What Do You Mean, 'Pray to the Saints?'

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Theoria

Theoria

8 жыл бұрын

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In this video, "What Do You Mean 'Pray to the Saints?'," Frederica explains that the English word "pray" in this sentence is a little misleading. So, what does it mean to pray to the Saints and what does the Orthodox Church practice? Watch to find out!
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@paulwilliams9207
@paulwilliams9207 4 жыл бұрын
My wife would like to be orthodox, but has no one to pray for her. She has contacted. A church and asked them to pray to the Theotokos for her and is trying to the prayers at home as there is no church where we live. She feels very sad that she is not able to be a proper Christian because there is no church. She is also in a wheelchair and has kidney failure. She lives your videos and finds them very uplifting and helpful. Thank you for this lifeline. God bless.
@SymeonPhronema
@SymeonPhronema 4 жыл бұрын
Lord have mercy! Prayers for you, and your dear wife!
@jsjsjsjssjsjsj5913
@jsjsjsjssjsjsj5913 6 ай бұрын
May the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on you two. God bless you and be with you and your wife!
@Russ-Orthodox777
@Russ-Orthodox777 3 жыл бұрын
I am one of those “inquirers” into the Orthodox Faith and am very thankful for these videos. May GOD bless you all.
@j1233191
@j1233191 8 жыл бұрын
That's a decent explanation of why Orthodox (and Catholic) Christians pray to the saints. Your analogy was beautiful, good job!
@Zania16ify
@Zania16ify 7 жыл бұрын
PRAY TO JESUS CHRIST, He is the only mediator. Not Mary, not John not Peter, etc. The orthodox tradtitions are nice, but be careful christians, especially new christians and born again christians (like myself) that we are going directly to JESUS CHRIST Himself with all our prayers and concerns, & especially when we repent. when we repent, who do we repent to? Jesus Christ. That's who. So we should be praying to Him as well. Do not be distracted by the relics or icons, they are nice to look at and should be greatly appreciated. But make no mistake. The purpose of going to church is glorifying God and if you have accepted Christ into your heart, in turn the spirit of truth will reside in you. Donnot be distracted. :) God bless us all.
@j1233191
@j1233191 7 жыл бұрын
Grace Morgan Praying to saints is even part of Judaism, you know. www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/562222/jewish/Is-it-okay-to-ask-a-deceased-tzaddik-to-pray-on-my-behalf.htm What you need to understand is that Protestantism is just an offshoot of Catholic/Orthodox style Christianity that got out of hand when weird, crazy sects, the sort where people speak in tongues, started popping up in the USA, and started getting entangled with left-wing liberalism where the United Methodist Church is concerned. But nothing I tell you is probably going to change your mind, because religion essentially works like a blinker anyway.
@Zania16ify
@Zania16ify 7 жыл бұрын
j1233191 You see, even religious people can get carried away sometimes. I'm talking about your personal faith in Christ at this point man. Nothing else matters if you don't intend on first accepting Christ as the one and True Lord if ya know what I mean. Oh, definitely there are religious christians that forget this as well. But it's important to stay FOCUSED on the purpose. We are saved by GRACE and FAITH, our job as true followers is to spread the Gospel with love and grace. And to know that we are NOT saved by works of any means. God bless ya!
@CariBaez
@CariBaez 7 жыл бұрын
DukeOfYork roman and Orthodox are Catholics. In the name of Jesus, hopefully they come together some day. Amen.
@nobamafarce3732
@nobamafarce3732 5 жыл бұрын
@@j1233191 Chabad isn't Judaism: "For many years, the leading Rabbis have made several statements against the Chabad organization referring to it, among other things, as a "criminal organization" and a "religious cult". Chabad is known to be a "mafia" a "gang" and a "group of very bad people". The above statements are not political in nature. There are basic problems with the Chabad organization that derive from the day this group was founded about 200 years ago. Chabad Rabbis are not considered real Rabbis by any Orthodox Rabbis anywhere in the world...": .ahavat-israel dot com/main/chabad.php, chabad-mafia dot com.
@Theoria
@Theoria 7 жыл бұрын
Just notice the radical thread of comments going on here. Just a reminder: let's be kind :)
@Zania16ify
@Zania16ify 7 жыл бұрын
PRAY TO JESUS CHRIST, He is the only mediator. Not Mary, not John not Peter, etc. The orthodox tradtitions are nice, but be careful christians, especially new christians and born again christians (like myself) that we are going directly to JESUS CHRIST Himself with all our prayers and concerns, & especially when we repent. when we repent, who do we repent to? Jesus Christ. That's who. So we should be praying to Him as well. Do not be distracted by the relics or icons, they are nice to look at and should be greatly appreciated. But make no mistake. The purpose of going to church is glorifying God and if you have accepted Christ into your heart, in turn the spirit of truth will reside in you. Donnot be distracted. :) God bless us all.
@Zania16ify
@Zania16ify 7 жыл бұрын
I'll be radical for Jesus any day of my life haha. Woohoo! I love Jesus!!
@LORENSSIOK
@LORENSSIOK 7 жыл бұрын
You 2 a re in every video saying what to do. Why are you here? Dont like the way we do things, dont like the message, get your a$$es out! The lady explained as clear as possible. Dont like get your a$$es out!
@mezzadam1123
@mezzadam1123 6 жыл бұрын
Greetings. From what I understand when people die they are resting until the day of judgement? I'm not here to debate or anything like that. The Bible says Lazarus was sleeping, also Acts chapter 2, David did not acsend to heaven. Maybe you can point me in the right direction? Good bless you
@Katholikos78
@Katholikos78 5 жыл бұрын
@@mezzadam1123 the Church created the NT centuries after Jesus🤦‍♂️
@michael_x252
@michael_x252 4 жыл бұрын
This was really helpful. I have no intention of becoming Orthodox but I love you all, sincerely an anabaptist raised in the black church.
@connorclifton45
@connorclifton45 Жыл бұрын
An anabaptist raised in the black church? Tell me your story. Are you Amish or Mennonite?
@jeffwallace5402
@jeffwallace5402 6 жыл бұрын
frederica is a saintly woman who loves her faith the ancient faith which has taken terrible sufferings from persecutions bless our orthodox brothers and sisters for ever amen
@christfollower5713
@christfollower5713 2 жыл бұрын
She is very helpful too and truly dedicated to serve Christ , she helped me personally!
@michaeldavidnvitales
@michaeldavidnvitales 3 жыл бұрын
That was so beautifully said. It moves my heart. I’ve spent over 20 years of my life serving in Protestant churches, and this is the first time i felt the urge to ask the saints in glory to pray for me. I feel a sense of relief and a burden lifted even before I say a word. I’m so grateful for this video, this channel, and this sister who shared this insight. God bless you.
@sherlendelar4452
@sherlendelar4452 7 жыл бұрын
May the Lord Jesus Christ be with us always.. very well explained.
@Isaac5123
@Isaac5123 6 жыл бұрын
Dont be such a fool Sher
@SteveAubrey1762
@SteveAubrey1762 5 жыл бұрын
1:57 That makes PERFECT sense! This lady really does a great job explaining "deep" concepts in a way that I can get my pea little brain around them!
@katerinalove7704
@katerinalove7704 7 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. I learned to ignore those who leave negative remarks on such a Godly site. We/ I pray to the saints for intercession. We cannot forget who went before us so very long ago. They are here with us and are willing to interceed.
@viviennebaptiste
@viviennebaptiste 4 жыл бұрын
But how do we know that they are hearing
@DysmasTheGoodThief
@DysmasTheGoodThief 3 жыл бұрын
@@viviennebaptiste they’re in heaven and can hear our petitions
@cabellero1120
@cabellero1120 6 жыл бұрын
This video is intended for Orthodox Christians and Inquirers to the faith I don't understand why Protestants or Evangelicals would view this ...to begin with? that's great that you're proud of your faith...Why do you need to troll. ..on other clips? No 1 goes to troll on Evangelical Christian sites ( except maybe Atheists --they won't win Them over) Why don't the Evangelicals try and convert the non-christians of the world and Stop harassing Other Christian peoples! "It's not biblical or God like!" neither is blind hatred and prejudice!! Heaven Forbid it should be said of Evangelicals that they Hated Catholics More than they Loved Jesus!!
@nobamafarce3732
@nobamafarce3732 5 жыл бұрын
cabellero So the video is intended for Orthodox Christians who pray to saints but need this video to tell them why they do this? Odd.
@julienmaamary5216
@julienmaamary5216 4 жыл бұрын
nobama farce this video is kinda like an understanding of the Orthodox faith like what you need to know incase you want to convert or something like that.
@johnh6487
@johnh6487 4 жыл бұрын
I have many family members who are Orthodox, and understanding each other is one of the keys to finding unity. We don't have to agree about everything, but knowing and focusing on what we do opens many doors to fellowship. "Make every effort to keep the Spirit unity."
