It's like Urquell with hops, nice!

One day I hope!

Emphasizing THIS

But it is also made with all German and Czech hops, so not really a West Coast inspired beer.

@@TheCraftBeerChannel Very good point, but the flavor profile with a bit of hops, especially on the nose, has always reminded me of sort of a West Coast IPA, but at the same time obviously not.

I think it's probably to associate with the style, though with that ABV it's more an IPL!

Couldn’t agree more. One of the best “summer” beers you can buy in the UK I reckon 🍻

Baladin makes a quite tasty Italian pilsner. These two fine gents appreciation of the style made me try it, and along their Strong Ale, their Pilsner is very good.

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Maybe one day. We're actually soon about to attempt another style mentioned in this video....

@@TheCraftBeerChannel Italian Pilsner, bring it on!

Indeed! Great beer. Great reminder.

Or indeed some trousers!

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Not come across it, sounds delicious but looks like an IPL to me! Big ABV, IPA levels of bitterness, even won some awards in IPA categories!

Quite possibly! But this is true of all beer styles - they are made by lots of different breweries and in many different ways before someone sees the pattern and gives them a name. It's true of all kinds of historic beers - Porter, IPA, mild, American pales....

Certainly a close comparison but the malt character, bitterness and finish are very different.

Haha me too... Still not sure I understand what they are or why they are...

The Beer Merchants Tap in Hackney Wick

@@TheCraftBeerChannel looks a great bar

The Beer Merchants Tap in Hackney Wick

Fairly certain we will at some point soon!

Let us know how things look and how the beers are! They were bought out by a less than reputable company recently so I hope they are doing OK.

​@TheCraftBeerChannel I visited Purity today. They did talk about the investment which was nice to hear. It all seems very positive from their perspective and it made sense. They were in administration so it was investment or bust at the end of 2023. Their set up is really neat. Brewery on a small farm. They recycle water to combat the amount of water it takes to produce a pint and their beers are great. I really hope they continue to succeed. They are a local brewery to me and are doing a great job of it.

I haven't but will seek it out!

Ha I see the concern but honestly, there hasn't been a more diverse brewing scene since the mid 1800s. You just gotta look past the hashtags and hype.

WHere is your figure from? According to the BA, craft sales are more like 20% by dollar value and have been growing, albeit it very slowly, in share. Volumes overall are struggling, however - which is where beers like this do come in, for sure.

To be honest, I don't see NZ Pils as a style. It certainly started simple as a switch out of Saaz/Hallertau for motueka and some other NZ hops, so wasn't necessarily dry hopped and definitely not to the tune that WC Pils are. I don't think an NZ Pils could ever be described as smelling like an IPA, so to me it's a sub-category of pilsner

@@TheCraftBeerChannel ok fair enough. Now I need to go and find me a WC Pils to try!!😋

The Beer Merchants Tap in Hackney Wick. Best beer bar in London, and only partly because Jonny helped open it.

@@TheCraftBeerChannel wow great stuff - will pop down next time I’m down south 👍

I mean I wouldn't necessarily call it a new style, but I think it is different enough to need to be distinguished from anything else out there so it goes beyond marketing.

Haha I hope no one would ask you to leave - but I would say you probably want more like 2:1 ration of Pils to WCIPA

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Because the yeast, malt, techniques and temps are all different to an American pale ale. As a result the flavour is very different - most notably lacking any kind of caramel malt depth

@@TheCraftBeerChannel thanks for clarifying. I'll have to brew one now as I'm intrigued!

I think it is kind of the opposite - craft brewers trying to sell to macro drinkers!

@@TheCraftBeerChannel by now I think the majority of macro drinkers have made their mind up. Maybe its true for the UK. Im not there enough to see trends per se. Here I see the opposite trend. Then again, its one of the few places where the craft beer revolution is booming.

