Lpg seemed to lose its appeal at one point when it’s price was similar to other fuels. But now that petrol and diesel is so dear, suddenly the lpi falcon would sell like hot cakes if it were still around. Maybe that’s why they didn’t sell as many as it seems they should’ve. Cheers for the content mate haven’t missed one for over a year !

Fuel economy is not the same as modern cars, but cost vs how many Kilometers you can get out of this thing is way better.

Only just seeing this 3 months later but Ross let me tell you i drove from Melbourne to Mildura (550kms) on a single full tank and still had just under half a tank left in my 09 LPG FG - these things are Australias biggest secret

Great review, yet another highly underrated Falcon, everything you said you hit the nail on the head, everyone has branded Falcons for being "not fuel efficient" but if you drive them right they are great on the juice....plus they make up for the extra fuel in super cheap cost of maintenance!

In a perfect world this engine should of been engineered for the SZ Territory rather than the Landrover Diesel that we got.

Love my 2014 XR6 EcoLpi. North Brisbane has enough LPG, and much cheaper compared to diesel. A shame it was never marketed well. It also has fantastic performance. A week ago I paid 94c per litre.

My 08 tradesman ute Barra gas has 620,000kms runs great with standard maintenance,just less an less stations carry LPG now which really can be frustrating

It’s getting harder to find LPG. And you’ll find it tough to sell the car when the time comes.

I think people really didn't know how great those ecolpi engines were. That was because Ford simply didn't explain it to the general public. Very efficient and very reliable heaps of research and development went into them.

I had LPG on my holden 308 back in the 90s early 2000s, back then it was 20 cents a liltre , was the best mod i ever made. LPG also has a higher octaine raiing then other forms of petrol, also if the engine is straight tuned just on LPG, it creates more power.

Ford has an EL falcon concept car called the Predator, built by John Bowe and Larry Perkins. Was a straight 6, supercharged running lpg and made 230kw. Orange too 😉

Love your work mate. I've had a AU and BF, both Utes, both LPG, both great workhorses . The great thing about Aussie cars was that a backyard enthusiast could do alot of the servicing. However the LPG system requires a "specialist" to look it over. Alot of the newer servos don't sell gas anymore which is a shame.

Hi Ross. Great review/overview of the FG MK2 XR6 EcoLPI. I have a 2013 version here in Perth and has been a pretty good car. A few issues I have found here in Perth for such cars are (may not apply to eastern states): * Yes stations for LPG are less and less every day, especially in the country areas. If you look at fuel watch you can't comfortably drive from Perth to Kalgoorlie with adequate LPG stops along the way. * While yes electric cars you eventually need to replace batteries, for LPG cars you are required to get the LPG tank tested very 10 years. Mine will be due next year and will likely cost about $1000-$1200. * While the Fords dealers in Perth will be happy to do general servicing of your LPG Ford, they will NOT TOUCH ANY of the LPG side of the car. Which means there is also NO support by Ford to get your tank testing done by them. I emailed directly to Ford Aus with no answer (other than please call us). I have found one place in Perth that specializes in LPG cars but if anyone can suggest others in Perth or know of any of the Ford dealers that give ANY support, please let me know..

LPG is great since it's cheap and relatively clean though perhaps the biggest problem with LPG is that service stations are fazing it out, which means it's becoming harder to find LPG...

Great review of the EcoLPI, Ross. Very rare Victory Gold in that model. I always liked the colour in the FGX. Really good fuel economy but we find that not many service stations are selling gas in the Lower Hunter area anymore. Could be a problem finding a place to fill up in time to come. I wonder what the build date on this car is. As I seen someone share online that they bought a FG MK2 Victory Gold back in October and said it was built in March 2014. It was Dedicated Gas as well.

