What Happened to TWO-FACE? The Lost Batman Movie Explained

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2 жыл бұрын

Two-Face is top-tier in Batman's rogues gallery. But we have no idea what happened to him after "Batman: The Animated Series"...or, do we? Was there, in fact, a cancelled Two-Face animated movie? (The answer is yes.)
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@dcauwatchtower Жыл бұрын

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@shawnwarrynn8609 Жыл бұрын

So Harvey apparently had Three fiancées and was in an affair with his latest fiancé's sister.

@Ultriac301 9 ай бұрын

The Two-Face story from Black & White with the twin sisters was published in the recently released The Batman Adventures Omnibus. Canonicity confirmed?

@toganium4175 2 жыл бұрын

The scene of Harvey losing his coin and freaking out because of it still gets to me to this very day.

@Xehanort10 2 жыл бұрын

Especially "I HAVE TO HAVE IT."

@puterboy2 2 жыл бұрын

Batman Forever handled it with a far tragic result: Batman had to kill his friend.

@Xehanort10 2 жыл бұрын

@@puterboy2 It wasn't tragic in Forever though since Bruce and Harvey were never established as friends in that film and Tommy Lee Jones was ripping off Jack Nicholson's Joker rather than playing Two Face.

@puterboy2 2 жыл бұрын

@@Xehanort10 But he did say “you’ve always been a good friend,” before flipping the coin.

@thedefinitionisthis 2 жыл бұрын

@@puterboy2 Show, don't tell. Their friendship wasn't mentioned until the end of the movie. Otherwise, the movie didn't go to any lengths to show Bruce having any kind of close friendship with Harvey. Nor did we actually see Bruce/Batman showing any sort of remorse over what happened to him. It also doesn't help that Harvey wasn't portrayed very sympathetically. He really was just a Joker knock-off, trying to keep up with the manic Riddler.

@clintbarke4737 2 жыл бұрын

What would have been interesting is further exploration of Harvey's THIRD personality, The Judge.

@Alleycat20507 3 ай бұрын

There is a comic that further delves into the judge personality. It ends up with Batman rescuing Harvey after he tries to end his life and telling him that it’s going to get better

@Alleycat20507 3 ай бұрын

The title is Gotham adventures 12 for anyone interested. You learn some interesting tidbits about Dent, like he is a Air Force veteran for example

@clintbarke4737 3 ай бұрын

Would have been cool if somehow in Harvey's head The Judge somehow kills "Big Bad Harve" and merges with Harvey. Not only would Harvey be cured of his evil personality, but possibly becomes a crime fighter. Naturally, he would agree to Batman's no kill rule. Maybe Grace would even take him back, since she knows for certain his evil side won't return.

@leezhengjie6958 2 жыл бұрын

One thing I don't like about Harvey in the stories is that the writer also write him as a villain and NOT a good and bad guy trap in one body. So everytime two face is a side villain, he ends up being no different to a mob boss who likes fairness. Two face should be a villain where half the time, Harvey is morally conflicted and would try to help batman stop two face. Not two face being an antagonist 100% of his and Harvey's screentime

@KairuHakubi Жыл бұрын

and in fairness, batman is all ABOUT villains who self-sabotage.

@mesiagamer5217 Жыл бұрын

Let's not forget the coin isn't a fifty fifty due to the scratch marks.

@KairuHakubi Жыл бұрын

@@mesiagamer5217 I never thought of it before, the gouges would make it land scratches-up often. On top of that I never really considered but, the numismatists don't specifically try to ensure both sides of a coin weight the same, do they? it's not really on their list... so his double-headed 'cheater' coin representing 'making his own luck' was probably more fair than a normal one. all it would require is a mark on one side...

@DSan-kl2yc Жыл бұрын

I mostly agree with you, minus the moral conflict. Guess it's just phrasing. The coin decides so there's no conflict..but basically he's an anti hero, and anti-villain rolled up in one. He's also damn brilliant. Like you said, a bad story has him acting like an average mob when he's insanely good at planning.

@ironmaster6496 11 ай бұрын

Strongly agreed, that's something that even this series failed to deliver

@scrudge5352 2 жыл бұрын

I think the question of "how much of Two-Face's body is burnt?" Is always just gonna be one of those things where the design comes first and the logic comes second. I remember playing Arkham City and in Two-Face's audio logs he recounts the classic Two-Face origin of "a mobster in a court room threw a tiny bottle of acid at me." When like, you can see his entire left arm has been completely burned, just as badly as his face. And in concept art, you can see his entire leg has been burned too.

@ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe there is an off camera event where after Harvey gets acid burned in court, he takes steps to make the rest of his body match the original burns.

@slykilla1593 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In that would be an awesome dark story, it could show him burning the rest of his body after the acid attack

@chrischiu-tabet9462 2 жыл бұрын

I think Two-Face's appearance is always going to be something you just have to suspend your disbelief over, as the alternative is always too gruesome for young and sensitive fans; even Nolan, the guy obsessed with a realistic Batman, had Dent look like the Terminator because a realistically burned person would've been distracting.

@ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In 2 жыл бұрын

@@slykilla1593 thanks man. Yeah that would be really dark, maybe darker than dark deco.

@birdiec 2 жыл бұрын

It was *really* strong acid

@PhantomObserver 2 жыл бұрын

I have to admit, I’m more familiar with the Two of.a Kind story than the other one. I think it’s a stronger story, but if it were to come out animated I’d pair it with the Scarecrow story where Jonathan Crane returns to college as a teacher and has to deal with a student who abused his girlfriend.

@nicholasbarr3862 2 жыл бұрын

Never heard of the Scarecrow one. Is it any good?

@PhantomObserver 2 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasbarr3862 It's not spectacular, but it comes out okay. A rare point is the relationship between Crane and the girlfriend; the writer could've made it creepy, but it turns out more paternalistic.

@eastonenroth2366 Жыл бұрын

What’s the story called?

@TrillgataQ Жыл бұрын

@@eastonenroth2366 "Study Hall" from The Batman Animated Adventures

@Longshanks1690 2 жыл бұрын

“That’s why we can’t do a BTAS complete timeline because of stuff like this!” In fairness to Timm, Dini and the other writers, I don’t think they imaged a group of nerds 20 years later would want to meticulously document all the events of their world in a neat, chronological order and so long as every episode/issue didn’t conflict with anything else in their recent memory, they were good. 😂

@dcauwatchtower 2 жыл бұрын

You’re absolutely correct. But we’re tryin’!

@Longshanks1690 2 жыл бұрын

@@dcauwatchtower And we wouldn’t have it any other way. 🥰

@kendrickfisher9319 2 жыл бұрын

My ocd goes crazy because of this. I'm not a nerd just a huge fan who hates things not being organized

@BigJonB36 Жыл бұрын

What bugged me in the canon storyline was in the last episode of New Batman Adventures, Joker said it was his and Bats' seven year anniversary (the episode where Harley successfully defeated Bats and Joker went psycho--even by his standards). No matter how you parse the timeline, there's no way that's possible

@RoosterMontgomery 4 ай бұрын

That's that thing! Timm and his crew were a group of nerds creating content for nerds. I gather they knew what they were doing because Batman '89 changed everything and they wanted BTAS to have that same staying power. But as with any cartoon, continuity is always the first victim.

@TheWilkReport 2 жыл бұрын

'Two of a Kind' is my favorite, since it delves into Harvey Dent's struggles to overcome his split personality only to be pulled apart again by a set of twins who are basically a female version of himself in two separate bodies. It's just appropriate for the character within the BtAS universe. Still, 'Two Timer' might have its place somewhere in continuity as one of Harvey's many false starts on the road to ultimate redemption.

@snakezase2998 2 жыл бұрын

Why not both?

@TrumbullComic 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think there's anything incompatible in these stories. The events of "Second Chance" happen. Harvey goes back to Arkham. He makes progress, and they're planning to have his restorative surgery once again. The Joker plays his mind games with Harvey in "Two-Timer," Grace ends her relationship with Harvey, and Harvey goes back into Arkham. Harvey again makes progress, and as he's now a single man once again, he's free to begin a relationship with his plastic surgeon Dr. Marilyn Crane. (Even though a doctor getting romantic with someone she's treating is a really, REALLY bad idea). Harvey has the surgery. He's released from Arkham, and the events of "Two of a Kind" occur. Harvey relapses -- Possibly even worse than before -- and he's now in the condition we see him in for the revamp episodes. (My personal feeling is that after the additional damage he does to his face in "Two of a Kind," Harvey's disfigurement is now beyond the ability of plastic surgery to repair, but that's just my headcanon.) And, when you factor in his last BTAS episode, "Judgment Day," he's now developed an ADDITIONAL personality to contend with. So yeah, despite incremental progress and isolated moments where it looks like he'll make a full physical and mental recovery, Harvey just gets worse and worse over time. One step forward, two steps back. :)

@dcauwatchtower 2 жыл бұрын

I think that works very well!

@SerumLake 2 жыл бұрын

@@dcauwatchtower the only thing I'd change is shift "Two Timer" to taking place before "Second Chance" to explain why Grace wasn't there when Harvey went for his facial surgery. It's such a minor point, but I would imagine that, as his fiancee, she'd want to be there while he was being operated on.

@lautarohernandez4998 2 жыл бұрын

Well, this goes into my headcanon from now on for sure. Thank you!

@aidanklobuchar1798 2 жыл бұрын

@@SerumLake This is more or less what I thought of while watching the video too. I guess Harvey really likes to _double back_ on any progress he makes.