To be honest, it's NZ Pils that I don't see as a style. It certainly started simple as a switch out of Saaz/Hallertau for motueka and some other NZ hops, so wasn't necessarily dry hopped and definitely not to the tune that WC Pils are. I don't think an NZ Pils could ever be described as smelling like an IPA, so to me it's a sub-category of pilsner

@@TheCraftBeerChannel I've definitely had very highly dry hopped NZ Pils (outside of NZ), and some use US hops while some WC Pils use NZ hops, just seems like a bit of a grey area. Maybe there is a better name that can cover all "Hoppy Pale Lager"

Interesting to hear, and I'd love to see more interesting, nuanced and historic approaches to lager brewing in the UK! THere was a great pod by The Craft Beer & Brewing pod with Chris Lohring of Notch on this topic recently

@@TheCraftBeerChannel oh my back in the 90's and early 00's huge surges on historical or "lost" recipes...this page at Oregon State University has some blurbs and pointers to additional info - since links get scrubbed a lot of times, the title of the page is "Beer Research Guide: Styles/Recipes" and web searching that phrase, as is, will bring you to the page and I copied a text from the section (which I posted as plain text, there are links on the original page): RECIPES AND RECREATIONS The accessibility and availability of historic recipes varies. As the U.S. industry consolidated in the 1950s through 1980s, many records were lost, destroyed, or transferred to corporate archives. Advertisements in local papers often include descriptions of styles or characteristics of the beer, which can be helpful in thinking about what that beer was like. There is an abundance of books and websites with historic recipe recreations for commercial and home brewers. Here are a couple of posts by Boak and Bailey about styles. Further Reading #1: Understanding Lager Further Reading #2: Understanding IPA But you can get lost in internet searching and reviewing discussion boards, so here's a list of some sources to get you started. Alexander, John. 1986. Brewing lager. London: Argus Books. Buhner, Stephen Harrod. Sacred and Herbal Healing Beers : The Secrets of Ancient Fermentation. Boulder, Colo.: Siris Books, 1998. Hieronymus, Stan. 2005. Brew like a monk: Trappist, abbey, and strong Belgian ales and how to brew them. Boulder, Colo: Brewers Publications. Krennmair, Andreas. 2018. Historic German And Austrian Beers For The Home Brewer. 1st ed. Independently published. McGovern, Patrick E. 2018. Ancient brews: rediscovered and re-created. New York: W. W. Norton. Mosher, Randy, and Michael Jackson. 2004. Radical Brewing: recipes, tales, and world altering meditations in a glass. Noonan, Gregory J. 2003. New brewing lager beer: the most comprehensive book for home- and microbrewers. Boulder, Colo: Brewers Publications. Renfrow, Cindy. 2008. A sip through time: collection of old brewing recipes. Thomas, Keith, Kayleigh Ironside, Lisa Clark, and Lewis Bingle. 2021. "Preliminary microbiological and chemical analysis of two historical stock ales from Victorian and Edwardian brewing." Journal of the Institute of Brewing. Turczyn, Amahl. 1997. A year of beer: 260 seasonal homebrew recipes. Boulder, Colo: Brewers Publications. Wahl, Robert. American Handy-book of the Brewing, Malting and Auxiliary Trades. 1902. Find all the Style books published by Brewers Publications. There are also projects to recreate recipes in academic or cultural heritage settings. Lost Lagers Travis Rupp and Beer Archaeology Patrick McGovern "Indiana Jones of Ancient Ales, Wines, and Extreme Beverages."

