The double knockout rule is very important. The fighter who got knocked out needs to get a zenkai boost so their power level rises for the second round. Lethwei is simply just not for humans, its a traditional Saiyan sport.

I asked the question yesterday... I thought you were answering to me but then you say "I have been asked about it many times"...😂😂

In street fighter, the fighters get their health back for the second/third rounds, so it works more like a quick rematch. In real life it would take like, a week or so for the "second round" to happen

I saw a lethwei clip where a guy did straight up wrapped his arms around his opponents waist, lifted him and took him down simultaneously head butting him. I think it ended the fight. Probably the best headbutt I’d seen

The WLC, the most modern lethwei championship I know has gotten rid of the double knockout rule just so you know

Lethwei is Muay Thai for warriors who drink a bowl of nails with no milk

*Headbutts Ramsey* "I think it's great!"

Double Knockout sounds really terrble.

I think the wlc got rid of the doule knck out rule, and they added decision wins.

My personal opinion varies a bit. I love muay thai and I train 5 days a week, but I am very fascinated with lethwei. They train their punches for good form and accuracy to avoid injury. In Thai boxing, we get away with alot of sloppy punches because of the protection of the glove. The point system and gambling influence has led to many beautiful kicks (scored higher), and a certain rythym and evolution in the progression of rounds as the fighters feel each other out. This leads to a more elegant and asthetically pleasing fight in general, and the 8 limbs is often praised for this beauty. Lethwei is about as raw and real as it gets. I admire the use of headbutts as it is a very lethal tool and drastically changes the clinch objective. The smaller, faster, and more lethal fists means the opponent needs rely more on slipping, swift fight IQ and intuition in order to read, dodge, and attack. The fights can be over very quickly and you can miss the action if you blink! I would love to train lethwei myself and I augment my thai boxing training with some lethwei combos and some bare knuckle training; but would I get in the lethwei ring? Hardly a chance in hell unless the money was big and I was confident I would dominate. Double knockout? I was blown away at first at how tough this sport is but ya...way too fucking barbaric!!

Lethwei has some good parts . I'm all for headbutts in mma. But the huge problem with no gloves and headbutts is that fighters are going to train bareknuckle striking and headbutting too. That will for sure lead to more headtrauma so shorter fighting careers. Also the cuts will lead to way more facial reconstruction surgeries. Look at Nate Diaz, he bleeds so easily thanks to all the scar tissue he has gained trough bareknuckle street fighting. So gloves are necessary in my opinion.

I’ve always been a fan of Lethwei, but I also agree about getting rid of the double knockout rule.

Ramsey I am sorry for asking this question two years ago after you had already made this video. Thank you for answering my question in the past!

Can you make a sleepy time "go to sleep or I will put you to sleep" voice track?

I'm a fight fan and a fighting gamer and I never looked at the round system in a video game like tthat. You're knocking the opponent out cold twice in order to win. In a game, you think nothing of it, but in real life that sounds insane. Amazing analysis Sensei/Sifu/Teacher Dewey!

What I Love about Leftwei is that it's very similar to Street Fighting.

Weird question: If you had super powers such as strength, durability etc, does that permit the art of more reckless fighting techniques as often seen by many heroes/protagonists in movies and animations? Who would fair better, a superman pro fighter who opts for more reckless techniques or a superman pro fighter who keeps it safe? In your thanos vs hulk review, we can see hulk fighting more wildly and recklessly compared to Thanos but even thanos chooses a couple techniques that are a bit more risky but is passable due to his super strength

Interesting note that I just learned- Lethwei also differs from Muay Thai due to more throws being in the art. Everybody knows clinches, sweeps and dumps the two employ, but Lethwei also has specialized throws and takedowns very similar to Greco-Roman wrestling, though it isn’t as favored as their stand-up striking, nor does the art have submissions and joint-locks. As you said, they cannot fight on the ground.

I totally agree. 'Bare-Knuckle' should mean 'Bare'.

You are talking about what we call here as TV-Lethwei. Because, it is supposed to be TV-Friendly, it came up with already familiar stuffs like Weight-classes, Rounds, Count-downs and fancy rules like “No hitting the spine or back of the head” It’s only been 15/20 years since Lethwei fighters realized there’s a way to take less damage and to earn more money; TV. The Real Lethwei we (still) have here, is NOT for TV. It’s not even a combat sport, it’s a fight between gladiators; no rounds, no weight-classes, no counting when knocked down, no breaks. It’s a barely legal bloody mass, and may be the human instinct that people enjoy violence.

When I heard of the double knockout I thought most fighters who want to have a career in combat sports will be discoraged from competeing, 2 potential knockouts every fight for whaterver money the lethwei circuit offers would not make it appealing, even more so if you hope to last in combat sports

If people want to try headbutts, Combat Sambo is probably the most user friendly/safe sport to do it in.

