I like that it isn’t something that they can’t see specifically, often in tropes where the abstract idea of a physical nothingness is depicted most if not all can’t see it because “their minds can’t understand it so it blocks it out to prevent any harm to the mind” while at here they can see it but can’t understand it because its nothing, how would you run tests or experiments on nothingness? If not for the doctor who has some knowledge or maybe even experience with it they would have never known what it was

@@nekofrisk1005 I agree. It's basically a ship that can sustain the nothingness of the Void inside the existing universe, which is pretty impossible, The Doctor's right. Just think about it. Which material or form of energy could you use to keep "nothing"? And the human minds just make up something of an image in order to prevent being harmed, yes, but because it does not obey the laws of physics it seems weird to look at it

I can't remember where I heard this; But it's like their brains are trying to process it. But can't, so they just see this blob. That's the kinda feeling I get.

@@lazypaladin Think about staring at absolutely nothing, not just staring at the air, but staring at nothing at all. There are no light particles hitting your retina from there. Every light particle hitting the nothingness from all directions does not interact at all with it, so it will block the photons coming from behind it. Yes, light can travel on the void, but when we say void, we mean inside space-time. This is complete Void (no matter, no space, no time) so the absence of photons returning to your retina isn't normal for the Brain, so the Brain has to fill this gap, this absence of information, with something. This something is the sphere they "see".

@@Stellarionas I feel like another possible way to do this would be to warp the space where the object is. So if a region of space becomes nothing - so no longer has any space - it would effectively appear as though the light hitting one side were instantly transported to the other, creating a weird distortion effect in this region of void. Though of course there are no 'sides' and there's no transportation, I'm just struggling to come up with a good way to describe this and I'm having to resort to very faulty analogy. Essentially there would be a sphere with measurable width from outside which contains no space within it, so has an internal width of 0.

We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.

​@@ShiroNekoDenfuck. That. Ignorance damns progress. If these foul spawn of chaos wish to bend our minds then we shall bite all who try. We shall not strive to live safely under their tyranny but shall instead strive to make a mark against their opression.

@@ShiroNekoDen we are human, to be human is to better oneself. we have slowly started sending ships, even building lighthouses out in that dark void. where there was once nothing, now the lighthouses of algebra, calculus, chemistry, physics, quantum physics, culinary art, biology, and more stand where there was once nothing, understanding now stands, we are slowly conquering the void of ignorance, and it is a good thing.

​@@ShiroNekoDen hp Lovecraft nice

​@@Maeve_RoseThe overwhelming indifference of the Universe when it meets the indomitable human spirit:

smart use of budget, that's what i like about the series, focusing more on concepts rather than one time use expensive gadget

and we just assume that the doctor tinkers with the basic things which we see in his pocket he carries, make simple stuff advanced

​@@shashanksamlike his pen

I had those glasses to watch the Children in Need "Dimensions in Time" 3D

It's very on the nose. Yes.

Everyone else don't know how much they don't know.

That pretty much sums up 10. "Cool! I've never dealt with one of those before... We're gonna need a plan for when this goes bad."

​@@benjaminewing8322 10 and 11 were the best. 👌 Still like 10 more tho

The Doctor being uncertain is what worried me the most.

@@Reoh0z when the brightest minds that know so much come up short you just know things are well and truly beyond comprehension

Our minds can quite literally not comprehend it. Just as he said, "can you imagine that? Nothing?" We can acknowledge its existence but as for actually comprehending it is literally impossible. Because even what we call nothing is still in of itself something.

@@optimuprime500 exactlyyyy

​@@optimuprime500 Yeah and he also said that there is no dark in the void, meaning no life form of our intelligence could comprehend it

Sometimes, nothing is scary.

@@MonkeyJedi99 It is when you see it in your wallet.

@beef business he was at his best in the RTD era overall i'd say. Felt like during the moffat era they just reused the same tracks half the time especially i am the doctor.

R.I.P, Murray Gold!

​@@JB-ys8ct well... I Am The Doctor was a masterpiece.... but... Yeah, they overused the heck out of it. 😅🤭 But not quite within the show as I feel. More in the promotional material.

​@@chanceneck8072 Mate, Murray is still alive lmao

@@Aegon6 I know. Lol. It was just for fun... like, R.I.P. in terms of Doctor Who. I wish he returned.....

Absolutely wonderful writing and verified that her ability to shut down her morals for the good of her country truly dictated her entire existence

Who are you talking about???

