I think this is not what he meant. Barbarians were not keeping 1/3 and uploading 2/3 to Rome. It was local farmers had to surrender 1/3 of whatever they produce to the Franks etc. Was 1/3 too high, well probably not if the protection they received was adequate, and the code of conduct of the Franks soldier was good. Would Rome came to the Franks and asked them to contribute / upload portion of their "tax revenue" to Rome. Fat chance but they might. Which meant the tax code and administration of the tax system, was all handled by the Franks anyway. So when Rome disappeared, there was no change locally, only that the tribal chief of Franks has no-one to answer to, so called himself King of Franks.

@@cyrilchui2811 taxes often exceeded that 1/3 and a big part of these local taxes went to Rome, which did not provide enough protection anyway, so local rulers had to pay barbarians for protection. And then it just didn't make sense to send taxes to rome anymore

Maybe this is what was meant when the late Roman administration told the Romano-British they had to look to their own defence?

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Amazing! I am a bit envious, I would love to study that officially

Are you studying the whole of the eastern roman army or just the late eastern roman army? One question I always had is how the Eastern Roman army fought against the germanic/slavic tribes in the Balkans and the Sassanids in the east considering their fighting styles are very different and how to counter each while dealing with each other at the same time.

@@apersonontheinternet595 I haven't read Maurice's Strategikon but I bet it covers just that. It would be nice to have a summary of that combined with all archaeological findings.

Can you give a date of the LATE ROMAN EMPIRE in the EAST? Because the EAST ROMAN EMPIRE existed until the middle ages.

I think that is a culturual redundancy. Like American soldiers no longer have a flag bearer. Roman armies now relied on the basic christian fastings and praying before the conflict.

The late army favored warrior themes. Mithras,etc. NOT some ( it's hereafter, so you better be good? Theology!) Martial, Manliness, Stoicism. It got so bad average Roman, became a WIMP!? I think Christianity basically fucked the Empire! Christians were just as Envious, lying,powe

Power Mad, two faced ,and VERY INTOLERANT of Any Other Beliefs! ( My crummy Chinese phone jumped ahead in my reply?) This is continuation. All meek will inherit is 6 ft.Earth,if they even bury you?! Anyway, Everyone avoided Military Service, Soldiers need💰! It became cheaper to hire Barbarians, taxes were getting harder& harder to collect, Rich avoided any gov.service, taxes, etc.lived lives basically removed from Empire, ( until something happened , like Barbarians at your door! This they couldn't ignore!) Crap about prayer,fasting?! YOU don't know Soldiers!😂 Gov.ran out of💰! The Barbarians took less in taxes, than late Empire, Poor sold themselves into Servitude to some Rich guy, who had,power,his own muscle, kept gov.off your back! No incentive , No stack in Empire. BARBARIANS figured out, hey?! We're Muscle, WE got Power, Don't need AEMPEROR!! SIMPLE!! The Guys like AETIUS,STILICHO,MAJORIAN, I REALLY RESPECT& ADMIRE! They Gave A DAMN! Fought Good Fight to Preserve Empire! Few& far between. Plus East had More Cities,Commerce,💰💰!!! Better Shape!!1 of big Ifs of History!?🤔

Stake in Empire! ( Chinese phone does it again?!)

@@coryhirsh4119crazy person

This did actually make me chuckle. As it is, I need to start lifting again so THAT doesn’t happen to me!

@@TheFallofRome I put on weight for decades trying to follow the Food Pyramid, which tells you that you can eat all the bread you want but God help you if you overdo meat and other protein sources. I have since come to realize that the Food Pyramid was making me unhealthy. The RDA on protein is 1g for every 3 lbs body weight (technically 0.8g for every kg of body weight, but who thinks like that?) and it has been for decades. Once I realized I wasn't getting enough protein, and I started counting my protein and making sure I was getting enough, the pounds started coming off, easily. I think the American diet is flawed not only in its overemphasis on bread, but its de-emphasis on beans, lentils, and the like. It's a lot easier to not put the pounds on in the first place, if your diet doesn't skew towards empty calories. This is not to say that carbs are inherently bad; there's an RDA on carbs too, 130g (520 calories). So a person needs at least some carbs to remain healthy, but not as much as is pretty common. To put it in perspective, seven slices of white bread will give a person their RDA of carbs.