That double knockout rule is insane

The double knockout rule as used in street fighter was based on the actual best two out of three rounds in karate point sparring which was somewhat popular at the time that street fighter one came out

Lethwei is the purest striking martial art

Letwhei born from war between Thai and Myanmar. During ancient time Kings from Burma trying to find the best system to win their enemy, mostly Thai. Thai, Burma, Siamese, and Khmer are so close to each other. They trade lot of arts and culture. But Kings from Myanmar doesn't really care about the art, instead they care more about combat side of fighting. So they gather lot of fighter like gladiator and find the best fighter. If they found one they use that fighting style as a fighting system for their army. No matter what style is, always a smart and vicious fighter always win. So Lethwei is a quickest and mean to end your opponent lives, not just defend. If you are in a war, you don't want to end up on the ground. So no ground fighting but you can wrestle them while standing and take them down. It basically, condition you to become a tougher and vicious fighter but not a point fighter. Letwhei traditional rules is the art itself. Nothing special

I always thought it was leeth-way. Also, Ramsey Dewey, the Bob Ross of mma

One thing I truly liked about lethwei was that fighters had to win by knockout. I watched a wlc match recently and you could tell the winner was going for the decision and not taking the risks needed to knockout his opponent. It was a bit disappointing. Other than that I prefer watching lethwei over regular kickboxing, although muay thai with mma gloves, like in One, is pretty exciting.

….this man is about to talk me to sleep, I came here for an opinion but his voice gave me relaxation

I agree with your views on the double knockout but I don't think that combat sports should be based solely on flashy moves and wild strikes that would break one's hands in a street fight. I wish that lethwei allowed grappling.

Did you see, sometimes to wake them up, the corner guys bite their ears ? Its nuts

Do you watch HEMA as well?

Was the Jeet Kun Do guy Erik Paulson? I vaguely remember him using headbutts in some of his fights

I don't know Lethwei very mutch, look's interresting but, i'm realy not fan of headbuts. For the none gloves part, I'm ok with that, in Muay Thai, we have kardshwek fight (not sure of the word) witch is Muay Thai no gloves, with wraping, and only win by KO (if not it's a draw). Not having gloves has something exciting (but the wrap can make it dangerous), I strangely realy like bare knukle boxing. (Double KO? That's more "finishing" your opponant... In Mortal Kombat)

Need video of what if you make a martial art tounrament, what the rules will be? Like a conceptual, figurative martial art. Good videos and point of view!!!

I personal think Lethwei and the new London prize fighting bareknuckle boxing are the most entertaining sports out there. And I find it fascinating to see how different they are from gloved striking sports. But I do completely agree with you that the double knockout rule should go.

*_I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR MONTHS!!!!!!!!_*

Most lethwei fights these days (mainstream wise) are typical rules, no knockout only rules or allowed another chance after being KO'd. I consider Lethwei one of the greatest arts ever. Headbutts, yeah, ok- risky for the person who throws them in many ways, but, why not use them? Also, you don't have to use them.

100% back you on the "NO"to the double knock out rule. I also agree no wraps, only if they also remove the gloves also.

So I have a question relating to fighting without gloves. Say in any self defense situation, odds are that unless its winter time, most of us do not wear gloves regularly. So my question is: why are open hand strikes overlooked in most mma communities? What are your thoughts on open hand striking such as palm strikes? In the context of self defense? From personal experience I know its still possible to break your hand while delivering a palm strike but I feel that it's far less likely than rocking a bare fist into someone's face. I have found karate chops to be quite painful on the hands and fairly ineffective in most cases except to strikes to the neck, but palm strikes have worked well for me in several situations. No one seems to really talk much about open hand fighting aside from the eye gouging that occurs in MMA from time to time, is there a reason why it is so often overlooked? That said I prefer to carry a knife for self defense but in many cases you don't have the time to reach for a weapon when being attacked and I think palm strikes are useful to gain space and protect yourself while minimizing the damage done to your hands.

6:45 - 6:55 And in most 3D fighters such as Tekken or Soulcalibur you have a triple knockout rule.

Here's a hard one. You said you watch different styles to learn from them. If you watch, what have you learned when you watch Olympic Taekwondo? As a tkd practitioner i don't feel i learn that much about fighting in Olympic tkd. Great cardio though.

