LMAO

You bastard LMFAOOO

True, but I still do it anyway.

... and there's nothing wrong with that. :)

"Its a simple trick, yet very effective"

Larian has a habit of commiting major DM sins. They did it a lot in DOS2. They're still good games though.

😂 you made my day shadowknight

​@@Chopstorm. How is this a DM sin?

@@Chopstorm. That is not a DM sin. smh

@@mitchelltyner5670 When you succeed in a roll but still lose because it's needed for the plot? Sounds like a sin to me. It wasn't even so much this example that I was referring to, it happened a lot more in DOS2. Prime example would be in regards to the ship battle with Dallas.

yup, cause in tabletop by the book 20 is always hit only in combat, not in skillckeck BUUT everyone always does it their way so :D

still kind of them to let it have some effect though in the form of softening up the enemy for the future revenge fight

Except it does for everything else in the game (which is a hilariously stupid ruling I might add. There's a reason it never made it into 5e and was voted out of OneDnD). The DM is overruling their own rules at a whim.

That's bullcrap,a critical failure is an automatic fail,dm is cheating

@@goji253 Rule 0 comes to mind. Or Railroading, in some cases.

I didn’t know that’s why it had that

@@RogueCrocodilebecause natural 20 is critical success, so they need to reward you in some way for it. 🤷🏻

@@Norinia wrong, natural 20 exists and it's not critical success. critical success is more of a percentage luck. i can get 20 and not have any critical success.

@@saveborg1091 every single natural 20 I’ve got has been ‘critical success’ in game, I think maybe you blinked on a lower roll before the bonuses were added into the score.

​@saveborg1091 a "Natural 20" refers to the number on the dice before modifiers, and would be considered a "Critical Success" in any scenario where the roll CAN actually crit (which is in all scenarios from my understanding of BG3). IF you get a 20 after applying modifier, that is typically referred to as a "Dirty 20" which is just a normal roll, that happened to be a 20.

The Absolute: "Oh no, not again..."

@@aRandomFox00 Many people have speculated that if we had known exactly why The Absolute was thinking that, we would know a lot more about the universe than we do now.

You magnificent bastards!!! 😂

Sadly the ending was super rushed and i doubt they'll patch a different ending in.

Oh reddit someone posted a wild magic ending where all the main characters were cats and dogs - even through the ending cutscenes.

That's a one in 8000 chance! :O

Played atcuall dnd and have me or friends rolled 5 nat 20a in rows more than once now , and also nat 1s in the same fashion. Sometimes same other dices i once roll 9 17s in a row and was like wtf, started rolling over and over at the 6th 17 just to get it out.

I saw on one of very long rpg campaign warhammer 3 (over 80h) - player got two times 100 (critical failure) in a row while brawling with friend. Broke 2 arms

​@@loko1944Damn, getting crit fails in WFRP always feels like a massive gut punch.

@@CyberPunkBadGuyIf those are physical dice, there’s likely an air pocket somewhere in there causing it to roll unevenly. From my understanding, it’s not an uncommon problem with cheap dice.

"Huge" is subjective. It's 10 percent. Which is a chunk, but tbh I kind of expected something more. As it was I was able to have my main character (Who did the thing with Orpheus, iykyk) and Karlach 2-man the final boss while the rest of the party and all my summons dealt with the reinforcements outside. Honestly kind of disappointed in the fight, the penultimate battle on the way to the final boss was much tougher.

@@Blckviper Your mileage may vary With 300 HP on normal difficulty, and even more on Tactician, 10% is a significant amount of HP. That's 30HP on normal, and, iirc, 40HP on Tactician. Basically giving you a free hit in before the fight even starts. And I agree it isn't the toughest fight in the game, (I think that is probably Raphael), it's certainly not an easy fight if you're unprepared.

@@Stickweasel91 Raph was tough, especially since I couldn't convince Orthon to turn on him, but even so I was able to do that fight first try. The fight leading up to the brain though...See, I played a Open Hand Monk 9 and Thief Rogue 3 multiclass focusing on unarmed strikes. Well, turns out, if you make the sacrifice yourself and let Orpheus do the thing to YOU after/if you free him, your unarmed strikes stop getting bonuses from gear. They still work with Dex as a Monk but the unarmed strikes gear I had stopped giving their bonuses. I went from being able to do 100 damage a round without my buffs (Almost 200 with all buffs) to doing 2-9 damage per unarmed strikes, so even with all buffs my max damage was only 81. That was MAX. Significant decrease in damage potential and the worst part was even though I had a save directly before the Orpheus choice, narratively it didn't make any sense to me to choose any other option. So while I'm sure Raph WOULD have been harder than the penultimate fight in other scenarios, in my specific one it was much easier comparitively.

