What FFB is realistic for sim drifting? (2 to 20 Nm)

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I tested sim drifting at different force feedback strengths from 2 Nm all the way up to 20 Nm using my direct drive wheelbase, combined with my years of experience drifting real cars, to lean which FFB strength was too weak and a waste of money, which range was good for sim enthusiasts on a limited budget, which is perfect for a sim drifting "forever purchase" and where FFB is too much and you end up paying for wheel strength that you don't actually need.
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@KameTrick Ай бұрын

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@gothops154 Ай бұрын

I don’t know why people want 20nm wheels. It’s simply not realistic, at least for the driving I do (even F1 cars have power steering, but F2 doesn’t so idk). I do rally racing in real life and the sim and these cars all have power steering, you don’t need to fight the wheel with every fiber of your being, it’s should be quite easy actually. Depending on the game I might even turn my G Pro down to 4nm like in Dirt Rally and other times keep it up to 10nm in games like WRC10, because the game is definitely not using all 10nm, so there is some game to game difference vs real life as well. But the moral of the story here is you shouldn’t be fighting with your wheel, that does not add realism. Pick a NM that allows feedback to come thru and the wheel to self steer (at least in the case of DD wheels) while still being able to quickly manipulate the wheel yourself. If anything the biggest difference is between a cheaper belt driven wheel and a real DD wheel, that’s the biggest realism improvement you can give yourself.

@smallbutdeadly931 Ай бұрын

cuz 21nm is funny

@dienkonig33 Ай бұрын

The new for 2024 F2 car does have power steering actually, so even that is off the table now.

@UTubeSL Ай бұрын

Thanks, and props to you for doing rally driving in real life! Mind if I ask whether you think Dirt Rally or WRC are realistic (damage simulation aside)?

@josephbornman8462 Ай бұрын

@@UTubeSL Regardless, RBR is super easy to recommend. There are many, many real-life stages that are imo very well done by modders And though there are some limitations, they've done well to give good logic to the game for rally car driving, and give you some options that you don't get in those games Also, you are able to download different voice packs people have made, as well as edit your own pacenotes (or, as I prefer, download Luppis' collection of all his edited pacenotes). This matters because the default pacenotes are not consistent among all modders, and I found that distracting. Coveniently, there was a solution for it Anyway, my point is I totally recommend RBR for the stages and feel of driving alone. Though the new games have advantages of their own of course

@zepos Ай бұрын

Do you think it's worth to go from g29 to t300 RS or save and go straight to moza r5?

@spacedoutcowboy5211 Ай бұрын

This video shows how much quiter nice DD wheels are compared to entry level gear drive wheels. My logitec G920 was so loud

@JimmyNuisance Ай бұрын

My G25 was also mad loud compared to the T-GT2 I have these days. DD is even much more quiet than the belt driven T-GT2 I have. I really want Thrustmaster to make a DD base for Playstation dammit... I need it for GT7 in VR.

@aguywhoplaysracinggames8607 27 күн бұрын

@@JimmyNuisancethe entry level fanatec dd wheels and pedals work for both ps4 and ps5, and theyre only 5nm so can still just mount it to a desk if you dont have a rig

@larniaxx 25 күн бұрын

Hey I’ve been thinking of getting this one with the extra 3 nm cable , do you think it’d be worth waiting a few more weeks to get or jumping straight away to the t300rs gt? I just want to be able to be satisfied and have a good enough feedback and immersing experience. I notice it’s almost double the price for the dd but also double the nm , could I please get your opinion?@@aguywhoplaysracinggames8607

@MazdaChris 18 күн бұрын

One thing not mentioned here, but worth keeping in mind, is that you ideally want to be using any wheel at less than 100%. This is less of a specific issue with drifting but definitely something for grip driving, since when you're at 100% you can run into a lot of clipping - this is where the motor is operating at its maximum force and can't go further, so you lose all the fine detail from the feedback. You want to have 10-20% of headroom on your wheel to avoid this.

