Thanks for sharing im learning sooo much! I appreciate all of your content.

I got fitted for a 8 degree head I'm 5.7" and your first sentence explained to me exactly what i needed to be reassured thanks !!!

Can you please have more people who has an average swing speed. Please. That is most of us watching your channel.

Would be great to see this same test of clubs at various swing speeds to see the effect of the loft based on various golfers, 80-85-90-95-100-105-110-115, Thomas has the 110-115 and up covered

A former tour and long-drive pro who I discuss golf theory with told me “A power-fade paid the bills.” so the results you got with the 9-degree are, from a practical standpoint, perfect for you. I’m 69 years old and still have the clubhead speed use a 8.5° Mizuno, slightly opened in the grip with the ‘swipe across the ball’ you mentioned and a dynamic of hitting shaped shots I find most today don’t understand because marketing hype has the them focused on STRAIGHT AND LONG. Golf is like war where on each hole the golfer is attacking the castle with the flag the designer put at the end with 101 ways to trick the mind of the golfer into making poor shot shape choices. If all one has in their bag is “straight and long” they are at a disadvantage. For example a typical par 5 hole will have a sand trap or other hazard on the right about 200-230 yards from the middle (men’s) tee and one 250-280 on the left from the back (pro) tees. Why? Because 90%+ of amateurs fall off balance and wind up slicing shots to the right and pros who know how to stay in balance while maxing out compression-rebound on a golf ball usually hook left when they miss trying to get that extra 5 yards out of their drive. That is why the pros on a straight hole will set up facing left aiming swing line directly at the bunker \ on the left then hit the power pull-fade ( to avoid it. The amateur is faced with the opposite problem, that bunker at their driving distance on the right. The ideal strategy is the same, aim at hazard and shape shot away from it ) with a push-draw. To execute a push-draw one must close stance relative to center of fairway / | and close the face of the club via the grip a few degrees. How does this relate to Driver loft? If you normally hit straight with a 10.5° and close it 2° to hit the draw it winds up being a 8.5° making it far more difficult to pull off the draw. The better choice in that situation? Hit 3 a 15° 3W closed 3° which will carry the bunker and put the ball in the middle of the fairway, a bit shorter than driver straight executed perfectly but that all things considered is the lower percentage shot and the only penalty for using 3W vs Driver on the par 5 is taking one or perhaps two more clubs for the second shot, also precisely targeted to the ideal flat lie for executing a shaped shot to the green without flying off the back.

This is prob the best video I’ve seen explained so that even I understand it 😀 wish I was near you to visit and get fitted !!

I went out to the simulator a week ago and hit some drives on the range. Took my driver from 10.5* to 8* and found 8* to be the best for me at this time. My swing speed hovers around the 100mph mark +/- 3 mph. With my current swing I am not hitting up enough on the ball and it is causing my spin rate to be in the 3500-4000 rpm range. The 10.5* setting hit the ball way too high and floated too much sacrificing carry and roll distance. Dropping the loft took down the spin to the low 3000 range and brought my height down to the 90-110 foot range which puts that right in line with my swing speed. Overall carry distance increased by about 6-10 yards and total roll out increased by another 10-15 yards. My dispersion remained the same. With more practice, I'll start hitting up on the ball more which should drop my spin rate in to the low 2000's. Once that happens, I'll probably have to put a bit of loft back on the club as my height will drop too much and I will be sacrificing distance. May have to up it to the 9-10* range then. For me, it's good to have a driver with as many adjustments as I could find. I have been working a lot on my swing to cure my slice and looking to add a draw in to my game. Playing with toe and heel weighting, a front/back slide weight, and adjustable loft on the head gives me a lot of flexibility with the driver to adapt with me as my swing gets better.

Great video. Very useful information. Your 9 degree had the least dispersion and a slight fade. Lee Trevino would've been proud.

only thing i noticed when swapping from 8.5>12.5 was how much height i gained and thats it. I gained so much height andI lost so much distance using 12.5 and my bad shots were just as much right as 8.5 loft

IMO, driver loft should be adjusted to fit the person's swing. If they're not staying behind the ball & swinging up, they may not realize their flatter swing plane, is responsible for the low trajectory rather than the club loft. This was exactly the issue I had. I was swinging the driver much the same as my irons, moving my weight too far forward & over rotating my hips which resulted in a too low trajectory but not because of the loft of my driver. Be sure you're swinging a bit up while staying behind the ball. If your shoulders are level rather than your trail shoulder lower than the front, it could also partially responsible for your slice. Check these points before changing your driver adjustments.

Conditions like wind and firmness of the fairways are important factors. 8° was the sweet spot, but I think I am gonna crank it up to 9 again

Thanks Thomas, another great video! I DIDNT REALISE THAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS SO MINIMAL..

I game a TM M5 Tour 10.5 deg set to 9.75 deg to open the head a little. Avg spin at 1900-2000 RPM.

Great video! I am getting fitted tomorrow for a driver and this is definitely helpful when considering the loft angle. Appreciate it Tom.

The draw/fade bias with respect to loft is interesting. Thanks for the video

Switched to a 12 degree Callaway XR turned down to 11 degrees in Draw bias. Now I swing maybe 70-80% and rarely miss a fairway.

