Also we must also understand the fact that Eden was very young when he was told to be a mentor, in his late 20's. Aside from just not wanting to do it because he didn't feel like it , it was more about if he could do it . like the last clip from the video he doubted himself even when he had known the boys for a long time. so imagine how he must have felt before he met them. Eden is a musical genius who had all his dreams broken so he went to the army .and when he came back he tried again this time the most unsure he has ever been about his abilities. So as much as we all love ateez , and no matter how young of a fan you may be always try to look for the best not only in your idols but also the people that work with them. when idols make mistakes their fan will go above and beyond to defend them saying they are humans and shouldn't be held to a different standard( which is absolutely true) but lets not be hypocritical by treating people without that platform like trash. EDEN WE LOVE YOU , AND WE WOULDN'T WANT ANY OTHER TEACHER FOR OUR BOYS!!! Thank you for coming to my Ted talk =)

I think EDEN has done a lot for ATEEZ. As long as they like him, I like him too.

I honestly can't understand all of these ppl hating on Eden. They making it look like he was relentlessly and constantly bullying Honngjong every day or sth, whereas he did harsh thing once and then basically said; ok I made a mistake, and take care of him/them ever since. The only opinion that really matters in this case is HJ and Ateez, and they showed many times already that they admire, like and are very fond of Eden and whatever difficulties they had with each other are long fixed so atiny should just stfu

The hell’s wrong with ‘Atinys’ seriuosly he’s one of the reasons who Hongjoon’s atm

The more stricter your mentor is, it means they care about you, even if they seem like they don’t care, they do, it means they want you to be successful It’s like with stray kids Bang chan, he’s said the more stricter he is , the more he cares for someone, so he’s strict with Felix because he wants him to do well, and in a concert chan was crying whilst apologising for being so strict I can see Eden as the strict type of mentor not because he’s cold hearted, he just wants his group to do well you know I can see why he would at first want Hongjoon to “fail” because imagine, you being a music prodigy and you’ve just joined a company so you can focus on Your own work and then be told , aight that dream can wait, you need to teach this kid, idk about you but I would be annoyed so I understand why he did what he did, however it’s nice that he changed his mindset and decided to teach him after seeing his hard work and dedication, honestly Eden reminds of Kakashi and Levi if they were merged into a person

imagine hongjoong seeing that his own fans are coming for Eden

woah, there are atinys actually hating on EDEN?? wth. Eden was literally the father of ateez, he made the iconic Ateez sound and his songs (of course with the help of the dorks) are freaking bop. Tbh, i cant imagine Ateez without EDEN. Sure, Ateez will be fine 'cause they can produce their own music but let's be honest, EDEN has distinct sound he made solely for Ateez (kinda like an experimental EDM and moombahton) and that makes the title tracks more unique than the bside tracks. He may be harsh to Joongie and others but that's because he wanted the best from them.

I think Eden did it because he saw himself in Hongjoong. Sweet and talented beyond his years. He didnt want Joong to get burned by the industry like he did in a sense. But after seeing joong’s humility dedication he changed his mind. Again these are just my opinions, but I dont think Eden is a bad guy. We all learn and grow through different situations and look where they are now! I love Eden’s relationship with all the boys ❤️

The Atinys that are disrespecting Eden must catch a wake up and if they were real fans that love ateez they would never disrespect Eden cause the members love him and look up to him and sure they must feel upset with these fake Atinys talking shit about Eden. You are fans know your place! I personally loved Eden and know for a fact there would be no Ateez without him...there would be no composer Hongjoong without eden. So educate yourself a before making fools of yourself a and making a fandom look shit by talking shit about a man who put his own career aside to help Ateez become what they are today👍💯