@staffanstuff Ай бұрын

REGARDING FANATEC: The base is what makes it compatible with Playstation. The wheel is what makes it compatible with Xbox. So you can use the GT DD Pro/DD+/Extreme with an Xbox compatible wheel and, boom, you can play PC, Playstation and Xbox with the same rig. CSL DD/Clubsport DD will not work the other way around though so you'll be stuck with PC/Xbox only.

@xTheEcO Ай бұрын

Product lines confuse me, so just to double check, if I wanted to have a mostly PC wheel with occasional GT7 on PS5: Get something like DD+ (If I want 12~15nm), and any wheels (GT3, F1, Round wheel for drifting etc) and (Fanatec) pedals? and I should have no problems?

@staffanstuff Ай бұрын

@@xTheEcO That's correct. Any Fanatec wheel/pedals with DD+ and you're good to go... When playing GT7 you'll plug ONE usb cable to the console because the wheel base acts as a periphery hub (RJ12 connectors) for pedals/handbrake. That's why you can't use a sweet handbrake from VNM (usb connector) when playing PS5 for instance. PC - no problem. And I guess you'll do most of the drifting on PC anyway..

@K.O.I_WORK Ай бұрын

Collective minds Drive hub fixes all that for $80

@bumblebeeisfree Ай бұрын

Even more of a reason to go with the DD pro. Interesting

@freshcoastdrifttracks6074 Ай бұрын

Sick seeing you drrive my speedsportz track on video! Great video idea and well executed!

@bullit199 Ай бұрын

Great work Kame Trick! Can see loads of time and effort went into this one. Great script, b-roll, images, and analysis based on your skills and experience!

@brapgarage Ай бұрын

Excellent video, Ben. Fun and informational. Now I know what wheel to aim for next!

@gtrslngrchris Ай бұрын

Great video! Production level through the roof, man!

@LaidbackMarco Ай бұрын

Wow Kame nice to see you upload another video! The production quality has gone up and you look so healthy glad to see !!

@RedPanda_______ 13 күн бұрын

Fantastic video! This explains the importance and the necessary strength of ffb perfectly!

@F34RALI Ай бұрын

Tysm for this video I've been looking for a video like this for so long pls continue make more content like this

@steveswanproductionstt6355 Ай бұрын

A well needed video in the sim realm. Thanks for this video. I just upgraded from the logitech 27 to the logitech dd pro racing wheel. Can't wait to jump in

@deyandimitrov9457 Ай бұрын

This is actually a pretty good explanation and tutorial! Good job! 👍🏻

@rcsibiu Ай бұрын

Thrustmaster T300 RS GT was an absolute PERFECT wheel for me. 3 pedals, cool shifter, nice 1080°of rotation, great alcantara finish for the stitches, I loved that wheel. I have some videos on my channel using it. Then I took my driving license and swapped for a real wheel in an Opel Astra G from 2001. I still miss my T300 and plan to buy a new one soon just for fun, also my daughter will learn to drive so she will need it for practice *(City Car Simulator is a MUST play for any new driver)

@mega4507 Ай бұрын

the production quality is insane!! always great to see new videos keep it up!

@Duwentor Ай бұрын

And not a word about the fact that in the case of 4-6 nm bases, it will be necessary to turn their power to the limit (to achieve the power recommended in this video) and during long sessions at 100% they will overheat or break down faster. This is not yet a category of products where they are capable of large and long-term loads.

@bumblebeeisfree Ай бұрын

Well this is only a recommendation. While I am highly considering getting the fanatec dd pro as an upgrade from the g29. Doesnt mean that I will go out and make a blind purchase just because Ben recommended it, I have to do my own research.so yeah I understand the criticism as there are plenty of people that will do that without doing research on their own.