​@@wesleyvleminckx7567a girl, that was from the government I think I remember. She got turned into a Cyberman but her will to protect her queen and country was so strong her brain had overridden the commands of the AI commands.

@@wesleyvleminckx7567 Yvonne Hartman. In charge of Torchwood

I’ll admit occasionally in the military when shit is kinda rough I’ll imagine myself as a robot and ramble “I did my duty.” in my head to work through it.

Germany killed Russians by the millions every couple days. Who won?

The Doctor is a different breed from other timelords. Daleks are a race who are the horror of every species in the Galaxy. The Doctor is just their natural predator and that's cuz he fought them for so long he knows them inside and out. The other timelords just aint him. When he isn't on the scene, the Daleks are pretty scary to everyone else.

Well the Doctor was pretty good at thinking outside the box. He beat them this time by reversing the breach and them being sucked in

You've got to remember that the Daleks feared the Doctor, and even his own people feared and respected him. There's a reason for that.

All things fair, the Doctor was nearly always willing to exploit any nuclear option available to him. Hell, by his own admission, he ended both his and the Dalek race by way of complete annihilation. At least as far as the pre-50th anniversary story was concerned

What a good point

I mean, what was the ad campaign like building up to this episode? I've only watched it on DVD but never saw it when it first aired.

What guitar bit? All I can hear here are synth and choir pads.

Which enemies?

@@kaidenbrown9144 The ones inside the void ship.

I want to combine this concept with the silence, because technically there is "nothing" to see and "nothing" to remember.

We kind of got a bit more of the existential threat of nothing outside the Universe with "Wild Blue Yonder" so I think it's safe to say we will be getting more concepts like this!

Space babies!!!!

​@@DeepMoon45I wouldn't bet on it. RTD is too busy using Doctor Who to promote his self-insert gay agenda.

​Pretty much, ​@@faithcastillo9597. It's a shame, but a predictable one at this point.

Which seasons are these

I think the fact it looks like a giant dalek ball gave it away for me

@@mobbs6426 you’d think that but when I watched this on airing I, and a lot of people, were genuinely shocked it was daleks inside. It being a giant gold ball ain’t the obvious giveaway you’d think it is. Especially as to this point we had context that the daleks were all destroyed by bad wolf

@@erosion271 I'm probably just a little older. My siblings were surprised, and I told them the same in that "how did you miss the obvious!?" voive In the end though, seeing obvious dalek tech was egg on my face cause it's time lord tech, which I suppose they have stolen in the past, but it's heavily implied the time lords put them in there. So for the life of me, I've absolutely no idea why it's a giant dalek sphere

@@mobbs6426 the void ship isn’t time lord tech the genesis ark is but the void ship was something even the time lords couldn’t create.

​@@erosion271 then a who made it

Watching this 15 years ago: "Whoa. Void ships sound scary." Watching this post 40k exposure: "F*********ck. This is going to hurt."

Well, considering the hyper lethal nature of each in their respective universes, you're not far off in spirit.

Imagine the doctor traveling to the 41st millennium 😅

​I don't think he'd jave a good time,​@@michaelblower7363. Running and talking as a strategy in 40k would just mean you'll die tired and thirsty.

It's kind of the opposite here though. In 40k normal space is refereed to as the void, not the warp.

How else would you seperate different reality with possible different laws of physics as well?

@@molybdaen11 I think reality is the existence of all universes and afterlives. Universes will have their own laws of physics and nature. What might be logical to our universe could be completely different for another

​@@molybdaen11There always has to be a opposite of something. Good-Evil Everything-Nothing Heaven-Hell Up-Down Left-Right Beginning-Ending What makes this special that it has nothing when it should have something maybe everything that's what makes voids so interesting that how can something exist when it is nothing hopefully this helped you.

@@Azathoth343 But - I feel so empty now ;)

@@molybdaen11 lord please cleanse my sins and molys please I beg you.

Exactly. The trailer gave it away.

easy solution to this one: skip fear her

@@leem2155why would you skip an episode, especially when it first aired…

@beef business Why though, the entire episode is building up to this big final reveal hinting towards it being something to do with cybermen but that whole build up is ruined because we already know from the teaser its gonna have daleks in it. The surprise is negated by our prior knowledge. They did it with again with World Enough and Time the teaser for it literally had the master at the end "give us a kiss" and then they give us Mr. Razor hobbling about sounding suspiciously like John Simm. there's no point in the attempt to surprise the watcher when you spoil the surprise before the episode even airs.