@@TheCraftBeerChannel YT lost my response so I'll nutshell it - there were big surges in the 90's and 00's to find and recreate historical/lost beers here in Oregon. This page at Oregon State University has a bunch of pointers to more info; I'm providing page title and using it on web search will find the page (links don't survive well in YT comments) - search "Beer Research Guide: Styles/Recipes" and this page will appear (pasted in plain text, the site has links for everything, and there's a LOT more info/data there): RECIPES AND RECREATIONS The accessibility and availability of historic recipes varies. As the U.S. industry consolidated in the 1950s through 1980s, many records were lost, destroyed, or transferred to corporate archives. Advertisements in local papers often include descriptions of styles or characteristics of the beer, which can be helpful in thinking about what that beer was like. There is an abundance of books and websites with historic recipe recreations for commercial and home brewers. Here are a couple of posts by Boak and Bailey about styles. Further Reading #1: Understanding Lager Further Reading #2: Understanding IPA But you can get lost in internet searching and reviewing discussion boards, so here's a list of some sources to get you started. Alexander, John. 1986. Brewing lager. London: Argus Books. Buhner, Stephen Harrod. Sacred and Herbal Healing Beers : The Secrets of Ancient Fermentation. Boulder, Colo.: Siris Books, 1998. Hieronymus, Stan. 2005. Brew like a monk: Trappist, abbey, and strong Belgian ales and how to brew them. Boulder, Colo: Brewers Publications. Krennmair, Andreas. 2018. Historic German And Austrian Beers For The Home Brewer. 1st ed. Independently published. McGovern, Patrick E. 2018. Ancient brews: rediscovered and re-created. New York: W. W. Norton. Mosher, Randy, and Michael Jackson. 2004. Radical Brewing: recipes, tales, and world altering meditations in a glass. Noonan, Gregory J. 2003. New brewing lager beer: the most comprehensive book for home- and microbrewers. Boulder, Colo: Brewers Publications. Renfrow, Cindy. 2008. A sip through time: collection of old brewing recipes. Thomas, Keith, Kayleigh Ironside, Lisa Clark, and Lewis Bingle. 2021. "Preliminary microbiological and chemical analysis of two historical stock ales from Victorian and Edwardian brewing." Journal of the Institute of Brewing. Turczyn, Amahl. 1997. A year of beer: 260 seasonal homebrew recipes. Boulder, Colo: Brewers Publications. Wahl, Robert. American Handy-book of the Brewing, Malting and Auxiliary Trades. 1902. Find all the Style books published by Brewers Publications. There are also projects to recreate recipes in academic or cultural heritage settings. Lost Lagers Travis Rupp and Beer Archaeology Patrick McGovern "Indiana Jones of Ancient Ales, Wines, and Extreme Beverages."

Czechia he said, you know, used to be the Czech Republic?

Fun fact: They do selling beer in Chechnya, but only in certain hotels to tourists only (and to Kaderovites secretly ).

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@@NOFX_86 I dont know. I doubt it. I have only tried Kist beer (same ethnicity) in Georgia, made in the Tusheti. It was non alcoholic and more like gruit. It border chechnya. I know Ossetians and Tushebi have a beer culture. But they aren’t Muslim caucasians. If you want - check it out below - Kisturi Beer Brewery - ლუდსახარში ქისტური www.google.com/maps/place/Kisturi+Beer+Brewery+-+ლუდსახარში+ქისტური,+Akhmeta-Batsara,+Omalo/@42.6954255,45.7141606,7z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x4045a5689fcb731b:0x35c81937a81859ee!8m2!3d42.192528!4d45.319733!16s%2Fg%2F11nxqq37x3?hl=en-ge

I think you might be missing the point of these beers - it isn't to replace traditional pilsner. It is here to offer IPA drinkers a hoppy experience in a lighter, crisper beer. It is an addition, not a replacement.

​@@TheCraftBeerChannel ​I understand what is going on. I personally am not a fan. I'm certain you will agree that being a craft beer fan doesn't mean that we have to be a fan of all styles.

To me there is definitely a difference. IPL was attempting to be a crisp and clean IPA - these beers are nothing of the sort, save for the aroma. On the pilsner point, I totally understand your point of view but to me it's more misleading to just label everything that isn't Pilsner "lager". People already erroneously assume lager is a style, and I think it is more helpful to explain to drinkers the difference between something from the pilsner style, or the helles, or the marzen styles. So I think these terms should be used as much as possible... if they actually point to a difference in the beers.

The origins/histories of beer styles have forever been blurry, claimed by many different people, and disputed. Porter , IPA, mild, even Pilsner don't have nice simple stories. Clearly this style of beer has been made before and we even reference that in the video. But the concept, name, excitement and press coalesced around Timbo Pils. Digging into its true lineage would be an investigative episode itself with many different strands. We've done that with Porter and IPA...probs won't with this one!

This is a little cynical. It's an attempt by breweries to create the hoppy beer they know their customers love but with an ABV, price point and drinkability that means they can enjoy a few more when they are drinking. This is how all beer styles, stretching back hundreds of years, have been invented - through trying something new.

@@TheCraftBeerChannel yeah only messing. Good answer/comeback.

Sounds like a great match!