@magnusr3428 Ай бұрын

Yeah exactly. I'd much rather be running my expensive hardware well within its capacity rather than right on the limit every time

@NovaPog37 Ай бұрын

this is a great video! explained perfectly what I've felt with the g920 and later on with my t300rs, just got a used moza r5 and it's miles better, the force feedback isn't much stronger but the details make it so much better

@AdamsApples Ай бұрын

Very educational video. Thanks for all of these comparisons! Gonna have to upgrade from my TMX eventually lol

@mrchew5326 25 күн бұрын

Great video! This is one of the most informative sim racing buying guides I’ve ever seen. Thank you for the great content!

@KameTrick 24 күн бұрын

I appreciate that, thanks for taking the time to say so :)

@DBoone123 Ай бұрын

Kame always has the best sim drift videos out there, god bless

@TheBlackHombre Ай бұрын

This is the definitive video for where to get started into sim drifting. Amazing job

@mph2954 Ай бұрын

I thought so aswell but arnt some wheel badrs peak torque ans sime constant rated torque?

@TheBlackHombre Ай бұрын

@@mph2954 Yes, but the majority of wheel bases advertise their peak torque - not sustained torque. From personal experience, my Moza R9 (peak torque of 9nm) does everything I need for drifting, and is capable of maintaining a fast enough wheel speed even after a long play session. So according to KameTrick, having a wheelbase with either a peak or sustained torque between 8 - 12nm will give you a great drifting experience.

@bumblebeeisfree Ай бұрын

The definitive channel you mean. Kame trick really is hidden gold.

@limitetpancake9459 Ай бұрын

I've been drifting for over 3y with a logitech g920 with a custom 32cm non deep-dish wheel, and I fully agree that 2.5nm is just not enough from a gear driven wheel. when im upgrading i wanted the moza r5, but im thinking about getting the r9 after seeing this video. thanks for the great advice

@tonyyimbo Ай бұрын

You need to upload more . Your content is smooth .

@KalElRedK Ай бұрын

Very informative and well-made video!

@ckaile211 Ай бұрын

damn this video is mad good kame trick mad props dude

@BuddaDrifts Ай бұрын

Hey kame with another banger ... slide on man❤

@neonnerd1364 Ай бұрын

Great video. I'm looking to upgrade my wheel soon since I'm using a g920 with an aftermarket wheel. It's not too bad but I have noticed it doesn't quite spin fast enough on certain cars and it does clip and shake a ton when ffb and centering force is cranked up to compensate but I've still had a blast on it since it's what got me into Sim drifting.

@gtrslngrchris Ай бұрын

I started on a G923 and got mildly competent and when I got my DD wheel I instantly leveled up by a large degree. You can absolutely make it work on the lower end wheels but it's such a better experience with a belt drive or DD wheel.

@neonnerd1364 Ай бұрын

@@gtrslngrchris ya I definitely want to upgrade. I only got the g920 because I got the wheel pedals and shifter used for $200 usd and it was like brand new and I didn't want to spend an arm and a leg just in case I didn't get that into it. Now I'm super into it and I've quickly found the limits of the g920 but I've been making it work as much as I can for the time being. I started on live for speed and then switched to assetto and beamng once I got my first gaming pc last summer.

@cheemsstar6882 Ай бұрын

I have been sim drifting for 4 years on a cheap ass g920 in assetto and beamng, sims that are fairly hard to master and learn. And even tho i sometimes see the lack of information from my wheel, i learned to predict when the wheel is gonna underdeliver on the FFB and still was able to gain confidence in my driving and put togheter some nice tandems. Still i would love to get my hands on some nice DD rig. Lovely video:)

@DeandreMurray Ай бұрын

Very cool video and extremely useful!

@musicbykarma Ай бұрын

Extremely useful video, thank you

@samo3931 28 күн бұрын

Your pronaunciation of Tykkimäki, Kouvola was a OK. Was a bit confused that you suddenly said the name of my hometown. Anyway, thank you for the video, it was really helpful. Greetings from Kouvola, Finland!

