demigod lvl

That's cuz Withers be a true G

Larian isn't doing DLC, but that would be cool.

@@MiagolioMaxwell wait really?? not even an expansion???? that's lame

@@QuestionableObject Ah wait, never mind my information was outdated. They previously stated they didn't believe in selling DLC or shipping an incomplete game with BG3, but have since changed their minds on that, wanting to do more. So there is hope.

heh absolute

@@snakekeeper2073I see what you both did there 👀

Indeed. It really is a triumph of the will.

Agreed. I have no desire to do a Durge play through, but watching this ending is beautiful knowing what the Durge is.

Nono the absolute is the brain

Variety is the spice of (un)life!

That they supposedly have no soul is the most stupid part of the mind flayers's lore. And it hinders my enjoyment of the game.

It makes sense and with all things changing, why Jergal would return- Jergal left and gave up his dominion because he was tired and felt there was nothing new, but now? Something changed BEYOND death. Even death is now not immutable- Why would the Lord of Death not seek to return?

@@joemomma2189It's poetic.

Also, his replacements f-ed up really badly by purposely destroying souls. I‘d be miffed, too.

@@ArDeeMee Oh yeah, Jergal has been having a ROUGH, however long the game takes to complete. A few weeks?

yes, this. when he mentioned 'friend', my eyes lit up. Not the hero, not the adventurer part, but friend, not food.

he is Jergal

Definitely Jergal 👍

Ignoring the honor (because that's certain like you said), but what is the significance? He's not one of the mortals-turned-gods; he's older than old and mightier than might. What does it mean when what is essentially a force of nature singles out a mortal and calls them "friend"?

​@@abydosianchulac2 Are you asking as a genuine question or like asking as a means to ponder upon?

It does seem like some strong souls can retain their original identity-The Emperor seems like another case of that.

​@@TheMarcHicksthen that means Baldurain was always a prick 😂

ye, larians will need to explain that in BG4 [or addon] they are definitely planning.

It could also be Orpheus’ power preserved their soul somehow as that wasn’t normal cermophorsis

@@AikoSeayea it could be something unique with Tav’s transformation in some conditions like -Orpheus able to preserve their soul -If you side with the emperor the Astral tadpole has some special property -Plain ol’ protagonist plot armor

Don't forget that Ao is limited to Abeir-Toril and if Jergal has aspects in other crystal spheres, Ao can't touch those.

Jergal was once the God of death, tiranny and murder, and he was probably the strongest God. He literally gift his portfolio to Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul after a game of scissors, paper and rock because he was bored of being this powerful

@@pierluigiruotolo6548 He also was and is the God of Doing All The Paperwork so I think maybe that had a lot to do with it. The Dead 3 ran off with the powers and then didn't do any of the admin work while Jergal took a vacation and now he has to spend the rest of forever cleaning up their messes. Like, who heard of a True Evil entity not doing paperwork?? Bullocks

@@Kat-xy7fm Jergal is like the old dude that needs a break, left the key with three people (off the street) whom he thought would be more responsible, only to be very disappointed and more than a little miff when he realised that these three are not the heroes but the stooges.

Out of all the gods (short of invader deities and draconic pantheon), Jergal has the least reasons to beef with Ao.

And then withers shows up, shames them and calls out how stupid their plan was and basically dismisses all 3 of them as no longer a threat or worth paying attention to. As far as I'm concerned they are now truly the dead 3 because I'd give up on life after that century plus beat down from my own kids and the OG Death god

Except Astarion

@@infinix610 he try to help, not much tho.

Just questioning your life choices.

Except Astarion, who was actually concerned

Yes, although maybe because you killed yourself before your soul finished "ebbing away." And maybe that's why he said you were "flickering." You could have caught it just in time?

Tav killed himself because of his uncured dark urge, defying his father... not for becoming an illithid

See I interpreted this as, "you want to die before losing your soul entirely? mision accomplished."

​@@morgan0__oThis isn't a Dark Urge ending.

