Try Sal at What's Up With Shipping. Chief knows him.

Yeah, Sal

he spews just as much nonsense as the rest of them... he has no idea what happened and more fool you for not realising that.

Whats Going on With Shipping is a great info center.

Why's everyone so tribal on who's the better expert lmao

Chief Makoi knows from experience and a cool Chief

I'm not a Marine Propulsion Specialist .. but I did stay at a Holliday Inn last night.

I’m an electrical engineer with a sub specialty of emergency power generation and SCADA controls. For over 30+ years now, I’ve worked mostly in the design of emergency power systems for public safety dispatch centers, communications system infrastructure, hospital and healthcare locations and other facilities. For the past 35+ years, I’ve also been a volunteer firefighter/paramedic with heavy/technical rescue and extensive USAR team participation. There are four “KZfaq engineers” that I tend to trust the most for such incidents. Forensic Analysis and Engineering / Casey Jones - Engineer / Building Integrity (and Chief Makoi for maritime matters). Excellent analysis. Thank you.

I was on the Enterprise CVN65 back in the 80's. In the Machinists berthing was right above the #1 prop and as we were doing a flank bell landing planes I was in my bunk not paying any attention to the familiar rumble of the ship doing 35+ knots. There was a card game on the deck between bunks and for about 5 to seven seconds there was sudden strange actual silence of the ship and then a weird bump sensation and a low thump noise and then the sound of the prop going but it was wonky. Every body playing and sleeping asked a sheepish what was that? Someone joked we had hit a whale. Then we started getting reports of flooding on the back 2/3 of the ship. Turns out we had skimmed over and struck Bishops rock. We were lucky had something like an 800 ft crease down the hull, including like 270 ft of opened hull, several condensers and seawater coolers were full of rock, and some nicely broke and bent propellers. We were lucky we didn't have to go swimming or worse. I will always remember the lack of sound as we hit the rock. If it had been a Hollywood movie I am sure there would have been lots of crashing and grinding noise, but the violence our ship suffered was mostly quiet as a mouse.

sailor*

Has the NTSB come with something yet? After more than a week with all the crew and ship available, they should have found something?

​@@DR_1_1they start by just gathering data and interviews. They have a policy of not analysing anything until that is finished. And they don't tell us anything until they've finished analysing. We probably won't hear anything for months.

Myself I'm an ex USN snipe, or more exacting an Engineman not a BT(boiler tender). Both steam turbines and diesel engines need sufficient time to come up to load carrying temperatures. With that in mind, why wasn't the auxiliary diesel running operational before the ship left the dock. Also anyone trying to use the excuse that tug escorts adds to much cost for the delivery of goods is GREEDY or STUPID.

​@@DR_1_1They may or may not release everything to the public! It may take years before they are forced to disclose the TRUTH!

@@adrianthoroughgood1191 You know this is not a plane crash with everything burned or destroyed, right? Interviews and data can be recorded in a few days, why would it take months? Administrative work? Making up a story that is acceptable for the general public???

As a retired Marine Engineer with many voyages on large container ships, I agree. The chief obviously knows his business.

You're making me blush! 😊

How do you know it was an "accident"?

@@stevetaylor8298 Is my opinion, yes, I also saw comments related to the lights that appeared on the bridge when the beams broke, on the lower beams of the bridge there were also electric cables that ensured the lighting of the bridge, but it is possible that the electricity company also used the bridge to cross with power lines, so obviously when they broke, those electrical discharges appeared that looked like microexplosions, it should be noted that those flashes of light appeared after the bridge broke and not before, as they appear in controlled demolitions, but for fans of the sensational, it doesn't matter. I remain of the opinion that it was an accident, possibly the causes that led to the loss of control were caused by improper maintenance of on-board equipment or "unfortunate" decisions such as switching to heavy fuel earlier or an intervention in the electrical panel of the generators at that very moment when losing control for a minute was fatal, but shitt happens

@@stevetaylor8298 >How do you know it was an "accident"? How do you know it *wasnt* an accident? Ship loses power (with black smoke pouring out of the stack, not a good sign at any point), veers into the bridge. If there was intentional sabotage it's going to be pretty obvious. More often than not, this is called "negligence". Untrained employees, poorly maintained ships, etc. Infact, evidently the ship's been losing power *repeatedly* in the past, including while docked...

@@stevetaylor8298 If a terrorist organization or group wanted to make a terror attack on the bridge, they wouldn't plan for something to happen in the middle of the night where traffic and casualty count would be the lowest. Terrorists go for maximum casualty count and shock value.

Him and this are the only that know what they're talking about. Everyone else is hot air.

Same.

@@jamesowens7176 mop

Was it Sal who suggested that there may have been a significant flow of water from a deep channel to the rear Starboard side that made the ship swing as it did?