@KameTrick 24 күн бұрын

Haha yeah, I love small and technical tracks, so I'm always on the looking for neat IRL venues from around the world! I'd love to visit and cut some laps there, someday :)

@franckchalut Ай бұрын

great video quality upgrade ! 👍 looks very professionnal. I use the csl dd with 5nm, feals similar to my irl 22 brz with electric steering, would say above 5nm would be great if you want to emulate hydraulic pumps.

@MigotRen 28 күн бұрын

thank you for making this video. Ive been sim driving casually (time attack and freeroaming mostly) for years now after I bought a g27 from my first wage ever and never bothered with another one. because it worked fine as far as I can tell with its 3NM. for normal grip driving i never felt that i needed more finesse and i got used to the "clankyness" of the wheel. of course in never drive real cars as close to the limit so the torge felt adaquite. Ive always felt that its hard for me to control my drifts and always thought im just bad at it but never got really better than OK at it. now i will actually get a dd wheel base to see the differnece myself. or maybe that has some time casue i jsut spend 4k on mods for my actually real rs3 lol

@MikePruszkowski Ай бұрын

Awesome vid, love it. 👌

@KilIlugh Ай бұрын

Great video! And very true about it being better to save than buying the cheapest option. I recently switched from a g923 to a fanatec DD and it’s so night and day different, I should’ve done it sooner.

@Benedict00 Ай бұрын

Which one

@Bap-wv7ur 9 күн бұрын

Probably the csl dd, its the best value direct drive wheel rn, 400$ for the wheel and pedals @Benedict00

@FellowshipOfTheAviatorZ Ай бұрын

First I want to say, Thank you, for such an informative video. not many reviewers cover so many choices in one video. Just wanted to say at 8:15 The Cammus C5 actually has a rated/listed Holding Torque of 5nm but has been reviewed and recorded many times hitting all the way up to 8-9nm of peak torque which lands it above even the boost kit CSL's peak torque of 8nm! (The holding torque of 8nm CSL is around 5-6nm) The smaller rim size and overall look of the wheel may deter some.. I happen to quite like its quirky look, but with its shaftless motor design the return speed is amazingly good for drifting, and in my experience it hits Waaay above its weight class in terms of overall strength in its FFB and feels very hefty in Rally. For the price, it just can't be beat. From what I've seen C12 also has a listed Holding Torque of 12nm but actual Peak Torque is closer to 15-16nm. Its just the way Cammus rates their products. I highly recommend the C5 (I don't own a C12) For its price and performance its very good, just be mindful of any local warehouse near your country to help keep shipping costs down. Again, great video, man.

@UTubeSL Ай бұрын

Great video! Thank you.

@jansandera1664 14 күн бұрын

13:49 yoo that bicep

@BinderVR 6 күн бұрын

this is so true. I completely agree with you. I use Fanatec GT DD PRO on 8Nm, on PS5. Just perfect. My older steering wheels are G27, T300, T500, but the DD is a perfect choice.

@SuperDrifts 15 күн бұрын

great video 👍🏼

@patrickhernas7793 Ай бұрын

Thans for the nice video! Did you share your VRS / AC1 settings somewhere? Is there a reason why you lead the cables of your VRS base upwards in your fov. Instead of leading these out to the side and letting the 90 degree angles point backwards?

@michaknowsbest Ай бұрын

Exzellent Video ❤ Can you share your Settings for the VRS Base and in AC.

@krestjanin_psycho 9 күн бұрын

Thank you for the video! Could you please share, how you prefer to set up your force feedback? Do you set the wheel in the driver to 100% and adjust the levels in the game or vice-versa?

@Danno-xs6jv 2 күн бұрын

Very informative. All these years I thought it was me (Logitech G29 user)

@ImperviouslyGaming Ай бұрын

honestly my main issue has always been getting the settings ingame as well as IRL wheel settings dialed to the point It feels realistic and perfect.. I have a ClubSport Wheel Base V2.5 by fanatec I bought when it was new, and I have gotten it to an acceptable setting for "drifting" but then i need to change settings if I wanna grip race cause it feels so off for grip, and then my grip settings feel really off for drifting. Any chance you have the perfect setting combo for the CSW 2.5 for assetto corsa? I mainly just drift but I feel like the ideal settings should be able to work for either or.