@@kingbeauregard oh it’s absolutely horrible for you! I used to be a bodybuilder (wouldn’t guess from the size of me now haha) so nutrition was something I was very keen on. Having lived in different parts of the country, yeah we don’t really understand nutrition in the states. It doesn’t help that the food supply is skewed. Chicago is one of the main meat processing and packing centers, and when I lived in Iowa for a year, pork and beef were probably twice as expensive as when I lived/live in New York. Which to me was bizarre considering that Iowa was in the Midwest and was the heartland of so much food production like corn. It was expensive there. In the Midwest! All of which pushes people to unhealthy, cheap foods I always tried to look at it like: if civilization fell and we had to hunt and forage again, what would you actually eat? That’s what evolution designed us to do after all

That’s going to be finished soon. I have all the episodes done

I've been pondering what the Republican Rome could have done to maintain that system, instead of Marian Reform. The patricians could have collectively, and proportionately paid the Plebians for the duration they were away from their land. The plebians would have been grateful, generating a good will for the future. The patricians as a group would have had compliant Plebs, in turn, less riots, better for everyone, no wannabee dictators arising with Pleb support. The plebs still would have been allowed to collect booties as a bonus, this would have made the plebs less greedy, since they were already getting paid for the duration they were away from their land, meaning less hardship for the newly integrated population to Rome.

Thank you!

Definitely all good here. I could only read so many books as a child in the school library and time was spent between outside sport and rainy day reading. The image of long forgotten battles by ordinary people and unique individuals who through sheer luck, fortunate circumstances or just bloody good at what they did. Now I can focus my attention to the awesome work that you do (and all the other people, working behind the scenes). I can almost feel and see. The madness of the Roman Empire in today's society. And me...? I'm just a plep.... Awesome work. Mr Historian Craft. 👍🇦🇺

That’s absolutely an argument some have made, and it’s one I buy into, to a degree. There were absolutely elements of continuation in the Carolingian Empire from Late Antiquity, and probably many Roman aristocrats would have found it…maybe not exactly the same but certainly similar to a degree

Yes absolutely! The end of the Roman Empire in the west was a process, not an event, and in many ways-like in the example you provided-people didn’t even notice that it was gone until one day they woke up, and it wasn’t there

@@TheFallofRome Are there any better documented cases of state collapse that people could use as comparisons for the roman example, just had a thought about comparing it to warlord era china and the way the Qing army splintered into regional armies/gangs. I don't know much about either and obviously they are very different, but do you think using examples like the Qing help explain what collapse/splintering may have actually looked like seeing as how we have more sources for something like that rather than classical or ancient examples

@@boby34121 The breakup of the Soviet Union although very different has some interesting aspects like the breakup and splintering of a huge military and the widespread proliferation of its arms. I have no evidence but I suspect something similar may have happened in the post roman world with new warlords now controlling previously state armorys and fabricae and individual soldiers previously employed by the state selling off their equipment. Strong men seizing positions of power previously held by beurocrats employed by the state and also movements towards other national identities other than " Soviet" may be similar to the new identities emerging in the Western Provinces. Also the living standards generally got worse for people living in a post Soviet world however they did have more individual freedom similar the Western Roman Empire.

That would probably be one of the key distinctions, yeah. The power structures in Western Europe and (eventually) Northern Europe, totally change by about 900 into something the late Roman Empire wouldn’t have recognized. Could you clarify what you mean in your second paragraph? I could probably recommend some reading material

@@TheFallofRome how did the medieval world of systems of vassalage etc transform into the modern one of depersonalized states?

I suspect that they never really disappeared, but instead formed the basis of local militias all over Europe. So much of our society is based on Roman models, and our military is no exception. In a way, the Centurions live on as the NCO’s in our army today.

Even worse. But that was never a real possibility. And it’s no worse now than back then. Funny how people conjure up fantasies of some utopian past.

I’m not sure. It’s the main subject I focused on in college, so quite a few