Clearly what Red Hood was missing was a sex scene between Bruce and Jason.

Bruce Timm’s creepy fetish fueled fan fiction happened

The fact that Batman is with someone who is in many iterations essentially his daughter in law is just icky and confusing

The first 30 minutes was pure fanfiction from Bruce Tim

It's even more upsetting since Mark Hamill's always wanted to do a Killing Joke adaptation and when they finally give it to him they arbitrarily take the focus away from the Joker for much of the movie

I did not need to know those Bruce Timm pictures existed

I never liked the idea of batman as a sexual character. Sex is a pleasure of the flesh and Bruce has cultivated his mind to focus on being batman.

The ACTUAL Killing Joke part is great. I just skip the first 30 minutes.

“I censored all the porn” lol good job Anna *claps*

Oh you mean the movie where Bruce Timm had to work in his weird Bruce/Barbara ship instead of just leaving it in fanfiction?

Dude! I saw it in theatres too. And my whole theatre starting going "NOOOO!" during the Batman/Barbara sex scene.

Also wasn’t barbra dating robin/nightwing at the time?

I just now realised that if you cut out tge first 30 minutes and replace it with a 20 minute opening showing Batman and Batgirl going up against a villian like maybe Firefly and beating him up really bad ,because they're kinda arch enemies in the Batgirl year one comic, then her quitung because she lost control and nearly killed him. That would've worked 10 times better than what Bruce "on the brink of drawing hentai" Tim showed.

I love how on Netflix the R rating if you check doesn't even mention sex so most people watching it for the first time on Netflix will be like "HOLY SHIT BAT PORN"

It was weird when batgirl was getting banged by batman

What Bruce Timm shockingly does not understand is that Barbara Gordon was not targeted because of her "dangerous" association with Batman, as one might suspect, but because of her more "safe" and stable relationship with her father. This is so clear, it's baffling that someone like Timm, so steeped in the lore, would fail to comprehend it. Instead, in trying to provide Barbara with "more character," Timm and Azzarello utterly disrespected her character. They put her in an awkward sexual liaison with Batman, not in service of her character, but simply to provide unnecessary further motivation for him. In the process, they turned Barbara into a cliché. And even setting aside the sexual missteps, the entire intro is just bland and generic. Had it been a standalone short, which it should have been, if it's to exist at all, it would be one best forgotten. Comparing it to BTAS is unfair, as even at its lowest point, the series never sank nearly so low, in its storytelling. And the actual adaptation misses so many opportunities, particularly to utilize those fantastically cinematic transitions from the book. What should have been one of the greatest Batman movies of all time, incomprehensibly, becomes a plodding mess, in the hands of the very people who should have been best positioned to knock it out of the park.

It’s more impactful since Barb is like a daughter to him. He’s like a father figure to the bat crew since he’s older than them. Hell if he didn’t know Barb, it was still impactful since Gordon is a great friend to him and harming a friend’s family was still gonna hit him hard

Bruce timm has a serious problem. This movie is really disrespectful to the story.

I like to imagine Batman abruptly stop laughing then grabbing Joker and judo slamming him into the ground and just beating the crap out of him before taking him back to Arkham.

"All it takes is one bad day" Sounds like the makings for a Venom movie without Spider-Man.........oh wait!

I need that Bomb Squad hoodie.

The Animated film of Batman: The Killing Joke should’ve started when Batman went to Arkham to talk to Joker about their relationship.

4:00 So what you're saying is Batman should have had sex with Gordon?

That Impression of Conroy's Batman was pretty good 🤣

You know what's funny? My biggest beef with this movie was the rated R. It did not feel like an R. Deadpool, that's R. This? Not so much. I felt that this movie did not go far enough. What do I mean by that? Well we're supposed to go on this journey with Gordan. We're supposed to see what he sees, hear what he hears, and what did we get? Flash cards, fast ride, and a musical number. We didn't experience the torment, the torture the man went through. It just did not go far enough and that was what disappointed me the most. Sad, because I used to say "Warner brothers needs to give Bruce Timm full reign into a Universe Movie Franchise," but now thanks to this movie and Harley Quinn movie I don't think that would be for the best. It shows that Bruce did good with a good team. That team sadly is either retired, or passed on.

I completely agree, I personally thought anything to fill that half hour, could have been a story that focuses on Joker and includes Batgirl, but Batman tells her to stay away because of what happened with Jason. It would be a good introduction to Barbara and who she is because general audiences may not be too familiar with her, and a great way to remind us how much of a threat Joker is.