Ditto

As a Navy vet- what a great wealth of info. Thanks, Chief!

mechanical overload, or sudden application of full electrical load.The four main generators are each the size/power of a large locomotive engine.

@@liam3284 medium speed 2 stroke engine

it goes to show that this sort of thing can happen that a cargo ship can loose power and hit a bridge and the number of times that this has happened is shockingly few and far between since it almost never happens due to the number of issues that have to happen in the correct sequence of events for it to happen

This guy knows his stuff. Not the average KZfaqr lol

Sal been tossing chief name out left and right so cool = see the respect

I just posted the link to the Chief's video on my site.

My default go to experts are - If it floats' Chief or Sal. If it flies Juan or Hoover. It is always nice to hear from people at the top of their game.

Chief, Sal, and Joe Franta are the best

They are my ONLY trusted sources. THANK YOU, Professor Mercagliano👍 and Chief Makoi.👍 👏👏👏

black smoke hints at it being fuel related due to dirty fuel

My question is: the simulation shows the ship on track going straight into the channel. So why didn’t the ship’s momentum continue to carry it on course between the bridge pilings instead of making the sharp turn to starboard thereby striking the bridge support after losing power. Even if the ship was encountering a sideways drift from currents as it approached the bridge, the helmsman would already have the helm in a position to overcome those side forces. So wouldn’t the helm and the rudder stayed in that position even if they had lost steering?

@@edwinschwartz2472 and how do you know that is were it's momentum was taking it?

kind of surprised by the design. having the main engine producing its own power and being able to maintain operation would seems far much sensible. having 1 switchboard for that and having a more powerful emergency generator able to restart the main engine would seems safer. mixing non-critical power and essential power in the main switchboard is kind of asking for trouble. (having the ability to reroute non-critical power to help also makes sense.) as the chief points out: it takes so much time to isolate and restart that the simulator scenarios are essentially no win scenarios. second trouble is: the design choice of having a very small rudder using the stream of the prop to be effective (even at reasonable speeds) and no battery based emergency power to bridge the gap for starting the emergency generator also seems risky. the real question is: if they need to pay up in ful for all damages, this likely goes beyond the insurance cover. that then would make it worthwhile to invest in better redundancy. but i think they rather keep the cargo rates down, and let the taxpayer fund the rest of the bill.

Exactly

An excellent explanatory video. Thank you Chief.😀🇬🇧

@captziggy1 In the engine room, we have our procedures to do our best to respond as quickly as possible. On the bridge, you are essentially along for the ride except for your calls for tugs and the use of your anchors. I can't fathom the stress that was on the bridge that night. I've been on a vessel that lost steering in a tight area before. Fortunately, it was isolated to a pump and we were able to get the other one online quickly. But the radar plots that day were informative. You see our ship's track go super squirrely. You see every other vessel anywhere near us make clear and obvious maneuvers to stay far away from us. I distinctly remember a RO/RO that usually raced to the pilot pickup point stopping all forward momentum and turning away, giving us the entire area to get straightened out. Fortunately, all of our emergency procedures worked that day. 😊 I've managed to avoid experiencing a dark ship during operations. I've only had to be a part of an intentional one during casualty control testing.

@Denis….EXCELLENT observation: Thank you for recognizing the Chief’s impressive communication and teaching skills.

Spock would give you 2 thumbs up if that was in the vulcan doctrine, outstanding and thank you.

Indeed! As a retired shipboard marine engineer officer I find it crazy, as you said, No escort (I assume we're talking tugs) in my day we had tugs standing by when passing through delicate infrastructure, what speed was the bloody thing doing??? I have been on a ship that totally blacked out due to Bad fuel, we had water in the Diesel bunkers, the generators ran on Diesel The main engine on HFO but we usually manoeuvred on Diesel and changed the ME over to HFO after full away on passage, So whilst manoeuvring in Port, including departure, everything was on Diesel, we had shit loads of water in the Diesel fuel, even though luckily! we were Full Away and the ME was on HFO the gennys were on DFO as was normal All the time, All your ME auxiliary equipment on these ships rely on power from the generators, (usually @ 415 volt 3 phase @ 60 Htz) if that goes down everything goes down! You have no ME Lub Oil pumps, No Jacket CW pumps, No SW CLG pumps, No Fuel circ pumps, No Piston CLG pumps (if seperate from JCW) nothing! I'm sure I've forgotten something?! Anyway Sweet FA so your Main Engine(s) are shut down, we were luckily well out into the wide Blue yonder when disaster struck, long story short we got it all sorted and carried on, nice! But this! In Port confines, No Tugs??? Everything still on Diesel for Std By??? What about the "Merry men" up in the bow ready to let the pick go??? Oh we couldn't drop the pick we were going to fast! WTF speed was she doing! 8 knots! A ship that size at 8 knots in harbour confines! That's too bloody fast!!! I'm really looking forward to the results of the Enquiry on this! I'm not a smart Arse just an Old lowly 3EO from British Merchant Navy 70s and 80s Stay Safe Guys

Love the admiral's sense of humor. 😅😂

Awesome story!❤

Perfect name...