Please do this same test with a mid-to-high handicap golfer?

Thank you so much

If you had hit up 4.7 degrees with the 9 too wouldn't there have been a bigger gap in spin loft and therefore distance?

Great video to understand effects of different loft settings

Always great videos - well done lads. This one is particularly interesting! Fantastic stuff thank you.

Thankyou. A really meaningful experiment with useable conclusions.

Why would loft affect the way your turn over the club face at impact? Is there a different swing needed for different lofts, though swinging at same club head speed?

Great video. Answered my questions perfectly. Thanks

Great video. I'm a slicer. Signed up for lessons and a fitting. Hope to fix it this year.

You’ve read my mind. I want to order a SIM 2 but wondering what loft to get. Play a Callaway rogue atm at 9 degrees but spins too much which is a problem as it is usually windy at the course I play. Obviously the SIM 2 is a lower spinning head so maybe get the same loft but would like a bit of help in playing a draw which is needed on most holes at our course so thinking of getting an 8 and loft it up a bit to close the face.

Hi Thomas, great video as usual. Given how close the 9 and 10.5 were maybe you should measure each driver for actual loft. There is a fair bit of tolerance from the factory so they may have had a lot less than the 1.5 degree difference stated.

Thanks for doing this. Interestingly in a recent fitting I was recommended a 12.5 degree driver which seemingly on four shots got more distance that the 9.75 and 10.5 settings. However as dis-erosion widened slightly a shorter shaft - 44.5 was suggested to attain more control as I also tried a 43 inch shaft on a 10.5 driver but lost distance but had tight dispersion. So a combination it seems of the loft, swing speed obviously and shaft might result in a mix like it seems it has for me. Only time will tell if that works out on the course. At least in this case I was achieving a spin of 2063, launch angle of 18.8, smash of 1.48 and peak height of 93 ft.

Very good video and plain english explanation, well done.

I use a 9° currently, and I definitely hit with a fade so I always aim a bit left, I am intrigued to try something slightly higher now

Love this video. Thanks for making this kind of content.

Love the slow takeaway, great swing

Wow great video I was thinking loft down get that extra distance, roll etc but think after this I’ll stick to the 10.5 😊

Good information. Thanks for sharing

Great videos...Could you please explain how you are adding dynamic loft to the driver without leaving the face open. I am swinging my driver at 97-100 mph with a 10.5 degree driver with 10-12 dynamic loft and that is with hitting up 3 ish degrees. Causing low spin and low launch. Thanks

10.5 forever for me!! 9 was too inconsistent and low

Beautiful swing.

Good comparison. Thanks for vid

Yeah i've found a new channel to follow. really good info, i seen a few now and it would be silly for me not to hit that bell! +1

No problem love all the content

Excellent review, helped a lot !!!

I would be curious what the true loft of the driver heads are???

Always learn something new 👏

Great info.

changing the loft will change the lie angle which might explain the prevailing dispersion. Adding loft is more upright. Decreasing loft flattens the lie.

I went up to an 11.5 and my accuracy is better but it has totally zapped my distance by at least 12-15 yards.

You have a killer swing..

Great video guys

I was told that for a slow swing speed (85mph) that a higher loft would increase distance. I can't seem to get faster will loft help me get longer?

I wonder why the new Callaway rogue 2022 is a 9°

You would think that the draw bias would have a further distance pattern than the fade bias.

good video, thank you

normally i find your videos very informative. This one less so, however. The inferences you have drawn are not warranted by the evidence presented in that there is an alternative explanation at least for left/center/right dispersion. You used the same head and lofted it up. Doing so invariably closes the face. Closing the face is at least as good an explanation of the change in location of the drives. What you need to do is to find separate heads of 9, 10.5 and 12 (and same lie angle -- as lie angle can also impact direction: flatter opens face, upright closes it at impact which explains why some players, like me who prefer a face that is open at address, use higher lofted heads of some drivers then loft them down a bit). So the better test would have been 3 heads (12, 10.5, 9) with same lie angle and the same shaft.

so in general, if I am a new golfer and using a 12 degree loft, I can slightly change my stance and feet positioning to get the shot grouping more toward the center without changing my swing?

How would i be able to get my 10.5 degree loft driver down to maybe a 5 degree loft or even 7.5?

Would a 9deg loft be ideal for a beginner?

How small is small with you ?

The problem with this test was only hitting up on driver. Not everyone does that. I could see a 12 deg being better if you don’t hit up on it.

6:10 More loft closes the face. Less loft opens the face. Not surprised you had a more square face with the increased loft.....

Test someone with a 90MPH swing and make this more of a real world scenario.

The degree on the face doesn't necessarily correlate. I have a Ping G400 max 9°, set as low as it will go and it's probably still a little high in launch. Hzrdus smoke black stiff. I just got the Hogan GS53 Max 9°. Tensei blue stiff. Have it set max high and it's still a little low. So.... Make sure you hit them in the real world (on a golf course) before you buy them.

John Rahm has his driver at 10.5 I always thought tour players have their driver at really low lofts compared to us ordinary humans.

I will stick to my 4.5 degree long tom driver.

Seems like a 9.5* would be ideal for you. Haha

This is useless since it is not accurate. Unless you use a robotic swing arm, there’s no point to compare them.