Just a fun video I made of a Norfolk Southern train that stalled on Horseshoe Curve. This was filmed on 6/2/19. Also be sure to check out my Instagram page @pennsylvania_rails
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@annoyingbstard94073 жыл бұрын
It annoys me that the photographer just carried on filming when he could have helped push it up the hill.
@vze428s73 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@gracebrady10463 жыл бұрын
🤣
@sarahlynn78943 жыл бұрын
😀😄😁😆😂🤣😭
@gonebamboo41162 жыл бұрын
And the people making comments, absolutely worthless too! 😅
@Pimpdaddy_payne2 жыл бұрын
@@gonebamboo4116, yep we should have been there too
@joelstein46572 жыл бұрын
I was born in Altoona during WWII. My grandfather worked in the railroad shops and my mother would always take us out to Horseshoe Curve. . The whole idea to it was that locomotives could negotiate that grade in the western Pennsylvania mountains. It was a world famous engineering feat in the early 20th century. Don't know why this guy only had one engine for that long train.
@jrockofages5413 Жыл бұрын
My Dad was born in Altoona. I know right where this is.
@brianstratton8767 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, single engine puzzled me too yet.. My grandpa aka Pap did 58 yrs @ PRR in Altoona from brakeman to block operator. Unfortunately he died in '66 when I was 4 so no shop tours for me. Truly enjoyed the Arcade ( SwNY*) & Attica RR as a youngster & went several times. Still operates but don't know if they still have steamers. *we were the only family that moved there; 3 went to Canton, OH
@jrockofages5413 Жыл бұрын
On a different subject, do you remember the gas station nearby that for many years featured a bear in a large cage? 1960s?
@kevinaurandt6280 Жыл бұрын
Because the accountant in Atlanta said it would work…
@RParker102 Жыл бұрын
and a emd also not heavy enough
@anb7403 жыл бұрын
Tonnage tables/charts for each locomotive type were put into employee timetables for a reason.....to make sure crap like this didn’t happen! Now, you have a bunch of non-railroader bean counters who ignore all of it and try to see how many hundreds of cars that can throw behind an engine in the name of “Precision Scheduled Railroading.” This is the result.
@idabeckel9757 Жыл бұрын
I absolute love trains but the panoramic view of the lush Pennsylvania landscape makes this my favorite train video...EVER! Thank you, Dan! If I lived there, I'd be parked in that little viewing area, every day.
@mikeweaver8790 Жыл бұрын
Great video for sure. Pennsylvania summers at their best. The only time the curve and the Pennsylvania mountains look any better is in the early fall when the leaves turn but haven't dropped much yet.
@bocfus723 жыл бұрын
I’ve worked on those tracks before, the whole time we were there I always witnessed 2 engines in the front and 2 helpers in the rear!!!
@georgew.56393 жыл бұрын
All he needed was a little help from his friends. 🚂
@jonglass3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he got by with a little help from his friends. He got high(er) with a little help from his friends.
@cats01823 жыл бұрын
Can't believe that train was assigned 1 loco when the passing coal train had 2 on the front end and a helper set on back. NS is either cheap or terminal dumb or both.
@Fred-yx7fv3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to PSR. Cutting costs for the share price
@traingirl093 жыл бұрын
I think the same when I saw only one locomotive. Especially, seeing that it was a coal train.
@jonglass3 жыл бұрын
@@traingirl09 empties
@jwslijm72783 жыл бұрын
Correct!
@traingirl093 жыл бұрын
@@jonglass, ah ok. I didn't look closely to see if it was. Thanks for the call out.
@gwr50293 жыл бұрын
I would like to know why only 1 loco was assigned to that train!
@NSHorseheadSD703 жыл бұрын
PSR. Its cheaper to just let the train stall and scramble to find a helper than it is to have one ready to go when you get there
@oddjobz98583 жыл бұрын
Pathetic. Conrail knew how to move trains better
@nickt.22383 жыл бұрын
It's sad to me what has become of NS.
