I actually really enjoyed the weapon cooldown in 1.9, but I also never did any competitive pvp

I was one of the few players that liked the combat update better because it punished me less for having bad ping (and fps) at the time.

ngl the combat snapshots felt more like a combat game than most of the other versions imo. The versatility it added would have been amazing and it balanced out the problem of the axe being meta for nearly all of early- late mid game while the sword was only good during diamond/netherite combat (except end crystals existing which is a whole different problem).

Like many players i actually really liked the update, it makes it feel more like a game and less like "click faster than your enemy". Now you kinda have to get good angles and approaches, which was like that before but greatly overshadowed by having an autoclicker for a hand.

I believe a lot of the reason why the update was halted was cuz of the un-named virus which caused lockdowns around the world making it harder for the devs to work on the base game forcing jeb to work more on the base game than the combat update 2.0 and he still has a ton of work ahead of him, plus i think he said he was going to start work on it again like a few months ago.

Along with these updates, I would add 4 new combat items: - Scythe: Has medium range and a great sweep attack. Can hit shields through the borders hitting the player instead. - Long Sword: Has long range and a powerful sweep attack. Higher cooldown. - Small shield: Has a lot less area of protection but doesn't slow the player down. - Short bow: Doesn't slow the player but deals less damage and has worse accuracy. Can add some changes like making normal bow the "Short bow" but add a long bow for sniping. Also, the normal shield can have it's protection area buffed.

Here's my theory: In 1.9 the end and combat were updated. At the current moment the end needs some serious work expecting it to be updated in 1.21 or 1.22. So they might continue the trend and and the combat along side the end. A lot of work has already been done in the combat test snapshots so it wouldn't be too much of a hassle. Just a thought

I really liked the combat update. There was nothing fun about spam clicking, especially when it was so easy to just get an auto clicker.

even if the 1.9 update was disliked, i fee it created a more balanced playing field for players no matter what equipment they have. It was no longer about who has the better mouse or the one that can double click, and rather became more skill based. Although having a better pc, keyboard, or mouse does help, it’s less beneficial, meaning it’s slightly more balanced as not everyone has money to spend on good mice, keyboards, and pcs.

As a top level 1.9 competitive pvper (and someone who played extensively on both major versions of combat since 2014) I can confidently say that the "majority" of the community that you keep referring to that Jeb "wasn't listening to" is not actually a majority. There's a reason that SMP and Manhunt type videos vastly overtook Bedwars content in the last couple years: 1.8 pvp is boring and repetitive. There is very little variety because no matter which way you slice it, at the end of the day it's nearly all about CPS. And there is very little skill in clicking fast: buy a Glorious mouse and learn how to double butterfly at 22 cps and that's basically it. The 1.9 combat update and the many that have succeeded it brought incredible new gamemodes to Minecraft pvp that are all a universe different from each other. The old modes similar to 1.8 modes like potpvp, ffa, and uhc retained many of their original elements (which can be seen in the migration of many top 1.8 pvpers moving to 1.9 in those modes. For example, caseload on potpvp, vexaay and minemanner on ffa, etc) but now have more skill because of added mechanics. FFA isn't just about clicking fast, jump resetting, and hit selecting, there is now more strategy than traditional boxing. Pot is more interesting and fast paced (especially with loka damage which increases melee attacks by 33%). UHC has an even higher skill cap partially due to the shield. And the modes that 1.9 created like Netherite Pot (which is pot with reduced kb, gaps and totems), Crystal, and axe require a vast knowledge of many different mechanics for mastery, not just clicking fast. In conclusion, the majority of the Minecraft PvP community isn't represented by a few idiots on Reddit with big mouths who can type 150 wpm. The next time you think about making a video like this, I encourage you to do your research by stepping out of your bubble of diehard 1.8 mains, because to me there is a sufficient lack of proof that Jeb needs to think about changing the combat system again "because that's what the majority wants". And like you I many years ago thought I would never play 1.9+ because I loved 1.8 pvp and I spent a lot of time learning it. But I was wrong. 1.8 is boring. That's why it's dying. The stats don't lie.

I really want a new Combat update like the tests snapshots

1.9 pvp is very unique and good imo, I dont want it to change

5:07 Ah yes, my favorite update, the *Cliffs and Caves* update.

it honestly confuses me why people hate the combat update so much, i find it to be much more skill based than just "who can click the fastest" with the exception of shields, those things suck

The silliest part of this is that you can literally remove the attack cooldown using attribute nbt tags on items, so all those pvp servers that are stuck in 1.8 and aren't able to use any of the newer features would still be able to keep their spam-click pvp style even if they updated to newer versions.

Minecraft players when they actually need to think in a combat: By the way, good video, it really is very informative and detailed, I hope you continue with what you are doing

I wish they added the new combat update because i'm a 1.8 player at heart but I do enjoy the 1.9 system equally. Seeing the new combat update 3 was so cool to me.