@TrumbullComic 2 жыл бұрын

@@SerumLake "The only thing I'd change is shift 'Two Timer' to taking place before 'Second Chance' to explain why Grace wasn't there when Harvey went for his facial surgery." It's certainly possible. I prefer to keep it simpler, since "Second Chance" aired in September 1994, about a year before "Two-Timer" was published in 1995 (although if Paul Dini pitched it as a DTV movie, he must've come up with the plot at least two years earlier). YMMV. There are any number of reasons why Grace might not be there when Harvey's reconstructive surgery in "Second Chance" is happening. Maybe the operation is happening late at night because Harvey wanted to surprise Grace, or maybe she was too nervous to be there. Either one of those explanations is plausible to me.

@insouciantFox 2 жыл бұрын

You know you're a BtAS fan when you think of the same "Harvey.... Nooooo" joke at the same time at 11:30.

@MichaelBurmy 2 жыл бұрын

I've always liked "Two-Timer" as the follow-up...because when you look at it, it's "Othello." (Two-Face is Othello, Joker is Iago, Grace is Desdemona, Bruce is Cassio, and Harley is Emilia) So it could get its proper recognition from Shakespearean scholars as well.

@davidbjacobs3598 5 ай бұрын

Was looking for this comment. Recognized it instantly. And I gotta say, adapting Othello as a Two-Face story is kinda brilliant. (And yeah, OF COURSE Joker is Iago!) It's too bad they never made it into an episode.

@sammylane21 2 жыл бұрын

I've always loved how Victor Freeze's voice actor sounded like, like a distant muffled voice.

@stw3art14 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like Two of a Kind could work incredibly well as an episode in the upcoming Batman: Caped Crusader show, as it has the darker tone the show will possibly have

@justyouraveragejoe9454 2 жыл бұрын

I really like the idea of all of these being in the main canon. Harvey is shown with four main love interests in the extended timeline (Ivy, Grace, Marylyn, Madeline). Two of them good, honest people who want Harvey to live his best life; two of them rotten to the core and trying to bring him down (one literally by trying to kill him). Good and bad, double or nothing. Harvey gets involved with Marylyn after Grace moves on with her life, and Grace's prediction that the other guy will always come back is proven right after the coal incident. (Sidenote, if I were writing this story I would have Harvey track down the same chemical substance from the factory, light a match, and pour the flaming substance across half his body. It's much more methodical, disturbing, and unsettling.) Then when he actually gets the cure and moves to LA, it's his second time getting cured, and it finally sticks. Another example of double or nothing. You can even tie in his scenes with Judgement Day and Fatal Five. The encounter with the Judge is the inciting incident that manages to push Harvey back over the edge onto the good side. In Fatal Five he befriends Starboy in Arkham and is shown trying to keep his anger under control. Even Big Bad Harv seems a lot softer. If you want to go really dark with this story, you could say that the Judge killed Big Bad Harv inside their own mind world. This could be an interesting story in and of itself with Harvey having a trial in a fantasy world he creates where he convinces the Judge to shut up and let him take the reins again. That explains how he gets to the point where he's able to move to LA and live his final years in peace.

@ETH5626 2 жыл бұрын

Well I refuse to see that Toyfare fate as his canonical fate. There is no way he managed to move to LA to become a movie studio lawyer with such a criminal background. Frankly, it's more likely that he never got to be redeemed at all. Poor guy probably died but that's my theory until there's a legitimate story on what really became of Dent and not some Made up piss poor explanation.

@Shawnathon_gayskin_the_seaman Жыл бұрын

@@ETH5626it’s LA they don’t care

@Champsr0ck2247 Жыл бұрын

@@ETH5626 This is still the same world where Lex Luthor, after all his crimes became public knowledge and was publically one of the League's villain, still became the President of the United States. Becoming an LA lawyer feels easier.

@tracebaker 2 жыл бұрын

As far as which would be a better animated movie I'd say "Two of a kind" the darker story seems better fit for a movie, as far as canon goes I think it's a little too dark for the DCAU and that "Two Timer" fits better taking place after "Second Chance". "Two Timer" would also have made a great episode in the series.

@handymanhand4091 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly the “Two-Timer” series is better because it gives closure to Grace’s character

@refreey Жыл бұрын

Looks like the TWO face movie was TOO long TO be turned inTO a movie.

@matthewledbetter7818 2 жыл бұрын

You should draw a character model for Two-Face based on the Two of a Kind story. Like with burned flesh colors instead of blue skin. Could be a cool alternate timeline design.

@TrippleBPlays 2 жыл бұрын

Two-Face is one of my favorite Batman villains. I binged all of his episodes today. Thanks for this video!

@xmclovn1114 2 жыл бұрын

How many times have you heard big bad Harv

@TrippleBPlays 2 жыл бұрын

@@xmclovn1114 A lot. LOL.

@kuramayoko23 2 жыл бұрын

Until Ra's Al Ghul, Two-Face was my favorite villain. Still ranks pretty high up there too. I even taught myself how to flip a coin like he does. I don't know how many times I watched him flip his coin. Whenever a coin needs to be flipped, family and friends give it to me. I remember watching Batman Forever for the first time (also one of the few times I was allowed to watch a PG-13 movie when I wasn't 13 was when it was a Batman movie, except my mom would NOT let me see Batman Returns) and being a little ticked off that his coin flipping was "not what it should be." What can I say? I was a kid in elementary school who had a Batman obsession like no one's business. It was silly looking back on it.