The stricter one is, the more successful one will be. 😁

Eden with ATEEZ is like Kakashi with Naruto (if u know the anime) Tough love but loves them nonetheless. I already knew about this story before this video. Hongjoong talked about it and how he grew from that. Eden is WAY better than other mentors I've seen in the industry. Have you seen the Eastlight scandal?! The higher-ups abused the kids and sexually harassed them! And I'm a hardcore atiny but I do know that the group would not be where they are completely without Eden's help. He's a big brother to them. If Hongjoong and the guys are still this close with Eden, then their relationship is alright. (Been an atiny since Nov. 5th, 2018 😉 )

When i watched code name is ateez i thought that EDEN was a very nice mentor. He did not even scold them. He gently pointed whats wrong in their tone to make it better.... And when i knew abt how hongjoong became a trainee i was so proud of him and what EDEN did was totally normal cuz at this young age becoming a mentor and having a student was quite a blow to him so i completely understand if he was not convinced by hongjoong at first. And tbh u can't expect walking a flowery path all the time without spines in life and it's these hardships that make u learn and grow more mature and stronger. Take an example Lisa in youth with you as a mentor, she was strict to the trainees but she had to do so(she said it herself and it's for the better), she had to point out every mistake and tell them frankly what's wrong cuz she went through hardships too during her time as a trainee. Sure there were cries, discouragement, loss of confidence by trainees but look how far all trainees have become in the end. So u can't expect everything to be easy at start😕 Now look how far ateez has become with EDEN's help but why so much unnecessary hate on EDEN when he did so much for them that Ateez admire and respect him that much Respect and Love to EDEN and other producers LEEZ and Ollounder😍❤️😘

I have honestly seen hate comments on Eden on twitter too, you're not alone. I found it ridiculous how they already formed an opinion without knowing anything, so I just ignored them. But it soon grew and I was confused. Apparantly Eden himself said that he mistakenly treated Joong because he himself thought he wasn't a good enough producer and a teacher, he wanted Joong to quit so Joong could find a better mentor... Although that wasn't the whole story of their relationship I really think we should just respect both people, because in my opinion we know nothing of their relationship and we should be respectful for their privacy and not pry too much, if we did this mistake again, I don't think Ateez would be too happy with us for hating on their role model and teacher..... Remember you have to have the courage to say "I don't know much to know and opinion" and mind your own business

They’re just bandwagon haters. As long as ATEEZ sees him in a good light, then we don’t have a say on how the management should handle him. He is an artist of his own rights and ATEEZ respect that as much as they express it on different media platforms. We 👏🏻 don’t 👏🏻 know 👏🏻 him 👏🏻 personally 👏🏻 to 👏🏻 come 👏🏻 up 👏🏻 with 👏🏻 those 👏🏻 issues 👏🏻

Honestly knowing me, I would've behaved similarly to Eden at first too but seeing how Eden treats them now with such a caring attitude makes me really happy

He may have done something that is viewed pretty harshly, but I think Hongjoong would view what EDEN did to him to shaping him to who he is now and appreciate it (he's always been a super humble). I think they all have a good relationship now. Not every relationship starts off on a good note, but I think it's very obvious there is respect for him and it goes both ways. Just how they interact now shows how much they all adore each other and support each other. I don't think people have a right to judge EDEN harshly since they don't know everything. The only people who know his true actions are the boys and I leave it to them to judge him - it's only their right to decide.

As someone who loves dissecting every aspect of a discography, I can't even begin to describe how much respect I have for Eden and the absolute musical genius he packs in his production. I'll agree he gets a lil sassy and obnoxious at times but so does my mom? Do I go and cancel her too? Lmao

we're going to look back at this years from now, after ateez has set records, sold millions of albums, won a daesang, performed at the biggest arenas, and just laugh. while yes, maybe the method eden took was little too harsh, thank god for hongjoong's stubbornness and eden's quick empathy. when it comes down to it, eden just didn't want hongjoong to go down the same path he did. again, not condoning his actions, but he quickly realised what he did and apologized. hongjoong mentioned in his vlive that it was painful, but he also thought that eden was testing him, so he worked harder. now, eden and ateez have such a great relationship, and the respect eden has for hongjoong as a producer shines in their albums. more so, eden is not giving ateez average songs. he is putting his all into every track, and ateez are executing every single one so well. hongjoong even spoke about other members contributing to their future albums and i tell you eden is going to be behind them all the way, shaping and molding them into true artists. eden is not a grinch, eden is a mentor and a big brother to ateez who wants nothing but their collective success. truly ateez are in the best possible hands at KQ ent.