It was sad they did that. The reason tho was because the past 2 episodes (fear her and love and monsters) probably killed some interest, so they needed to push everything to get everyone excited for the finale

If they've still got them, tell em to look at themselves in the mirror with them on and try closing one eye at a time. I also got a pair of those glasses from a 3d movie awhile back and wore them for a few days just to see what i could see :P

Did they reference this episode in that? Did she call it the void?

@@zachh6868 I think she murdered a TARDIS by sending it to the void to kill some Daleks 💔

@@MaxAndJenny Chris kinda forgot TARDIS’ are living beings.

@@Longshanks1690Frankly, everyone forgets this. It’s not brought up nearly as much as it should be- The Doctor’s Wife and some of Twelve’s run being the rare exceptions.

​@@heatherrockwell9012 I don't.

The closest you can get is "The Doctor's Wife." The problem with exploring the concept of The Void is that you kinda just pop out of existence until you pop back into it.

What did you think when you discovered it was the Daleks and did you find the Master's debut at the end of Season 3 as compelling?

@@corneliusmaze-eye2459 I know you weren't asking me, I've been a Doctor Who fan for over 40 years, I've seen all the non-missing classic episodes over 10 times each, but to this day, Professor Yana showing Martha his fob-watch is still THE moment that still gives me shivers above all else.

The Yana twist really was the forst time on years I genuinely got suprised by. I mean, I thought he was a timelord, but I didnt think he wad THAT timelord.

you took the whole "screw continuity" similarly to the doctor himself.

Spoilers for the full episode if you haven't seen it yet for whatever reason Good guess, this actually _is_ a dalek ship! It was made by the Cult of Skaro (Daleks with a unique level of agency designed to come up with unorthodox methods) who foresaw that they'd be defeated by the timelords and ran away so they could avoid daleks being wiped out

Actually, Rowan’s 9th Doctor called them breasts. It was the Master who insisted they were Dalek bumps that act as etheric beam locators…and everything.

Christopher Ecclestone. He's not Scottish, he's from Lancashire in the north of England. (Hence Rose's question, "If you're an alien, how come you sound like you're from the north?") Funnily enough, _Tennant_ is Scottish, but on the rare occasions when his Doctor speaks with a Scottish accent, he's putting it on and implied to be pretty bad at it. :)

Hands down He's the one I joined in on

All of them had their charisma, but 10th was just the perfect attitude

over acted

@@joannefalkinder393 of course!!!!

In your opinion.

Only when it concerns good Who though... I'm sure Jody tried but Whoverse died on her regeneration for me....

@AshAsmodeus it was to preachy. I'm not sure about the episode name, but they landed on a planet full of pollution, and they spent 1 hour preaching how humans should recycle more.

Kinda like how only a couple of episodes they stated how orbiting a black hole was impossible....!

I assume that was just an oversight with the effects that nobody caught. I think the intent was for it to just be a black void but somebody added texture to it because they thought it was a physical thing so it should reflect the room lights.

See that's the thing though, they weren't. 10 himself said it was impossible, just a theory, something that could never be. And yet there it is. It is horrifying.

​@@optimuprime500 everything is impossible at one point. A Tardis was just a theory to the timelords. Then it wasn't. Hell, look at most of the doctors tech next to human technology! It's magic compared to us it's so advanced lol

@@NearlyH3adlessNick I see your point, but I feel it sidelines my actual point of the comment. By all intents and purposes that thing shouldn't exist. Not for reason being the technology wasn't advanced enough, but rather how do you build a ship to travel through something you quite literally cannot comprehend?

@@optimuprime500 they were from a different dimension, weren't they? That could mean different tech, different knowledge, and a completely different impossible!! Just like Timelords and Humans tech difference. Time travel is _impossible_ for us, but not for them. *That* was my point lol

from classic who, a fifth doctor episode.

They're basically legendary cosmic god like beings who were worshipped by the Time Lords, in the End of Time when Rassilon says "we will ascend to become creatures of consciousness alone" he meant that they wre going to become like the Eternals.

@@daiyahigashikataOK missed that one, I'll go look, any idea what the title was?

​@@jeffpettitar1191Enlightenment

Because it usually is.

​@@optimuprime500 and that's my *favorite* part of Doctor Who: when The Doctor is not only a hero but a teacher, too.

Yet the writers couldn't be bothered to learn the difference between hypothesis and theory 😂

The only way I would be ok with Henry Cavil playing the Emperor instead of any other W40k character: He and David playfully bickering back and forth while stopping demons and trying to figure out more about the other

Mostly because I think it would be a waste for him to play the Emp when there are plenty of people who could that, but not many that could play Cavil's range

...said about a scene in which 10 literally has to explain what it is in pure exposition.