@jeremykrause153 Жыл бұрын

It’s sad he didn’t have more episodes as the main villain. He always seemed to have to share the spotlight with another villain in his episodes.

@nimrod_norm9763 2 жыл бұрын

I love that this video was 22:22 and I would like to see two of a kind animated as a more dark story in the dcau and I have been telling people for years how much better this two face is in the dark Knight one and I think from now on I'll just show them this video after the episode Two-Face of course

@MrSpade5150 Жыл бұрын

I was wondering when someone was going to mention that

@willO1674 Жыл бұрын

Ya the Dark knight completely messed up Harvey's character

@freeradiomars 2 жыл бұрын

I just think Two of a Kind is a better story. It's more well rounded AND it's more iconic. The "motion comic" is solid, but I'd love to see it get the full treatment.

@TrippleBPlays 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video again. I never knew about these awesome Two-Face stories. To answer your question I think I would like to see "Two of A Kind" animated a little more. Happy Twosday!!!

@patriciomendoza19 2 жыл бұрын

"Two-Timer" I think better fits since it doesn't involve Two-Face going through with the surgery which will explain why his appearance is more consistent going into the New Adventures. But man I'd love to see a fully Animated "Two of a Kind."

@low-keydrama1260 2 жыл бұрын

Two Timer would’ve had a real sad ending for Two Face. Grace sees him irredeemable and cuts him off permanently and while I feel that Bruce would’ve forgiven him and tries to reach out, Harvey probably cut him off because he felt so ashamed he hurt his best friend

@nicksorenson940 2 жыл бұрын

A video all about Two-Face uploaded on 2/22/2022 with what I'm sure was an intentional runtime of 22:22. To be honest I was expecting there to be another livestream today, but this is just *TWO* perfect.

@Ted-Kendrick 2 жыл бұрын

I TWOk the day off from streaming!

@nicksorenson940 2 жыл бұрын

@@Ted-Kendrick No problem. I'll look forward to joining the next one.

@djkrueger1595 2 жыл бұрын

As much as I love Bruce Timm's Black and White story.. I feel like "Two-Timer" was the one that happened shortly after "Second Chance" because if I'm not mistaken in that issue, Batman realizes his friend Harvey is gone and by the next time we see Batman and Two-Face in TNBA Bats doesn't call him Harvey anymore. He's just Two-Face. Also, I'd LOVE to see Two Timer made into animated form. It deserves more love.

@DIYisntDead 2 жыл бұрын

This would also be in line with the classic themes in btas where villians would be brought to thw light but fall back into their old ways. I would prefer 2 of the kind. But I think if the other was animated in a movie format, there could be a lot of really cool interactions with Bruce and Harvey, and even more of he realized Bruce and Dick were Batman and Robin. It would totally fuel the delusion Bruce wanted Harvey locked up.

@DigitalLeonardo 2 жыл бұрын

Two-Timer I think would be such a fun episode too watch. It slides a lot better into the actual show, at least in my opinion.

@LowellLucasJr. 2 жыл бұрын

I read that brilliant Two-Face story( 2 of a kind) and even though her name isn't 'Grace', I like to think it was...and we just learned of her twin sister! Felt like a perfect 40s drama/soap-opera and I just ate it up! 🍿

@kamranshah8804 Жыл бұрын

two-face's ultimate fate in batman beyond was never explained, but in a deleted scene of the return of the joker, when bruce returned to the abandoned arkham to find clues about the joker's return, there he saw two-face's former cell where half of the padding was torn of the wall, that it gave bruce chills. like it was implied that whatever the ending of two-face's story was wasn't a good ending.

@lightdanger 2 жыл бұрын

The one with Grace fits better since it includes more of the preexisting character.

@joshuahathaway6510 2 жыл бұрын

In the spirit of Two-Face, why not have both get the animation treatment! But in all seriousness, I think that "Two of a Kind" is a unique story about the character that would be an interesting short film, especially with quality voice acting. The scene with the fireplace would be horrific in the best way possible!

@AlienIOIandroktone 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see an adaptation merging the 2. Both seem a bit light on plot for a movie, but if you tied in a reconstructive surgery into the Grace story, and had him leave her for the M sister during, I think you could make a good Dini/Timm merger

@ahsanvirk130 2 жыл бұрын

Damn, really hope "Two of a kind" gets made into a movie, it would be a worthwhile addition to the series, as well as the darkest entry into the franchise

@marvellousm 2 жыл бұрын

Two of a Kind sounds like a much more interesting story, not to mention far more fitting of the tragic nature of Two Face's life.