Hongjoong and Eden's story is just like an anime scenario don't you think?😅..I find it amazing. But honestly people should stop hating Eden and should be more open minded and considerate. Let's not pretend that we are pure hearted and doesn't have the capacity to do what Eden did. Anyway, see, they're really close right now. Don't outweigh all of their good memories with just a tiny bitter past.

OMG I got so stressed when hwa couldn't get his part right 😭😭😭

Eden was definitely harsh to Hongjoong initially and I would totally get why people would think he shouldn't have done that (mostly because of his reason for it), but the poor guy was _broken._ he was seen as a prodigy and seemingly going places and suddenly was left with nothing for years and hoping for a break, then he basically gets a toddler thrown in his lap which, to him, probably seemed like another case of a company taking him where he didn't want to go. to me, it honestly sounds like a big brother that's upset by the new baby in the house. initially hateful of the snotty-nosed, bright-eyed baby but quickly learns to love him lol. Eden truly cares about these boys, you can tell. The boys love him too.

i respect eden. i like this little story of hongjoong and eden, actually. shows hongjoong's dedication and the harsh, but caring nature of eden. why hate on eden if ateez and eden share a good relatioinship? he's done so much for ateez. i've watched the clip with seonghwa and eden, and lemme tell you i feel such sadness for hwa when he has to do it over again, and then the little compliment at the end brightens him. thank you to eden, for all the hard work you've done that helped ateez.

People should stop acting like THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT BOYS like yall never saw their hardships in trainee days yall weren't there when they were trying so hard waiting for their debut to come *idk if yall know how harsh and stressful the debut system works in korea* EDEN SAW ALL OF THAT they have spend plenty of times together they are like a family... HongJoong spend 5 years with him he kept learning from him eden trusted him that's why they are both here SUCCESSFUL and they will achieve more success in the future EDEN is hella TALENTED in music I mean the whole ateez discography is a proof so please support him not just as ateez's producer but the artist himself cause he DESERVES Edit: I knew him before my atiny days trust me he's a beautiful person inside and outside

people tend to want to victimize the idols they stan; in some cases it's justified, but in other cases it's like this. people took a situation that at this point probably doesn't mean much to either eden or joong, blew it way out of proportion and ran with it to satisfy their want to defend and protect their idols. the biggest issue i have with this is that hongjoong isn't a child, if his relationship with eden hadn't stabilized already he genuinely wouldn't be so openly admiring of him. stans jumping to his defense against literally nothing and hating eden so passionately for no reason rubs me the wrong way... maybe it's just me but it almost as though hongjoong is infantilized through this, like he's not old and mature enough to deal with his own shit and can't recognize if someone is truly being awful to him, which, according to some atinys, eden apparently is sigh

Eden is really a father to them. Okay, maybe at first he's a bit mean but it was because he's doubt about himself, not about Hongjoong. But soon as HJ shows about what he capable off, he became strict, not only to HJ but the rest of member too. You know, just like our parents, they strict to us because they want us to be great. That's it. And oh, don't forget, Eden also fix some of the member's (is it HJ and San? I forgot) fashion back then. I read about it somewhere :))

Honestly I already knew Eden wasn’t mean or anything I’m surprised people thought that... I know this is supposed to be a video about EDEN but seeing Seongwha almost cry... yeah I couldn’t 😭

That 200 word test is something straight out of a manga, wow

I was a fan of Eden before ATEEZ. I saw he produced Rumor for PD48 and I LOVE THAT SONG. And then I saw a live stage of Pirate King and got hooked on the boys. Then I saw Eden was a head producer for ATEEZ. And then I was like, BITCH SIGN ME UP AS AN ATINY!!!!!