@Eraktab
@Eraktab 3 жыл бұрын
Late to the comment section here, but as a Protestant I definitely agree with this. Perhaps I'm a bit biased now because I am looking to become Orthodox, but even a few years ago I would have said the same thing. There are more Christian Protestants than the ones you see in the comments challenging you. I hope you continue to treat Protestants you meet graciously and kindly. Resentment and prejudice will just turn more people away from Orthodoxy.
@ElfGodd3ss
@ElfGodd3ss 3 жыл бұрын
They do and Still harass everyone
@sandragillmore2927
@sandragillmore2927 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, praying to is not the same as worshipping..We are planning to convert from Roman Catholicism..same saints intercession tradition
@miguelpasamano4995
@miguelpasamano4995 2 жыл бұрын
The grass will not be much greener on the other side. Almost all their leaders are also raging modernists. Both the Romanists and the Byzantinists have signed agreements with each other to not try to EvAngelIze. What would I want with a cult? specially whose leaders have no convictions whose members are not even in communion with most other members!
@alexandria1663
@alexandria1663 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sister and those that run this channel, I’m a Protestant but I completely agree with your explanation of prayer. The only thing that holds me back is the command given not to communicate with the dead, am I misunderstanding this in some way? Again thank you I learn so much here.
@karly6025
@karly6025 Жыл бұрын
Hi there, I am a protestant as well but also learning much from our Orthodox brothers and sisters. I'm still sorting this one out myself but one thing I have heard them say in response to that commandment is Mark 12:27 when Jesus said God is a God of the living and not the dead. A great in depth series I just finished listening to on this topic is from Our Life in Christ podcast. It's a super old podcast but still circulating out there, put on by a couple of normal sounding guys with a sense of humour but also very gifted at explaining the deeper teachings on all things Orthodox. Blessings!
@alexandria1663
@alexandria1663 Жыл бұрын
@@karly6025 thank you that is so helpful ❤️ God bless and happy Easter!
@nated963
@nated963 3 жыл бұрын
As a baptist protestant who's really looking into Eastern Orthodoxy, this explanation is great. I've always held the saints much higher than my other baptist brothers. If we ask our loved ones to pray for us, why shouldn't we ask those who are in the presence of the lord?
@kevinlupa7660
@kevinlupa7660 3 жыл бұрын
Because they are dead and cannot hear you
@nated963
@nated963 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinlupa7660 is christ dead? Can christ not hear us? If you answered yes to either questions, you aren't a christian and shouldn't comment
@kevinlupa7660
@kevinlupa7660 3 жыл бұрын
@@nated963 Jesus Christ is Lord you prideful bastard
@nated963
@nated963 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinlupa7660 if christ can hear us, why is it that saints cannot? Revelation 8:3-4 Another angel holding a golden censer came and was stationed at the altar. A large amount of incense was given to him to offer up, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar that is before the throne. The smoke coming from the incense, along with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.
@nated963
@nated963 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinlupa7660 Ephesians 6:18-19 With every prayer and petition, pray at all times in the Spirit, and to this end be alert, with all perseverance and requests for all the saints. Pray for me also, that I may be given the message when I begin to speak - that I may confidently make known the mystery of the gospel.
@stevepa999
@stevepa999 4 жыл бұрын
The Orthodox church recently canonized two saints who passed away in the early 90s, St Paisios the Athonite, and St Porfirios. There are literally thousands of living testimonies of the divine grace that God bestowed upon them. They both said clearly and humbly that they did not perform these miracles. It was God who did so. What is not talk about is that saints also serve other roles apart from interceding with God for us. Firstly, it is through their divine grace that Jesus Christ communicates with us to say to us He is indeed real. Secondly, they also act as our heroes, our mentors. They guide us on how to calm our souls in order to accept Jesus Christ. It is not enough to just obey the ten commandments. They tell us how things like ego, humbleness, conquering your passions, proper thoughts, etc are important if you want to put Jesus Christ in your heart.
@patriciasellars9616
@patriciasellars9616 Жыл бұрын
The Holy Spirit is the one who teaches us
@stevepa999
@stevepa999 Жыл бұрын
@@patriciasellars9616 If that were true, there would be many Protestants who would be able to perform miracles.
@emanamilkessa
@emanamilkessa 8 ай бұрын
May the God bless you mum! I am super thankful for this video!
@cameronwalker3677
@cameronwalker3677 3 жыл бұрын
So beautiful God bless you. Praying to our Saints is one of the most beautiful gifts of the orthodox church
@adadzie
@adadzie 8 жыл бұрын
Beautiful! Sharing this.
@gustaviokkk5422
@gustaviokkk5422 9 ай бұрын
I've seen a lot of videos abot this topic and this is by far the most insightful and civilized anwser, genuinely I thank you very much
@Theoria
@Theoria 9 ай бұрын
🙏
@JAYoung-qo8vx
@JAYoung-qo8vx 6 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful explanation. If only my local priest when I was growing up could have answered my questions in such a manner as this site has through it's videos, I'd most likely consider myself still a Christian.
@Febrile1
@Febrile1 5 жыл бұрын
Well, now you have the answers you needed. Why not just return?
@160mgofcaffeine
@160mgofcaffeine Жыл бұрын
A great explanation. Thank you!
@ayebea8116
@ayebea8116 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this kind and thoughtful video.
@Theoria
@Theoria Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@dialmformowgli
@dialmformowgli 2 жыл бұрын
I revisit this often 🕊
@luigi50518
@luigi50518 5 жыл бұрын
For those who don't understand, listen to every word she speaks, pay close attention to everything, in other words actually watch the video, more than once if you have to. A lot of comments I see here demonstrates a lack of attention to detail. Don't take only her word for it, listen to multiple sources, which include other Orthodox videos (beware of Coptic Orthodox), writings/teachings of the Church Fathers, etc., visit Divine Liturgies whenever possible.
@kashmoose2478
@kashmoose2478 9 ай бұрын
Pray for me to be blessed as a catechumen soon
@amirsad4113
@amirsad4113 7 ай бұрын
Wellcome home we will pray I am also a catechumen exmuslim to orthodox
@brianm.9451
@brianm.9451 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful explanation and I love the encouragement to expand our Christian community to include those who are in the presence and glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. I've never heard the phrase "pray to the saints" explained in this way. However, I do believe that church triumphant is standing in the presence of Christ and are also praying for us to Christ thus I know that the "great cloud of witnesses" is loving me and praying for me to Christ hence why I see no need to pray that they intercede on my behalf because they are already interceding on my behalf to Christ our Lord. Regardless, thank you for the beautiful explanation I really enjoyed it.
@dimitrispeiraias
@dimitrispeiraias 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed saints are already interceding on your behalf but without suppressing your free will! If you wish the saints would keep interceding on your behalf but in this way you actually pray for their prayers and of course you will benefit from their prayers!
@ericfrate2124
@ericfrate2124 Жыл бұрын
Well that sums it up pretty darn good
@camaradafawkes7382
@camaradafawkes7382 7 жыл бұрын
Someone please, please, send me the the YT link (or a download link) of this music
@marycollis6900
@marycollis6900 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation. As a Protestant I had no idea and had thought it was idolatry. But one question: are we not forbidden to contact dead people in the Old Testament? Is this any different to necromancy? How?
@thecelt2348
@thecelt2348 3 ай бұрын
Well said
@neptunetriton
@neptunetriton 3 жыл бұрын
I’m considering converting to Orthodoxy, but I’m really struggling with this concept of praying to departed Saints or Mary for intercession on my behalf. I can’t find anywhere in canonized scripture where Jesus himself or the Apostles recommend and participate in this type of prayer. The scriptural examples often provided are usually a pretty large stretch and a bending of context in order to suit the practice. This type of prayer means that departed Christians (especially “Saints”) are somehow able to still hear thousands of prayers a minute in their name from all across the globe, 24/7, then somehow relay that information to God who will somehow take those requests more seriously now? So far, I can’t find any scriptural basis or early documented “Tradition” that backs this idea up. If it were common practice at the time, surely the Apostles would have participated in it and clearly documented the practice, but I’m not seeing that. All I’m seeing is documentation from “desert fathers” hundreds of years later. Just because I’m unfamiliar or haven’t been exposed to this way of thinking doesn’t make it untrue - I just haven’t found a very convincing argument yet for how all this is supposed to work.
@ays.939
@ays.939 3 жыл бұрын
I'm watching these videos as I am an inquirer myself and you brought up a good point, I will have to ask the priest I'm talking to or those I know in the Church why this is. Any update?
@galaxyrider9599
@galaxyrider9599 2 жыл бұрын
God lives in His saints. Saints can hear our prayers because God's Spirit living in them hears our prayers (Same way as Peter knew that Ananias and Sapphire sold what they had for a different sum of money). It's not their human nature that hears our prayers. And of course, God takes their requests more seriously, than ours, like in Genesis 20: "he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live", and in Job 42: "go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept".
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
@@galaxyrider9599 God is who He is. God of the living. If God does not take our prayers more seriously, then why would the saints? If the would, then why would God listen to the saints, since God knows what the saints are asking on our behalf? These who you mentioned, in those times, were alive.