What pisses me off bout this movir was the execution of joker's monologue and how rushed it was done. I've seen forestfire101 do alot better than the actual film of making you feel bad for the joker.

I had a girlfriend once. The only thing she censored was my will to copulate.

I swear to God if Paul Dini was the writer of this animated movie, he would absolutely will make the Killing Joke's story ten times better and will never let that Bruce/Barbara scene ever happen. Like, look at his work, sure he isn't as big of a comic book writer compare to Loeb or Snyder or Miller etc. But he made the greatest superhero cartoon of all time, Batman: The Animated Series. Like, that series was soo good, it became the first cartoon to won an Emmy award for the Heart of Ice episode. Which was a spectacular episode and one of the best from the series. Dini also wrote the first two greatest superhero video games, Batman: Arkham Asylum and Batman: Arkham City. Like those two video games were brilliantly well made, it actually made me felt that I was Batman and the storytelling, character development and the overall writing is fantastic. It was just like playing in the same universe as in the comics or the Animated Series. Like literally, Paul Dini brought his amazing skills as a writer and understanding of the characters from the cartoons to the video games. Paul Dini should've wrote the Killing Joke animated movie and it would've been a way better film then it already was. But oh well.

4:22 iS tHiS lOsS?

If they were going to do a half hour prequel section, they should have had a segment with Bruce, Dick and Barbara. The good old days of the Bat-Family. A status quo destroyed in part by the Joker and in part by Bruce driving Dick away.

Xavier actually uploading videos on a regular basis? What timeline is this?

This movie ruined the killing joke.

Now you’re going to have to watch and review the fetish fuel nightmare that is Batman and Harley Quinn. :D

My theory for the ending of the Killing Joke goes like this: this is probably the ONLY time EVER Joker will get to hear Batman laugh. So obviously he’s gonna clam up and enjoy every moment of it he can.

I completely agree with your bit about Under the Red Hood. I loved the comic version but the movie is the definitive version of that story in my eyes. Also I love you

My favourite animated Batman movie is Batman beyond return of the joker and it’s not just because of the joker death scene i loved everything in the film

As a fan from the UK I need some bomb squad merch.

I thought the sex scene was completely unnecessary too, although I assumed that the point of the first act was to give Batgirl a swan song before crippling her, which would have been a better answer. They completely failed at it, of course, but it would have been a better reason to use Batgirl in this movie. It is tonally out of sync with the rest of the movie, the Paris Franz character was terrible and added nothing to the story, and even if I could buy the idea of Batgirl getting "hot for teacher," that doesn't mean we needed to see it happen. I kept thinking a better first act could've been Batgirl vs Harley. Obviously Harley didn't exist when the graphic novel came out, but they still used a still of her in the film, so whatever. Not only is it a viable parallel between Batman and Joker, but Harley kind of proves Joker's thesis that anyone can become like him, so what if he COULD break Gordon the way he did Harley? He did that to her during therapy, and he's got Gordon all to himself. If you used a desperate, strung out Harley struggling with the knowledge that Joker doesn't love her and that she threw her old life away for nothing, that could be an appropriately heartbreaking moment, it could give Barbara a reason to question her own devotion to Batman, and that in turn could leave Batman questioning his influence on others, and the cost of his rivalry with men like the Joker. It would leave him in exactly the right mindset when the graphic novel's story actually picks up. But they didn't do that, so boo.

6:14 the day that tumbler went crazy

I think the video you need to make should be "what happened to Bruce Timm" because lately hes been making very questionable choices and tbh has made me look at him different. which sucks really because he was the mastermind behind the original animated series.

Saw this in the theater and I remember sitting through the first 30 minutes wondering how the hell the creepy guy was connected to Joker. I thought they had expanded the story and it was going to be related to Joker's scheme somehow but NOPE! I think what happened is that because the original story is so popular, getting a theater release would allow more money. However in order to do that, the movie had to be much longer so they came up with a random story that involved Batgirl to sort of, but not really tie to her getting shot by Joker. It felt like watching 2 tv episodes back-to-back because of how unrelated they were. If you're not going to expand on the actual Killing Joke story, at least make Joker the villain throughout the whole thing.

I also saw this in the theater. Almost walked out. I'd been dreaming of this adaptation for decades...Timm...Conroy...Hamill. Then it came out, and I was floored by how badly they fumbled it.

Bruce Timm paved the way for all the content creators out there now who can’t write a story without including their own sexual needs and fetishes, and are even driven by them. What a legacy.