The thing is, ATEEZ isn't just one of the groups EDEN has worked with. He is their main producer, and works in a team called Edenary along with with LEEZ, Buddy and Ollounder. Those four, and sometimes other producers for specific tracks, have produced ALL of ATEEZ's music. I don't think there's any tracks that EDEN hasn't worked on, whether it be composing, producing, arranging, writing lyrics or all of the above. You can check the album credits for every one of their albums and it will be immediately apparent how involved he is in ATEEZ. EDEN isn't just one of their producers, he is a huge part of the creative vision behind their whole sound. ATEEZ could definitely produce their own music or work with someone else and still be successful but it would sound completely different without EDEN. That's just a fact. Since I love their music, I am incredibly grateful to him for his work. (His other creative projects such as Stardust and Stardust 2 are also incredible, and I really like a lot of his solo songs as well. He really is an amazing artist). There's been many times when he's put his own solo work on hold or postponed it to prioritize ATEEZ. He ALWAYS puts them first because he is hugely invested in their success. This is from an interview he did: “If I don't produce good music, the impact is greater for the eight members than it is for me,” Eden notes. In Korea, where idols are trained from a young age and forgo schooling to debut, failed careers can leave performers with limited prospects. “The possibility of ATEEZ ending up like that makes me sleepless at night. I felt that pressure like a heavy weight. So when we were working on the first album, I had very high expectations for them. During that process, a couple of the members shed some tears. I scolded them a bit.” He is tough on them because he cares about them, and wants them to be successful. Honestly, I love EDEN. And seeing how much the members love him and appreciate him and hype him up for his solo projects and recommend his songs to atiny is really heartwarming. He's a good person who in no way deserves hate. Hongjoong literally sleeps at the Edenary studio half the time and has his own room to work in there. He seems to have a really positive relationship with him and it boggles the mind that some ATINY are trying to make EDEN out to be some kind of villain.

Eden is genius and we should thank him that he was Ateez's mentor and now produced such amazing songs for them

I love that he is so calm. He never raises his voice but he also lets them know they can do better and he compliments them when they do well. Yes ATEEZ are super talented but Eden is doing a good job (with others) at refining their skills.

Don't hate on someone for not being perfect when you're not perfect yourself Yes Eden was harsh on Hongjoong, but that's past now Atiny it's a general problem that our fandom has and I'm sick of seeing the fandom bringing up the past every ten seconds Stop clinging onto the past and move with time

I liked EDEN I thought every other ATINY do too but sadly there are some who hated him without context

I know this is off-topic but... why the hell do i like every song that comes out of kq? Like wut? I LIKE ALL THEIR SONGS! I DIDN'T DISLIKE ANY OF THEM! IS THAT CALLED DESTINY? OR THEY ARE JUST SO TALENTED?

Great producers always knows what's best for their artist, they train them hard to be a great artist and not only see them as money generated machine. Eden knows what these guys are capable of especially hongjoong and look at their artistry aspects in everyway, they are incredible. People hating on Eden, YG etc for their harsh system but look at their artists under them they always SHINE cause that's what they want them to be

I understand why he did what he did if I was in his shoes I could have the same thing he is one of a kind❤❤❤

eden has composed some of my favourite songs ever. such as btob’s songs and ateez’s songs mainly :) i feel like he’s quite important and has made so many bops

Having a strict mentor in any field is a good thing even if it's hard, because this is how people improve and get stronger. I'm ATEEZ age and I'm talking by my own experience. If someone wasn't good , he should keep correcting him until he gets it right. It's totally normal

Eden literally made Ateez. They're so lucky to have such a talented and gifted artist by their side. Seriously, I don't understand the hate.

what i really mad about is that the people that spread hates on him keep using that one particular part in the interview article where he mentioned how he treated hongjoong at first when in the same article he also mentioned how it changed after and how hongjoong and ateez are to him. i keep seeing this people feed clueless atiny with only that part of the article and making them misunderstood him. like i get it, you dont like him, but cant you just keep that to yourself. :// thank you for this video, i hope it could clear something for clueless people about him.

tbh, Eden’s songs is a whole bob. His voice is so angelic periodt.