@galaxyrider9599
@galaxyrider9599 2 жыл бұрын
​@@michaelvatson7056 You just confirmed it yourself that they are ALL alive, because "He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive". Are you saying Moses is dead? Who was Jesus speaking to then? On the mountain? God would listen to the saints for the same reasons as He listened to Job.
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 Жыл бұрын
@@galaxyrider9599 Moses died, what happened with him (spiritually) after his death, I do not know, but I can speculate. If he accepted Jesus, then it is logical to say that he will be in the kingdom of God. Time must be considered! We do not know how is in the spiritual world. Is the timeline of the physical world just a breath for the spiritual world? Jesus was speaking with Moses and Elijah on the mountain when he transfigured. This could have been a vision towards the apostles. You may say that is strange that Christ talks with them, as if they are real. But look at revelation. Same thing there. These visions also have God speaking towards someone. Job was alive, still on earth. His time did not came when the events in Job happened. Can God listen to saints that are not among us? He can. Will He? That's God's decision. Jesus told how we should pray to God, what should we say, and why our prayers aren't listened. Why will God listen to the saints, that are not among us, but not us? You might say, because we are unholy. Didn't the Nineveh people, that were pagans, cry unto God after Jonah preach them Nineveh will be overthrown? And God did not destroy them after seeing they turned from their evil ways? Did not the roman soldier asked Jesus to heal his child? Did not a pagan asked in faith? He even gave us and example, and started with "Our Father, which are in heaven...". Myself coming from orthodoxy, I know that orthodox prayers go beyond merely of "pray for me, saints". I want no idolatry in my mouth, nor in my mind or heart.
@bradspitt3896
@bradspitt3896 4 жыл бұрын
Genuine question: If the saints aren't omnipresent, how can they hear our prayers?
@thomask9272
@thomask9272 4 жыл бұрын
The Holy Spirit let's them hear. :)
@innocentgreen1338
@innocentgreen1338 3 жыл бұрын
Great question. I'd say we don't know. But I also don't know a lot of other things. The fact the Church clearly has always asked for prayers of the departed is enough for me. Even if I don't know how it works. ❤️🙏
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
Bible says so... Angels are bringing our prayers up to the Heavens: "And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev 8,3-4)
@artvanderlay1308
@artvanderlay1308 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomask9272 Holy Spirit lets them hear? So they're bombarded with prayers like in that movie Bruce Almighty? Lol Only God is omnipresent and is the only being in existence who can deal with our many prayers.
@thomask9272
@thomask9272 3 жыл бұрын
@@artvanderlay1308 Well, I never said I understood the metaphysics of it. And, in order to not be bombarded, the saints will need the Holy Spirit. Hehe!
@snlescaille
@snlescaille 3 жыл бұрын
I understand the Orthodox view on prayer to the saints. But my concern is this: Why wouldn't God mention saint intercession at least once in scripture? Especially when He says that the Holy Spirit is our only mediator. Wouldn't this just cause confusion to not address both if they were both expected? Just because God Has the capability to do something, doesn't mean He has done it. Also, do the Orthodox believe that saints are actually around us in the spiritual realm as the angels are? Or just looking down from heaven? I'm not trying to argue, I'm just genuinely curious. (And yes, I am evangelical)
@arsene4440
@arsene4440 3 жыл бұрын
We don't believe everything was mentioned in scripture. But we can prove praying to saints is valid from the scriptures. Watch the channel of a guy named Sam Shamoun he explains it from the scriptures
@Abk367
@Abk367 2 жыл бұрын
@@arsene4440 how do the saints receive our prayers?they are not omnipotent like God
@joaol.galdino8738
@joaol.galdino8738 2 жыл бұрын
@@Abk367 I am Protestant, but inquiring into the Orthodox faith. From what I've read till now, it is through the Holy Spirit that our prayers can be heard by the heavenly host and the saints alike.
@galaxyrider9599
@galaxyrider9599 2 жыл бұрын
"he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live" (Genesis 20), "go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept" (Job 42). So God DID mention it, and even more than once!
@nex-genaudiovision5328
@nex-genaudiovision5328 2 жыл бұрын
Why does your pastor pray for you.
@Takezo5191
@Takezo5191 7 жыл бұрын
Why are here so many heretics from all possible sects giving advice to the Orthodox on how we should pray ? Just mind your heretic business and go on your way. When we'll come to you and ask for your advice then you should give it, not before. Orthodox people don't come to you and tell you how to pray without you asking them​. So why do you feel the need to give advice to someone who is asking​ for it. Even God respects the free will and He doesn't interfere if He's not wanted. Are you better than God ?
@dimitrispeiraias
@dimitrispeiraias 4 жыл бұрын
@Keir Campbell sooner or later you'll find out that those who are absent from the body but present with the Lord, actually pray and commune with God's gifts! I hope you will find it out before ending up at an impasse because of your misunderstanding!
@cvetkojovcevski645
@cvetkojovcevski645 4 жыл бұрын
Beardedman yes God gives us freewill you want to make your own religion make it, but don't use the Holy bible and make your own ideas / traditions
@someguy9571
@someguy9571 4 жыл бұрын
@@cvetkojovcevski645 "Making your own religion" The PROTESTANTS are the ones who makde their own religion. Orthodoxy existed from the time of the apostles, Protestant beliefs didn't show up until 16 centuries later. Do more research. Edit: I'm saying this as a former Protestant by the way.
@Eraktab
@Eraktab 3 жыл бұрын
@@someguy9571 As a Protestant you should also know then that Protestants were subject to many false teachings by the Catholic church, so when they separated it was originally only meant to be dropping the false teachings. But having been subjected to all of the falsehoods, you can see why Protestants wanted to strip Christianity down to the bare minimum. They/we may not have the Full* truth and beauty of tradition, but they/we have a very Raw* truth taken from the Bible. While there are many weird expressions or in some cases heretical denominations, many still hold fast to Truth above all else, for Christ is the way, the truth*, and the life. I say this as an inquiring Protestant looking to become Orthodox, should that mean anything.
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
@@Eraktab Indeed. Regardless, protestant or orthodox, seek the truth in Christ Jesus. He is the way, the truth, and the life. If an orthodox says, orthodoxy is life, do not believe it. If a protestant says, the protestant way is life, do not believe it. Do not let orthodoxy's faith and practices replace Jesus. The same with protestant. Orthodoxy is more that buildings and priests, and chants. Many things are done in hidden. Many orthodox people critique other orthodox people and the orthodox ruler ship.
@amandawhaley2437
@amandawhaley2437 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for these videos! My question is how do they hear us? Saints are not omniscient or omnipresent, so how do those who are not near me hear my requests?
@Theoria
@Theoria Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Two thoughts: saints are in and with Christ. And he shares his divine qualities with them, by grace. Secondly, space is a material reality that does not not apply the same way to the intelligible world
@WobbleKnife
@WobbleKnife 3 жыл бұрын
So do the departed actually hear the prayer request? Can they see us here on earth? Please help.
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 Жыл бұрын
Pray, make request, ask God. And what He wills, let it be so. Did Christ did not say, will not the man, after all, get up from bed in the middle of the night to give bread to the one who asked the whole night?
@sos35-52
@sos35-52 3 жыл бұрын
I used to think that when we die we go off on tours of the universe to take in all of God's creation. While that may be true, the Book of Revelation shows us that the saints are indeed concerned with the affairs of God's people on earth (6:10, 8:4, etc.). While terms such as "church militant" and "church triumphant" are used to show the perspective of those that are living on earth and those that continue on in heaven, there is nonetheless only one church that prays together and for one another. If James 5:16 is true ("The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.") for those preoccupied with earthly worries, how much more for those in the heavenly branch of the ONE church?
@silviom1517
@silviom1517 5 жыл бұрын
Orthodoxy should defend their catholic brothers all these protestants are attacking catholics about saints and kissing icons hopefully we reunite one day
@Kanal7Indonesia
@Kanal7Indonesia 5 жыл бұрын
@Boerboel 1652 that's protestantism for ya
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
Don't kiss icons, trust God and keep his commandments. Believe in Jesus Christ, and who believes in Him, does the will of the Father.
@georgeashkian7602
@georgeashkian7602 2 жыл бұрын
Hello I’m so happy to learn more about orthodox Christianity, I have 2 question that I do not have answer, How do we know that the saints can hear us as God because no where in the Bible is written that saints could hear us. And even we do not know exactly if we will be judged after we die directly or in the last judgment and then we will be in the paradise with God. Please if you have answers from Bible please tell me thanks.