I think LPG stations reducing in numbers mostly killed the possibility of LPG becoming a mainstream fuel for cars. Makes you wonder why the greenies wouldn't embrace this technology. Oh wait I know, cos we can fuel our cars on cancel culture, pronouns, and dirty electric tech sourced from dirty resources hmmm... love your stuff Ross, keep them coming. Ford was such a great brand once upon a time, not do these days

Another very good review! I own an FG Mk II Falcon G6E EcoLPI, and though I used to own BMW 6-series coupes, my G6E EcoLPI is the best car I’ve ever had. By the way, its excellent ZF 6HP26 6-speed automatic transmission is the same model as used in previous BMW 7-series cars, and a few other luxury cars. I believe it’s also stronger than the version of the 6HP that came fitted in the naturally-aspirated petrol “Barra” six powered FG X Falcons. Also, it doesn’t seem like the EcoLPI “Barra” six was available in a G6E after the Mk II. I agree with your sentiments about LPG being an excellent automotive fuel for Australia, and am concerned about its decline in availability … By the way, the EcoLPI’s liquid-phase-injection of LPG is computer controlled (EFI). LPI gives a boost effect, due to latent-heat-of-vaporisation … more air gets into the combustion chambers, which is then compressed more than other versions of the “Barra” six, due to its 12:1 compression-ratio pistons. The EcoLPI does not have direct-injection as mentioned in the video, but port-injection. The EcoLPI is two levels of LPG gas technology above the earlier EGas (green top) “Barra” six. 🚙

This video is going to get a lot of views now with the price of petrol in Australia. It seems like a massive oversight for the industry to avoid LPG models. Toyota could even have a resurgance given they didn't get on board with EVs early.

Ross, I watched your review to try to understand why? I 100% agree with you and share the exact same thinking on the car and the LPG system. It's still got me stuffed.... Why, why, why. Did this car not sell shit loads? It is the biggest missed segment in the Australian car market I have found to date and equates to a big loss for this country and many of its good people.

Yeah it’s a shame that local car manufacturing stopped

LPG + 4000cc + ZF = ENVIRO FRIENDLY!!! We have HEAPS of propane reserves in BASS STRAIGHT!!! Add some butane, nitrogen & you have LPG!!! The BARRA still had a business model because it's one of the few engines on this earth that can tolerate LPG!!!

This is one of your best videos mate you killed it with the knowledge mate. Great one 👌

My dad has an fg green top lpg ute, it's been a great workhorse but he's been finding it harder to get lpg as alot of servos are ditching their gas tanks/pumps, also in was, so you wouldn't have had to go to the dark side of Australia to find one

They are brilliant. Fact my Ute with a tastful sounding exhaust mod ran 14.65 at Heathcote on a nice cold nite. Fact with time slips to back it up.

great review Ross. totally agree - it really is a shame that the Falcons are no longer being made. In terms of Fuel efficiency - I recently traded in my VE SS and went back to a FG XR6 2011 manual and I'm getting less than 10L/100km. I mean, such a good car - reliable, its got the power and enough usable torque in the lower rev range for daily driving..and as you say they had the LPG and 2.0L versions as well..such a shame they weren't given the chance to be all that they could be.

I love my 2003 ba ford falcon Ute se can’t go wrong with the gas when it’s dedicated

Its not direct injection, its multipoint fuel injection in the fuel rail - so port fuel injection. I agree the emissions would have kept it compliant easier than the petrol version. More things about LPG, I worked for a company that retailed LPG as one of its business units and they had this frustrating attitude that it was a fuel for dirty old taxis, bbqs and furnaces. Kept on calling it a dead end business. BP is looking at retooling the Kwinana oil refinery to produce jet fuel from biodiesel and green hydrogen using a process developed by Honeywell. One of the byproducts of this is propane which is called ‘renewable propane’. SO its possible to have net zero (assuming proper fuel mixture tuning to suppress N2O formation from combustion in air) motoring with LPG or at the very least very low emissions. I don’t agree with the mining argument against EVs though. Many studies show that the overall impact cut off between a conventional car vs an EV is around 80 000km, maybe less or maybe more based upon the source of electricity. WITH all of that said, I do love me some EcoLPI. It’s my favourite engine :)

The Lpi falcon was quicker then the petrol ones. They were detuned from 245kw back to 198kw. At 245kw they were just as quick to 70km/h then the xr6 Turbo falcon.

Use to be the sort engine to get, nowadays everyone is simply rebuilding ba blocks as it's cheaper to rebuild a ba for big power than buy a LPG to convert...

When the FGX came out, and ford was letting people test it at Avalon, they claimed the FGX XR6 ecolpi was quicker on launch than a turbo, there’s a video on KZfaq too.