@@Stickweasel91 That(optional, I suppose) fight against Raphael was crazy, fun design though... I'll be friends with Raphael next time haha Edit: 666 HP, of course.

Complete Spoiler: I saved Hope and she died in that battle, not sure what I would get if she survived, but I wasn't up for doing that battle again. Likely an additional buff in the final battles.

What effect is that?

Nether brain loses 25% of its hp in the last push

I thought it was anything but a nice touch. I thought it was cheap and felt insulting to the player.

@@Arcessitorhuh???

@@Arcessitor to each their own, while negligible in the grand scheme of things. For me it was nice that they added a little something for a nat 20 role in what was essentially a scripted loss. Narratively you aren't able to overcome the brain but your exceptional will in the moment had an effect

Honestly thats pretty cool

Kinda useless as you easily kill it in one turn anyway. It doesnt have much HP to begin with.

@@Zangelin That depends on many factors. Which difficulty are you playing on? How many of your allies can you actually get through the portal to attack it? If it is just the specific Mind Flayer then the damage output is not that great and you would be glad for any percentage of health that's gone beforehand.

I rolled 20 here. Brain not only had -20%HP but also was surprised by my attack, so I had first two rounds of attacks for free.

I thought that too? but i saved my rune powder bomb from the gnomes and like 40 smokepowder arrows.... the fight didnt last long, also on top of the brain.

With enchance ability and 4 inspiration you need to roll 20 jnce out of 10 rolls, which is about 40% chance. Not that bad.

No, it’s just 1/20 each time

Good. 20s don't do anything special for skill checks.

You rolled a 26, not a 99. It was a good effort though

@@techwizsmith7963 If you roll a natural 20, you will ALWAYS succeed, regardless of skill bonuses/penalties. Same as how when you roll a Nat 1 you’ll ALWAYS miss!

I got that first try and thought it was scripted

I’m pretty sure that’s not how legendary resistance works

If I remeber correctly, it allows a monster with it to succeed a failed save which is what it looked like happened.@@poseidon_god_of_the_sea4165

@@poseidon_god_of_the_sea4165 That's exactly how it works

@@DOneClub No, Legendary Resistance is If a legendary creature fails a save, they can choose to succeed on that save instead. That was a check made Against the creature, not a saving throw made BY the creature.

@@DOneClub Legendary resistances only work against spells and effects that require a saving throw

Right?!

best of luck 👋🏻

She's about to blow and save us all

The Endboss starts with 25% less.

following normal 5e rules, nat 20 skill checks does not constitute auto success

@@Phantomvalthusokay- but where else in Baulder’s Gate does that happen? If a dm did this out of nowhere it’d be annoying as hell.

@@jonstanton1219 I mean it is the final boss

@@jonstanton1219if the dm did this and said that you managed to weaken the boss with a permanent debuff it would be fine. Just like what happened here

I heavily dislike this system. When I roll a nat 1 on an attack roll with let's say a crossbow in our TT campaigns, depending on the DM I might just fall over (and lay prone) and whoot myself in the foot for half damage of the damage roll. I love that, it creates hilarious situations. Once our rogue wanted to climb down a cavern on a rope, rolled a Dex 1 check and hung himself in the process. (this was a game with 4 revives per character, so 16 in total, so it wasn't super frustrating) Everyone had a hearty laugh at that process being described by our DM

​@@zyncra3965youre liteeally the only person ive ever heard of that likes it when their dm does that

@@zyncra3965thats such a funny way to die lmao i have to try dnd someday

Our DM uses this system and it makes his games a lot better for it.

I could go either way on this. Sure, it's wildly implausible that someone extremely proficient could fuck something they're proficient at up so monumentally, so it makes sense for things to still go relatively smoothly. But also treating it as a "that's just how reality works here: fate and the gods are cruel" thing is funny. You can be a master locksmith but you rolled a nat one trying to open that chest and now you have a tension wrench lodged in your eye. Life is hard. RP it out.

dumb take. why make a auto-win skill check instead of just not having any skill check?

@@Sarkhan69 Thought it might have been for dramatic effect. Pretty sure I’ve played some games that had something similar.

Same, I thought it was scripted lol

sadly the outcome of a nat 20 on that case is underwhelming

your argument would be valid if this were a failure. This has an appriciable effect on the boss which works toward your goal which is what a skill check does. Success does not mean you automatically complete a task, it means you make headway toward doing so and this is put on display many times during a normal playthrough of BG3 with the number of different things that require multiple skill checks or saving throws to complete. Its not the game's fault you dont understand it.

the result is a failure. If you cannot see it as a failure do not insult and belittle other people due to your poor comprehension skills. @@thedarkness125​

Technically it did matter because it lowers the brains max hp in the later fight

Why though? Crit 20 means he got the best possible outcome. That's not necessarily the same as what he wanted to achieve.