@ITCamefromthePage 2 жыл бұрын

Two of a kind is a WAAAAY more interesting story but I feel like the thematic elements do kinda push it away from being DCAU canon (in so much as canon matters), but of the two I vastly prefer it.

@Anthony-sp6fk 2 жыл бұрын

Two of a Kind sounds far more interesting overall and I think delving further into Two-Face's psyche and how he truly does want to get better but gets drawn back to his obsession with duality is far more compelling than the relatively more basic story of Two Timer

@SerumLake 2 жыл бұрын

Two Face is my favourite BTAS villain (although Clayface had the biggest impact on me mentally - wasn’t expecting to see THAT scene in this video!!!!) and in my headcanon Two Timer takes place before Second Chance (otherwise Grace would’ve been at the hospital while Harvey was getting his face fixed) and Two of a Kind takes place afterwards. If only one could be animated I’d go with Two of a Kind because it’s a good sad story, and there ain’t much better than Sad Batman™️ stories! I really did enjoy his cameo in Justice League Vs The Fatal Five as well. Poor Harvey, still locked away in Arkham after all those years…

@AussieDragoon 2 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna call little kid you "Sweet Baby James", regardless of what your childhood temperament may have been. As for the question, I think I like Two of a Kind a a sequel and the BaRA comics as a midquel between Two-Face and Second Chance since we go a long time not seeing Harvey (noooooo) in the series proper so it helps fill in some holes. Then Two of a Kind is the definitive "Why Harvey is even more villainy in TNBA" connecting story. Sorry, Tim, if Harvey was less good at sex, your Dad may still be alive.

@treywright1238 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly,it works out well for Harvey to have TWO potential cannons if you think bout it XS

@treywright1238 2 жыл бұрын

*XD

@11naylor 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see Two of a Kind animated because its much darker for the show and there's a large amount of progression for Two-Face's character in that he loses a 2nd love. No matter what he does he can never be happy. I've always seen Harvey as a fallen hero.

@BlueSpams 2 жыл бұрын

The first story is fantastic and fantastically dark. I honestly consider it canon to the DCAU because let’s be real, the show did heavily imply a lot of the darker stuff. But couldn’t really show it because, you know, kids stuff.

@MasterOfTheLemons 2 жыл бұрын

12:40 is such a LAYERED series of jokes in just two seconds lol, I'm DEAD. You guys just get better with every video, I LOVE your channel! Also you're heroes for incorporating twos into every element of this upload, seriously that made this all so much better

@rebek18 2 жыл бұрын

Just started watching your videos, your editing and attention to DC details and quotes, and your presentation is amazing!

@dcauwatchtower 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@ZoraCatone Жыл бұрын

It's simple. Two -Timer is before Second Chance and Two of a Kind is after.

@jacktoma21 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to see Harvey and Grace’s story got some form of a conclusion. It always bothered me that she never shows up or is brought up in the show after the two part origin episode.

@Cwibacca 11 ай бұрын

This video showed up in my recommendations and, I'm glad because it's amazing. Subscribed.

@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley 2 жыл бұрын

'Two Timer' is like a classic good BTAS episode, it follows the structure and it would have been great as that, but it definitely would have needed a bit more polish to make it into a movie. 'Two of a Kind', in the other hand, it's one of my favorite Batman comics of all time, every read feels like that first time I got my hands on it back when I was a kid, possibly the most Two-Face story there is besides the ones that tell his origin. So I gotta say my bias points towards 'Two of a Kind' as the better story, the motion comic is excellent, but one of my dreams has always been to see this story adapted into a movie somehow.

@steelydyl 2 жыл бұрын

FOR THE CONTEST!!! I think i'd prefer Dini's animated, can't picture Harvey's self-mutilation animated in the dcau style, feels wrong

@Vilivagod2 2 жыл бұрын

They always say, "What happened to Two-Face?" but never "How is happened to Two Face?" because that would be weird

@dcauwatchtower 2 жыл бұрын

Look out for our Poison Ivy video in the coming months… 👀

@Eric_1991 2 жыл бұрын

I was expecting Two of a Kind to have the Dark Knight Returns twist where after he got his face fixed, Harvey’s mentality was so shot that he saw his entire face was scarred. This was just as good if not better

@beatlesfansam 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. I became aware of "Two of A Kind" a few years ago through the motion comic, and enjoyed it. I hadn't been aware of "Two Timer", but definitely plan to read it. Of the two, I'd probably rather see "Two Timer" made into an animated movie.

@Daviasio 2 жыл бұрын

Two of a Kind definitely feels like a more compelling Two-Face story to me so we’ll go with that one. But that’s mostly cause we focus more on Two-Face and Harvey than Batman

@legoben98productions 2 жыл бұрын

Where’s what I could think of it in a chronological order “second chance”, “Two timer”, then “two of a kind”. Or two timer, second chance, two of a kind. All could be in continuity for Harvey’s story.

@ConCrusher16 2 жыл бұрын

Make more videos like this! I can't quite explain why as of now but this video was really interesting.