It's called tough love. Being coddled isn't always the best thing.

They "interviewed" him, how interesting since hes their hyung. But EDEN definitely is the father of their music, his name is on 90% so... I do wonder if ATEEZ will be able (if they wanted) to write more, since we're done with the Treasure theme, or will it be EDEN?!

Thanks for sharing!!! Despite of what happened in the past, Eden has helped Ateez become who they are today. Their relationship now is what matters so let's move forward and continue to support Ateez and Eden! 🥰

I think I can understand why Eden be like that. He just want Ateez to be better than him because he's the only one who can see how far these boys can be with their talent and hardwork. Eden trust them and so do I :) ♡

No wonder I liked ateez’s music in first time. Eden was mentoring them. Honestly, I really like eden’s style of music. I fell in love with his music’s style and tone and I’m falling in love with ateez’s too.

Thank you for making this video! I never knew atinys even hated on eden until I joined twitter. While what he when he first met hongjoong was harsh, it's important to understand the context to every situation before making assumptions. People are so quick to base a person's entire personality based on one negative thing they did in the PAST. If you try to understand the context of the situation and what he has done for the boys afterwards, it's suddenly labelled as kissing up. People don't have to like him, but there is absolutely no justification for spreading hate and slandering his name when 1) he is quite literally one of the reasons ateez are so successful whether or not people want to acknowledge it and 2) the boys themselves are very vocal about being thankful towards him

The fact that Eden calls Seonghwa Mini Eden is adorable. I can't definitely see Eden in Hwa Hwa when he sings and his mannerisms.

I would actually like a mentor like eden. He was very kind to the members during recording and gave really good constructive criticism without a harsh tone or yelling and gave nice compliments

I think those hating on Eden are new atinys or sensitive atinys.. Plus, Eden knew he wasn’t experienced but KQ got him to mentor Hongjoong anyway. Also, don’t forget that Eden praises ATEEZ. Don’t take him as a cold-hearted person. Sometimes, mentors have to be strict to make trainees improve more. And did you see how he comforted Seonghwa when he couldn’t sing properly? He even called him Mini Eden🥺

EDEN and WOODZ have great collaboration, thats where I found EDEN. ATEEZ is getting alot of toxic fans, that are becoming a problem. I have been with EDEN, longer then ATEEZ. I found ATEEZ, through EDEN. I am a fan of BLOCKB, so when I heard ATEEZ, they gave me that BLOCKB feel. That's because they were under BLOCKB, label KQ. Now its SE7EN SEASONS label. Without EDEN, there would not be ATEEZ, he has poured his broken heart, into a young man and group, for his mentoring. He could not see himself flourish and grow, into what he longed for and worked hard for, himself. Seeing how he and ATEEZ have grown to love each other, I really wish the new fans would stop, do research and then decide. I love them both, EDEN and ATEEZ, they are fonominal!

I love Edens music, in fact I found him before ateez debuted. It's so heartbreaking that such a versatile & talented guy had to suffer like this, & now to get hate from a fandom that thrives on liking his work for a moment of human misery? Even sadder.

I watched that segment they showed with the guys taping their first song. I thought he was hard on Seong Hwa when they were taping (or whatever it is) the first song though. Look at how far ATEEZ has gotten with him in the director's seat. I don't know how they would have done without him.

I remember when I saw him on code name ateez... I truly liked him for the short period he appeared.. I can understand where his thoughts were coming from when he was suddenly asked to mentor someone when he himself wasn't sure about his music career...