@@Bharash "You've butchered so many before - each death a gift to your Father." mhmm, yeah sure buddy

He's the OG god of Death, basically the Grim Reaper. The other Three took over because he stopped caring about his job I think lol, still extremely powerful because I think he has all the power he had as a God

@@rockythesnailracechampion7144 Also, Withers is delightfully petty. If you show up in the epilogue and attack your former companions, he gets upset at you for ruining his party and he therefore banishes you to the shadow realms. It makes sense he does things such as meddling in mortal affairs out of spite as much as he is able to.

A mortal soul is no greater or stronger than the other, no matter whose it is. They all carry the same value on the cosmological scale in this setting.

​@@nojusticenetwork9309interesting; what do you base this on?

@@freakymoejoe2 dude is bullshitting. souls indeed change between size or power. and it depends on their level. not just class level either, but their racial levels and everything. my source; most of the dnd books that explain creation of outsiders like fiend folio. stronger outsiders, say like glabrezu... or balor... or planetar angels, made by multiple souls fusing together... OR very rarely one single very powerful mortal turning into it by own. its explained, the fusing souls level must be equal or greater then the outsider they are fusing into. so... a level 20 adventurer can become a balor by itself. but otherwise, 20 seperate level 1 commoner (classic citizen types) souls must merge to become one.

But the Dark Urge isn't mortal in the strictest sense of the word. Like Gorion's Ward they are a fragment of Bhaal's divine essence. So it might be that the Bhaalspawn's soul is simply too enduring for the transformation to nullify.

​@@Mister-Thirteentechnically all bhaals children would be in that weird category of quasi divine. Not a demigod but in that ill defined just under with saints and other divine weirdness. 😅

I believe so. True Resurrection only needs a piece of the original person and they’ll be returned fully. If you also wear the Ring of Mind Shielding that gets given to you by Omeluum, your soul will be stored into that upon transformation. But it won’t do much sitting in there. Clone and Reincarnation would also work.

@@ThisIsAHandleOrSomething True Resurrection only needs the person's name to be said... and a diamond worth 25,000 gold. Resurrection requires a body part, though.

A person dies fully during ceremorphosis so unless you happen to have a wish/miracle spell, forget it.

Yes. Despite what the game says, ceremorphosis doesn't destroy the original soul. It still goes on to the outer planes to the afterlives. If one uses True Resurrection, Wish, or Miracle and focuses on the person before ceremorphosis, and the soul is willing to return, the deceased can return.

This is the origin story of one of my player characters. An Ullitharid looking to overthrow its Elder Brain leader contacted a Hag to look into the Elder Brain's past self, then performed a cursed Ritual to resurrect the Elder Brain's former self in the hopes that the Elder Brain would cease to exist, it did not work, and now the Elder Brain and who they were in life exist at the same time.

Psst It's not actually the wizard. Try attacking him before speaking.

I'm guessing it's mystra?@@dorkydragon5055

@@dorkydragon5055it’s a construct of the wizard, which is still him just a spell creating his (near) equal.

@@kingofgrim4761 he even melts into a puddle of water when you kill him, which is in line with the 5e simulacrum spell creating a copy of someone out of ice. the elminster you see in game is a simulacrum spell cast by a really powerful wizard (so, elminster himself probably) due to the simulacrum being unrecognizable from him and being really powerful. the simulacrum would also be significantly weaker than himself. which also means that elminster controlled his icy simulacrum to eat your cheese when you invite him to camp. maybe he did it just so that gale would think he is actually there personally on behalf of mystra since yknow it would be nice to tell someone to kill themselves in person at least, and gale would get suspicious if he didn't lunge at your cheese. also, in 5e, casting wish to do anything except duplicate lower level spells has a 33% chance of leaving you unable to ever cast wish again, which is funny if you think about vlaakith getting so mad when you disrespect her that she'd risk never being able to wish again just to do a show of power in front of someone that they're killing anyway. it's also kinda sad that elminster would rather sacrifice gale than risk himself losing the ability to wish. or maybe mystra just doesn't want him to because she's mad at gale. it's also entirely possible that mystra herself cast the simulacrum of elminster in order to deliver the message to gale from a friendly face thinking he might be less likely to agree if she came to him in person, and made him eat your cheese since that's what she thinks elminster would do. there's nothing in the game that would indicate elminster's simulacrum to be created by elminster himself, and perhaps he'd be honest and say that it is a simulacrum if it was himself speaking through it.