The Oracle thing was probably in there because when the "Killing Joke" book came out they got a lot of static for paralyzing Barba Gordon (more of that Women in Refrigerators thing, or something akin to it), even the invention of Oracle didn't please a lot of them because they said it was an afterthought and not planned out all along.

When Joker sings "Only You" reminds me of when Batman sings "I am Blue" in that JL episode where Wonder Woman gets turned into a pig.

Aw! You and Anna are so cute! You are one lucky dude Mr. Mendoza!

All we literally did when the film hit DVD and Blu-Ray was skip the first painful to watch 30 minutes of this movie. Best decision of our lives.

Doctor: I’m sorry Gordon but she’ll never use her legs again Batman: I’m sorry she really was using her legs on that rooftop hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Awkward silence Batman: I’m not sorry Jumps out of window

I'm gonna get my girlfriend pregnant just to buy the bomb squad baby onesie. Brb in 9 months.

Thank you so much for this. It's great to hear you're back/can't wait for your next video.

Too bad the Killing Joke movie was such a disappointment. Could've had so much potential.

THE KILLING JOKE WAS NOT OVER RATED. Was one of my favorite stories. But yeah, the film was kinda bloated in the beginning. They should have consulted the original writers on this.

Watching this made me think this: what if the first 30 mins was Barbara’s early days as Batgirl; building their relationship (a PLATONIC relationship) and it could end with a classic Batman/Joker fight which leads to him going to Arkham and then cue Killing Joke.

Why haven't you hit 100,000 subscribers yet? your content is AMAZING or even ULTIMATE

Imagine this being the first comic you ever read, making you fall in love with the world as well as the medium, then hoping for years to get an adaptation with the legendary Hamil and Conroy, then getting this. ...bet that would suck... If they were pushing for run time, I still think this movie should have been The Man Who Laughs followed by the Killing Joke.

Honestly, I think Killing Joke is almost impossible to adapt into an animated movie if your goal is to make an amazing film out of it because it's pretty much a short story that you can read through a lunch break and they stretched it out to meet the standards of a feature length film. As much as like Bruce Timm's art (I think he's a great artist and I respect his work towards BTAS) he always seems to have fetish about characters fondling each other on a weird basis. So much so that he's drawing porn about them. I don't know, it kind of makes me very uneasy about it when we're talking about comic book characters being drawn for a kids cartoon. That explains why Bruce/Barbara relationship was always very unsettling to me. It's obvious that Bruce Wayne is a womanizing bachelor who can turn on chicks left and right, but Barbara is Dick Grayson's age and Bruce is Dick's foster father. That kind of shit would only slide in fanmade porn movies.

I really liked how the end credits is just the sound of rain for a few minutes. that was a really nice touch IMO.

I don't really mind the idea of the post-credits Oracle scene, if only because the idea of Barbara bouncing back from tragedy is sort of a mirror for how Gordon doesn't let what the Joker does to him break him either. Besides, Barbara getting shot and crippled was one of the thing detractors hated about the story, because it just abruptly ended her tenure as Batgirl and the writers had no further plans for her for a long time. I could see why they'd want to avoid hitting that kind of note again.

I feel the destruction of Bludhaven was pretty important, as Batman is faced with what is most likely the death of one son, just as another is is holding him at gunpoint.

Well, thank you for making me aware of the Batman version of Loss.

dude, you are like, my favorite youtuber

Been loving the uploads, keep it up

I have to admit, when the Killing Joke animated movie came out I was very underwhelmed. I had such high hopes for this and so did lots of others but it's so hard to enjoy it at times. I would have loved it a bit more if it had more colour like the original graphic novel. This was a great review! It's such a treat to look at my recommended page and see your uploading more often. (Also if it's not to much of a hassle, I I said something to you in the DMs on IG) Thank you

I don't buy KZfaqr merch. But you may have just changed my mind.

This movie was a waste of Mark Hamill's talent

Such an underrated KZfaqr I swear 🤦‍♂️ you make really entertaining videos btw, keep up the good work

I watched it on TV, and I actually started it right where you said it should start, and it was great. I watched it again with the entire movie, and I was displeased.

It's kinda weird that the killing joke is a self contained story but also simultaneously a crucial aspect to Batman's character which exists in every continuity since it was published, just without the ambiguity of the ending

I like how they played Batman and Joker’s relationship as paralleling a romantic one in the LEGO Batman Movie

Goddamn it, Xavier. I was just working on my video on the Killing Joke. But in all seriousness, amazing video. And the editing was top notch, mai gai.