@muziccreator101 Ай бұрын

I just setup my PXN V10 how my real car drives. I mostly just run GT3 cars. I tried drifting once in Assetta Corsa. Worked fine.

@rindoisumairu1194 Ай бұрын

I have a g29 which I bought it 4 years ago so I'm considering to upgrade from 8 - 12 NM steering wheel so any recommendation??

@salvador4016 Ай бұрын

I have a moza r5 would you recommend me to run at 100 percent force feedback in game in app currently running at 80% my wheel oscillates at 100 and honestly just feels like I’m driving a car with no power steering

@driftkid270 Ай бұрын

Best content out there!

@vallenthorpe6495 3 күн бұрын

How were you knowing how much nm of force each wheel had? On the Logitech for example, were you just using default settings or turning the force feed back all the way up?

@andrewgerhardt8280 22 күн бұрын

I currently run the tmx and I can agree with what he’s saying about the tmx

@Grifter_Cash 3 күн бұрын

Since I like to play semi-arcade and semi-simulator games like FH5 and Assetto Corsa more than IRacing and any F1 games this video cleared a lot of questions I had about getting a new base. My G27 is getting way too old and I was looking for something to be able to focus more on simply driving around and drifting more than anything else. Since I read a lot of times a DD base motor is somewhat like a speaker and you don't ever want to put the FFB at 100% just like you never put the volume of a speaker at 100% I went from wanting a Moza R9 to Moza R12. Then I saw a comparison between the Moza R12 and Simagic Alpha Mini and the guy said because of the fact Simagic divided the wheel into 262144 instead of 32768 like Moza, the FFB is way smoother and way less janky. Also people noticed the FFB was quiet strong for a 10nm and calculated the Simagic Alpha Mini may be advertised as 10nm but is actually more around 13nm. So I hope a "13nm" running at 70% or 75%, around 9 to 9.75nm should be enough to have a big sport round wheel or big deep dish wheel and still provide enough force to have fun driving around and practicing to drift in games. Next thing would be find how to get turn signal levers and maybe a button box for the buttons lacking from the wheels. Thanks for the video!!!

@WIZZ3X Ай бұрын

very useful tysm ❤

@smallbutdeadly931 Ай бұрын

For your in-game settings, how high did you set your gain? I usually run 25% with my R21 having the FFB strength at 100% in Moza Pithouse and that feels realistic to me

@Dsilveiro Ай бұрын

This video is really good to understand what to upgrade to But personally if you get a good deal I recommend the Logitech G920 if you not sure if you going to like it like me, I got mine for £150 and improve my drifting a lot, I don't have a drift car, but I went to do a drifting experience before I had the wheel and keep spinning, after a 6months of having the wheel went again and almost did the full circuit

@WazzupTN Ай бұрын

Good video!❤

@5ilverback_706 Ай бұрын

What ffb gain in content manager or do you change that ingame?

@lohostege 16 күн бұрын

Im not much of a drifter, but i do rally, which involves similar movement to drifting with letting the wheel go. Im probably going to get the Fanatec CSL DD, probably starting with the 5nm, eventually upgrading to 8nm

@This_is_Elzed Ай бұрын

Conclusion : 8nm is the sweet spot for realistic drift :) Thank you for your video, it is really helpful.

@bigbeard134 28 күн бұрын

Thank you 🙏 u help make my decision

@McSmurfy 17 күн бұрын

I got the thrustmaster T128 for ps5 and I play casually games like Grid Legends, Crew 2/ Motorfest, but I just want this setup and will just watch others with their setup play. I do like the drifting The Crew games and the racing for Grid Legends, but GT Sport is also fun sometimes.