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
I will also put a few questions (not towards you George) Why pray to saints that are not among us, to pray to God? Cannot God hear? Or is it that God does not listen to our prayers? If the answer is, He does not listen to, then, praying to a saint makes sense. But what if that saint doesn't also listen to you prayers also, after all, a saint is a saint, knows very well what is acceptable and what not. So, you try another one, but maybe, that one is also a miss. Maybe, if you pray, and call the names of all the saints. Maybe, one of them will pray to God. But, since God doesn't listens, and a higher saint doesn't also listens, maybe a lesser saint will listen and pray for you. But what if God doesn't listen to that saint, because he is lesser? Do you see where this is going? Didn't Lord Jesus Christ gave us how to pray to our Father that is in heaven? Matthew 6:5-15 James 4:3
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
(not towards you George) If there is a judgement immediate after death, then what is the purpose of the judgement on the last days? Will everything be rejudged? Could it be that the judgement after death is the judgement of the last days? Since in death, no one experience time, their resurrection during the judgement of the last days could feel like it's right after death? Based on the ideas that, there are two judgements and the death is sleep.
@georgeashkian7602
@georgeashkian7602 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelvatson7056 thank you for the second answer and for the first one, I’m agree with you but what about all saint’s can’t hear us because they have no power as God, so we are praying for nothing.
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 Жыл бұрын
@@georgeashkian7602 Whatever we have, it was given to us. As Job said, naked I came, naked I go to the grave. The saints did not became powerful by themselves. Did not God gave them power over things when they were on earth? Isn't the word of God God's? The same that worked through man? Why is there a need for saints to work from the spiritual world, if God and the angels are already in the spiritual world? The saints have their reward. Didn't the saints, and whosoever followed God, did the commandants of God? If God did not listen to the prayer, because the prayer was not right, but a saint listened, and did what was asked in the prayer, didn't that saint went against the will of God? If the will of God is in the saints, then the saints will do what God wills. So, a saint will perform a work that God wants it to be performed. So then, is not this the work of God? Since God defined rigorousness, whoever does good works by the definition of God, isn't that person doing the will of God? So then, what is the point of asking saints to pray for you to God, if God already did not listen? Does not the saints know what is a receive-full prayer? If they do, then they would not pray further also, because what was asked was not right, as per God's word. If the saints in the spiritual world see and hear, then they probably are already praying. But asking a saint might stop that saint from praying for something greater than your request. If that's not the case, then, they will pray requests when their names are invoked... this can go on and on. Many things of the spiritual world are kept secret from us. From the gospels, we know how Jesus, that is God, taught us to whom, how and what to pray. (read Matthew 6 1 through 13, and other similar) To pray for things to saints, it's idolatry. To ask them to pray for you, it makes no sense. If you want someone to pray for you, or with you, to God, ask someone (a person that is alive in our world) that you know. In faith, obedience and repentance.
@HereForAwhile
@HereForAwhile 18 күн бұрын
Dang it. You make a good point. Well said, sister. I've been a nay-sayer, but you may have me reconsidering.
@jessesolis6470
@jessesolis6470 5 жыл бұрын
I've been learning about Orthodoxy and I will honestly say that many things about it is beautiful, no doubt, but this is unfortunately one thing I really have a problem with. "But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep." 1 Thessalonians 4:13‭-‬15 ESV The Scriptures say that those who have died don't precede us because they're sleeping until the Resurrection and neither do we precede them. Acts 2:34, "For David did not ascend into the heavens," If they did precede us, and skipped over the Resurrection and Final Judgement, then I will Gladly accept this teaching of praying to the saints that have died. But that's not the case. And of course we ask others to pray for us, the saints that are alive here on earth that worship and serve Yah, but praying to the brothers and sisters that have died is praying to thin air. Don't mean any disrespect, but I'll trust the Lord before anything or anyone else. I just encourage you all to pray and read for yourselves and above all, ask the Father for His Holy Spirit for understanding in Jesus' name.
@Katholikos78
@Katholikos78 5 жыл бұрын
You do realize those books were not made into the Canon until after 300 A.D? Faith alone and scripture alone was unheard of until Martin Luther. Also, the early Church Fathers and Ecumenical Councils give us the meanings of those texts. Protestantism is neo-papism.
@someguy9571
@someguy9571 4 жыл бұрын
Their physical bodies are asleep, but a person is not merely a body now, are they?
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
@@someguy9571 Why are the bodies asleep if the soul goes in the after life? At the end of time, the soul will return in the body? For what purpose? For what reason?
@sirpoppinchuck
@sirpoppinchuck 4 жыл бұрын
I just want to know how do we know we are commmunicating with them? And if so how does Jesus feel about us asking them that are right there with him??? Since we have one mediator like the bible says. Aren't we the saints???
@innocentgreen1338
@innocentgreen1338 3 жыл бұрын
In regards to “prayer to the Saints” asking for their intercession here is a biblical example of the difference between intercession and mediator. “Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, INTERCESSIONS, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all...” 1 Timothy 2:1-6a Then from the Council of Nicaea in 787 A.D. here is proof the Church has always understood the difference: ”God and the saints are addressed differently. We implore God to grant us the blessing which we want, or to deliver us from evil. We implore the saints to intercede for us to God, who grants the petitions. Therefore, we pray to God to have mercy on us and we pray to the saints to pray for us. It is strictly incumbent on all to beware, lest they transfer to any creature the rights which belong strictly to God. We do not adore any creature, nor honor the saints as though to adore them, but we call upon them as brothers and as friends of God, and therefore we seek assistance from these our brethren, who have departed.“
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
@@innocentgreen1338 Unfortunately, I have seen it. The church (the institution) say that this is not worship. But, what are the people doing when going to these saints? Kiss their icons, their caskets, they bow down, offer incense, they speak more about them, quote them more than Jesus, they pray with prayers created by these institutions that target particular saint, they even attribute type of rewards for those that pray to them, this saint is for wealth, this saint is for pain, this saint for general health, saint for this, saint for that. Now you have a multitude of saints, form witch you can choose, and pray to them for different things. Doesn't this sound like polytheism? You said "We" as if every orthodox is like you. That is not true. They honor the saints. I've seen icons for kissing more for saints than for Jesus. etc Didn't Jesus though us who to pray to the Father in the heaven? Didn't he said we ask but did not receive, because we ask wrongly, in our selfishness?
@cabellero1120
@cabellero1120 6 жыл бұрын
If you ask your grandfather to pray for you, are you "worshipping" him? ...certainly not you're asking him to pray For you To God
@Isaac5123
@Isaac5123 6 жыл бұрын
cabellero 1120 if your grandfather is still alive by all means ask him to pray for you, I do it all the time for my grandchildren, but if he has died and you are still asking him to pray for you then face facts you need to see some specialist at the hospital. Dead people are dead until His return.
@cabellero1120
@cabellero1120 6 жыл бұрын
Tom Dick That belief of "soul sleep" is a highly Protestant idea. Why would a Roman Catholic take advice from a Protestant, Anyway? You Protestants seem to forget that The Prophet Elijah and Perhaps Moses were taken up to Heaven to Be With God and that when Christ was transfigured on the mount he was flanked by These 2 prophet men. .. according to You they should've been asleep in the ground ...They were present Next To Christ Jesus is a God of the Living. ...Those who are Alive In Christ. The Patriarch Abraham, Of Old Christ Himself said that Abraham SAW ( witnessed) His day of Salvation and was Glad (rejoiced) How could he have done that If he were dead and sleeping in the ground?? Was Lazarus dead and "sleeping" in the tomb?? Christ called him forth Out Of the Tomb. ...Out Of the darkness of sin and death! A prefigurement of His Own passion, death and resurrection! When Christ descended to the nether world, the souls there were Not asleep nor were they spiritually "dead" ...they were awaiting Him and rejoiced when He came for them!! The physical Body. ..enters a rest, the soul is Immortal and embued with the life and light of God Himself! You need to re read Genesis It is written in Scripture that we are to become partakers of the Divine nature...to share God's own life and light! Christ also Told the Good Theif on the cross that he would Join Him THAT VERY DAY in Paradise!!! He did Not say But First You Must GO TO SLEEP in the Ground First!!! He said THAT VERY DAY...THAT VERY MOMENT The Bodies are in the Ground...the Souls are with God!
@TheWhightKnight
@TheWhightKnight 6 жыл бұрын
Where's that in scripture that they are dead until his return?
@Isaac5123
@Isaac5123 6 жыл бұрын
Kyle you fool, dont you read the scriptures, This is what Jesus said, are you going to contradict him?
@Isaac5123
@Isaac5123 6 жыл бұрын
listen cabellero everyone is responsible for themselves where God is concerned. What fool asks anyone else to pray for them when they can pray for themselves. Father this is what the demonic catholic church has done to your people but not to the chosen.
@rolanfernandez6306
@rolanfernandez6306 7 жыл бұрын
Catholic and Orthodox people ask the saints to pray for us. The saints are our models and idols of a christian life.
@cvetkojovcevski645
@cvetkojovcevski645 4 жыл бұрын
Rolan fernandez that's were you go wrong. Jesus Christ is the template/model to follow
@aibhinn
@aibhinn 4 жыл бұрын
@@cvetkojovcevski645 And the saints, by definition, followed that model much better than we. Why is intercessory prayer wrong? If I ask my mother to pray for me, is that wrong? If I ask a person whose holy life, whose dedication to Christ, is an inspiration to pray for me, why would that be wrong? Nobody is worshipping saints; we're just expanding our parish prayer circle a bit.