@dasheffield55963 жыл бұрын
The dispatcher have some explaining to do about this. 🤔
@KevinBenecke3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if someone was fired on that day.
@jimbos34213 жыл бұрын
I’m sure the insulation on the traction motor cables liked that!
@josephwiese39373 жыл бұрын
You mean that stuff dripping off the cables that's hot as lava?
@NoBody-ht1oh3 жыл бұрын
Wet day mate by the looks of it. Current draw would be a lot lower due to traction problems
@freighttrainjoe3 жыл бұрын
Oh they loved it
@gorillawarrior24953 жыл бұрын
Can smell it from here! 😂
@46fd043 жыл бұрын
Lots of friction in the curve , and not enough HP assigned to this train caused it to just stop. I'm no train engineer, but I do ask myself why the Engineer & Conductor agreed to take this train with a single loco on the front end. My guess is they were TOLD by their Boss or a Dispatcher, someone who has never operated a train in their life.
@350Scrambler2 жыл бұрын
Management at their best. Someone promoted to the point beyond their capability.
@b3j82 жыл бұрын
Well, there may not have been a helper set available in Altoona at the time, so possibly told to get as far as they could and they'd get a help as soon as one was free. Happened before.
@denislapointe76922 жыл бұрын
@@350Scrambler I’m
@hcrun2 жыл бұрын
@@denislapointe7692 You're what?
@NotchNate2 жыл бұрын
Part of the conductors job is train compliance, making sure they have the proper hpt to get over the hill.
@Neal_Schier13 күн бұрын
What is astounding to me is the amount of torque applied to get the train moving on that incline. The wonders of diesel-electric propulsion!
@mikecole8193 жыл бұрын
I bet either the dispatcher or power desk clerk got their asses handed to them for dispatching a train for the hill under powered.
@michlo33933 жыл бұрын
Oh, you think the RR's care about that? lol they couldn't give the slightest fuck. Depending on the RR you run off of either TPA or HpT and to the RR, as long as "the numbers are good" the train is good to go. They account for the entire route of the train and often forget about the little hill in the middle. Oh well, just get another crew and find another motor. Rinse and repeat.
@BNforever20093 жыл бұрын
Nope. The trainmaster assigned the power and that's that. At CN it's the same thing. If it stalls they'll have to find power elsewhere. CN has notch restrictions. Engineers CANNOT go over notch 5. If they do it's a 30 day suspension. There are black boxes on rack locomotive and the trainmasters download the information on their laptops.
@jamesridoni3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the UP under powered
@SuburbanDon Жыл бұрын
I was here in 2012. A must-see place to visit if you like trains. The trains just keep coming and coming.
@mrfingerlakes87353 жыл бұрын
That was nuts only one engine on that train
@RonMontagueSWRR3 жыл бұрын
You would think that NS should know how many units or horses needed to complete the run.
@gonebamboo41162 жыл бұрын
Well, of course they do. This was just a publicity stunt
@michaelglebis49562 жыл бұрын
This is ns being stupid .
@barnesproducts1733 жыл бұрын
One locomotive!? I know the trains empty but he didn't stand a chance! Come on NS!!!
@rayvonp3 жыл бұрын
That’s a hell of a consist for one engine
@thomaswaddell90123 жыл бұрын
I thought he was going to stop and see if the stalled engineer needed a ride 🤭🤭
@joelsmith5886 Жыл бұрын
I'm curious as to why Northfolk Southern sent this coal train up the grade with only one locomotive and expected it to make it. You don't often see a single unit at the head of a coal train on flat land let alone trying to climb a hill.
@spdwebdotnet3 жыл бұрын
Been to this spot so many times growing up in Altoona. Used to count the steps on the way up and down. Now I just play on my phone during the incline ride.
@alanrix53443 жыл бұрын
Yes on my trip to the US in 2010 spent a few enjoyable hours at this spot
@anthonyciampaglia923810 ай бұрын
Incline has been out of service for probably three years now give or take
@fergus2473 жыл бұрын
That is actually a very nice place :) Beautiful nature and trains!