If splitting a Minecraft update into two parts was to prevent being overwhelmed, explain modders adding tons more in just a few days

I like the new pvp version over 1.8 a lot more skilled based and it really isn't as hard to adapt to as most people conplained

to be honest, i hate the 1.9 combat update for competetive pvp but it makes the game so much more fun in survival because it makes the game a bit harder and makes u use strategies Update : I get that people disagree with my opinion but if u have a problem with it just get off youtube. Its not the end of the world if i have an opinion different to yours.

I think that Minecraft's combat system is very unique compared to most games and is still enjoyable

I mained this combat snapshot for a year and within a month or two because the best irish player and quite well known within the community, it's quite sad that this update to PvP isn't likely to happen any time soon but all you can really do is hope.

It's said that other devs will take over the project instead of Jeb working on it alone. Don't know when but stay hopeful I guess. Hopefully by that time it'll be an official snapshot

I hadn't played Minecraft before the combat update so I really like it. Plus I like to make adventure maps and it makes them more fun

This feels suspiciously similar to the experimental 1.20.2 villager changes

uh oh we added a slight amount of skill to minecraft instead of making it a cookie clicker game in pvp

Imagine having a knife weapon that can be spammed along with the sword and axe. you could spam the knife and quickly switch to swords every second when they charge up until you deliver the killing blow with the axe

i prefer the current combat system because it's more skill based, compared to just aim and click

Personally I enjoyed the change from the start. I hated spamclicking. I never understood why people liked it but its not for me to speak for them. They like it, I dont, its what it is. However, I personally find the change, cooldown and all, to be a lot more skillful and filled with gameplay variety rather than defaulting to one playstyle which is "Spam to win". That being said, Axe is meta so I guess there is an issue on both sides to be seen. Something I noticed, which you bring up partially, is that Mojang is seemingly afraid to bring more depth into their game and I genuinly dont get why. We get fluff after fluff after fluff and there is nothing of actual genuine use added to the game. We play in a Sandbox with a literal endgame scenario dimension, called quite literally: The End. A sandbox, which has no beginning nor end apart from you or your parents saying "Time for bed" has an ending. An official one. Was such a dumb idea they later cut the idea and expanded on it instead. Just that instead of actually making it interesting, they turned it into a steppingstone for a few new items. Minecraft at this point wants to be Terraria so bad without knowing what made terraria good. It keeps adding more and more stuff barely anyone cares about a few weeks into the update to the point where clones of it, games that were made based on a mod by the same devs of the mod, does minecrafts job better than minecraft. Vintage Story. Yea the combat is a lil slower but believe me, its fun. Try it. Its really good.

I would like to have more wepons, like daggers that could be just swords before comabt uptade with difrend texture but they would have small range, and wepons like glaives, scythes, tridends or spears would have longer range but they would do difrend things. Trident would work underwater with long range, quite fast attaks and ability to throw it would be very good, but for egzample spears would be faster but would not work under water. Glaives and scythes could do damage to many enemies at ones (like sweeping edge) and they would have massive range, but they couldnt been thown. Scythes would be slower but would deal bogger damage. And wepons like clubs or morning stars would be good to destroing or stunnig shields. Every player would use they favourite wepons. But no...

i was one of the people that didnt like this update i think that spam clicking is not rlly that fun even tho that they were stuff like w tapping and strafing its mainly just spam. in this update it just bring back spam.. i think timing hits is a best way to keep it. but i also think that the players that players that like spamming should get some new stuff as its just spam, maybe like a 1.8.10 or something lol.

since 1.9 pvp has become way more popular than 1.8 pvp, i dont see them changing the combat

My guess is that Mojang will sooner or later make another combat update. Hopefully inspired from the experimental one. Maybe they are working on it now? Maybe it will be 1.22-23-24 or 25?

1.9 pvp genuinely isnt that bad. adds more variety because axe pvp and sword pvp can be entirely different worlds and you actually have to be good instead of just clicking fast, theres still movement but also worrying about shield cooldowns and baiting the charges for shields and timing your swings so you can hit as soon as the cooldown is off

My theory: the combat snapshots are experimental and have to be installed externally to access (like the first deep dark snapshot) meaning it was never guaranteed to be added. It was a side project for jeb due to the backlash the new system got but in the passed few years 1.9 combat has become a lot more favourable and so there’s not really much reason to be developing this idea any further for now

Nah the new combat system is way better than the old one. Fights aren’t actually determined by who can click faster anymore.

Minecraft has so much potential but Mojang refuse to add them, imagine mining helmets (which aren't that modern) or cannons (which aren't guns) or sharks (add a zebra shark which are friendly and add a fantasy shark which is hostile) , it would be so cool!

Super high quality stuff!