@zetaman3857 2 жыл бұрын

I am loving this style of video. Can’t wait for more.

@TheCrossSoldier 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! Of the these stories, I think I prefer Two of a Kind due to it's more twisted and darker nature. Seeing Harvey giving in and rescarring himself is pretty horrifying. I do have some questions regarding Two-Face's DCAU design though. 1 Why were Two-Face's scarred portions of his body colored blue? Red would be a more logical color. I've theorized that the decision to go with blue scarring could have been the people behind BTAS preemptively censoring themselves since going with a red color would have been too realistic and thus too gruesome due to the censorship they were under, and more realistic body disfigurement would be pushing the envelope too much. 2 Has there ever been an explanation as to why his redesign in TNBA was not as radical as other characters' designs? They were under less censorship at this time, but Two-Face's disfigured portion of his body was still colored blue. It makes me think a red design was still considered too much, or maybe the crew just liked his old BTAS design and decided to not change it too much.

@dcauwatchtower 2 жыл бұрын

Not that we know of! Probably just didn’t require much of a design change into the new art style. I’ve never thought about the blue being a censorship thing, but possibly!

@TrumbullComic 2 жыл бұрын

"...Or maybe the crew just liked his old BTAS design and decided to not change it too much." Yep, I'd say that this was all it was. But if you look at both of the Two-Face designs side by side, they're more different than you might expect at first glance. They definitely went tighter, more angular, and sleeker with it. Same thing with Harley Quinn.

@dcauwatchtower 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they and Clayface are the most “it’s just drawn differently now”

@reidcunningham5906 2 жыл бұрын

Aside from Ras al Ghul, Two-Face is one of my favorite Batman villains

@bagginsfrodos 2 жыл бұрын

So glad you spoke about this absolutely amazing to learn this stuff :)

@LuciferMorningstar-zu1ud 3 ай бұрын

One of the best two-face episodes across all of DC animated shows has to be when two-face is trying to make the judgment on Batman’s fate and his coin keeps landing perfectly balanced every single time;leaving Batman’s fate balanced between the two every time. Speaks volumes. Two-face lost his 💩 but the meaning behind it it is just pure genius!

@RbkARI 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect runtime.

@gormass6183 Жыл бұрын

I find it funny how Two-Face, the character all about split decisions, has two comics that is up to choice whether one is canon or not. I say we flip a coin to find out 😂

@joshgillam5130 2 жыл бұрын

This is a hell of a good video, glad it popped up for me. Subbed

@_racoon_7778 Жыл бұрын

11:32 why did this whisper scream kill me?😂😂😂

@EnerKaizer 2 жыл бұрын

Regarding Dents actuall fate in the DCAU: I've read somewhere that Dent was supposed to become one of the victims of the villain from the canned second Batman Beyond movie besides Riddler and the Mad hatter. Don't know how true this is (and I cannot find the source of this anymore), but it would explain why he never was brought up in Beyond. They might've wanted to not show him until then to surprise longtime viewers.

@dcauwatchtower 2 жыл бұрын

Mostly it was because they were purposely not bringing in old Batman foes, besides Mr. Freeze and eventually Joker (but only because they developed great stories/reasons to use them). But I could see that being the case, a victim of the “Anti-Batman” could’ve been pretty cool!

@ETH5626 2 жыл бұрын

@@dcauwatchtower well Writer Stan Berkowitz originally had plans to bring back Killer Croc for the Batman Beyond show, as reptiles have long-life spans, implying that Croc could still be active after 50 years, but the idea was dropped.

@RagamuffinBabyDoll 2 жыл бұрын

I have never heard of Two of a Kind, but I really like it. It is incredibly depressing and tragic, but the noir aspect is brilliant! I couldn’t help imagining Marilyn and Madeline being played by Bette Davis.

@Gokitalo 2 жыл бұрын

"Two-Timer" is definitely my favorite, and I think one of the best stories Paul Dini wrote for the Adventures comics. That one's always gonna be headcanon for me!

@ericjohnson9623 2 жыл бұрын

I love the Vertigo reference as "Madeleine" there also represented two characters and the duality of someone.

