't do much . After having such great crops of these Satsuma plums and peaches , I didn't think much about tropicals. Then my next door neighbor planted a mango seed and papaya from store fruits . Wow he had great success. The mango tree has the best mangoes. He replaced the papaya tree with an avocado tree that now does well (that's a separate story) So now that I know we can grow most anything, except a high chill hour tree . I just turned 65 and going on 5th year of congestive heart failure . My fear is taking care of the trees . Currently I work on whatever needs to be done . Its hard to find people to help me at $15 hr . That's about all I can afford . I did find a church friend 72 that does a meticulous job and my kids classmate 15 that grew up on their grandparents Michigan farm , but hes back to school. Anyways brick by brick and everything is finite are my mottos. I'm afraid to plant to many slow growing seed trees but still do it . I guess we food foresters cant resist the gamble or chance to grow a great fruit tree from seed . You are blessed with good health and are young . Keep the videos coming

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Thank you. It’s always a true statement when folks say they’re planting trees for the next generation. Many of my tropical fruit trees will survive hundreds of years, benefiting the next generation.

@longhairmullet 10 ай бұрын

Funny how so many people say you can’t grow from the seed of fruits , perhaps that is true for citrus , apples things that need to be grafted. Otherwise the fruit is of poor quality not like the one you purchased to eat but smaller or off flavor like a crab apple..maybe tropical fruits are different? Mango, avocado, kiwi, guava, banana all grow I know. Just haven’t tried from the fruits seed.

@TropicalCentralValley 10 ай бұрын

I’m not aware of folks advising against the idea of growing any trees from seed, as this is perhaps the most natural process of plant propagation. Depending on the fruit and variety in question, it is true that not all fruits and varieties are true to seed, which may not be a bad thing. That said, I don’t think I have ever eaten a bad tasting mangosteen.

@StanTheObserver-lo8rx Жыл бұрын

Picked my first full sized green Mango today in the 10a bay area. The wife likes them green. I will wait until they get sweet next month.

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

That’s awesome. Depending on the variety, some may taste better when green and unripe. I know folks out there that slice the green mango into french fry slices and dip it into a chili solution for added taste.

@alastairwilliams9550 Жыл бұрын

Garden is looking great. Can you please do a video showcasing all your garcinias? Love to see all the different ones your growing

@TropicalCentralValley 11 ай бұрын

Thank you. I do find many Garcinias aren’t a fan of our direct summer sun, as their foliage gets sizzled easily. It may be next year until I do a video covering them as I do want them to go through multiple summers and winters before sharing my experience.

@l_alvarez_1k Жыл бұрын

My kryptonite is chayote believe it or not. The 6 yrs I’ve had my front yard garden, I’ve not been successful in growing a chayote vine past about 3 feet. This year I just didn’t even try.😢

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

That’s interesting. I’d keep trying, perhaps with a different growing medium?

@FrankTrask95 8 ай бұрын

This inspires me to work on my front yard. I have a complete blank slate

@TropicalCentralValley 8 ай бұрын

Thank you. It’s all about the creation of a microclimate.

@GreenJustin8 Жыл бұрын

I'm amazed at the amount of chill hours you get. In Phoenix we only get about 300.

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Yeah, unfortunately we get the winter Tule fog which adds to the cold.

@garyhowery1981 Жыл бұрын

this so awesome im interested in doing a fruit forest on my moms property and we are only 40mins away from you!

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Yeah, we’re able to grow just about anything. If you or your family enjoy the taste of various tropical fruits, I’d give growing them a try.

@garyhowery1981 Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley yessir we are trying to find consultants who can help us with making the food forest a reality do you have any cuttings or seeds I could buy off of you?

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, I do not sell any of my tropicals. If you’re nearing the Los Angeles region, there are actually a good number of tropical fruit tree nurseries in the area. May be worth the day trip down there.

@garyhowery1981 Жыл бұрын

Well I had to try lol Thank you so very much I look forward to seeing more of your videos

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@themangovista Жыл бұрын

The fruit is the bonus. I concur 👍

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Yes, definitely. I’m just happy to be able to grow these in my region.

@dualsportdadz 11 ай бұрын

What an awesome example set here. If we all did something a little like this we could really help the climate situation. I can't wait until my children are older so I can kill my lawn in the back and grow a little food forest like you have. Sacramento here, the central valley is the incredible. But, you made me think that I currently have a spot for another fruit tree and maybe another trellis for some kiwi.

@TropicalCentralValley 11 ай бұрын

Thanks. The best trees were ones planted 25 years ago, but it’s never too late.

@ddennis6398 9 ай бұрын

Great content 😊

@TropicalCentralValley 8 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@Genesis--me8ud Жыл бұрын

Ok I’ll check back on these exotic fruit trees in a year to see how far it have grown - any updates on the caimito (vu su) fruit ?