@Keith195633 жыл бұрын
That’s what I thought as well.
@gonebamboo41162 жыл бұрын
But the A.I. said it would work! Just absolutely beautiful, saving money for sure.
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739 Жыл бұрын
Usually at Altoona they add a lash up on the rear of the going up the hill must of added them on after the one loco could not handle the grade
@midwesternrail47293 жыл бұрын
This is when the mac really NEEDED those 6000HP
@NorthernIndianaRails3 жыл бұрын
Sd70acu not a mac 😊
@midwesternrail47293 жыл бұрын
@@NorthernIndianaRails It was a joke but the ACU was originally a MAC
@NorthernIndianaRails3 жыл бұрын
@@midwesternrail4729 sorry i didn't know you where joking :)
@diamondunicorn24213 жыл бұрын
How so weird! I put in an application for this company and this video popped up on my feed!! Interesting and informative to watch! Thanks for sharing!
@nscalecoal3 жыл бұрын
cool, i was walking up the steps, when that train stalled out, it wasn't raining when i arrived at the curve, but those few raindrops was enough to stall the train
@danielulz16403 жыл бұрын
I'm betting flange friction.
@jasonfox69243 жыл бұрын
I would've loved to hear what the 2nd train conductor was saying to the 1st one on their radio system. I bet it was a good chirp
@kens.37293 жыл бұрын
Should always have two (2) Pushers on Every Train on this Subdivision of the NS Railroad Line.👍
@cynicaltexan96393 жыл бұрын
teamwork makes the dreamwork
@alexlorenz410316 күн бұрын
According to Train Sim world, the Curve is on a 1.6% grade. So trains coming out of Altoona are climbing that grade.
@MrThedwp3 жыл бұрын
Having watched countless hours of the Horseshoe on Virtual Railfan, I have no clue why that train would only have a single engine with no helpers to get up the Curve as you need at least 3 engines as a minimum to do that properly
@doncarlton48583 жыл бұрын
Precision Scheduled Railroading, AKA: Uphill slow, downhill fast, tonnage first and safety last! In PSR you only put one unit in the lead and no helpers.
@MrThedwp3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarlton4858 that's great and all but you've never seen how the Horseshoe works as it's ALWAYS at least 2 engines on the front and 2 helpers usually at the back
@jwslijm72783 жыл бұрын
Indeed i also watch Virtual Railfan and have never seen an empty coal train with 1 engine!
@MrThedwp3 жыл бұрын
@@jwslijm7278 thank you as at least someone knows the score around here
@jwslijm72783 жыл бұрын
@@MrThedwp The elevation of Cresson (west of the HC) is 2.057 feet; Altoona (east of the HC) is 1.161. I call that a huge difference in height some 15 miles apart from each other!
@rack_92 жыл бұрын
Wow that's amazing I was not expecting to see SD's push him up the hill
@NorthernIndianaRails3 жыл бұрын
Great footage! 😊
@walterfink9782 Жыл бұрын
I'm very surprised this train only had one locomotive. Should have had a second unit.
@bhproductions10613 жыл бұрын
Great job and great view of the curve
@DanM199293 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@bhproductions10613 жыл бұрын
Your welcome you should check out my NS train catch’s from here and the Conway yard
@anthonytidey20053 жыл бұрын
This was a costly drop off. Putting either one or two remote pushers at the back would have avoided the delay, possable danger and cost.
@briancooper5623 жыл бұрын
Regular yard master on holiday again?
@medwaymodelrailway71293 жыл бұрын
Great video like it very much .Hope there more to come .
@blehtbh3 жыл бұрын
high hood: COME ON YOU CAN DO IT Ns 7272: feels happy
@icosthop999815 күн бұрын
One extremely *"Sad Day For Railroading"* 😢 . . *_But very interesting for _**_#Rail_Fans_* 🤗 👍
@austinmiller3497 Жыл бұрын
Great video it looks like that engine may need a few more helper engines
@simplywonderful4493 жыл бұрын
It's amazing that under such a load that locomotive isn't belching out black smoke!