I find it interesting how heavyhanded that scene is between Bruce and Barbara in mystery of the batwoman considering Bruce Timm had nothing to do with that movie

I thought the relationship was super creepy between Batgirl and Batman. And I wondered Batman’s sexual desire for Batgirl was tied to Gordon in some way. Was their attraction real? Stress/isolation induced? Did they just get their wires crossed, confusing one set of feelings for another? Then I wondered adding any of this made the story better. But I realized it didn’t. It made it convoluted, contrived, creepy fan-service. Timm is a legend. But this story, and that Batman and Harley Quinn film is the te reason that I don’t buy DCAU films blindly anymore. I watch them first.

Great video! You’re great at explaining your points, reasons, and opinions as always and you somehow tell them humorously too! Also, the editing was as good as ever.

I love how you used Eon from Celldweller as the background music.

I actually loved seeing what was hinted years ago in the animated series and Batman Beyond. ❤️

4:39 - LOL I thought that was actually Kevin Conroy for a second!

"I censored all the Porn" - Anna

hey xyaver thanks for all you wonderfull content that contrasts mos of the garbage corwding up youtube as of late!

2 Videos wow another one again, great job dude!

Red hood and killing joke are two of my favourite batman stories, because they both look at batman's flaws as a character, i think maybe to fill time somehow intertwining them would have at least been interesting rather than just making animators work on fan fiction, this probably wouldn't work but my favourite batman stuff is where it uses the other bat family so i'm not really qualified

Be careful, office relationships don't always work! Aside from that, great work from her!

I’ve been waiting for another editorial.

A new GodzillaMendoza video, it must be Christmas

I remember looking forward to seeing the scene where Joker monologues over the PA system to Batman near the end. But they brushed by it so quickly. It baffles me that a fan made 3D animation of the scene is so much more effective than the official film version. (The one by "jwhit3d") Not every DC animated movie is a winner, some of them are just outright bad, like Crisis on Two Earths, but I was really hoping this would be one of the great ones. All of the subtlety and precision from Alan Moore's pages are sadly absent however.

Death in the family, Year One, The Dark Knight Returns, The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween, The Court Of Owls... There’s just so many great Batman stories!

4:38 Ok u rly nailed that voice and u edited it rly good

What I hate about Batman is that the writers ship him with every card carrying member of the vagina club. He's slept with practically every female member of his rogue gallery at least once and many female members of the Justice league also. Hell, he's even been date raped TWICE and they brush it off like it ain't nothing.

8:02 strongest character ever in fiction

The first half was un needed and when you get to the actual killing joke story it just got boring.

Man these are the shirts I actually wanna buy. Maybe when school drops ill ask if I can get one. Hope they let me wear the spiderman bombsquad shirt

hi anna thank you for editting out the tumblr bait. You two make a great team.

I personally liked the movie. I did find the scene with batman and Batgirl a little off putting though, however I did think that showing Batgirl in action before the shooting did help drive the message home a bit better. The end credit scene also drilled for me the importance of not letting sircomstance stop you from doing what is needed.

I need me that mug, I don't even drink coffee, I just want it so I can do that slow sip that scares the shit outa people P.S. great vid

I remember watching that first 30 minutes with a few friends (who were all big Batman fans) and there reactions ranged from ‘what was that?’ To ‘did you put in the right DVD?’ (Not joking someone asked me that and we took out the dvd just to be sure.)

I'm happy we already have a good killing joke adaptation aka the cgi video here on KZfaq

4:38 I heard that in Kevin's voice now I can't watch any scene with them in the animated series without hours of uncomfortable thoughts

I never understood how bruce timm never got a creepy vibe from his ship, barbara is the daughter of bruce's friend, she's around the age of his son, SHE DATES HIS SON, and this doesn't only happen in the comics, it is also a thing in the dcau, the universe in which he worked, it's just so creepy. And I actually liked the oracle scene, this plot uses barbara (and jim gordon) as devices to show how messed up the joker is and traumatize and cripple her, kinda shitty how one of the most shocking and important events of her character happen without her having any say or relevancy to the actual plot, it doesnt happen bc of her, its bc of her connections to others, but I do think that the scene was misplaced, maybe they could have done a batgirl movie after this instead

I always thought the first 30 minutes was more for the audience, because since it was released in theaters there might be a lot of people coming to see this movie with little to no idea of the bigger picture surround the events in the Killing Joke.

I already liked your ideas and opinions listening to your other essays but now that you say Under the Red Hood is your favorite movie you leave me no other choice but to subscribe to you 👀