@@dpetersz He's referring to the fact that skill checks in 5e don't have a critical success by default rules. Rolling a 20 on a skill check means the same as any other number, you treat it as Roll + Modifier vs DC/Opposing Roll as normal (meaning even with a 20 you can absolutely still fail against a high enough DC or opposed check). Crits only apply to attack rolls and nothing else.

@@TheFoxYoukai yeah I know, and nobody plays like that.

@@dpetersz weird, because every table i've ever been at has played like that

"Nah man, I don't feel like it anymore."

@IndigoWhiskey you do get something for rolling a NAT 20.

When the Player reminds you that you yourself Instituted the house rule that a nat 20 auto succeeds on skill checks too

So why is a nat 1 an automatic failure without modifiers added to it? Stop talking out your ass.

@@anna-flora999 Yeah, no player is reminding BG3 that's what they agreed on. 😆

Not in Baldurs gate 3, there a nat 20 is a auto success.

As many have poimted out in the comment section, succeeding in the checks means the boss starts out with some of its HP lost in the final encounter. So getting a natural 20 in this check doesn't mean you failed, you succeeded in damaging the boss

I mean it's not that rare lol 5%

Same. I was actually a bit disappointed because I thought it was an auto success but with a bit of drama and felt cheated out of a roll. Today I learned that I just got lucky and feel a bit silly.

Same, still love this game to bits though.

I don't know how it ended, but in mine I had two options: I could subdue the brain or make it destroy all the larvae in the world.

That nat 20 reduces the max hp of the brain in the final fight

Ahh so you prefer to railroad your players and remove the possibility of having fun. Boring. Could at least ask the mto roll again so they need to get back to back nat 20s for success.

@@Dead_Goat by all means, kill a tarrasque with a single eldritch blast, because you rolled a 5% chance. The game in my opinion was not meant to be always beatable by force of nat 20. And trying to guilt trip me, because your table didn't let you do something, is quite uncouth honestly.

Except the game implemented the "auto success/failure rule" for every check in the game. Even the tutorial states that both criticals are either an automatic failure or an automatic success ignoring the check's DC and the players modifiers. So it feels cheap and inconsistent for the game to suddenly change it's own rules just for one check. So the player is not supposed to dominate the Elder brain? fair enough, then simply *don't ask for a roll in the first place* if the result is not gonna change the outcome of the check anyway why even bother giving false expectations. And yes, succeeding actually does something: it nerfs the brain Hp by 10% it's still a disappointing outcome compared to the check's premise.

I finished game 2 time and I Only Quick Save in dialogue when it have Attack and in battle now I am on my 3 playthrough and now I abuse Quick save they should patch it somehow

They also set expectation saying that dlc probably won't happen, may very far in to the future but they feel that it isn't worth the trouble to implement given the effects of high lvl spells.

@@phugindomas IMO, with some work, I think they could have the characters go up to lvl 14 in a DLC, since 7th lvl spells aren't THAT crazy. But yeah, any more than that and things get real complicated. 8th lvl and higher spells can be nuts.

They set the level cap to 12 because a lot of higher level spells in D&D would be incredibly difficult to implement into a video game. Like True Resurrection can bring back anyone from any time, and you don't even need to have the body. Just say any dead person ever's name and they pop into existence 10 feet away. That spell can absolutely derail the story, which is fine for tabletop D&D when the DM can switch stuff up on the fly, but you can only script so many possibilities into a video game.

​@phugindomas ummm no they didn't they said only going to lvl 12 leaves room for dlc but they probably won't go to lvl 20 it'll just be a while before we'd see any dlc

@@Andyman269 then it's entirely possible there will eventually be a baldur's gate 4. And other games have managed to implement high-level spells just fine.

Side note getting a nat 20 in this reduces the final fight with the elder brain by a chunk! If I recall properly the effects called Against All Odds

You sound like a trash dm then lmfao

lame DM considering rule of cool.

@@Zangelin Hey, my method still allows for plenty of Rule of Cool. ‘The best possible outcome given the circumstances’ has a lot of leeway when those circumstances include gods and magic.