@Petriefied02463 жыл бұрын
Modern emission controls say no!
@gonebamboo41162 жыл бұрын
I hear they got a strong union and it was just time for coffee.
@SantaFe194847 ай бұрын
Nice video. This must have been recorded before 2020, with the older helpers.
@deniseluckie95353 жыл бұрын
Just on that route from Pitt to Florida Nice ride.
@charlesferebee2633 жыл бұрын
Always SDs to the rescue. LMAO 🤣
@bhproductions10613 жыл бұрын
Are they still useed as helpers even though NS has 3 sets of SD70Acu helpers
@katieandkevinsears77243 жыл бұрын
All I can say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Precision failroading in action.
@christopherdibble5872 Жыл бұрын
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore, not like they did back in 1954.
@Amigafur11 ай бұрын
I've never seen a single diesel loco at the head of a coal drag.
@austinmiller3497 Жыл бұрын
That old train engine i will have to get a picture of that someday too
@nc_railfilms25333 жыл бұрын
0:01 the litt”NORFOLK SOUTHERN” that could
@Abhijitkashyep1990 Жыл бұрын
Beginning of a new mission in train sim world 2..
@craigbathurst11853 жыл бұрын
Not enough of diesels to pull the load. The old steamers used to pull loads up this curve back in the day. My grandfather, great grandfather and allied families worked for the PPR back when steam was king. One distant cousin was killed in a train crash at Axmen back in the late 1940’s. Two trains where on the same track. Made front page news.
@hillbillytrucker83472 жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure I have seen both 6311 and 6308 in Radford Va, N&S rail yard located there I think at the time they were pulling an intermodal drag.
@walt10643 жыл бұрын
My fprofeeser at college worked as a logistics manager at SWIFT Transportation . His math showed only one little engine would pull 23000 ft. train.
@doncarlton48583 жыл бұрын
He's probably the idiot that convincing the railroads to use PSR!
@stanpatterson50333 жыл бұрын
Did his math take into consideration that real railroads have inclines and curves?
@williamjackson57673 жыл бұрын
@@stanpatterson5033 I believe that was the joke.
@TravelingRailfan5017 ай бұрын
I guess trains aren't that strong after all, lol nice vid, greetings from Washington -Konlin Kuykendall
@ruthowens26403 жыл бұрын
What happens you say ??Well of course you say Giddy Up ...😂😂🐴🐴
@robertrichter69368 ай бұрын
It was the same management that decided 2 yrs. ago that 6 empty lumber cars up near the locos on a long train derailed climbing out of Altoona on the curve & we’re surprised!
@johnuhelski86136 ай бұрын
Way to go NS ; There IS a mountain there at the curve , power the trains with THAT in mind !!
@genegleason49872 жыл бұрын
Dispatch screwed that move up. Other empty coal train had 2 units no problem , this one only got single unit
@williammcgeehan3424 Жыл бұрын
Who's the genius trainmaster that put one engine on the lead for a climb up the east slope ?
@brvynky Жыл бұрын
The little train that couldn't
@DiggingRob3 жыл бұрын
One Loco on a coal train .....up hill....... I can’t believe it stalled .....???
@doncarlton48583 жыл бұрын
PSR strikes again!
@thomasklimchuk44110 ай бұрын
The trainmaster doesnt care if the train is under powered once it departs the yard its not his responsibility 😂
@CurvyTribune3 жыл бұрын
(As Gordon the Big Express Engine) Oooohh, The Indignity!
@pacather Жыл бұрын
As Mr Rogers used to say, "Look for the helpers!"
@glhx2112 Жыл бұрын
Us locals to the Horseshoe Curve call these incidents "Norfolk Southern Gravity Experiments". Worst part about this is: Those cars are empty. No coal headed West. Just empty's.