@cvetkojovcevski645
@cvetkojovcevski645 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ is the template , not the saints
@cvetkojovcevski645
@cvetkojovcevski645 4 жыл бұрын
@@aibhinn if your mother is here with you , no it' not wrong to ask her to pray for you
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
What have you done? Corinthians 11:3 "But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ..."
@JacquelineRPrice
@JacquelineRPrice Жыл бұрын
Here's what I still don't understand. If I ask a neighbor to pray with me or for me, I can see my neighbor and she's there with me. But she can't listen to whole neighborhood at one time asking her for prayer. She's not omniscient nor omnipresent. Since only God is both omniscient and omnipresent then it seems it stand to reason to me that only God can hear all prayers and/or requests being made of Him everywhere at once. I don't think the departed saints have those abilities to hear all prayers being made of them from everywhere at once. How could they?
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 Жыл бұрын
The departed saints rest from their labor. Why bother them? Their time have ended, and their reward is heaven, they are at rest. Anyone who read this, read the Hebrew book (from the bible).
@alanbourbeau24
@alanbourbeau24 4 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with praying to Saints? I don't see anything wrong to Saints. I have my top favorite Saints that I rely on. 1. Saint Michael the archangel. 2. Saint Nectarios of Aegina. 3. Saint Pope John Paul II. 4. Saint Therese of Lisieux aka The Little flower of Jesus. 5. Saint Patrick of Ireland. And back in 2018, I asked these Saints for their Divine intervention on behalf of my girlfriend when she was a dialysis patient. And after fervently praying to them. They brought the prayer request to God and his answer was yes that she would receive a kidney transplant. After she received the kidney transplant, I gave thanks and praise to the Saints and God.
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
Saint Michael the archangel? Isn't God whom should you pray to? Our father, who art in heaven? What about the other saints? Do they feel lesser? If you do not invoke their name, they do not listen to what your saying?
@andersoncaviedes
@andersoncaviedes 4 жыл бұрын
The Bible doesn't mention that we need deads prayers to be heard. I can pray for others alive but we are not taught that deads pray for me.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
They are not dead to us... they are departed instead as those who are with the God who is Life can not be dead... they are alive. So to say we are "praying to the dead" is simply not true. They are alive and in God's presence worshiping Him and praying for us just as we are praying for them. Our Church Triumphant is with us and we Church Militant are with them and in that way we accomplish Lords prayer when He said we should be one just as They are one.
@AED365
@AED365 3 жыл бұрын
We worship the God of the living not the dead. Which god do you worship?
@alanbourbeau24
@alanbourbeau24 3 жыл бұрын
My Orthodox brothers and sisters in Christ, Have you any of you been tested for the COVID-19? Well my girlfriend went to a place to be tested for the pandemic. And now she's waiting for the results to be negative. So I'm asking to pray to any of the Saints on behalf of my girlfriend. Hopefully the results will be negative. She's been emotionally upset and filled with anxiety. I'm hoping and praying that it's negative too.
@orthodoxouwatje4632
@orthodoxouwatje4632 3 жыл бұрын
How'd it go?
@derudinastian2247
@derudinastian2247 7 жыл бұрын
in the bible, pray has always addressed to God, pray is a communication to God, not to human. but still, believe in Jesus is a way of salvation. God bless us all.. :)
@chrisoliverdelacruz5347
@chrisoliverdelacruz5347 7 жыл бұрын
Except that some prayers do invoke angels and invite these angelic beings to join them praising the Lord. Psalm 103:20 20 Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word!
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisoliverdelacruz5347 Are you not mixing prayer with songs of praise towards God? I see no, "oh ye angels, pray for me"
@user-pj7sq7ce1f
@user-pj7sq7ce1f Жыл бұрын
New Testament text book says προσκυνισης to bow down towards is that allways to God???
@TheB1nary
@TheB1nary 5 жыл бұрын
Serious question from someone investigating orthodoxy: aren't we assigning attributes (or at least one) of deity to departed saints if we all pray to them and expect them to hear those prayers? Hope that makes sense...
@Theoria
@Theoria 5 жыл бұрын
Paul Munro God is a generous giver; the mystery of salvation is that God wants to give us gifts that are beyond human nature (immortality being one). When the saints participate in God, and are with him in paradise, they are able to make special intercession to him. And by his good gifts, are able to hear us and intercede for us
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
Brother... Orthodox doctrine of Theosis is something you need to explore as it would give you an insight into the union between God and the saints. Let me remind you about one very specific verse: "Ye are gods and sons of the Most High" (Ps. 82,6)
@artvanderlay1308
@artvanderlay1308 3 жыл бұрын
Don't be deceived Paul. It is in every way assigning attributes of Deity to the departed
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
@@artvanderlay1308 Saving sinking ship that has "Protestantism" written all over it.? Surely you can try but... odds are not in your favor. What I would suggest to you is to make sure you jump onto rescuing Orthodox ships while they are around. Once Lord arrives you do not want to be in the group of foolish virgins. ;o))
@artvanderlay1308
@artvanderlay1308 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyd2383 I have a friend I've been going to church with a long time, she was in a big car accident a few years ago and she lost both her legs. She was a missionary and still is sharing Christ all around the world. A lot of people told her that it might be time to stop, but she continues to do so no matter what she goes through. Would you tell her the same thing? She's Baptist, not eastern Orthodox
@strangementalitypaperYT
@strangementalitypaperYT Жыл бұрын
I almost converted from Lutheranism to Orthodoxy because of its emphasis on mysticism. I was questioning so much about Christianity. I referred to these videos a lot when I made my decision to leave Christianity as a whole. All the divides and disagreements about sacraments, saints, baptism and everything else between sects of Christianity ultimately convinced me that Christianity isn't true. I'm an atheist now, but I still have very warm feelings towards the Orthodox church. The Catholics and Fundamental Evangelical Protestants definitely need to take a leaf from Orthodoxy's book.
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 Жыл бұрын
Are you not looking only at the surface? Why not investigate the scriptures and judge, put religion aside for a while. Bare in mind, these were written in different languages, in a different times, when the world was different.
@danielpettersson6520
@danielpettersson6520 2 жыл бұрын
But how to know if the saints are really in heaven or not
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 Жыл бұрын
They ask for your faith, to trust them that they canonized the correct saints. Regardless, this praying to saints should not happen. Ask God, as Jesus Christ taught us. Read the scriptures.
@primoz.benedicto3572
@primoz.benedicto3572 3 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥
@cossackwarlord8363
@cossackwarlord8363 Жыл бұрын
Problem that I have is that saints would have to have omnipresence to be able to hear you and be with everyone that is praying
@tryingnottobeasmartass757
@tryingnottobeasmartass757 Жыл бұрын
Why would they have to have omnipresence?
@cvetkojovcevski645
@cvetkojovcevski645 4 жыл бұрын
you say you don't pray to the saints, but you go and ask them to pray for you . do you not see something wrong with what you said theoria? saints are not to be praised as the orthodox church does. all Glory goes to God
@julienmaamary5216
@julienmaamary5216 4 жыл бұрын
The Glory has always been to God we’re just asking them to pray for us show me in the Bible where it says it’s prohibited for us to pray to one another.
@realvicguerra
@realvicguerra 7 жыл бұрын
1 Tim 2:5
@dimitrispeiraias
@dimitrispeiraias 4 жыл бұрын
I humby ask you to pray for me to my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ the Son of God! Of course I don't believe that you are the One Mediator between God and men! I just ask you to pray for me to my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ! The same way I ask the saints to pray for me!
@dimitrispeiraias
@dimitrispeiraias 4 жыл бұрын
P.S. with much of Love in Christ from an orthodox christian and friend of yours!
@inrptn
@inrptn 3 жыл бұрын
(Isa 8:19) ... should not a people seek to their God, than for the living to the dead?
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
There was a change in the state of the dead after Lord descended into the Hades and preached gospel to the spirits (souls) there (1 Pet 3,19). That is why St. Paul could boldly reyoice: "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyd2383 And then? What is this state? How this affects the way think about prayer? And more importantly, who described this in great detail? Are the first apostles, who indeed had the holy spirit?
@jajohnson7809
@jajohnson7809 3 жыл бұрын
I've heard non-Orthodox say the saints and Mary can't hear us because they're dead. No...no, they're not.
@artvanderlay1308
@artvanderlay1308 3 жыл бұрын
I'm alive but doesn't mean I can hear you from wherever you are, I'm not God
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
@@artvanderlay1308 Saints and Mother Mary are one with God. For Christ Jesus dwells in them and they dwell in Him. (John 14,20) Deified human being is inseparable from God.
@artvanderlay1308
@artvanderlay1308 3 жыл бұрын
@Johnny D Christians are all one in Christ on earth too, we’re not omnipresent though. How about the departed who aren’t canonised saints? Are they omnipresent too or does God just reserve those privileges for the others?