@wraith3953 Ай бұрын

yeah i use the tmx to drift. i play 720 degrees of rotation and i still have to throw my wheel into the turns, im looking to get a moza r5 soon thogh

@mmaoxii4065 Ай бұрын

can i get the links to all the tracks that were in this video? thanks

@aphae Ай бұрын

I have an alpha mini and use different force feedback depending on the car pack. Some are heavier, some aren’t. Also the oscillations are a pain. Hate having to lower the FFB just to somewhat remove it

@panewa3810 Ай бұрын

I was considering buying Fanatec CSL DD 8NM, and after this video I think that's the wheel base I want

@drstefankrank Ай бұрын

I have this one, but if I would buy again today, I might have a deeper look at Moza. Their truck wheel make my eyes water.

@dylanmonahan5909 Ай бұрын

I have the CSL DD 8nm and it's not enough aligning torque for all situations in all games in all cars. Games that focus on front wheel understeer as feedback clip early with 8nm in mid or rear engine cars. It's a good base, but not quite enough. You can use power steering as a justification if you want, but there's just not enough headroom for all games to make the necessary contrast between traction loss and peak grip, so you end up having to sacrifice some of that detail to avoid clipping, it's not terrible by any stretch, but I'd aim for the R12 to be on the safe side. The reason why more torque is good isn't for a workout, it's because it means more holding torque can be sustained even when bumps and other peak torque details happen at the same time... more headroom gives you that.

@Keisuke42 Ай бұрын

Invaluable information.

@Simracingcontent Ай бұрын

16:56 There is a Fanatec GT DD with 5 NM, and if you use a boost kit you will have 8 NM. You can't get a 12 NM Fanatec GT DD.

@dcars806 Ай бұрын

Don't forget about Aztek Forte, La Prima, and the 27nm bases they sell! Also if you have a MicroCenter near you, you may be able to find a PXN direct drive wheel no one talks about

@turbokid97 21 күн бұрын

What brand Steering wheel is Kame Trick using ?

@BUC2045 Ай бұрын

with the logi, and thrustmaster wheels we have to throw the wheel when flicking into corners

@MSR_Gilles Ай бұрын

Could you show us your settings from the VRS software?

@AidenZuchowski 16 күн бұрын

What steering wheel do you use? it looks cool

@Drunken_Hamster 27 күн бұрын

Do they make wheels with at least 1080, if not 1440 degrees of rotation? Not sure I'd like such a low rotation given that most IRL cars I've driven are between the two numbers I gave. Especially once you consider that all of THOSE had normal steering angles of around 35-40 degrees as opposed to drift steering.

@KameTrick 24 күн бұрын

Several of the belt drive wheels can do 1080, and mechanically the DD's have no rotation limits, however I think some of that is software limited. Ideally you could set anything between 1 and 9999 degrees...but in order to unlock that, each wheel maker has to program an upper limit into their control software. So it may take some extra investigation, asking the sales teams and Reddit/Discord communities for the wheels about the current max rotation you can set in the software to narrow down which ones will give you the rotation you're looking for.

@aaron_a543 Ай бұрын

Hey! what monitors do you use?

@sebastianpl4073 Ай бұрын

if you are really budget limited then buy a thrustmaster t150/tmx and make a steel bearing mode. Your wheel then will have around 3.5nm

@Li0nSam Ай бұрын

At this moment i'm little bit struggling with FFB wheels too (in hope that will setup sim and wheel correctly at last), because IRL drifting (rally too) much easier, IRL these oscillations never happen, IRL there is so much ass-sensing of car inertia which greatly helping to control it.

@arik2680 Ай бұрын

Another awesome video with great informative content! What is the mountain track you're driving on? Downloadable to general public??

@KameTrick Ай бұрын

Thanks! And yes on the track, that's Irohazaka by EK, which is a port of the Initial: D Arcade Stage track (I think version 8). There's also a version by Project Kaido that's really good.