Sounds like you had a great dad.

You had a wonderful and wise father.

My pleasure!

@@ChiefMAKOi I was wondering when are you going to make the Dali incident... lol

Thanks very much for your insight Chief 👍

5-Stars! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

Thanks Sal!

Thanks for recommending him, Sal. You're a legend. 😎

I appreciate yr explanations - but there seems to have been a problematic time lag after the 1st pwr loss - with reports that the main computer had to boot back up, but their standby/emergency pwr gen(s) shud have provided instantaneous pwr to the computer without a need to boot back up ! Something fishy.

After the bridge collapsed why were not recorded statements taken by proper authorities ot each crew member as well as the 2 pilots - why talk of written statements (that are subject to being altered/revised after due deliberation with their own legal advice) months from now???

I was an electrical operator. Yeah, when all the motors/ fans start coasting down and the lights go out, your heart beat jumps way up. "Gotta keep the lights on and things going roundy-round." Chief Makoi gives a good explanation of the layout of things and some plausible points of the failure.

​@@mikefochtman7164 A ship that I worked aboard had an exposed lube oil pump for the main engine. My Chief Engineer introduced himself. Then he took me down to the bottom of the engine room. Then he pointed and said, "Never get that wet. It will cause it to slip. It will cause an interruption in the pressure. The main engine has a sensitive low lube oil pressure sensor and alarm. And as the alarm is going off, the main engine will already begin a main engine emergency shutdown procedure." Months later, I'm about to leave the ship. The Chief comments that I was the first engineer to have never tripped that alarm or accidentally got the pump wet. My reply, "Well Chief, You told me not to, so I didn't." I received the biggest belly laugh in reaction. On that trip, the 2nd accidentally kept a petcock open too long during a test and set off all of those alarms. We were able to respond to the alarms and keep the engine going. I never want to experience those alarms again.

Thank you.

@@glennoverhoff6589 thank YOU for all the critical, unseen work you have done. 👍🏆

It is possible to be criminally negligent without meaning anyone any harm. We don't know yet if that is what happened.

This I hate to say, is not all about the dead road crew workers and the feeeeelings of the "victim families" the illegals left in other countries or the crew.. It's about a very consequential accident, with billions in damage that could have been spent on other work of more benefit, and another big American failure. We have gotten into a bad habit of looking at disasters as only mattering in proportion to number of dead people from a disaster. Not cost, dislocations, insurance issues, how the favored get forgiven disaster assistance loan that the unfavored lowly masses are not given forgiveness on. Or in war, focus only on miracle game changing billion dollar war toys the MIC makes and Dead American Heroes!. No focus on cost, the harm of constant war deployments on families and soldiers and sailors , the Armed Forces high suicide rates, failure of adequate for dependents, health care the wounded and hurt inc. the forever maimed and disabled troops.

@@1chrisford how is this an American failure? The ship was not owned or registered to an American interest. If the fuel was contaminated, we don't know how or where the contaminants got into it. The American pilots were not under the influence of any substances... How is this an American failure?

My thought exactly! A true expert in his field with the ability to communicate his knowledge to people who aren't in his field. All I have heard prior to this is some really crazy conspiracy theories.

what rubbish he has absolutely no idea at all what happened

​​@@bushmanphotos ahh, he simply explains what can cause this to happen because he is a chief engineer on a ship of this size. He knows exactly what he's talking about, and understand how a ship can react in various conditions. but like he said in the video it's all still just guessing until the official report comes out. There is absolutely no reason for you to be rude.

Actually, this was a planned event. The agent of chaos, a splinter cell of international terror, rigged the systems to cause this exact string of events. Very good planning and perfect execution, that person is now saying " I love it when a plan comes together.". Sad to say, the above statement almost makes sense. We all know that this is an accident, with someone, somewhere, making a mistake. But talk about the worst case in the worst place at the worst time. I do like Chief coverage and viewpoints, they are very valid.

@@oldfarthacksPut your tinfoil hat back on, go stand, quivering, in the corner and wait for the mothership to come and collect you. 🥷

You are very welcome

Have a great video ❤

That is quiet true. A seafaring friend of mine found it very difficult to get to sleep when on shore-leave. The throbbing sound of a low revving engine is most comforting to listen to, just like a journey on a train where you hear the clackity-clack while drifting off to sleep.