I think they are more focusing on how combat affects the pve standpoint which I believe to be better with the new changes

I used to watch u years ago back when u had only about 1.5k subs to see u grow like this is crazy keep up the good work. UR VOICE ALSO CHANGED SOOOO MUCH LOL

Timing hits to land combos is a ton of fun, having more depth to the 1.8 system in the future would be sick as hell :D

Minecraft multiplayer popularity didn't shrink because of the new combat system, as every big pvp server reverted the changes. The new combat system had nothing to do with it

thank god the 1.9 update existed. pvp is no longer one sided to whoever has the best ping

The new combat is gaining more players

I feel like blaming the combat change for the decline in bed wars or other pvp servers isn't really taking into consideration that most people just tend to get bored of doing the same thing over and over. I played those kinds of minigames for a little while when they were new simply because it was a new experience, but over time I just got bored with the concept and went back to other gamemodes and modpacks that continued to provide a new and interesting way to play the game. Minecraft is so much more than just spam clicking on other players and many other minigames have declined in popularity as well even though they have nothing to do with the base combat mechanics.

Personally I like 1.9 combat system more. It just feels more realistic and doesnt make every Minecraft player require the best mouse in the world.

The issue with 1.8 was it was too cps based and 1.9 it’s too ping based (at least in sword) I personally don’t really like this combat snapshot but tbf I haven’t really given it that much of a try but if they end up going through and doing it ig it’s time to learn a 3rd version of pvp

the problem with adding a new combat system is that people got used to 1.9+ pvp and adding a new combat system would further split the comunity cuz there will be 3 versions that people play on and mojang doesnt need more angry players to deal with cuz they allready have more than enough

Adding a new combat system right after players finally started accepting the combat update… probably not a good idea.

Been subscribed for the longest time-- crazy to see how much you're growing.

me having to annihilate my arm to keep up with a regular pvp dude

I wonder if 1.21 will finally be the combat update 2.0

0:38 that is only true below 10 CPS (clicks per second). After that it is more based on movement/aim.

The new combat system rules. I love how it is more strategic.

Imo I perfer the modern pvp system because it requires more strategy than just clicking fast.

Bruh this update equalized the game for everyone

dude i love 1.9 pvp cuz now its more then just how fast you can click

“Most players hate the new combat system” Everyone in the comments: “I actually kind of like the combat system…”

There isn't a lot of games where you can use many different styles that are all well balanced, and minecraft was so close to achieving it. Now the only styles of pvp are crystral, anchor and minecarft tnt, wchich are very similar, and any other kit can't compete with them.

LMAO THE ENDING

It has been confirmed. THE MACE

ayo the subscribe button literally flashed me when you talked about it

Try these fixes: Either stop playing minecraft Just stay on 1.8

I agree with almost everything here, but not that the combat is what's driving people away from certain games like Bedwars and Skywars, that's 100% the community's fault for incentivizing sweaty strategies and making it nightmarish to approach the games as a newer or returning player.

1:35 Gonna preface this with the fact that I don't actually do PVP, but... Where in the world are you getting your data from? Polls on whether people like the combat update show that the community is pretty split between the two (and sometimes even in favor of 1.9). Split is present on reddit as well. The majority of the video feels like "I believe this, and my circle believes it, therefore I will say that it is what the majority believes"... (Also gonna add on the fact that my initial comment was almost instantly removed after posting it, which is pretty sus) 4:46 For a good reason :)

Funny thing: having enough haste can just re introduce 1.8.9 PvP, bcs for some reason it add’s attack speed lol.

I like the newer combat system. The cooldowns add a lot more strategy and skill to the game.

I agree minecraft needs a combat update im stuck between 1.8 and 1.9

When you are quintessential Minecraft KZfaq bro

"Had to throw away their entire skillset"... Of clicking fast. Uh-huh.

I prefer 1.9 because the only way to reduce kb is to jump reset or hit select, it also ads value to critical hits which brings another layer of strategy (when to crit, srpint hit, p-crit, hitselect; in 1.8 the only strategy is hitselect, aim well, time ur w-taps, maybe jump reset)

actually 1.20 update one thing on combat it is making shield resist all explosion damage

3:14 completely unrelated footage but thats the best combat system imo 6:23 "with no one left to complain" wrong. I will still complain, NOT ENOUGH MOVEMENT 7:23 MELEE weapons which are basically irrelevant in the current meta due to crystals and anchors. a wooden axe with sharp 1 is enough to both break shields and crystal with weakness and no strength

but a weapon dont deal any damage if the player or mob is blinking red. so if you spam as fast you can, the higher chance your hits dont deal any damage but your weapon still decrese in durability.

I Like the combat update my hand hurted bc of fast clicking

U used cypher as background music. Thats pretty good!

I liked the cooldown, it made the combat system more fun IMO.