Why is it easier to kick a heavy bag than kicking the air

As a former student of Chris Leben, his hands unwrapped are nothing at all like a bag of marbles, much closer to a ham hock bone. That's why he can hit so hard even in the bare knuckle boxing events

How do accidentally headbut someone (:

Hey Ramsey! Thanks for posting videos so often these days. I am a relatively newer follower and I’ve come to appreciate very much the type of content you put out and the different angle you take when compared to other martial arts channels (which I also follow and enjoy)... Now, in relation to your comment regarding Lethwei and MMA fighting with no wraps, etc.... WHAT DO YOU THINK OF BARE KNUCKLE BOXING??... Thank you!!!

i have to agree about the double knockout rule, to me it seems like all bad with very little good. the no decision rule im kinda for tho you didnt mention it in your video. i do think it causes fighters to fight differently, which i think helps prevent it possibly being more boring because of the lack of gloves you get concerned about. I do however prefer no gloves because i like combat sports to be closer to what some people call "pure" sporting combat can never be the same as a street fight, but removing as much separation of the two as possible is what i personally want. meaning i very much appreciate them having headbutts and standing throws as well. Maybe lethwei becoming more of a thing, can open doors for more value tudo rules competitions being a thing again, i can only hope.

Question for you Coach Ramsey: How good will John Wick be as a MMA fighter in UFC, Bellator, ONEFC, etc? Without his Krav Maga and military combat skills, would he be just another Royce Gracie because of his extensive and heavy grappling background (BJJ,JJJ, Judo, Sambo, Aikido) or a well-rounded fighter like Khabib or Fedor? ( John Wick also is a skillfull ballet dancer like you coach)

I watched a few fights, what I didn't like is that the inclusion of headbutts all but eliminated the clinch. Clinching at the usual muay thai range is dangerous because you can eat forward headbutts so lethwei clinches are basically bearhugs, chest-to-chest. The only thing to really come out of that (since there's no takedowns) is landing an elbow as you disengage. Not very productive, and takes away a very exciting range of combat. I agree, I think headbutts take away more than they add as far as entertainment goes.

I think lethwei just become one of my choice of martial arts. ❤

I agree with you Ramsey. The double knock out is the only thing I have an objection to in Lethwei. A man who has just been knocked out can not intelligently decide whether or not to fight.

Headbutt really useful in grappling either as defense or as striking.

Even in MMA you have the option of winning by T.K.O but the fact that Lethwei has a double knockout rule seems really ridiculous.

That double ko rule is wild frfr

It depends if they're fighting under the traditional rules or not. That time out or "double ko" Is traditional only

I really like let wei because so brutal. I was shocked that you don't like it.

You do not necessary have to be knocked out twice in Lethwei to loose. Special rest is optional, and only applicable once in a fight and within a five minute period. I believe that there was a separate rest period to stop bleeding, too. The WLC got rid of the one-time special rest, which is good. I'm not in favour of it, but I also don't like that they added the decision win either.

I don't know, headbutt seems kind of dangerous long term

You are absolutely right about the doube KO as being wrong. Maybe in 1% of cases the guy knocked out will wn but most of the time will just get knocked out again.

Doesnt wrapping the hands protect a lot? I don't think the head butts causes much shorter fights. It forces the fighters to keep distance so the head can't reach. It's takes a lot of skill and I think it is closer to a real fight than anything else which is what I like about it. The only unrealistic thing is no grappling. I prefer to watch a good mma match because of the variety of fight styles, but I like Lethwei too. Also I am Canadian and a French Canadian guy, Dave Leduc, is the Lethwei champion and a very nice guy.

Hi Ramsay, do you think grapplers should be impaired like strikers are with gloves? Grapplers aren't forced to reduce the strength of their hand grips or degree of hip motion in guards in the interest of fighter safety. Gloves allow people who never learned to block to eat more damage (e.g. helmet guard) while reducing the effectiveness of strikes for people who train bareknuckle (e.g. makiwara). Gloves impair the most basic striking tool but there is no basic grappling impairment. As an MMA coach, I'd love to hear your opinion.

Getting rid of that rule would allow some preservation of fighters

🙏 OSU and Greetings from the Netherlands 🙏

before the wraps and gloves, ground fighters always won in MMA. people LOVE knockouts, which can't really be done without at least the wraps

I usually like to hear some of this guy's stuff BUT Lethwei is dope There isn't nothing boring about it! And you got to be tough as nails I thought May Thai was the toughest UNTIL I seen Lethwei

I was just thinking of Street Fighter II on the subject of double knock outs, then you said it. lol

I agree with what you said about the double knockout rule.

I love that Lethwei is more hardcore.

The KO revival during the bout I agree is very controversial. But thankfully not part of the newer major shows. A good overview of this part of lethwei can be found here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mayilq6Z17fQeWg.html

broken hands happen all the time in lethwei... also it sounds like a little bit of a pose to me saying such an entertaining combat sport as lethwei could be "boring". Lethwei is all about endurance, pain tolerance, spirit toughness and heart. It's awesome.