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
@@artvanderlay1308 Church Militant is one and Church Triumphant is one and two parts of The Church are one as well... read Hebrews 12,22-24. Complete Church is one in the Holy Spirit and we do not question how we can hear or they can hear this or that... we simply know we are one in Spirit. Canonized or not, saints are with God. Canonized are those who are attested to be with God and in Orthodoxy canonization comes from the people. When people proclaim someone being a saint church synod confirms it.
@artvanderlay1308
@artvanderlay1308 3 жыл бұрын
@Johnny D you’re clutching at straws, interpreting that passage from Hebrews in such a way (reading into the text 101)
@bryanak6681
@bryanak6681 2 жыл бұрын
this is actually misunderstood by protestant denom, they believe soul is not perished because of Christ but still they call em "dead". Apostle Paul clearly said that in Timothy 2 but still they are just being ignorant
@sassy3923
@sassy3923 3 жыл бұрын
"The dead know nothing." ----- Ecclesiastes 9:5.
@neiljunpanamogan6544
@neiljunpanamogan6544 3 жыл бұрын
They were not dead, those who died but not in Christ's arms were the dead, but those who were in GOD'S Presence they were there worshiping the Lord.,
@sassy3923
@sassy3923 2 жыл бұрын
@@sele2323 All who die, righteous or wicked, sleep in the grave until their resurrection. Martha had it right when she declared that Lazarus would live again AT THE LAST DAY - the day of Christ's return. John 11:24: "Martha replied, 'I know that he will rise (live) again in the resurrection at the last day.' ” What makes belief in an immortal soul that lives on after death (either in heaven or hell) dangerous is firstly, it is unscriptural, and secondly, it opens the door to superstition, the influence of demonic spirits and participation in occultism.The resurrection is when our body rises and our consciousness comes back to awareness. Until then.....be glad that the dead know nothing.
@user-pj7sq7ce1f
@user-pj7sq7ce1f Жыл бұрын
@@sassy3923 Jesus Christ is Risen. For him all are alive as he says himself john 11:25_26
@sassy3923
@sassy3923 Ай бұрын
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f Yes, they are still alive....but sleeping, just as the Lord said of Lazarus.
@user-pj7sq7ce1f
@user-pj7sq7ce1f Ай бұрын
@@sassy3923 read john 11:25_26 you also miss that the Lord is risen now from the dead and all are alive in his Glory.
@Emper0rH0rde
@Emper0rH0rde 4 жыл бұрын
To people who come on here to start trouble, especially prideful protestants who just have to get their zinger in, be like this guy kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7WciMJl1eDKpGg.html
@shireboundscribbles
@shireboundscribbles 6 ай бұрын
When did Christians forget that God had already sent the Holy Spirit to do blessings, rescues, and healings? We don't need to keep asking a saint to ask Jesus to do X. Jesus already filled the saint with the Holy Spirit who has the power to do those things. That's why relics work.
@paulj.thaddaios
@paulj.thaddaios 2 жыл бұрын
Protestants (and secular pagans) lack the fullness of the faith, the Eucharist, for without it, on this journey in this body, there is no physical communion with Jesus (the Trinity) physically. Thus we are not with His heavenly kingdom either, so concept, so deeply present to us, to outsiders, is strange because it isn’t possible. Of course, any and all people in this world have access to God in essence since we can’t fully be separated from His love!
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
What is the Eucharist?
@PatrickHutton
@PatrickHutton 5 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming that this video was put up for the benefit of Christians who aren't part of the Orthodox faith. Why do I assume this? Because throughout the video the speaker appears to be addressing objections and questions that Protestant Christians would pose. I agree that prayer is equivalent to "making a request (pray pass me the broccoli)". I agree that we are "surrounded by a cloud of witnesses" that "they are before God praising and glorifying him". I agree that when we face issues we ask friends to remember us in prayer. I agree that adoration and veneration are different. But where is the Scriptural evidence that those Saints who've gone to glory can hear our requests for them to request on our behalf? Did Jesus when he taught the disciples to pray recommend that they should make requests to the departed such as Moses, Eljah, or Elisha to likewise pray on our behalf?
@Katholikos78
@Katholikos78 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 oh me. How could they be scripture alone when the NT didn't even come into existence until after 300 A.D? There are whole Epistles the Orthodox Church reads that touches on the books we put together to give you said NT.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
@PatrickHutton
@PatrickHutton 5 жыл бұрын
@@Katholikos78 That doesn't really answer my question. Yes I'm aware the Church came before Scripture. That Scripture was written by the Church for the Church.
@Katholikos78
@Katholikos78 5 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickHutton it works exactly the same as you asking anyone else to pray for you...
@Katholikos78
@Katholikos78 5 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickHutton also, scripture alone and faith alone are heresies created 1,500 years after Christ.
@PatrickHutton
@PatrickHutton 5 жыл бұрын
@@Katholikos78 I already agreed to that in my OP.
@karooboermeyer1115
@karooboermeyer1115 3 жыл бұрын
I find interest in orthodoxy because protestant lacks tradition, look at the agv church these days, it all over the show. Orthodox seems to stick to the traditional "repentance" line, protestant turned to feel good religion.
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
Your right, but not entirely. Things are more balanced. There are countries with the official religions is Christian orthodoxy, so the majority of the people are baptized as orthodox. But many do not practice or follow orthodoxy, or believe in God. On the paper, they are orthodoxy. In reality, something else. Depends who you're asking, and where you are. I see the same thing with the protestants (and other sects, denominations, however you want to tell them). Some have zeal for God, some are far away. Orthodoxy has nice traditions, songs. But they are just traditions. It looks more sacred in practice versus your street preacher. Of course, they say it's more than that. because if they wouldn't, people would recognize them as tradition and would stop following it, would stop going to the church. But your street preacher brings the attention to the people, while the priest sings song and say a few minutes preach at the end of the liturgy (I'm over simplifying this). Your preacher might quotes Christ more than an orthodox priest, that during preaching, say more quotes from saints than from the bible. So much so that it sounds more like the religion of the saints. The orthodox institutions, unfortunately, they are more than just organized church. Are more deep. But on average, the doctrine align across (I'm speaking about the true teachings). (but disagree on philosophical aspects).
@realvicguerra
@realvicguerra 7 жыл бұрын
Why would I need Mary , Peter or Paul when I can go directly to Jesus? 1 Tim 2:5.
@chrisoliverdelacruz5347
@chrisoliverdelacruz5347 7 жыл бұрын
1 Timothy 2:5 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, -BY the way, this is talking about being the mediator of redemption that only the God-Man can do and He is Jesus Christ so we do not have any problems with that (and this verse has nothing to do with what you actually say.) I'm just curious. When you love someone, do you ONLY love that person and then not care for the people related to that person like family or friends or would you agree that greater love means that we should all be one family while the direct and highest form of love is still being given to that person?
@SparkleKnits
@SparkleKnits 6 жыл бұрын
Why would you ever ask anyone else to pray for you when you can go directly to Jesus? By this logic you should never ask a friend or relative to pray for you. Did you even watch the video?
@patrickmartin8783
@patrickmartin8783 5 жыл бұрын
Aimee C he’s a Protestant! Not the smartest of People
@inrptn
@inrptn 3 жыл бұрын
@@SparkleKnits So you communicate with the dead. You might as well be a fortune teller.
@miguelpasamano4995
@miguelpasamano4995 2 жыл бұрын
Noone goes to Mashiaħ YaHSHWaH but by the TheoTokos
@JoeLackey
@JoeLackey 7 ай бұрын
This is a pretty preposterous concept. It commits a false equivalence fallacy. I mean, I get the comparison of asking a friend to pray for me. That makes sense. But I don't put an icon of that friend in my house and in my church. And I certainly don't put it up next to an icon of Jesus and then kiss it and bow to it. I'm sorry, but this practice isn't even remotely the same thing as merely asking a friend for prayer. It's just not.
@giannihatzianmevris1861
@giannihatzianmevris1861 6 ай бұрын
Agreed, Praying to Mary & the Saints is unbiblical! There's a difference between asking family or church friends to pray for you, (which by the way doesn't mean that those people you've asked to pray have more power or authority than you, but that if more people join in, more petitions are heard at the throne of God) and there's a difference with speaking to dead people! Jesus is both Mediator & Intercessor. If Jesus is sufficient for both those roles then why do we need to pray to Mary or one of the saints, who by the way, are dead! Yes, they are alive in heaven, however, there is no scriptural basis for praying to them, rater the opposite is true! By praying To them, we are taking the attributes of God and placing them on mere humans! If the word of God tells us to come to Him directly, then why do we need to pray to anyone else??? Take a look at the following scriptural references: Romans 8:34 [34]Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes INTERCESSION for us. Hebrews 4:14-16 [14]Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. [15]For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. [16]Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. 1 Timothy 2:5 [5]For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, Acts 4:12 [12]Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Jeremiah 29:12-13 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.
@user-sm6do4qj8e
@user-sm6do4qj8e 11 ай бұрын
Read deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 9-15 (please repent
@fuzbeatboxern5714
@fuzbeatboxern5714 Жыл бұрын
But they can not hear you
@alexandrusalar4531
@alexandrusalar4531 5 жыл бұрын
Been doing a lot of research into orthodox Christianity and I have a big problem with this. Communicating with the dead is forbidden, flat out.