@@goinghomesomeday1 Indeed very true!

22 years in the navy did that to me, I had 3 minutes to tend to gyros after a power failure. The most comforting thing was the sound and feel of #2 emergency DG starting up 10 feet above my head.

Oh yes! Long ago I sailed on a 25' sloop much farther than an idiot kid (i.e. me) should have been able to get away with unscathed. When anchored out and the anchor's well set, there's a fore-and-aft rhythm and sound of the waves that is very relaxing to fall asleep to. But if the anchor drags, the boat goes beam-on to the waves so you're rocking more subtly side-to-side and there isn't that distinctive slap any more. That would wake me up instantly, as dragging an anchor can quickly put you aground so there's work to do ASAP. And then for a month after on dry land I'd find myself waking up in the middle of the night with my heart racing.

That quote is up there with Capt Ramsey's “I don’t trust air I can’t see.”! 😂 Chief Makoi is a salty sea dog, he knows what's up with that vessel (now wreck). He didn't specifically point fingers, but you know he knows (hint: black smoke. wink! wink!)

Experts in the media who have never crossed a gangway, could tell you the circumference of a jam jar but not know how to open it 😂

I agree. So many are total bs. There are a few other good ones. I found my way here from Sal who also does TV interviews at times but is actually a professor and KZfaqr

I'd trust his opinion over my government's expert's about this issue anytime

What did the "incompetent " government do to contribute to this disaster? Do you expect them to be expert in every situation and be ready on the spot every time? Wishful thinking. At least you didn't blame President Biden.

How is the for profit media the government? The more you get mad the more money you make. Stop listening to their opinion and get facts. Chief, Sal from what’s going on with shipping and Esysman are the best period!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Agreed. I knew you would fill in the gaps of information.

He even covered possible prop walk too! But reverse can’t happen unless the engine is running in reverse. This a an excellent analysis of what probably happened.

It now a fact, that the Dali lost generator power repeatedly ,at dock being loaded, over several days. Not too surprising then,that electrical power was lost soon after leaving dock+ hitting bridge. It's Murphys Law,and every experienced mechanic knows how that goes. The theory is that refrigerated containers,loaded onboard, were tripping generator (s) for some reason. Makes sense that repairs to generator weren't effective.

Other than "cold, dark, and quiet" passing "Cease all pumping, cease all pumping" over the 1MC will give Engineering Dept and the other khakis a cold chill.

I tried watching Two bit da vincs video on the subject, just because I was curious how he would explain it. I only got 1 minute into that video, then I couldn't stand it anymore.

Amazing very nice ❤ Best contact 🌹 good work

Correct-but some how-why do I get the feeling that the investigators will be watching Facebook to put the pieces of the puzzle together, not the Chief 😢

Exactly how I felt 👍

@@Freddie_Dunning-Kruger_Jr. Me too.

Very very nice ship

That's the part I can't fathom, why tugs weren't accompanying the ship past the bridge, given the bridges exposure to a ship malfunctioning. Maybe it's time for more money to be spent on tugs and crews. Avoiding one incident like this would pay for a lot of crews , accompanying infrastructure and boats. There must be other places where trimming costs are putting enormous cost risks on infrastructure.

Irrespective of the inability of the ship to avoid hitting the bridge, insufficient protection of the bridge piers that can result in collapse from a single point failure by missing or adequately sized dolphins is inexcusable. Collision with a heavy ship in a busy shipping lane is an entirely foreseeable event and should have been taken into account when the bridge was designed. In addition increased size of shipping over the years should have been taken into account and protection reviewed as part of ongoing assessment during the maintenance the bridge. If something can go wrong it will. Therefore negligence by those responsible or designing and maintaining the bridge!

Common sense seems to be sadly lacking in many accidents, like this United flight that ran off the runway the other day and broke off his landing gear while attempting a high sped turn on to the taxiway, because the tower asked him to clear the runway quickly

Too True!

I got fed up and "Do not recommend this channel"-ed the superyacht guy.

Who are you referring to?

Battery Changer!!!😂😂

Yep.

They'll also likely consider a different design, perhaps enabling piers to be placed well away from the main shipping channel, and maybe even install concrete protection systems surrounding the base of each pier, so in the unlikely event of a collision, the piers themselves are safe. (It's even possible other ports around the world which have bridges with unprotected in-water piers on their seaward side are currently running modified cost-benefit analyses on adding protection, just in case).

Amazing

Will do. I've got plenty of time now.

@@ChiefMAKOi Has anyone confirmed the ship was stuck in port for two days because of electrical problems before launch? It was reported by the news, but haven’t heard anything 100%.

Thanks to all

Always welcome

Thanks Donald!