Hey Ramsey big fan. I’m just getting back into training during quarantine due to an shoulder injury I’ve had for some weeks now from wrestling. I want to know if you suggest going all out on the bag or taking it slow with shadow boxing till I feel my shoulders at 100% id say it’s at 95% right now and I’m itching to train again if you have any tips of how to get back into a regiment as well since I’ve been injured haven’t moved around much

Aaaah finally! I ask you to kindly do a video regarding Lethwei and you did one Mr. Optimus Prime! Thank first of all, secondly my man .. Lethwei i quite raw and has very less technique as opposed to brute force and hardcore striking. It is the enemy of longevity due to the bare knuckle and head butt factor involved. The double ko is not a rule but rather a choice buddy, after the first knockout the fighter is given the option to quit or continue .. Its the 2 minute time out rule thats not good for the brain actually. What i like about it is that Lethwei is gonna make u tough as nails and with no points system ull get to really fight freely haha! Thats about it Ramsey my man ! Thanks again! ❤️🙏🏼

INTERESTING

Hey Ramsey, great take on the topic, I would love to clinch in such a way that defends headbutts, do you have anything in mind?

There is this guy Dave Leduc, he is really crazy when it comes to headbutts. You should check it.

Thanks for clearing that up. Next question: What do you think of Lerdrit?

Lethwei is for people who couldn't make it in Muay Thai. Lethwei is a bunch of 5'4 Burmese fighters lol

*_It's still a practical and useful martial art regardless of spectacle._*

The few matches i saw on KZfaq were balls to the wall great action. The rules are interesting aswell but the double knock down rule is dumb.

Well, I do think the double-knock thing is insane! But other than that, Lethwei certainly seems more like real combat.

Lethwei i made for war and not for entertainment so yeah, its probably when it becomes a sport and to entertain.

I'm completely lost but what do you think of practitioners of lethwei cuz I'm very interested tbh 😅

combat Sambo and Kudo has headbutts too..

You misrepresented it a bit, in traditional Lethwei a KO wins the fight otherwise it’s a draw. But the corner can choose to “revive” their fighter, and if they can do so in 2 minutes, then they go back out and fight. You don’t have to get 2 KO’s to win all the time. WLC also have scrapped this rule.

Love the street fighter 2 comparison

Hello Ramsey, I’m thinking of starting jui jistsu after the Coronavirus and I’ve been doing boxing for over a year now and I’m wondering if I should choose another grappling martial art such as judo or wrestling to combine with boxing

I don't think I'd be into this headbutting and double ko thing either, other than learning what headbutt defense is.

Hi Ramsey... I have a question about a different topic: Would you do a video about double end bags and your thoughts on them? How to use them in a home gym, etc? I have one and it’s not a very easy piece of equipment for beginners to use, right? Thanks!

Lethwei isn't boring. Ask Burmese fans.

Street Fighter 2 is the Most Ridiculous Unrealistic Fighting Game there is where you got a 90 pound teenie bopper going toe to toe with a 7ft Heavyweight Muay Thai Fighter from Thailand.

Mr Ramsey...well what i think is Yes get rid of the double ko rule, my reason being why have a sport u luv doing screw up your well being big time, permanent injuries or even death!! As for the tapered wraps that prevent full impact punching...hmm i'm kinda of ok with this. And yes i do enjoy & admire Lethwei fighters, they'r so tough!!!😃😳

I Love playing Street Fighter.

hey ramsey who do you think is going to win in a ufc match, khabib or ferguson? and if you got into a ufc match with them, how confident are you in ur ability to beat them?

The reigning champ dave leduc had few fights, and the competition is weak, but the idea is good, some fights have been maybe, fairly entertaining but when you look into the lineage and level of competition its poor

Makes sense...

WLC is the mordern version of lethwei.But it desnt popular in local people.We local people are still using traditional lethwei rule.Many lethwei fighters dont want to fight WLC point system.

lethwei also has this weird rule about scoring where lots of fights end in a draw. headbutts are talked up really big in lethwei, but like a lot of fight elements, when it's part of the rules, there are a lot of defence methods and headbutts don't usually change the fight. but it can be exciting in the rare case where they do kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLNhdM-Xlsu9nXk.html

Wait headbutts aren't legal in ufc? What a bunch of sissies. The double ko is a stupid rule, in ufc they should get rid of the punching unconscious people several times before the referee stops thing

Thanks for the video. I agreed with everything except one thing... Boring to watch?? Its the most brutal combat sport in the world. It's like 2 whole levels above Muay Thai. What makes it entertaining to watch is that they actually are trying there hardest to knockout there opponent at all times or else they get a draw or lose. It has a much more intense feel to it than thai boxing.

I've seen many lethwei fights and I don't remember headbutts being that important to any fighter to win, never saw it cut any either. On the wrapping on hands I really think that they don't do any god for the sport, I'd rather have all fighters wearing only gloves without wrapping, and thats the way I train, I stopped using wrapping because they gave me a wrist injury (say that I don't know how to wrap or that I do it too hard, anyways it doesn't work for me and not using them made me give more attention to hand conditioning which is great for someone who trains mostly for self defense).