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

All of my caimito trees are doing great. I have plans to do a future video dedicated to the topic of growing caimito fruit trees.

@joweb1320 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Love how you eat throughout the video and spread seeds! What kind of water bill do you have?

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Last year, I made a dedicated video that covers the topic of watering, including my overall water usage. How to Water Your Tropical Fruit Trees ( DO NOT DEEP WATER ) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLOGlNaVsNuWdZc.html

@joweb1320 Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley I rewatched it. Good information. Thanks!

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

You’re very welcome. My water bill has actually gone down a bit this year thanks to all the rain.

@Victora-tb2ri Жыл бұрын

9a coastal texas sucks, bad caliche, strong winds, crazy hear and unexpected 11 degrees coldsnap

@Yellowfin2na Жыл бұрын

I second this statement. Every year I get the freeze anxiety.

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I hear you. Every now and then, you guys make the national news about the extreme freezes.

@Victora-tb2ri Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley oh wow didnt know we were famous😂 yeah its was the second worst freeze in a hundred years. Before than we couldve been reliably a 9b maybe a 10a. Just every 40 years. Whats your annual precipitation

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I had a Texas subscriber who had decided to put most of his tropicals in the ground the year prior, then you guys had that once in a lifetime freeze, down to 17°F I believe. Hopefully it doesn’t happen here, as no amount of microclimate will help.

@Victora-tb2ri Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley oh yeah god willing, its happens once every blue moon, we got down to 17 degrees last winter too. It was also one of the coldest winters recorded. Killed my papayas. We use to have alot of oranges and papayas over here especially near the houston and corpus area

@trentonduke5199 Жыл бұрын

Coconut is my favorite, I’m here in San Diego and I’m trying to grow one but I’m worried it won’t last

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

The Yellow Malayan coconut is purported to be quite cold hardy, however, I opted out of growing them as coconuts can be obtained easily (and cheaply) from just about any grocery stores.

@AliAhmed-wh8um Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValleyyou should give it a try, would be interesting to see how they do there. Nevermind the fruit, but the palm itself if so beautiful.

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

I may in the future. One of the issue I have with the growing of coconut palms is the space they take up, which I am absolutely out of in my yard.

@Caltrain208 11 ай бұрын

I'm going to try growing a coconut palm in pacific beach

@TropicalCentralValley 11 ай бұрын

That’s awesome. Please keep us posted on the progress.

@AMAOG78191 11 ай бұрын

What tropical trees would tolerate flood irrigation? Our yard that fills with water about 9in and takes about 12hrs to soak in.

@TropicalCentralValley 11 ай бұрын

Assuming your soil is arable, just about all tropical fruit trees will be fine. Bear in mind, many tropical fruit trees are used to flooding conditions in the Amazon forest and the jungles of Southeast Asia.

@duriancacaoboy964 Жыл бұрын

Where are you in zone 9b? That zone covers a lot of area in Florida. I'm in Clearwater/palm harbor area. I too have durian. But kept in pots to control all conditions if possible. Just planted mangosteen seeds. Unfortunately I know take long time to grow to tree size. I've been growing 20 years.

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Visalia, CA. Smack right in the middle of California’s Central Valley. Or about 2,600 miles from your location. Some of the challenges are unique to California, such as the lack of humidity.

@RomanianGrower Жыл бұрын

Hey,i've talked to a guy here where i live and he said his mangosteen and durian that he planted from seed fruited only after 5 years .I can even confirm it. So that concludes that not every information online is corect.Same rhing with lychee

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

That’s interesting. This is hopeful. True, I would take any information you find online with a grain of salt. There’s just too many variables with trees.

@genejaytre 7 ай бұрын

How far apart do you plant your trees?

@TropicalCentralValley 7 ай бұрын

It depends, but I have some about 6 inches apart. Most are a few feet apart.

@LukeOranje Жыл бұрын

It’d be cool to see you try growing an achacha. Supposedly one of the best tasting mangosteen relative. They’re all over the place down here at LA tropical nurseries. A new (to us) and exciting fruit is Luc’s garcinia - incredibly slow growing, but also supposedly cold hardy and delicious. I found mine on Etsy from a reputable dealer. I also got misled by the imposter lemon mangosteen…but it died anyways. As always, thank you for sharing your experiences with us!

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

I actually do have an Achacha growing in the ground. They’re not a fan of my direct summer sun.

@LukeOranje Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley Oh, I had to have missed that in your tours! Do you have it in direct sun? Mine is in a container in partial sun down here in the IE. The shaded part is actually not growing, but the part that gets sun is!

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

This may be specific to my climate, but mine is in shade the majority of the day. It gets filtered sun during the day time. I find that when it gets direct sun, the foliage gets sizzled.

@mgs721 Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley I've got an Achacha too and it is definitely not thriving in the L.A. summers or winters. Still alive though. No fruit yet.