Lets not lie guys if eden didn’t exist I don’t think that ateez pirate king would be created. Eden is the one who wrote the song and even ateez love the song so much. Eden taught so much for ateez to keep looking forward and don’t look back. They’re successful now and we need to at least be thankful for Eden because he created pirate king and the song became a hot debut in 2018

Can't really expect someone as pure as Hongjoong to survive in the cruel world KPOP even if he managed to. Eden learned the hard way and didn't want Hongjoong to experienced that so he went harsh. It's very needed. People bash Eden for making Hongjoong learned 200 words in a day when Hongjoong seems proud and just keep wanting to learn English. People need tl stop believing what they want to believe and start noticing how they both CARE for each other. Wow this is getting long

*EDEN, I REALLY LOVE YOUR DEDICATION N LOVE TOWARDS ATEEZ MEMBERS* *I'M YOU'RE FAN TOO! YOU'RE SONGS ARE AMAZING~!*

I'm honestly so thankful to Eden. What made me notice Ateez in the first place was the fact that their discography was astoundingly well produced and arranged. I remember thinking searching the internet for who their producer was just cause I was so impressed. Of course the boys are incredibly talented, but we can't forget they're not the only ones we should be praising. He's a strict mentor but he brings out the best in them and it seems they have a good relationship ^^ I really hope they continue working together forever because I'm obsessed with the sound he's developed for Ateez.

You are the best. I think it’s good to have some facts. Eden is so instrumental in Ateez that anyone that hates him or drags him is also dragging his protégés. 🙄 why are people so brainless.

honestly, being a mentor can be such a hard thinv especially if you don't know anything about it. being a mentor, you have to be harsh and give criticism because it's necessary. but we can still see that he's still close with the members and he wants the best for ateez

I had no idea eden was a solo artist and when I saw his name in the album credits I actually thought it was a completely different eden but after hearing his solo music you can really hear his influence in ateez's music. He's clearly a huge part of their success!

I really respect Eden. He challenges the members of ATEEZ while remaining encouraging, and he makes sure to help them improve. He might have had some rough times, but everybody does. He’s a cool dude 🙏

Thanks for putting this together and providing an explanation on Eden’s and Ateez background. I’m so happy he’s the lead producer of Ateez music. Eden has an incredible voice himself ❤❤❤

I appreciate, love, and respect Eden even more. The relationship he has created with the boys is beautiful. He is giving everything to these boys and that's what a mentor and father figure does. They mold and shape but, love deeply. The admiration the boys have for him makes my heart melt. They strive to make him proud and Eden is. Our boys are in the best hands and I wish those that don't have positive would just see the outcome and respect Eden even if they don't like him.

Moral of the story: Don’t talk about something you don’t know anything about. Imo, you don’t know them personally. You don’t know EDEN personally. and you don’t know what you would’ve done in that situation. People can say they would do this or that but they wouldn’t know. Because they never had to be put in his situation. So just keep an open mind about stuff like that. Anyway have a good day or night☺️

I completely understood Eden's thought. If I were him, I would be probably doing the same thing too to HJ or a new trainee. Because being a mentor or a teacher is a very big responsibility. And I think Eden were thinking that he weren't ready to hold that position or thinking that he is too inexperienced and there's a lot more experienced artists to be a teacher to HJ. Dont hate Eden. He was probably thinking what's best for him and HJ at that time that's why he was being harsh with HJ in the first place. But everything came out as a very positive results and I thanked Eden for helping Ateez as much as he can.

I remember thinking when watching this that Eden was trying to help them improve while encouraging them. He impressed me as sweet and humble.

Okay so I'm a vet tech in training and lemme tell you my boss can be so harsh sometimes but I know that she's not being harsh because she hates me but to discipline me and it works because I've never made the same mistake twice.

EDEN is the father of Ateez and the way he treats them is better than some companies so plz let that sink in and stop spreading hate cause he’s the best and Ateez love him so we should love him too🥺🥺🥺❤️❤️❤️❤️

(Seonghwa starts tearing up) Me: (Three tears stream down my face)

What matters is that ateez have really good relations with him now and they really look up to him so like if they don't have a problem anymore then why do you?