Great review Im doin 700ks to a tank in my work bf wagon lpg.. not a bad car super comfortable has adequate power.. it’s just when they get on a bit the gas and computer don’t like each other.. there is 7 lpg wagons in our fleet.. only problem is most service stations are not renewing there tanks.. lpg we be history very soon.. sadly.. but you a spot on Ross. More development and we could’ve had a clean fuel

South Korea started offering LPG to the public in 2019 to reduce emissions. Kia produce a number of LPG cars I wonder why they aren't offering them in Australia.

Ford should have added blind spot sensors (for lane changing) on the FGX. They gave you extras like maps and digital radio but no sensors. They are just so useful as you can never be sure if a vehicle is in a blind spot.

Maybe Ford should have spent their money advertising this direct injection LPG model instead of R&D into the 2L Ecoboost model which was a sales flop. I totally forgot about this model until this review and I'd say alot of people never knew it even existed sadly. Be interesting to see total build numbers 🤔

I love the LPG and LPI, currently putting parts on my 06 XT wagon for a rwc

I've had lpg cars mainly falcons for over 20yrs now, I can remember paying 19c a litre and even though it's now $119 litre, I'll still stick to my Bf 2007, my Au 2000 ute and my Prado Grande 1997 and they've never let me down. Touch Wood. Gotta love my Fords🇦🇺🌈

Mate of mine had one of these was just as good as the petrol, great cars, the short period where Holden and ford were pushing gas cars was a massive missed opportunity

Might as well do an LPG VE series 2 then after this

A lot of garages over here have gone out of LPG as all of the taxis have all gone over to electric.

Great review. I have an immaculate 2014 with only 93k sitting in the garage , just waiting for the right buyer. Just a smooth powerful car and cheaper to run than my Focus daily driver 😊

Still driving my gas bf since 2016, incredibly reliable car, and clean, I get 650ks out of my bf

300k miles I thought LPG destroys car engines. Due to high temperature inside the engine. Awesome video dude

Great review. Great explanation of the stupidity of the green movement and our government 4:58 PMSL bloody diesels and the crap they spew into the air plus the maintenance! The only issue(for me) with ecolpi sedan was the tank in the boot and spare tyre compromise no probs in the ute.

It is quite a shame that LPG is not as widespread in Canada, rest alone doing a conversion for bi-fuel (gasoline and LPG) with qualified technicians, unless it is for fleet customers. On similar topic, you may also have heard of a Toyota Crown Comfort taxi in Hong Kong livery in Toronto, and yup it is a LPG.

Greenies want us driving horse and cart then tax the horse for farting

Agreed on all points, man. Great stuff. Thanks for the excellent videos on these Falcons. I want one so much.

Bang on Ross, your best video.

The fg mk11 xr6 ecolpi ute came with an lsd. Brought one new in 2013 and still going strong today. 650km to tank and heaps of fun to drive.

Absolutely love my Ecolpi I've put 100k on it since owning it in the last 6 years nothing has ever gone wrong with it. Costs cheaper than your mums Corolla fill up :)

The LPi system was supplied by Orbital from Western Australia, just so's ya know.

I drive an lpg FG Mk1 xr6 ute every day, drives great and is very cheap to run. Like you said, it doesn't have the power of the petrol barra but is still a great daily.