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

They are among one of the slower growing tropicals. Something about being in the mangosteen family, they’re all relatively slow growers.

@longhairmullet 10 ай бұрын

Maybe you could go over your irrigation. I see you have sprayers on some areas. You have so many plants everywhere how do you water?

@TropicalCentralValley 10 ай бұрын

I have covered this topic in previous videos. Specific to the care of tropical fruit trees, they NEED consistent water supply, as in their native climate, it rains just about every day.

@TV-yj9mh Жыл бұрын

Nice, I bought rambutan and lychee ate and grow just like you i have bunches growing right now . How long do you think they will bear fruit from seed? Nice video brother

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

That’s awesome. Rambutan, about 5 years. Lychee, about 10 to 25 years. For this reason, I recommend obtaining an air layered lychee tree.

@TV-yj9mh Жыл бұрын

That what I was think about lychee I have 4 longans bought 2 from champa nursery and 2from Etsy all air layer. The lychee seeding I was thinking to grafted to a longan In couple year I think they will work because longan and Lychee they are same family

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Although both are relatives of each other, I don’t know that they’re compatible. That said, I am aware of an individual purporting to have grafted a lychee scion onto a longan rootstock. It’d be a nice project.

@adamhalloran4597 Жыл бұрын

What are you favorite trees/plants to create micro climate when starting? Not just to protect from sun but cold.

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

I’d definitely use the jamun as they are super fast growing and tolerates the frost and sun. You’ll want to add bamboo as well, to used as a wind breaker.

@longhairmullet 10 ай бұрын

I’ll have to look up “Jamun?” I want to put a banana in front of main arched front window of Spanish style house but it will be solo planting no shade here in Visalia. Both Banana and large birds of paradise grown fast and lots of pups. I know birds can tolerate heat.. not sure about banana?

@longhairmullet 10 ай бұрын

Bamboo spreads so rapidly, hard to control. Runners will pop up in neighbors yard

@TropicalCentralValley 10 ай бұрын

Just about all tropical fruit trees can handle full direct sun, including banana plants. There are certainly exceptions.

@TropicalCentralValley 10 ай бұрын

I’m not aware of any clumping style bamboo being invasive. I suspect you are referring to the running style bamboo and if so, I would advise against putting those in the ground.

@mgs721 Жыл бұрын

I am addicted to guavas. I have several types; red Malaysian, tropical pink. white Thai, Mexican cream, strawberry and lemon. My strawberry and lemon are about 10 feet apart, so same soil, sun and water conditions, my lemon cranks out the fruit, but every year the strawberry cranks out the flowers but they all fall off before fruiting! I've never gotten a single one! ANy ideas?

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

That’s quite a collection. It’s hard to say, but the tree may simply not be ready. As I recall, my strawberry guava started setting fruits in years 2 in the ground.

@StanTheObserver-lo8rx Жыл бұрын

Mulch,it sounds like they go dry between waterings.

@mgs721 Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley Thanks, maybe. I did get more flowers this year than last, so maybe it is maturing and next year I'll actually get some fruit?

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

I would keep doing what you’re doing. The tree will produce when it feels the conditions are right. And when it produces, it produces. It’s a very productive tree.

@sunnydayz4040 Жыл бұрын

Are the big elephant ear/taro plants you have near your front door edible? If yes do you know what kind you have?

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

They are, though I do not know what type they are. I have them planted to provide shade protection to nearby bushes and smaller trees.

@50kT Жыл бұрын

With that much leaf cover for the ground, do you get problems with slugs and snails? My house I just let the leaves sit to help the soil stay alive (I'm zone 9b northern central valley), but I get ton of slugs and snails, and a TON of pincher bugs too. Also a separate issue is orchard cockroaches, we have 15 fruit trees (citrus, stone fruit, loquat, fig, olive) but this feeds the orchard cockroaches I'm assuming. Just wondering if you have a routine for dealing with slugs mainly, and pincher bugs.

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

I do, and welcome the primary decomposers. Without these bugs and insects mulching on fallen fruits and the occasional fruit scrape, my soil likely will not be as welcoming for tropical fruit trees. Although we have an instinct to kill them, they very much prefer to stay outside, where there’s plenty of food for them.

@50kT Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley Cool thanks! I've been doing that too, chop and drop. Let the life develop as it wants to. Take care! Also, do you ever get hundreds of pincher bugs crawl up on your house walls (exterior) when it rains? That happened last winter and when I open the sliding door they would fall down on me, I think I should remove the leaf litter than is on the side of the house, and only let the leafs stay where I need the bugs to be.

@TropicalCentralValley 11 ай бұрын

I do not. I have a pretty good buffer (concrete patio) between my house and my yard. This seems to keep the bugs away from my house, even when it rains.