@arik2680 Ай бұрын

@KameTrick Thanks mate, I had a feeling it was the Iroha slopes! I have the EK Irohazaka map downloaded but mine doesn't have the sponsor boards and doesn't look as vibrant as yours which is why I thought it may have been something else!

@giogamer4825 Ай бұрын

Having the Fanatec DD+ (50% in games) on my reinforced Playseat Challenge...it rocks without flex, only my skills have a lot of flex 😅

@OneLegHD Ай бұрын

I dont see myself ever replacing my r9, just as you said 😜

@Sideways_Singh Ай бұрын

Using a bigger diameter lightweight wheel like 350mm would help because it gives u leverage to make inputs easily while running higher ffb, so that way u can get the quickness of higher ffb like 12nm and still be able to easily make corrections like a real car. Also people prefer bigger diameter for drifting anyways, it helps u be more accurate and make more precise movements, less chance of a spinout. What diameter wheel are u running?

@gzaos Ай бұрын

I got a TS-XW on use market 3 years ago for 250, I wish to upgrade. But I will have to buy a proper rig to mount a DD and at that point i will closer to the 2k than the 1k for an upgrade. Oh, not to mention the space requirement. At least I know I will be aiming at 10-15 nm wheel base.

@SerialDriver Ай бұрын

Interesting but you're missing one important point : slew rate. And stronger bases have also higher slew rate. For example, a sc2 sport might have enough Nm, but has a slower slew rate than the sc2 pro. So even if you're not using all the nm of the sc2 pro, you will have a better experience

@GraveUypo 7 күн бұрын

what DD wheel is $450 that you mentioned? i've had a thurstmaster tx (like the xbox version of the t300) for 10 years now and i'm satisfied with it, but for $450 i might consider upgrading

@Lolingtoner 5 күн бұрын

Think the fanatec csl dd is around that price or cheaper, moza r5 is sligthy over 500, the cammus is also there

@michaeltian Ай бұрын

Just a question. If I have learned how to drift on a low Nm wheel will I be able to apply my understanding of drifting well on a higher Nm wheel or in a real car? I will say after watching this video, I'm attributing my uneven skill between car packs more to my setup than to my skill (as with many car packs such as DWG, BDC, and Tsujigiri Lights I'm able to drift through feeling out the pedals with FFB turned up well into clipping so that the wheel self centers a little better; I would say 85% of the drift work is done through my pedals at this point). I have a couple examples on my YT page of me interacting with my G920 (although a lot of POV footage are old and not representative of my current skill, I just posted a crappy little POV in shorts from a couple weeks ago).

@elsnowman123 Ай бұрын

it'll take a little while to break the habit of throwing the wheel into the drift, but not too long. your drifting will improve a lot with a 5+nm base

@michaeltian Ай бұрын

@@elsnowman123 yeah I do find myself having to throw the wheel a lot

@KameTrick Ай бұрын

Great question, and thanks for watching my video! :) I *do* think building skill with a low Nm wheel is still a net positive that will get you further along when you eventually switch up to a stronger sim wheel or a real car. It's a step I'd completely skip if someone had the money to do so, but if you're choosing between sim practice with a G920 and not practicing at all, the G920 is the better option. You may have a couple "less than optimal" tendencies to outgrow through practice over time after you upgrade, but I wouldn't be scared you'll put yourself into some kind of horrible driving habits as a result of your time with the G920. I think people develop a lot of extra techniques and inputs that aren't necessary when they either don't trust the car (which can happen due to low information/weak FFB) or try to drive at too high of a level without building foundational skills first. A lot of times, these are the same techniques that work great at high levels, but they may get overused when something even simpler, like better throttle control and timing, would have done the same thing. You can always find something new when you go back to the basics, even I do :) So long story short, your skills will generally transfer "up" to better products (gear to belt to DD wheels, or sim drifting to real drifting)...personally I find that the opposite is where you run into snags. For example, if you get used to an 8Nm DD wheel, going back to a G920 will feel horrible and you may find that even though you know you can technically "do it" you may never want to spend the time to re-acclimate to that setup once you've had a taste of something better. This is also why it's hard for IRL drifters to get a good sim experience, we lose *so much* "FFB" information when we go from a real car moving across the surface of the earth to a sim cockpit that's sitting still in our room, that even if you get a really solid wheelbase, it's still very foreign and your IRL skills don't transfer very well--not to mention what happens if they try a budget wheel. Cheers!