Imo the reason the update hasn’t been continued is due to the rise in popularity for 1.9 pvp. The CTS was made because of the fact that most pvpers were STILL on 1.8 and generally disliked 1.9 mechanics. Since then, however, 1.9 combat has become more popular with the rise in SMP content such as lifesteal (although rn that is starting to lose some popularity, but not all) as well as servers like pvplegacy and MCCisland. Basically all this means that the whole purpose for revamping the combat has gone as 1.9 has gained support. idk this is just my theory don’t take these as facts

Its perfect how it is right now

1.21 if gonna potentially add this. In the name, it has “combat” in its name, so we may see an improved system for combat in Minecraft.

So you could spam? Axe is a short range truck damage dealer? And trident is a anti spam, long ranga melee? That's... Very interesting, tbh there may not be the best system, but this is a base for improvement.

genuinely why and how have i never heard about this experimental combat update ive never heard a pip until now also i rlly dont get why 1.9 got so much hate the weapon charge is more skill based and not just how fast can you click you have to aim well and move well either way and its really not that complicated, maybe im wrong or overlooking smt but i do think the new experimental update that would combine both worlds is tons better than either of them anyway

coming from me, a person who has played on bedrock edition for there entire minecraft career. i would like to see some changes added to pvp

I think Technoblade said it best himself in his videos about 1.9+ combat. The 1.8 system sucks, and needed to be changed. 1.9 combat just happened to be one of the only ways they could've made it worse. That said though, 1.9 undoubtedly has its benefits. There may be less casual pvp players now for multiplayer gamemodes like bedwars and skywars, but if you look at the more professional competitive side of things, MCC is pretty huge and people love to watch that. I think the snapshots were definitely going in the right direction like you said, combining the 1.8 and 1.9 combat while improving and remodeling the parts that need it to create a combat system that both professional and casual players can enjoy. Hopefully Jeb can get back to those snapshots sometime soon.

I genuinely hope that the PvP changes to a more spammy-like. A mod called ''better combat'' would be perfect for minecraft. It's basically the mc dungeons combat system.

one cool thing about the update is that hoes became weapons and did somehting else other than just being practically useless (since back in the day they did not have as much prefered blocktypes as now) by making them have longer range like the trident and i think faster cooldown (but jitterclick was still usefull)

ever since cts i have been waiting, one day it will come

Solve the combat preference problem by turning it into modes, “classic” and “modern” done.

Honestely if mojang actually tried with the updates we could have a good system by now and probably be at 1.30, but since they only release 1 small update per year the game is not gojng anywhere.

I think the only bad thing in this update was removing sword blocking.

Bedrock combat: 👀👀👀 1.8 players come here

We should take Minecraft for ourselves!

1.8 is more than just spam clicking. A lot of it is about movement, aim, reaction speed, etc. With that being said, I still prefer 1.9 combat, as it is more engaging overall. 1.8 gets old quickly, and most fights are very same-y, and when you play 1.8 pvp, you can easily just get distracted. 1.9 fights feel way more tense, and practically forcing you to pay attention to the game (which is what makes it so fun and engaging), and has a lot more variety in fighting and keeps you on the edge, instead of just spamming swords and your keyboard. When playing 1.9 pvp, it is impossible to get distracted because you have to pay attention to things like cooldowns and shields which makes it so tense and engaging and fun. And also, if you keep losing 1.8 pvp, it will be hard to improve and get better because most of the mechanics of 1.8 aren't very obvious to the casual player which can feel frustrating not knowing where you are going wrong. If you lose in 1.9 pvp, it is easy for a casual player to spot their mistake and improve. The only change I would make to 1.9 PvP to make it even more engaging than it already is is to make it so when you hit a shield, no matter what weapon, for it to go down, but have it so when they right click again it goes down. Axes will still disable shields for a few seconds, but you can take down the shield until the opponent activates it again without an axe. This would be fun because right now, you can just hold down right click for your shield until you see them holding an axe. But with this, you have to keep releasing right click and putting it back, and you have to do it quickly before they hit you while you are not shielding. This adds another element of reaction time, and will make fights even more intense and make you pay even more attention. And, I do not like the recent updates with shields blocking 100% of explosion damage and stuff, I would say to revert that as well. (coming from an actual game dev here) *Thank you for reading my SUPER long comment!*

I like the cooldown I hope the pvp cooldown doesn’t change

I just want the pvp system between bedrock and java to be united

I feel that minecraft sees itself as a coop survival game and make changes without thinking too much on PvP, doing such because they are trying to make survival coop more interesting

Attack spamming is brain dead thats why people got mad having to actually time your attacks was much more interesting to me tbh

If this update came to life I would stop playing

As a bedrock player who plays on the OG Network (by the mister epic) I like the newer combat actually and would love to see the combat snapshots being implemented in the 1.21 update

I feel Like th combat update is much better because its much more rewarding and skilled based