@@ElysaraCh The Doctor SHOWS he’s amazed and curious. The others SHOW their fear. It’s the emotion that makes the story. As the audience we feel the emotions of the characters we connect to. -So, first the writer helps us connect to a character. (He made sure there were different personalities and different walks of life.). THEN he has them SHOW their emotion, and gives the audience time to digest and FEEL what’s going on. -The timing, or “pacing” is crucial for this to work. -In the latest DW stories the pacing is so fast, they get hit with one trauma after another, that there’s no time to FEEL what we’re supposed to. And even if they fixed the pacing, the characters simply SAY what emotion is supposed to be portrayed. -It’s a tragedy, because the stories have fantastic potential. -I believe an author can write a captivating story about almost anything, IF they show instead of tell with the proper timing. -You were right about the irony of ten TELLING the other characters about the void ship when I was complaining about TELLING instead of SHOWING a story. -I hope this makes my previous comment a little more clear.🙂

@@amberklein6893 The very first line of this clip is "this is why it upsets people", which is a TELL by your own definition It's okay, you're allowed to be biased and Not Like New Things. It's a pretty normal attitude.

@@ElysaraCh 🙄

Commented on a clip that is literally just the doctor telling you the story and not showing you anything but a black CGI circle. Okay 👌

And that's why religion exist. Welcome to the Familly.

@Romuland Meier nah, ain't religious. My dad is partially Buddhist (the most he does is have a statue of Buddha) and my mum was Christian (raised Christian but her divorce went against it). I wasn't raised religious. I don't really believe in heaven or hell. A bit too black and white for me. And i doubt any god cares about us considering how the last few years has been. Plus i like to believe in ghosts, i enjoy watching paranormal investigation where crazy stuff happens (with evidence that nothing was tampered or set up).

@@vvgirl6173 You do need no gods or even beliefs to use religion to your benefit. That's the last secret - it's a powerful tool of the mind, often underestimated as simple superstitious.

I wander if the void is the same place as that "darkness" place anyone in the dr who universe goes when they die like torchwood states, crazy if you could reach the afterlife as an alive person

Remember what it was like before you were born? Of course not. That's exactly what it will be like after you die. There's nothing to fear because you won't exist.

That’s the whole point of his project, to try and uncover the secrets of this thing that technically doesn’t exist but everyone can see.

That's the point

Nah, I don't think doctor who is part of the Mcu

Eternals in Doctor Who are like Lesser Gods, if we were to power scale Doctor Who then The Guardians> Eternals> Timelords In the Classic Who story Enlightenment, Eternals have a boat race using Ephemeral (non Eternals e.g humans) crews and designs for the ships (e.g a pirate ship racing an Edwardian navy ship) as a source of entertainment. And in Ghostlight, there was an "angel" Eternal who kept trying to catalogue all life but missing species/ having to start over as they evolved (like a Pokemon player who comes back to the franchise after missing a couple generations going from 721 at the the end of gen 6 in 2016 to 1008 at the start of gen 9 2022) In NewWho era there's (possibly the Trickster from SJA,) Death (The Skeleton Cloud Owen fights) in Torchwood S2, Zellin & Rayka in Can You Hear Me? from S12 & Time from Flux Though Tbf Doctor Who was part of Marvel comics for a bit and all Doctor Who is canon, so technically the Marvel Eternals could exist in the whoniverse

The eternals are kind of like doctor who's equivalent of the forerunners (halo). They were a race from before the time lords and before even the current laws of physics had been written, and as a result they had limitless celestial power, possessing no bounds.

​​​​​@@elliottnoad1270 they're not lesser gods, the parasitic ones maybe compared to they're counterparts cuz there's different types of Eternals, the Multi Celesti for instance were said to be the embodiments of the elements in the universe. Time,Light,Pain,Death etc which imo are pretty damn powerful, the only creatures above the Eternals are The Great Old Ones like the Guardians or the Beast. Also the Trickster isn't an Eternal, he's apart of the Pantheon of Discord and manifests through Chaos, Eternals don't need to manifest.

​@@tobleroneilluminati5048 i would say the Forerunners are more like the Celestials from Marvel and the Eternals are above them (so more like the Precursors) since for example The Didact used advanced technology whereas the Eternals have magic, also Forerunners can die, Eternals cannot (unless they're pulled into the web of time through the time vortex which is what the 7th doctor did to punish a group of them)

From Dalek in first season