@lorenzocece3727 Ай бұрын

what do you think about the thrustmaster t128 with the stock wheel? (i know there is no clutch)

@tonttiboy Ай бұрын

Wont spin fast enough with the 2nm i would prefer atleast 4nm

@94fiveohvert Ай бұрын

Excited for this video, I'll have to check it out after work! First few minutes are really engaging. 5:05

@TrueKivan 24 күн бұрын

The hardest part in starting drifting as someone who never tried it in real life is figuring out how to setup your hardware to feel proper, after all how would I know? Been bouncing on and off drifting for a while now for that reason. I will try again with your tips here, but damn wish I could just teleport someone like you directly into my cockpit so you could set it up for me so I can stick to learning on a properly done setup. There is a lot of trial and error involved, I might be on Simucube 2 Pro but I'm clueless if I'm doing the right thing.

@professordraxon3982 Ай бұрын

What wheel is that? the color shift is amazing, must have one

@Bruthex Ай бұрын

I am using Moza R5 with 100% in Pit House but in the AC the Gain is on 60%. I don't like to fight with my wheel while drifting. What's the point to upgrade the base to, like R12? Everyone is set the Gain to 100% just I am the only weak sim(practice)drifter? :D

@BikeLife1 Ай бұрын

Moza R9 or Simagic price range equivalent are the absolute best beginner options for anyone serious about enjoying this as a hobby

@Dracconus 8 күн бұрын

Wow, it's crazy that I've never drifted, nor been into it. I only ever built and raced dragsters with my dad, but I guessed before even watching this video that 7.5nM of force was going to feel probably "as close to realistic as you could expect without overpowering."

@simracehouse Ай бұрын

FFB quality is the most important. For example I use Moza R21 and keep it at 40% but the FFB quality of R16 and R21 is higher than for example R5 or R12, even more smoother, so it’s even more enjoyable than R5 and R12 I’ve been using before

@szilardmorar234 Ай бұрын

i drift irl, and sim. i have a fana csl dd and i use it on 4Nm. In my opinion 4 is the best

@Lead_Foot Ай бұрын

I got started drifting with a G27 and worked my way to getting good enough to do 360 drift entries. If you can drift on a weak gear driven wheel you can drift on anything.

@zepos Ай бұрын

How long have u been drifting and what's ur progress? I started about 4 days ago and still can't maintain long donuts. I can however drift corners but can't transition into another corner.

@nyox999 Ай бұрын

@@zeposthats normal (It was similar to me and my frienda atleast) Maybe try practicing bigger circles?

@DantesGrill Ай бұрын

@@zepos It's kind of hard to give you tips because you don't really say much. What wheel? What game? Is a long donut a wide donut or just for a long time? I used to play Gran Turismo 5 with a G27 and I ranked top 1000 in some drift events back in the days. Could never do that now though, the FFB is too weak I kept spinning out last time I tried.

@DannyD_ 9 күн бұрын

Can you do a video on settings on assetto corsa ?

@Navoii. Ай бұрын

That purple wheel looks sick. What is it? It reminds me of Grip Royal, which is very controversial. I've seen good and bad reviews for it

@TalksWithNoise Ай бұрын

Recently found your channel. Really enjoy the tie you've made between irl and game drifting. Had a buddy who races agree the sensory deprivation in comparison to real life is the biggest drawback. If you ever get into game reviews, BeamNG players eat up real life drift content being paired with the game. Also, if anyone's reading. Careful with paddle shifter and button wheels. Anything sticking out can give your fingers a nice whack if your pulling your hands away from a wreck! :D