I was watching an old video on your channel and it’s the blue fgx with red seats. You said you don’t get the best sound from the barras if you want a good deep sound this is what I have done with the cars I knew I was keeping over 5 years. Get a good set of extractors and find someone that can wrap them properly and neatly with heat bandages. Then find a stainless custom exhaust shop to do a 3,5” up to 500rwhp and 4.0” 500rwhp up to 1000whp and get the 3mm thick stainless I think it is its thicker than the pre made exhausts you can buy and fit yourself. You’ll also have to get hi-flow cat and muffler and have the exhaust mandrel bent and you won’t believe how much throatier it sounds but I wouldn’t do this unless you are going to keep the car. I had a friend that owns a exhaust shop fit this design to my LX torana V8 and everyone kept asking where I got my exhaust done and he got lots of older cars getting their exhaust done by him and then I sold that car. I bought a VS Holden V8 Ute and it had a bit of mods done to engine and decent sound from the exhaust but I got my mate to fit same design exhaust as I’m saying for nice quality sounding exhaust but I told him he had to get a sticker and big enough for people to see on the back window. After everything was done and sticker was put on the window the first time out cruising on the Gold Coast he had 30 cars pull in and asked for the same exhaust I had on my car. He said he couldn’t do the exact same because I had been given some custom made mufflers from race car driver that got them from one of the V8 Supercars. He said it was the funniest when guys in ford V8 would go into his shop and ask if he could get their car to sound the same. He would say firstly you’ll have to sell your ford and buy a Holden V8 and they would say not a chance and he would laugh and say ok I can get yours to sound like this and he would start his falcon and they would say yes that sounds awesome. He would tell them holdens and fords don’t sound the same ever. Back then in the 90’s 2000 it would cost between $2,5k to $3,5k to have everything done depending on what tips and type of vehicle. I don’t know what it would cost now because I haven’t been to an exhaust shop to get a quote but I think it’s going to be around the $5k for V8 extractors bandage and thicker stainless tubing cats and mufflers and some nice design tips

Where in Melbourne was this filmed Jon? Love to have that car in a Ute form. $170 to fill up with diesel here in Melbourne once a week kills the pocket. I also find it odd that car manufacturers do not produce more LPG cars.

i have a FG ute. 350k on the clock it is the best car i've ever had. It's bulletproof.

good point with wondering why gas isn't a modern thing your right though it actually produces less emissions and cheaper so people would be saving money and actually "saving the environment" but they'd rather electric cars which cost a fortune to buy and if something goes wrong up for even more cash all a scam..

So sad.... Australia produced alot of great cars...Ford and Holden should still be manufacturing....imagine what a 2022 l Ford and Holden would be like......so much money was wasted by our government....that money could have gone towards keeping the car industry alive.....

Hi Ross, love your videos mate, take care, hope you have a great Christmas 🎄

It took my mate 2 years to sell his dedicated LPG FGX XR6, as no one would buy

A lot of comments "It’s getting harder to find LPG." Can you change the tanks in the car for those in forklift trucks ? The you could get them delivered to your home or work? and change them your self. Just my thought!

I remember about 15 years ago in perth i had a lpg van and fuel was like 30-50 cents, now its 1.20. And some time ago there was a shortage of lpg and no one had it, something to do with supply chain being disrupted. Then for the last 9 years i have been using a xr8 as a daily and when premium was around $1.30 it was fine but now with the prices up so much more i had to sell it off as my driving had gotten more and it was no longer acceptable to throw so much money away on fuel.

Depending where you fill up and what time of the year, summer or winter the ratio of Propane=power and butane = economy is different so performance alters..

My pop still has a BF XT with dedicated gas, got it new with that government rebate in 2006

why are manufacturers messing with other things left right and centre when CLEARLY the future is LPG?

Fuel is easy to work out guys. If we just use ford combined figures- Fuel prices per litre November 2023 W.A Turbo ute 12.5 L/100km @ $1.70 = $21.25 Non Turbo 10.7 L/100km @ $1.70 = $17.85 Gas epi ute 13.5 L/100km @ $1.30 = $17.55 Ford ranger diesel 9L /100km @ $1.86= $16.74

My FGX Eco/Lpi ute (which isn't for sale) has the LSD from factory. Maybe it changed with the FGX model. Terrific vehicle, heaps of power and cheap as small hatch to run.

Why does this not have a green top motor in it. Or has the owner changed it. Awesome video man love the falcon content.

Hello Mr Ross love your videos buddy. I think lpg for tandoori oven not car

the ecoboost and ecolpi were the best part of the late falcon

the only thing going for those late model barra lpg cars is the fact its the same motor as the xr6t and turbo models just without the manifolds etc other then that lpg cars a waste of time, space and clog up the second hand car market.

LPG vehicles are the most environmentally friendly you can get. Electric vehicles are NOT.

Yes I don't know why they couldn't have stuck to this formula & really hammered it out there to the masses which the dummies didn't hardly anyone even knew about them man,cheaper to run than the petrol models well right now they are,Lpg emits much lower emissions than diesel & petrol,a full tank will get you to just about wherever you need to go,unlike an EV 5 stops just to get from Sydney to Melbourne & that's if you can find a charging station lol absolute rubbish & no I haven't done that trip but it's pretty spot on I'd say,I hate EV's with a passion as you can tell Johnny haha & I'd rather one of these any day over that junk,ok may the mighty Barra live on forever & I loved this review cheers Bro.