@50kT 11 ай бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley 👍Ok this is what I need, create a dry barrier around the house. Blessings to you sir!

@TropicalCentralValley 11 ай бұрын

You’re very welcome.

@staciep2638 3 ай бұрын

What about star apples?

@TropicalCentralValley 3 ай бұрын

They grow, but will need some frost protection when young. Mine has been doing great.

@staciep2638 3 ай бұрын

Do you know of anybody growing them here in south California?

@staciep2638 3 ай бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley has it flowered yet?,how do I protect it from the winter frost?,im thinking of planting it at the side of my house between two walls.It still gets full sun but I want to protect it from wind. It’s in a pot,young,7 feet tall!

@TropicalCentralValley 3 ай бұрын

If you’re nearing the Los Angeles region, there’s actually a good number of tropical fruit tree nurseries in the area. Here’s some videos I did touring some of them: Champa Nursery - Spring 2022 Tour kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pZdddMeYzJuoe4U.html Emily Garden Nursery - Spring 2022 Tour kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ndRhfaea35PWmXU.html Mimosa Nursery - Spring 2022 Tour kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8x_gLKE2NureaM.html As for winter protection, you may want to check out my recent videos that touched on this topic. Although frost sensitive, in Southern California, your climate only gets cold, unlike mine where we routinely get 26°F.

@staciep2638 3 ай бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley oh thank you so much,I’m too starting my tropical garden,I’m Jamaican!!

@SoulSeeker770 7 ай бұрын

Where are you at?

@TropicalCentralValley 7 ай бұрын

California’s Central Valley, specifically Visalia, CA.

@SoulSeeker770 7 ай бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley There are so many variables when it comes to planting tropical fruit trees. I have lost so many.

@TropicalCentralValley 7 ай бұрын

I agree. There’s the soil/water pH, soil drainage, frost/sun/wind protection, insect/microorganisms/mycorrhizal requirements just to name a few.

@ZE308AC Жыл бұрын

Do you ever paint the trunk of certain trees with lime wash?

@ZE308AC Жыл бұрын

What should I do if my avocado tree has the trunk burn on one side of the tree and is peeling the outer bark layer?

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Yes, I do paint my more sensitive tropical fruit trees such as mango and avocado with a product from IV Organic. You’ll want to paint the trunk of any exposed or sun damaged with a horticultural paint.

@user-kn5yt8wx6z Жыл бұрын

Hey mate im in Australia 9b aswell and would like to chat i also collect tropical fruit trees in pots

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

That’s awesome. I’m reachable via Instagram at TropicalCentralValley. Earlier in the year, I made a dedicated video covering the topic of the growing of tropical fruit trees in containers. I’m not sure how applicable the video is in your climate, but much of the information should be relevant. Growing Tropical Fruit Trees in Containers kzfaq.info/get/bejne/irF8iNx_l-CueIk.html

@1239marcos Жыл бұрын

Have you tried growing mountain soursop i have a few and my potted soursop still alive at 5 years no fruit yet

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

I have not. I’ve not seen the tropical fruit tree nurseries carry them.

@1239marcos Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley i got mine online on esty last year they survived in my unheated greenhouse with little to no frost damage

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

That’s awesome. I tend to shy away from online merchants for many of my tropical fruit trees and prefer to visit onsite nurseries.

@1239marcos Жыл бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley there a few that have nurserys in la and on esty for shipping

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Nice

@walterthompson2195 Жыл бұрын

Do you have a Madrono?

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

I do not. I suppose the closest would be the achacha I have growing in the ground.

@westingband Жыл бұрын

coffee?

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

No, thanks. My preferred stimulant is tea.

@ZE308AC Жыл бұрын

Imposter mangosteen

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

Still technically a mangosteen I suppose.

@mauriciodiaz1310 Жыл бұрын

Rambutan I did not like. Many people like it I didn't like the taste. Lychee was alot better

@TropicalCentralValley Жыл бұрын

I’ve not had any bad tasting rambutan. All of the super fresh ones tastes great, same with lychees as well.

@mauriciodiaz1310 11 ай бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValleymy real question is do mangos keep the fruit. I'm in a group on face book norther california mango growers and most are losing all there fruit. So with ur experience due to heat do mangos also drop and do u at least keep a few??? Do they stay on tree until ripped???

@mauriciodiaz1310 11 ай бұрын

I kno manilla mango do well but wat about other varieties???????

@TropicalCentralValley 11 ай бұрын

Although from experience, the Manila is perhaps one of the easier mango trees to grow, once in the ground or container for a few years, regardless of the variety, the mango tree has no issues producing and holding onto its fruits. For example, my Corriente and Pickering mango trees have no problem holding onto their fruits. In fact, I’m just waiting for the fruits to ripen on the vine before picking them.

@mauriciodiaz1310 11 ай бұрын

@@TropicalCentralValley gives me great hope thank you