Damn, that's stupid, I love Eden. He has contributed so much to Ateez's growth and music.

TIL (today I learned) there are Atiny who don't like EDEN? Like bruh what? In most of ATEEZ's videos where he appears or when they talk about him it has always been in such a positive way. He is literally the group's main producer and mentor, and has done nothing but make amazing songs for them. Fans who hate EDEN should just stop listening to ATEEZ altogether, or better yet, leave the fandom. Because how do they think the members would react if they knew that some immature fans were talking shit about their role-model?

I don't mind what he's done when he was younger. I just love him as a person and for all the masterpieces he's created

Honestly, I really think that a lot of Atiny are getting into a foam about something that should be left in the past. If you look at Codename is Ateez, you can see the affection oozing out of Eden for our boys as he introduced and worked on “Pirate King” with them. Initially, I always saw Eden the solo artist as somewhat chic and aloof, with a mild case of resting bitch face (I was wrong for it, I know... lol) but I never see that person when he is interacting with his label mates and especially not Ateez. Yes, maybe Hongjoong and Eden got off on the wrong foot. But fortunately Eden saw something in Hongjoong that impressed him and made him throw away whatever attitude he was holding onto so they could begin working together. I think their relationship is something rare and special in an industry where there is so much competition and scarcity for the top spotlight. We have to give Eden credit and respect for deferring some of his own solo endeavors and still pouring his all into composing and producing for Ateez. I hope they can create and achieve so many more great things in the future! Eight (plus one) makes one team!!!

I love eden without eden pirate king would not even exist

No one asked but I lowkey find Eden good looking :D It was a past mistake, people need to get over it. These kind of people nitpick at every single mistake like stfu as if you don't make mistakes. These kind of people are the same ones that nitpick at mistakes idols did 176718318 years ago and 'cancel' them

*he don't deserve any hates, eden deserve more.*

I love Eden so much, and just by listening to his songs, we can see how profesionnal he is 😍

Aside from the TALENTED KING HE IS BRUH WHY HE'S SO BEAUTIFUL like pls I give you my heart just take it sir

I...don’t really understand why my fellow Atiny would be mad though. The “incident” (or altercation or whatever you want to call it) happened years ago when they had just met and Eden had been going through some stuff - emotionally and life wise - and yeah he may have been harsh but they’ve resolved that with each other and forgave each other (Hongioong for the harsh treatment and Eden for wanting to succeed (I think it could have been a internal thing that he forgave Hongjoong for - but obviously I don’t know him and I wasn’t there for this so)) and they work as an excellent team. This is the problem with “cancel culture”. Eden doesn’t deserve any hate or even any anger because when you think about it from his side, it explains things. Doesn’t make it right, but that was him in the past and the person involved is really close with him. On a brighter note, I also believe Eden could have been a driving force behind Hongjoong’s determination and passion. HJ could have chosen to go back into his shell, but instead he proved to Eden that he could do it, that he was passionate, and that he would take on the challenges presented to him. Maybe HJ showed Eden that HJ wasn’t doing it for the heck of it. He was doing it bc he loved it. That’s all imma say. Thanks for coming to my TED talk

EDEN is my favorite composer his music is reaaally satisfying, i enjoyed listening to his music and i’m still doing

Their relationship is their relationship (ATEEZ X EDEN), it is between them and they don't seem to hold any bad blood between each other. I really love Ateez and Eden though as artists!