​@@JageshemashFTWthe thing is that bg3 tells you in the beginning that a nat20 is an auto success. So this is more like if you stapled a note "NAT 20 AUTO SUCCEEDS SKILL CHECKS" on your DM screen and then later said "no"

It is though if the table agrees to it as a house rule. Which bg3 does

not quite, it lowers the brains HP in the final fight

​@@rileyevans2989 That's legit STILL a critical fail - With a different flavor! When you have to beat a 99 skill check (which requires a critical success) and that is all you get... Yep... Crit failure! I've beat him twice so far in the 4 playthroughs I've done... And let me tell you - That 10% is meaningless...

@@TheMorrogoth Bruh do you think a 20 is higher than 99?

@@anonymousxaela761What? No one is talking about 20 being higher... In fact - No one even stated 20 to start with... You have to roll a Critical Success (which is a Nat 20) to beat the check. Its not that its "higher" (nor did I hint at that). Its that when you roll a Nat 20 - You auto pass... Am... Am I being trolled?

It's not a crit fail, it's just a fail. Crit fail is if you roll a nat 1.

Which vault was that? Pretty sure I got all of them but I don't remember any 99s

@@dieguy3080 I think that's the door you need to Input a code for with the floor keyboard

@TaurusTheCrazyBull yeah It just skips the code

That's a silly homebrew imo because there are situations where the characters going to try even if it's futile because of the high stakes. It's literally part of the plot that it's revealed to you after your failure with the DC99 that your brain isn't strong enough, but by having the opportunity TO roll, it allows the narrative to give the player hope before dashing it. Sometimes it's clever to give players an impossible skill check. And rolling 20 still has an impact as it reduces the endboss HP by 10%

@@Hirotoro4692 Respectfully disagree. If you let them roll, then there is a chance they can succeed. Otherwise, you as the DM should simply narrate the outcome of their 'attempted action'. This skill check isn't technically an impossible skillcheck, as a favorable outcome is garnered by a natural 20 which in BG3 means 'success'. You just don't succeed in the way you might want.

​@Hirotoro4692 It's far more player friendly, is all, sure if you love making people displeased and truly feel bad you can make them still fail but if they will fail anyway you can avoid it all and just state you can't win against it. The general player doesn't like wasting their time nor does it make it an enjoyable experience for the player, just the DM which in a game sense is a failing mechanic. It would be better to create a roll about weakening it directly as the result of the roll, to each their own in how they play but I wager most would not favor your method, since it isn't a popular thing to begin with.

No. He still says "This isn't over"

nah cuz then everyone would just save scum it even on the first playthrough.

I rolled low iirc?

Karmic dice, probably. Gotta turn that off.

@@Frosty-kz4om I had that turned off. Maybe they just increased the chance on that roll by default?

I savescummed this for like half an hour to get a Nat 20 to see what happens lol

i don't think that's possible

@@lordorion5776 normally yeah sure but modding the game to be able to do that, do you think it will do something or just repeat this cutscene?

@@Mr_wisk i doubt they made a cutscene for it sense it's impossible so you'd need to make one

​@@Mr_wisk A critical success is no different from a regular success, even if you passed it with mods it would play the same scene shown here.

@@Cruddyhorse hmm ok

Are you high? You literally can get up to 4 inspiration in the game

@@Hirotoro4692 He probably means how crits work in 3.5e. When you roll 20 it just means that you hit no matter what. You will still need to roll another d20 to check if you actually crit.

your argument would be valid if this were a failure. This has an appriciable effect on the boss which works toward your goal which is what a skill check does. Success does not mean you automatically complete a task, it means you make headway toward doing so and this is put on display many times during a normal playthrough of BG3 with the number of different things that require multiple skill checks or saving throws to complete. Its not the game's fault you dont understand it.

The brain has less HP when you fight it

for real though. cmon give us an ending where we dominate the brain and use it to either bend Faerun to our will or use it to destroy everything.

@@spicydong317 ah, that is why it was wounded? Cool.

⁠@@zacharyjackson1829There literally is an ending where you dominate it

@@zacharyjackson1829 you can bend the brain to your will.

Those are continuity errors and more of those get fixed every patch

Weird, it's almost as if it's a video game controlled by code and not a ttrpg controlled by humans....

Wait for a week or a month , its just release and you already ask the lore 😂

A very big brain.

The elder brain, in short, basically nobody you know

Play it. You won't regret it.

The Absolute is the big brain you see here, this is an elder brain. Something that belongs to the mindflayer faction and can controle and transform people through the usage of tadpoles. Something you will be affected by right from the start. However this elder brain has been made, nurtured and controlled by three people through the usage of an ancient artifact and they each hold one of the stones so they can controle it together. Tbh even with knowing this there are still some minor plot twists that are fun and a whole lot more to discover in this world larian has created so go play it and enjoy