@Theoria
@Theoria 5 жыл бұрын
Alexandru Salar - our Lord is the Lord of the living. We do not seek signs or communication with the dead, we ask for prayers from them who are alive in Christ. But there is no similarity to conjuring spirits or other such occult practices
@user-pj7sq7ce1f
@user-pj7sq7ce1f Жыл бұрын
Do you say RIP . why you say that what peace is that for who are to talking about?
@lukesnyder9015
@lukesnyder9015 Жыл бұрын
Iam not for sure but the cloud of witnesses are not expressly revealed as to who or what they are. SO to say that they are the saints is interpretation. As for the book of revelation it is a book of the future and the Kingdom to COME which is not yet present physically on earth. The orthodox Church is beautiful and Ive meet some of the best of people. Orthodox Christians believe that their Church is the original Church of Jesus. This is confusing to me because Jesus (Yeshua) was a Jew and was Torah observant. He was a rabbi of the Torah and taught to keep all the commandemnts of Torah. He would have never changed the shabbat to Sunday which is the day pagans venerated the Sun. He would have NEVER changed Passover to pagan Easter nor would he NEVER observe Christmas, the day pagan venerated the death and rebirth of the Sun god which Christians later changed to the birth of Christ. Jews of Jesus day did not observe birthdays. He woudl have NEVER kissed an image or icon. The Orthodox Church is in many ways a mirror image of the Sun worship of the Byzantine Empire from which is was born. It has always amazed me that Christian ignor the pagan adaptations of the Church and that the Church violently rejected all biblical observances in favor of pagan customs and culture. So back to praying to saints and Mary. Instead of praying to the pagan goddess Queen of Heaven pray to Mary (Mary is now also called Queen of Heaven). Instead of praying to multiple gods for this or for that pray to the saints instead. That is the REAL reason Orthodox Christians pray to saints.
@ooferdoofer2452
@ooferdoofer2452 6 жыл бұрын
Deuteronomy 18:10-13 says to never speak to the dead
@miladmiloradamani5526
@miladmiloradamani5526 5 жыл бұрын
The saints are an extension of Christ and are for ever living in Christ, therefore they are not dead!
@pospouris
@pospouris 5 жыл бұрын
Does the spirit die?
@cvetkojovcevski645
@cvetkojovcevski645 4 жыл бұрын
Oofer Doofer it sure does tell us that , it's clear about what it says
@artvanderlay1308
@artvanderlay1308 3 жыл бұрын
Even if the departed saints are alive, they can't hear us. Only God who is all powerful and omnipresent can hear us
@inrptn
@inrptn 3 жыл бұрын
@@miladmiloradamani5526 So you are saying the Old Testament is wrong or uses a meaningless word (dead). I will follow the OT before I follow you.
@m00semanus
@m00semanus 2 жыл бұрын
Aren’t saints dead people? They aren’t alive like Jesus due to resurrection. The difference between having a dead sanctified person and a living sanctified/non-sanctified person is that the latter is part of the Christian community and their prayer can be verified as actually happening.
@dylancartino8357
@dylancartino8357 8 жыл бұрын
cacca pucca
@dandev3553
@dandev3553 3 жыл бұрын
Show me one scripture where is says to pray to any saint or Mary.. ill wait... "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
(James 5,16) "...and pray for one another..."
@dandev3553
@dandev3553 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyd2383 Pray for one another for our faults, it doesn't say Mary or any saint.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
@@dandev3553 They do not fall into category "one another".? Why not.?
@dandev3553
@dandev3553 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyd2383 So do the saints and Mary need prayer to be healed for their faults? No because they would be with Jesus christ their only savior.
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
@@dandev3553 You are lacking understanding of the aim, goal and purpose of prayers. Think about what prayer is doing to the person that is praying rather than what it does to the "target" of the prayers. Then you may be able to grasp the whole concept of praying.
@micahrobertson7643
@micahrobertson7643 4 жыл бұрын
All saints lived sinful lives.
@rubenalias7250
@rubenalias7250 4 жыл бұрын
We all have, but that doesn't mean they weren't upright. Look at their lives and you'll see
@julienmaamary5216
@julienmaamary5216 4 жыл бұрын
Micah Robertson once you repent and put faith in Jesus sin is washed away my friend and that’s exactly what Saints did plus they devoted everything to The Lord plus aren’t we all sinful that means I shouldn’t be praying to my parents for example if I’m soo sinful.
@sashenkadumerve3017
@sashenkadumerve3017 3 жыл бұрын
Ok so have we all what’s your point?
@patriciasellars9616
@patriciasellars9616 Жыл бұрын
It says in the word We have a great cloud of witnesses It doesn’t say to ask them to pray for us It does say for us to pray for each and to call for the elders to anoint and lay hands on the sick …. your comment that you won’t be praying for your friend anymore is contrary to scriptures and makes me sad 😞 I can’t imagine our Peter dressed in those robes ….
@JamesRendek
@JamesRendek Жыл бұрын
I will pray to the Trinity. If I want extra I will ask for prayers from the living for me. No statues, no momma's, no saints or idols.
@giannihatzianmevris1861
@giannihatzianmevris1861 5 ай бұрын
Praying to Mary & the Saints is unbiblical! There's a difference between asking family or friends to pray For you, to praying To dead people! Jesus is both Mediator & Intercessor. If Jesus is sufficient for both those roles then why do we need to pray to Mary or one of the saints, who by the way, are dead and departed? Yes, they are alive in heaven, however, there is no scriptural basis for praying to them, rather the opposite is true! Intercession is biblical for you and I who are living, to pray FOR one another, but not to pray to departed people. The saints in heaven may be privy to the prayers of the saints on earth. However, nowhere in scripture are we instructed to pray To Them! The Bible actually instructs us to call on God not the Dead! Isaiah 8:19-20 Someone may say to you, “Let’s ask the mediums and those who consult the spirits of the Dead. With their whisperings and mutterings, they will tell us what to do.” But shouldn’t people ask God for guidance? Should the living seek guidance from the Dead? Look to God’s instructions and teachings! People who contradict his word are completely in the dark. By praying To them, we are taking the attributes of God and placing them on mere humans! Only God is Omnipresent(everywhere at once), Omniscient(knowing everything at all times), Omnipotent(all powerful) & Omnibenevolent(supremely Holy & Good). If the word of God tells us to come to Him directly, then why do we need to pray to anyone else??? Take a look at the following scriptural references: Romans 8:34 [34]Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes INTERCESSION for us. Hebrews 4:14-16 [14]Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. [15]For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. [16]Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Hebrews 7:23-27 [23]Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. [24]But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. [25]Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make Intercession for them. [26]For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; [27]who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 1 Timothy 2:5 [5]For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, Acts 4:12 [12]Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Jeremiah 29:12-13 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know. Philippians 4:6-7 [6]Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; [7]and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Romans 8:26-27 [26]Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. [27]Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Matthew 6:6,9-15 [6]But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. [9]In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. [10]Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. [11]Give us this day our daily bread. [12]And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. [13]And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. [14]“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. [15]But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. 1 John 5:14-15 [14]Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. [15]And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him. 2 Chronicles 7:14 [14]if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. Psalms 17:6 [6]I have called upon You, for You will hear me, O God; Incline Your ear to me, and hear my speech. Psalms 102:17 [17]He shall regard the prayer of the destitute, And shall not despise their prayer. Psalms 145:18-19 [18]The Lord is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth. [19]He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him; He also will hear their cry and save them. Proverbs 15:29 [29]The Lord is far from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous. Romans 10:13 [13]For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Romans 10:9-13 [9]If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [10]For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. [11]As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” [12]For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, [13]for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
@sameerauluck3879
@sameerauluck3879 3 ай бұрын
the saints aren't dead
@crimson6172
@crimson6172 2 күн бұрын
Know that every time you Protestants quote the bible, it is the same bible that was compiled and canonised by the Catholic Church. You know, the same Church that says scripture and tradition go together. There is a fundamental contradiction in the Protestant faith when they use a bible compiled by a Church whom they rejected.
@cherokeejack3502
@cherokeejack3502 Жыл бұрын
sorry, unbiblical.. Prayer is a form of worship, so to pray to saints is worshipping them. Asking a live person to pray for you is not the same thing.
@tryingnottobeasmartass757
@tryingnottobeasmartass757 Жыл бұрын
Asking a person living on the Earth to pray for you is to pray to them.
@loreleidorward8651
@loreleidorward8651 2 жыл бұрын
The holy of holies was torn, so we can pray directly to God. So why pray to saints and make them gods . Jesus Christ is are meditator we do not need Mary or any other Saints.
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, it saddens me how orthodoxy proclaim that is the correct faith, and truth, etc, while asks you to bow and to kiss icons, while gives you prayer to saints for different needs, among other things.
@jimoaks9270
@jimoaks9270 6 жыл бұрын
it’s not an issue of who you pray for, or who you ask to pray, it’s who you pray to! you twist the truth.