The issue with casting Wish on the Orb is that it directly *absorbs* magic. That's why Gale stops needing to eat enchanted artifacts - because Mystra starts feeding it herself. I'd imagine that if the Orb is capable of eating raw magic, it's likely capable of eating a Wish spell's effects too.

If Tav isn't there then Wyll won't suggest Avernus & Karlach will explode, Tav is important as s/he has to make the final call

Same thing happened to me, but my sweetheart Shadowheart stood silently by while Gale shouted out for me to stop. I felt a lot closer to Gale after that.

I think the companion shouting "stop!" is chosen randomly. Similarly to how multiple characters can comment on Astarion fleeing from the Sun, but only one is shown at a time.

I keep reloading to see all their reactions n it seems karlach is the only one who won’t react no matter what

@@Uchiha_Teivankarlach is probably so upset bc she basically begged you to live on since she believes she couldn’t, and now knows she can’t.

I am convinced some of the group call him Granpappy. Karlach learns about her parents living a restful live in what waits beyond, shadowheart learns that her family is under Selune's protection and safe

There's another way - if you take Karlach with you to the Morphic Pool, she'll volunteer to avoid death from her engine failing.

who cares about astral frog empire.. )

@@jdniemand But then that stops Karlach from being able to live, since the new epilogues fixes that.

​@kibuki91 can confirm she does live, visits in Mind Flayer form in the epilogue. Her fave food has changed though

@@MossZ90 but even as illithid Karlach is trying to do “the right thing” by not killing innocents.

Either that or true res is gonna occur, which I’d prefer but would kinda neg the importance of the choice to become illithid to keep Orpheus alive as a rebel. Oh well, idc so long as I keep shadowbae and our house full of animals

No he says tav(our character)will be needed in future

Actually, he said the opposite. He basically said, "I get that you killed yourself and everything, but the world ain't done with you yet."

But for how long?

Simp

​@@destherThat's the big takeaway imo, only reason you get to go to the Fugue Plane is that you died before your last remnants of self were dissolved. If you kept going you would no longer be you

She can pal around with that nice ilithid in the Underdark, all's well!

Karlach is implied to be gone. I forget the term but theirs a quirk of some Mind Flayers that when the turn they retain some part of their host, memories, habits, small quirks. They’re treated like freaks by other Ilithid because they failed to fully consume them. When you encounter “karlach” her emotions are almost gone, she has only the barest memories of what she liked before she turned. She’s unlike your or the Emperor who managed to overpower the Tadpole entirely even after transforming. It’s not like a vampire where it’s functionally the same person, for Mind Flayers it’s the Tadpole piloting the body and your mind was consumed. So for The Emperor to not just remember his life but to remain in complete control just like you a miracle only Withers can truly appreciate.

Or just way for saying that you can start new game with different class/race

Larian cancelled the DLC, they said they'll move back to some other RPG so most likely Divinity 3. Well,whatever they cook, if they crowdfund it I'll drop a penny.

@@mareczek00713 "Cancelled", they already said pre release that they don't really do DLC, and their previous games didn't have any besides definitive editions...

@@pinnacleevolution1634 "Don't really do" is not "they do not", there were discussions hinted at during interviews. Again, it's their decision and game is awesome as it is now, but a bit of shame those characters likely won't return.

@@mareczek00713 What dramabait youtuber gave you this opinion? Larian was never ambiguous about its DLC policy here. They specifically and explicitly noted, very early on, that they were *considering* making DLC but that it was highly unlikely for two principle reasons: 1. Difficulty in balancing past the 12th level in DnD 5E. I can assure you that in tabletop, campaigns are notorious for ripping apart at the seams when a campaign runs past 12th level. A video game that has a philosophy of faithfully recreating fifth-edition DND would have a lot of trouble not just *balancing* but also even simply *incorporating* the implications of many seventh+ level spells. Including a little spell called Wish. 2. It is literally something they don't ever do. Larian has always preferred to make a finished game, maintain it for a few years, then move on to the next. They're just old school like that. The popularity of BG3 did prompt reason to *discuss* shifting direction in policy, but that doesn't indicate an actual shift in policy.

Those are some ingenious methods for reversing cerebromorphosis that you talked about. Thanks for that. Cringe pfp, but great info.