People just don't know how much pressure eden have. Eden watching ateez grow, and knowing their debut song and debut album will be their first step can makes eden feel more pressure cause by their personal relationships. "What if they are fail?" "What if it doesn't good enough?" He can't help but think like that, and it is normal. Poorly, some of 'atiny' didn't see that and it is hurt

I saw people hating on him but didn't know why. I can't believe it is just because he was harsh with the boys in the past. He is their teacher, he kind of has the right to be strict with them. Besides, they all speak well of Eden now and clearly look up to him. ATEEZ would still be ATEEZ without him, but woundn't be the ateez we know today

This really upsets me and is clearly new clueless atinys that attacked Eden without getting their facts straight first. The truth is and no one can deny this without Eden there would be no Ateez!!! Eden was young had his dreams shattered and struggling to get somewhere in the music industry then suddenly he had to take on a kid to teach and put his music ambitions aside and work on ateez music while teaching hongjoong. So those atinys needs shut up and learn some manners. Eden deserves nothing but love and ateez themselves love eden and have an amazing relationship with him.

This is some King Fu panda shit 😂😂💀. Basically How Master Shifu was so hard on Po thinking he would quit, but then saw the crazy potential now look at them. Also if you watch the clips of the boys recording in the studio he gives them so much support to build them and their confidence.

I was kinda shook about the story but. Right now i think all i can say that all members like and respect EDEN and if all 8 members are chill with eden i'm fine with that.

Now that Ik who eden his I can definitely hear this influence from his sound in ATEEZ music like the second song of his you put in the video definitely sounds like FEVER from ATEEZ new album

You see, every teacher/mentor is like that. Sometimes they test our passion and our love for what we aim, sometimes they will harshly scold us. As a mediocre student myself, there are many times my homeroom teacher scolded me harshly and I cried, there are times I was told I'll never succeed academically and I should just give up. But now I realise that the reason I came this far successfully was because of my teacher. I didn't wanna give up and my teacher saw it and pushed me even harder. Eden's just firming Hongjoong from the root, if he can't even handle harsh criticism from his mentor, just imagine the horrorifying ones from the netizens. So Eden did what every teacher does to a student in order to have a strong foundation.

ive been following eden waaay before ateez debuted and i was so happy when he got ateez as his project. He is working super hard and its unfair to hate him because of the way he teaches ateez. They same to have a good relationship so no need to „cancel“ hin or whatever also... can we talk abt his visuals? he looks like straight out of an anime

I can see why people would get mad but bruh really, Eden... It's like a father scolding his son, some will perceive it as evil but you know there's a purpose behind

Fans are so sensitive its as if these producers arent allowed to do their jobs and teach the idols to improve.

i understand that he probably wasn’t very happy about training someone but trying to destroy someone’s career because of it can’t be justified

if ur mentor is strict and give critics on u, u must be so proud and grateful because it means he/she cares u, wants u to be succesfull and be strong, tougher because he/she know how hard actually life is, especially creative industry, so harsh. thanks, Eden ps : not to.mention that every mentors have their own ways, softer way or harder way, but if they truly support you, they will gladly honestly telling ur wrong and right, with their own way

I am, so tired of people disrespecting Eden. i feel that they never had a teacher believing in them and pressuring them to be better

I’ve never even heard of him or his affiliation with ATEEZ, but I’m glad I saw this instead of other’s unnecessary hate. Thanks for shining some light on this :)

im a baby atiny. I never knew Ateez's existance until Wonderland performance on Kingdom aired in May 2021. I adore all of them and favour Hongjoong a bit more. So I bought Fever part 1 and saw EDEN's name everywhere. I remembered seeing this name on Maddox's Knight and Heize's song which featured RM. Hongjoong spoke highly about him. Then I read Eden's interview and I thought he was a bit arrogant initially. But, he was not confident with mentoring anyone thats understandable, and Hongjoong's perserverance etched into him. He mentored Hongjoong well and Hongjoong really loves him anyway. I think his songs are good. From what I have been listening from Ateez, EDENARY is pretty amazing. Life is not easy anyway. So, for Hongjoong to go through him initially was what he needed to get where he is now. everyone has a catalyst in life and Eden was Hongjoong's and Ateez's. I think people shouldnt hate on Eden and appreciate his music. Ateez's dad.

Ateez themself never forgot to thank Eden every time they receive an award or trophy...... ♥️🏆❤️

Lol I like how he starts throwing compliments in to help seonghwa😫😭🧡