@julienmaamary5216
@julienmaamary5216 4 жыл бұрын
Brother when they’re saying we’re praying to means they are asking PRAYER is different than WORSHIP. Plus it’s like I’m asking you to pray for me the same with them this isn’t worship it never will be.
@ChaplainDeanna
@ChaplainDeanna Жыл бұрын
The word pray also means ask. My English ancestors would say, “ I pray thee” to ask someone to do something. “ I pray thee come to dinner.” “I pray thee excuse me.” and so on. We were not praying to our friends; we were asking them to do something. We don’t often use the word pray meaning to ask today but that is it’s meaning. Since the first Christians at Antioch, Christians have spoken to their friends in Heaven and asked them things. They are present with us when we worship and it seems rude to not speak to those who are with you. I’m Protestant, by the way, but my heart is opening up to the ancient Orthodox faith.
@theofficialVEVOformu
@theofficialVEVOformu 7 жыл бұрын
But the bibble prohibits praying to saints
@bryanjensen355
@bryanjensen355 7 жыл бұрын
jose lopez no, it doesn't. It teaches against substituting Christ with other gods or idols. Orthodox do not pray to saints for such a purpose. There is no necromancy or mediumship. There is no worship or mediation except for of Christ. Please watch the video again. Best wishes.
@magneticweasel1960
@magneticweasel1960 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, you only ask the saints to help you on your prayer to God
@triggerwarningtruthjustfor5433
@triggerwarningtruthjustfor5433 5 жыл бұрын
Isn't it a bible teaching that women should cover their hair in church?
@pospouris
@pospouris 5 жыл бұрын
Yes it is.
@bonniejohnstone
@bonniejohnstone 5 жыл бұрын
Critical thinker that was Paul who also advised it is better to remain single. He had his opinions. Of course it was common for Jewish women to cover their heads and in the first century, Christians were still going to the Synagogue and meeting on the Lord’s Day (Sunday) also. Covering your hair has never been Church dogma.
@nobamafarce3732
@nobamafarce3732 5 жыл бұрын
@@bonniejohnstone Women's hair was regarded as a sex organ during Paul's lifetime (Hippocrates' teaching). Strands of hair were supposedly hollow and stored sperm.
@nobamafarce3732
@nobamafarce3732 4 жыл бұрын
@@theodosios2615 It explains Paul's use of the Greek for testicles in reference to women's hair.
@inrptn
@inrptn 3 жыл бұрын
Dead people, even if they are saints are not gods. They can't hear you.
@lukasg9031
@lukasg9031 3 жыл бұрын
Rewatch the videos and listen to the words carefully...
@johnnyd2383
@johnnyd2383 3 жыл бұрын
Hebrews 12,22 is the depiction of the Church Militant being united and one with the Church Triumphant. Since we are ONE and SAME united Church, what do you mean by that "they can't hear you"...?
@galaxyrider9599
@galaxyrider9599 2 жыл бұрын
They are not just people. They are chosen vessels of God's Grace. It's not their human nature that hears us.
@user-pj7sq7ce1f
@user-pj7sq7ce1f Жыл бұрын
@@johnnyd2383 you miss out the ecclesia as an assembly and the grace of the Holy Spirit in the saints
@N0die
@N0die 2 жыл бұрын
Praying to the dead is unsupported by scripture . that is all
@dustindustindontworry-jz8dh
@dustindustindontworry-jz8dh Жыл бұрын
None of the Apostles prayed to the "saints", Jesus never taught us to pray to Abraham, Elijah or Moses. True christians don't pray to saints. It's sickening to even think of praying to anyone other than God/Jesus.
@tryingnottobeasmartass757
@tryingnottobeasmartass757 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry you misunderstand what "pray" means and are ignorant of the fact that you pray to other people all the time.
@Zania16ify
@Zania16ify 7 жыл бұрын
PRAY TO JESUS CHRIST, He is the only mediator. Not Mary, not John not Peter, etc. The orthodox tradtitions are nice, but be careful christians, especially new christians and born again christians (like myself) that we are going directly to JESUS CHRIST Himself with all our prayers and concerns, & especially when we repent. when we repent, who do we repent to? Jesus Christ. That's who. So we should be praying to Him as well. Do not be distracted by the relics or icons, they are nice to look at and should be greatly appreciated. But make no mistake. The purpose of going to church is glorifying God and if you have accepted Christ into your heart, in turn the spirit of truth will reside in you. Donnot be distracted. :) God bless us all.
@dittykong9517
@dittykong9517 7 жыл бұрын
please, make the distinction between intercession and mediation. Intercession is the action of intervening on behalf of another. Mediation is intervention in a dispute in order to resolve it. Make no mistake, there is one mediator 1 timothy 2:5 you see, that isn't the whole context of the scripture 1 timothy 2:1-4. making intercessory prayer viable for interceding on behalf of the praying man or women through a saint. And knowing that there is a heavenly church (which you can find at Hebrews 12:22-23) they are able to intercede as they did on earth. plus, we don't repent to saints we repent to Christ Jesus since only He can makes us blameless in the eyes of God. Grace, have humility in your journey with the Lord Jesus Christ. God bless you.
@rolanfernandez6306
@rolanfernandez6306 7 жыл бұрын
Sir when we pray to the saints we ask them to pray for us. We don't treat them.like God. Born agains protestants and other newly founded sects are deceived by the demons through false preachers Remember Jesus said many would come for His name but they are not truly belong to God. If you can trace your church back to the apostles that means you are in the right religion. If a man founded your religion like mormon,jehovah and so on you don't belong to the true church of Christ.
@keithstarkey5584
@keithstarkey5584 6 жыл бұрын
Consider Jesus Himself said to pray, "Our Father," not "Dear Jesus." It isn't that there aren't prayers addressed to Jesus, but that's the exception, not the rule.
@violetbutler2781
@violetbutler2781 6 жыл бұрын
Im not even Orthodox and I ask for people to pray for me
@Isaac5123
@Isaac5123 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely right Grace thank you God Bless. What is the matter with these people? it is as if they are trying to misguide people.. No wonder only a few will be chosen if they listen to these churches
@masridasiregar5448
@masridasiregar5448 2 жыл бұрын
I like her voice, but i can't believe that she is also feminist. How the hell an orthodox chirstian woman can be a feminist at the same time?
@Isaac5123
@Isaac5123 6 жыл бұрын
This woman is absolutely crazy. She will meet her maker like everybody else. Shame on her and others for deceiving the people. There is no room for women to open their mouths in the church or are we to chose which scripture to accept????
@TheWhightKnight
@TheWhightKnight 6 жыл бұрын
You don't have to be so harsh, Tom. She's just sharing her dominations understanding of a specific practice; extend the Fruits of the Spirit, not judgement.
@pospouris
@pospouris 5 жыл бұрын
Take a tranquilizer. She didn't say she will live forever, at least in her body, although we believe that on the second coming we will be raised in our bodies.
@1984potionlover
@1984potionlover 5 жыл бұрын
I see you are living up to the "Dick" part of your name :) Go ahead and put your money where your mouth is..make a video, with you in it, bare faced, and tell us what you and your church believe...post the link, and see if you are capable of taking the criticism you are so eager to dish out. Perhaps, is you are able to, go and re read the four Gospels, and see what Jesus said about women, and how we are to treat each other. As for her state of mind how is she crazy for simply stating the beliefs of her church? Perhaps read Paul with a bit more contemplation, while a hard worker...some of his views are a bit "harsh" especially when it came to things like women and marriage. I have to wonder what you are so snarky about the woman in the video...are you a chauvinist and get a thrill out of finding places and ways to demean women, or is it you just don't agree with orthodoxy and the presenter of the video is right there for you to attack,not with anything Jesus would have said. maybe have a chat with him,and let him guide you in this, and all things? Pax
@m00semanus
@m00semanus 2 жыл бұрын
Aren’t saints dead? They aren’t alive like Jesus is due to resurrection. The difference between having a dead sanctified person and a living sanctified/non-sanctified person is that the latter is part of the Christian community and their being alive means that the prayer can be verified that it actually happens.
@michaelvatson7056
@michaelvatson7056 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't Christ of the first fruits? The first resurrected? So then, when someone dies, the soul leaves the body, the body perishes. But at the end of time, they will resurrect the way Christ did? That means, the souls will reenter their bodies? So then, is soul a different experience than the body experience. If it is not, why would the soul return to the resurrected body? If there is no difference? If praying to saints was such an important thing, if knowing how is on the after life, in great detail (and with details about the process of death and resurrection) wouldn't have it been spoke by the prophets and the apostles, and recorded? Don't we miss the good news? Nothing in this world matters, and what is under the sun will perish and come to nothing? So we don't perish with the world, God came and presented a living sacrifice, so we might stay in the light, who ever belies in Him might not perish but have everlasting life, and who believes in Him does the will of the Father who is in heaven? Believe and love God and to love one another? Remember, how Jesus thought how to pray? Our Father, who art in heaven... (Acts 4:12) There is no salvation by anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved.
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