Lol we had to perform brain surgery to get it done, so mostly the “destroy brain and reform it” approach you mentioned but with plenty of skill challenges. Idk if we had 9th level spells yet.

I guess the gist is that the Emperor kept his personality... too bad that personality sucked.

@@leonardorossi998no, his personality was not intact. Before he was the heroic and courageous baldurian, then he became the deceitful and insidious emperor. As soon as he turned he murdered and lobotomized his closest friends without a second thought

@@burgertime6372 What I mean was that his behavior was somewhat emotional for a mind flayer. Even compared to special ones, like Omeluum for example, or even your companions turning into Mind Flayers. Now, it might be a suspicion, but could it be that Balduran wasn't that great of a person in life as well? After all, most of his existence seems to be shrouded in legend. And we don't know who built Grimrock exactly and how much it was in line with Balduran's actual personality.

@@leonardorossi998 extremely unlikely. Balduran was a very close friend to a bronze dragon. A type of dragon that is naturally lawful good and “possess a strong sense of justice and do not tolerate any form of cruelty”.

@@burgertime6372 Well, you can be a prick without being cruel. Just so we are clear: I don't think The Emperor is necessarily evil. He doesn't seem to be ready to do everything for his own gain though. Still, he can be not evil and still be manipulative and self serving. Aka a prick. :P I mean, other Illithid will be cold and calculating, sure. But they won't try to seduce you, or declare themselves your knight in shining armor.

yes

yee thats the end i got

I joined Karlach in Avernus as squid Tav, it was dope.

The answer to the second question is in the prologue during the first cutscene at the helm

still narrator says about baal

I mean, I expect nothing less from a murder hobo.

Nah, he is too lazy. Jaheira/Halsin are only one level away from being able to cast "Reincarnate", though, and since your soul is still yours, it'll totally work. Might get a body of a different race/sex than originally, but hey, at least won't be limited to brain diet! Though I love how Shadowheart tells us that we gained weight and you can reply that giiiirl, brains are very lean, all keto, so stop your BS.

and 4 fingers

They go on the menu and nothing more.

Illithid are described as having ...not a soul but like something akin to one still. More alien in nature. But tav/durge still retains their more planar aligned soul of sorts

@@claptrapp.claptrappington7624 BG3 and Larian got creative. Illithid souls go to Ilsensine (or Maanzecorian, if they worshipped him in life).

>looks at Maanzecorian >looks at Ilsensine Larian got really creative, considering that illithids have actual deities.

@@LordMortanius It could still be okay as long as those deities are from a different plane originally than the rest of them?

@@proudlarry8225 Almost all deities live in planes different from their flock. Ilsensine's realm, the Caverns of Thought, is in the Outlands (along with the Marketplace Eternal, Waukeen's domain), and Maanzecorian's domain, Rictus, is in Gehenna (the same plane as Auril, Bhaal and Velsharoon). They're not the only ones, for the record. The Blood Queen of the aboleths lives in Minauros, Baator, and the Great Mother and Gzemnid of the beholders dell in the Abyss and the Outlands respectively.

@@LordMortaniusOf course, but most of them in this setting were originally from the material plane and ascended. Fiends notwithstanding... like I myself highly doubt Asmodeus was ever not a devil so I can't claim all of them are ascendant. It's just that the plane of Chaos is something the current pantheon all kinda hate, even the gods who are chaotic in nature don't like that place! It's not the same as being chaotic, being FROM chaos.

@@proudlarry8225 It's heavily unlikely that Ilsensine was a mortal (for that matter, illithids are natives to the Material Plane; they originated from the future and went back in time). The Great Mother and Gzemnid were definitely not mortals. The Blood Queen, however, is from the Far Realm.

Did it complete the game or was it a game over? Asking cuz I’m doing honor mode now.

While there is no solid proof of it in game, outside of it, he is referred as such (in game files etc).

@@t0uchme343 wait really?

@@noblesseoblige319 in the official concept art, he's referenced as Jergal, in data mined stuff there was info about him being compelled by Helm to aid the party as penance (the person he refers to at the start when you meet him is probably Helm, going off with this) and his model is called JergalAvatar.

Yeah, I skipped the quest.

Withers says same thing for tav too