@Anthony-pm5wu 2 жыл бұрын

7:42 I rate Batman's usefulness 0 faces out of 2

@nicolasmontes7207 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, as always you guys! Coincidentally enough, I was recently thinking of the debut issues of "Batman & Robin Adventures". (BTW that run won 3 Eisners consecutively) Given that this thear is the 30th annyversary of BTAS (HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS, WE ARE OLD!!!!!) I emailded DC a few day ago in order to pitch them an idea that I had about doing a celebratory TPB, in the same vein as those that they do like ""Green Arrow: 80 Years of the Emerald Archer", " The Joker: 80 Years of the Clown Prince of Crime", and many others. The idea would be highligting the very best single issues of all 4 BTAS comic books tie-ins volumes My personal selection for this compilatory book would be something like this: Batman Adventures Vol 1 6 (1993) Batman Adventures Vol 1 13 (1993) Batman Adventures Vol 1 15 (1993) Batman Adventures Vol 1 16 (1994) Batman Adventures Vol 1 27 (1994) Batman Adventures Vol 1 33 (1995) The Batman and Robin Adventures Anual 1 (1995) The Batman and Robin Adventures 1 (1995) The Batman and Robin Adventures 2 (1995) The Batman and Robin Adventures 6 (1996) Gotham Adventures 10 (1999) Gotham Adventures 26 (2000) Gotham Adventures 37 (2001) Batman Adventures Vol 2 17 (2004) I calculated that it would be something like 350 pages, so its pefectly doable If possible, I would also add both of BTAS related Black & White stories, "Two of a Kind" (the one mentioned on this video) and "The Bet" written by Paul Dini, art by Ronnie Del Carmen Dindt get an answer by DC though, what about if we all e-mail bomb them?😏 DCPress@dcentertainment.com dcsubs@midtowncomics.com

@timtwoface 2 жыл бұрын

Nice to see the video is 22:22 in length. Well done!

@59rlmccormack 2 жыл бұрын

Edutaining, good friend. Very educational & entertaining…

@DeanIrvine 2 жыл бұрын

While I feel the colour comic suits the style of btas I feel that two of a kind works better for a full length animation especially with the more adult themes and where they have been going with the animated film. But hopefully it would be handled better than the killing joke.

@chimericalical 2 жыл бұрын

I love that Joker did it just to fuck with him, lol.

@seatspud 2 жыл бұрын

It's what he does. Anything for a joke. (Patron saint of internet trolls, after all. Pretty familiar grin he has, eh?)

@felixmckinney7132 6 ай бұрын

Next time anybody asks “Why did you do that?” I’ll just say “Because it’s Tuesday!” No matter what day it is.

@ChouRaiyuki 4 ай бұрын

TBH Dinni's Two Timer helps make Timm's Two Of A Kind make sense; I've never read either but my IMMEDIATE question when you described Two Of A Kind was "what happened to Grace?" and when you slot Two Timer in it answers that question perfectly. Two Timer seems like it works regardless so between the two that one makes more sense to keep but if it's there then Two Of A Kind now works.

@alinplescan7545 2 жыл бұрын

Keeping in line with the Two Face theme :), i think both, but with different tonality. Personally, i would be more interested in a story where Harvey is tangled between romance amd vengeance but a story about him getting revenge on Bruce is also great (maybe make it similar with born again? and make harvey something of a kingpin?) So yeah..this is my answer :)

@Cristopher.C Жыл бұрын

ok but Harvey Dent, can we trust him?

@captainawsomeist 2 жыл бұрын

As always, great job guys! I like Two of a Kind as the progression.

@tobequitefranco 5 ай бұрын

I know they’re two different continuities, but my headcanon for what happened to Harvey by the time of Batman Beyond is that a storyline very similar to The Dark Knight Returns happened, and Harvey now has a singular “perfect” face but he’s all corrupt and living in Arkham….

@GamerSlyRatchet1 2 жыл бұрын

I think I prefer Two-Timer to get the movie treatment. Like you said, the Black and White story already got an "animated" treatment. Plus it would be interesting to see how the plot could get extended, since it honestly feels like a regular episode as it is. But I am glad we got Mask of the Phantasm as the B:TAS film.

@joshberninger8355 2 жыл бұрын

Yea the Two-Timer story sounds like a great story for an episode or 2 parter but doesn’t seem like enough for a movie so I’d be curious to see how they’d fill it out. Honestly I feel a 2 parter would have stretched the story a bit.

@hattoripool1533 2 жыл бұрын

How many cancelled movies did the Dcau have? Cause if that’s the cause how many episodes/ movies where Terry fights the original Batman’s villains where we originally going to get other than that canceled killer croc episode and canceled Catwoman return of the Joker sequel. Was Superman the animated series gonna get a movie?

@TrippleBPlays 2 жыл бұрын

Oh, I never knew that there was a cancelled Killer Croc episode of Batman Beyond. Thanks for the info.

@DrTonyAce Жыл бұрын

Two of a Kind, read it almost 2 decades ago (I'm in my 30's) and never forgot it. I KNEW you were going to talk about that story.

@altoidconor2928 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as always guys!

@altoidconor2928 2 жыл бұрын

As for the question, I’d like two-timer to be adapted but some elements be updated. Like maybe a more deep subplot for why two-face is targeting Bruce. Overall I really like two-face and I hope we get him cured in the comics even if it won’t last past a reboot.