Cheers ross just gota lpg bfwagon. Not fast but nice cruiser kip n the back.

This car is bloody good!

Hope the lpg works. My bf 2010 bro its few probs. But do like it haft to now. Thanks

I e got a BA Ute wth 500000 k’s on gas, motor/trans/diff never been touched!

shouldnt be suprising that it makes more power considering lpg has a higher ron around 110-120 ron making it pretty good for boost aswell

The biggest main difference between them however was peak power did differ noticeably EcoLpi had peak power at 5000rpm Petrol grey top had peak power at 6000rpm in comparison. Both had peak torque at 3250rpm funny enough 95RON produced the same power as LPG (198kw/409nm), 98RON in a petrol had no official claim on even more performance, really if you own a n/a anything more than 95RON you're wasting your money. The EcoLpi was a brilliant engine regardless. I have no doubt that it burns a lot cleaner than petrol ! Only reason i didn't buy an EcoLpi G6E (FG2) or even XR6 (FG2) was because unlike the turbo 6 & petrol 6 which have the same higher performance oriented suspension, the EcoLpi had the XT base suspension basically. Softer & more boat like

Not sure about the sedans but my xr6 eco lpi ute is factory optioned with an LSD and its the stronger m86 unit as fitted to the xr6 turbo and xr8's. Peak power is made 1000rpm lower in the eco lpi. I recall watching a video from ford when they released the fgx range claiming the eco lpi will out run the xr6 turbo in a 100m sprint before being left behind kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7aVqrJ1ytLNcoE.html. I can definitely attest that mine feels punchier then the petrol down low but runs out of puff in the last 1000rpm or so. I am not a fan of the old egas falcons but i cannot fault the eco lpi at all

Strongest engines the Lpg Falcons that's why they where Taxis million km engines.

Too hard to get LPG in WA. Hardly any stations have it anymore otherwise I’d buy one

Lpg issues suk bro. Pricey n lota mechanics dont know much. Mines great on savings. Mine runs great but can stall anytime. That sux. Cheers

is tuning capable on these LPG barras? dumb question i know

I want this engine in my ef falcon with the lpg

Gota bf wagon. Def faster to 100.

I’d be curious as to which American cars these NA Falcons most remind you of: Taurus SHO? Crown Vic? 2000’s-era Charger? (I’m an Australian, but I’m sure Americans would love to get some kind of reference too!)

Get the wagon 100ltr tank gets me 900kms

When the dream's big enough facts don't count. People prefer to complain rather than do some research 🤦🙂

this looks like a killer daily

I get more ks than this car on my ford falcon bf mk3 wagon I get over 800 kilometres in a full tank and my gas tank is way bigger and its a wagon and its tucked in underneath and it gets the job done and its a great ute

Because manufactures were told no more lpg in ten years! So they dropped them! No gas no go!

I own an 2012 Mk2 Fg Ecolpi XT and I absolutely love it, just wondering if my xt would have different gear ratios to an xr6 so would my car go quicker 0-100?,

Is LPG even worth getting a turbo? I have a straight LPG fg and not sure weather it’s worth getting a turbo put on or not because it’s straight LPG

you cant blame the greens on the fact that there's no more falcons being built in Aus, that's Tony Abbott's doing

i do 400klms a week on gas in a magna wagon , iis not 80 c a litre here in the bush

Nice colour

I think LPG is dying out I don't think k service stations sell LPG much anymore so these cars will struggle. But they are cleaner cars.

That lpg motor had higher compression pistons running a bit over 12.1 comp

Bad review! No research on how green lpg is? No information on tax component which is a fraction of petrol/diesel? You didn't comment on the govt subsidy and why it was dropped? No info on Australian gas reserved and how we export it rather than growing our economy. So much more to say but l Recommend you lift your game and research more on your subject. 0 to 100 is a fraction of what lpg is all about? Yep colour was nice !!!

My dad had the same xr6 but with out the lpg

green top barras are better than petrol ones, they have a higher compression ratio