@grahamturner1290 2 жыл бұрын

Superb series. 🦇

@ulyssesveracruz8343 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do a video on what happened to every superheroe on the batman beyond timeline for example flash booster gold shazam the justice league etc What happened to every old batman villans for example riddler scarecrow poison ivy etc in batman beyond What happend to hal jordan and barry allen in the dcau Please

@CCaster2000 2 жыл бұрын

This is something I've always been curious about myself, so here's my ideas for these characters. Shazam: Now an adult, Billy Batson is an experienced superhero who protects his city from the likes of Mr. Mind and his monster society of evil with the newly formed Shazam family. Billy also works as a teacher at an elementary school. Booster Gold: His time being in the past taught Booster Gold a few things about being a hero, so he returned to the future to be the protector he needs to be (but he still doesn't mind being in the spotlight). Flash: Wally West is coming close to retiring from his job as a forensics scientist. He still operates as The Flash but doesn't go out as much as he used to because of age. He married Fire sometime after JLU and they had a child who inherited their father's speed and their mother's fire powers.

@ulyssesveracruz8343 2 жыл бұрын

@@CCaster2000 that some good aftermath ideas but now the question is what happened to the other superheroes that did appear on the dcau timeline

@CCaster2000 2 жыл бұрын

As for Riddler, Scarecrow and Ivy; all three fates were confirmed. Riddler retired from crime and has begun working at a men's clothing store with Mad Hatter. Scarecrow's fate is never mentioned so we can assume he's spending the rest of his life in prison. Poison Ivy actually moved to South America and took over a rain forest and has become part of the forest itself.

@CCaster2000 2 жыл бұрын

@@ulyssesveracruz8343 I don't know. Must've not been confirmed yet. Hal Jordan does indeed exist in the JL/JLU universe but he only makes a physical appearance once. I assume he chose to stay in space and left earth for John and decided to live out his life protecting the galaxy. As for Barry Allen, I don't think he exists in the DCAU, or at least he did but something happened to him?

@ulyssesveracruz8343 2 жыл бұрын

@@CCaster2000 like a crisis ?

@shiromarcelo 2 жыл бұрын

Great videos guys! looking forward to the Poison Ivy video!

@Alleycat20507 3 ай бұрын

12:04 I remember reading this comic. I appreciated the very rare moment of vulnerability that the joker had about “no one ever visiting him”.

@robertportillo3179 2 жыл бұрын

2 of a kind seems like the best story. It makes the better storytelling aspect to me and is the most tragic in my eyes. A movie of it would have been great. Harvy's story is one of the greatest downfalls in batman lore because it takes a man that was devoted to justice and degrades him to a point that his own psyche convinces him that all of his efforts could never make a real change, which embodies any aspect of human history.

@CreweontheSofa 2 жыл бұрын

While both stories are great in their own right, if we're really asking "Which is Canon"... I find myself siding with Timm's arguably more ambiguous Black and White comic... Say what you will about both creators and their stories, but, if we're following the "Tier's of canonicity" which James mentioned back in the first "Will it Canon?" episode (I think), then surely whatever Bruce Timm says goes... right? I mean, The DCAU's other commonly used title IS The TimmVerse... Regardless, great video as always. Edit: 12:46 - We also gonna ignore the fact that Today is Tuesday? Kinda spooky how these things line up...

@Moviespelunker 2 жыл бұрын

I'm reading the title then look at the runtime and I do a very hardy chuckle. Very good very good!

@josephorourke9642 Жыл бұрын

the like comment subscribe was high enough effort to make me, good job!

@thebatcave111 Жыл бұрын

That "Harvey Nooo" gag had me in stitches!!

@victorlazo238 5 ай бұрын

Awesome video man!! I had no idea about these Two Face stories and just how appropiate it is that there are 2 of them! LOL. I personally think WB is loosing money not continuing the BTAS series (just like Disney is reviving the 90s X Men cartoon). They have a lot of stories they can adapt to TV episodes and I'm sure they can come up with many more. Heck, I'd personally would pay extra to see those episodes.

@dcauwatchtower 5 ай бұрын

It'd be a little tough without Kevin Conroy 😓

@victorlazo238 5 ай бұрын

@@dcauwatchtower True that :(

@usernamedkjahstill5003 11 ай бұрын

"Why he still look like that?" made me laugh way too hard!

@rareplayz4821 Жыл бұрын

Fuck that is deep. DC when they’re at their best they absolutely perfect it. That fiancé story is sad. Thank you so much for making these videos for people that hadn’t put the pieces together.

@artichoke873 2 жыл бұрын

Ty Templeton's Time Tower tricks!

@LowellLucasJr. 2 жыл бұрын

2-22-2022- Perfect day for man of absolute 2's! Love me a great Two-Face coverage and thank you all for making this amazing video possible! I look forward to more!... Especially on a certain Pamela Isly! ❤ 🌼

@dcauwatchtower 2 жыл бұрын

(I may or may not be editing it right now…check out our recent tweets if you haven’t!)

@mathieuleader8601 2 жыл бұрын

the cinematic outing for the BTAS Trial episode sounded like fun

@batmanlaserieanimada. 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!! If Grace is not mentioned anymore in "Two of a Kind", then we could set "Two of a Kind" after"Two Timer", although I can see "Two of a Kind" as a non canon story.