@hillbillytrucker83472 жыл бұрын
I just love to see the trains go by remember gravity is still in control whether your loaded or empty if you don't have the horses your gonna stop. Been stopped at RR crossings many time due to a train not having the engines to make the pull. Been in the transportation industry for 30 years and it is the same all over many times people in the offices don't know what it is like on the RR or the highway. A computer tells them it will work when the driver knows good and well it is a wasted effort not matter what part of the transportation industry comes from. Love the trains though raw brute power still stopped gravity. Nature always wins. Love the video love the trains pulling hard keep it up as long as you can we will watch the beasts pull no matter what happens on the rails.
@justinmartin88873 жыл бұрын
Seen that happen first hand, same place. I live about 45 minutes from there
@peterjensen68443 жыл бұрын
The math probably said yes, one loco should be able to pull that string of empties but only barely. The curve, the weather, maybe a stuck set of brakes etc meant no. But as its the lowest priority, its cheaper to send it out with a single and maybe not need help and then, if it is needed, send a local power pair to get it up the curve and be done. Seems silly but its probably more efficient in the long run.
@robertwilliams83583 жыл бұрын
Finally a sensible answer. I worked for the NS Railway for years and believe me they always get the most out of their motive power. Sometimes decisions don’t seem to make sense but you can bet they usually have a sound reason for what they do.
@mistergrampy64523 жыл бұрын
"Helper? We don't need no stinking helper!"
@dannyastourian80543 жыл бұрын
Just like on Thomas the Train. Choo Choo! 🚂🚃🚃
@danforbess69413 жыл бұрын
Needs one of those monster BNSF engines they use out West for that run!
@Sawdustpile173 жыл бұрын
Only options you got are back down the grade which is highly unlikely or get some helper units to arrive as that’s far more safer. Gotta think safety first.
@chartphred13 жыл бұрын
You should get out there and give it a bit of a push😜
@richintalent3 жыл бұрын
My fuel is bad and will not burn, My power is gone, not to return, So here I sit upon this hill, With the angels whispering "Peace, be still."
@shiftintohigh55643 жыл бұрын
Notchup!
@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739 Жыл бұрын
Lol i love how the other engineer on the passing train blows the horn at the stopped train adding insult to him lol yeah you need two to haul not just 1
@thehigsy2 ай бұрын
As crazy as it was to have 1 engine going up but how unsafe would that have been coming down
@mattl96872 жыл бұрын
Some NS bean counter is like “Impressive, EMD. Next time is a GE. We’ll do one Dash 9 and 130 hoppers for the curve.” Maybe this is the PSR replacement for load tests. ONE UNIT😂🤦🏻♂️ c’mon man!
@tuberoyful2 жыл бұрын
The High Gondola's were ALL HEAVELY LOADED obviously, and Sanding wasn't enough And it took TWO ADDITIONAL HELPERS!
@bobsmith99472 жыл бұрын
All empty.
@bobcribbs412525 күн бұрын
When is the cam coming back?
@professor_thunder Жыл бұрын
Who makes the decision on how many locomotives / train configurations?
@MM0IMC3 жыл бұрын
It was good that there was a pair of banking locos available.
@BenRichards227 Жыл бұрын
Nice pair of standard cabs on the rear, anyway.
@bg454203 жыл бұрын
How do they coordinate the power of the helpers with the lead unit? Is it done manually with radios or are the helpers controlled by the lead unit?
@djtrainman22 жыл бұрын
It can be done in both ways. When it’s done manual they would communicate with radio, when they are done in remote control it is all controlled by the main locomotive
@garyhoover99833 жыл бұрын
It's a jb hunt engine!😂
@shawnpowell58762 жыл бұрын
In a situation like this I'd have 2 leaders and a DPU to ensure the load keeps moving. I'd rather have too much power than not enough. What's it hurt to burn a little more diesel fuel than to have to get sidelined waiting for another unit to arrive to assist w the move? And I say this for all trains.
@philthompson9633 Жыл бұрын
If that was a siding, don’t know without a rail chart, or double main. Train masters are ultimate say on how many engines . But the two helpers on rear could have been there and he was allowing the second train to pass or the extra engines coupled later ?
@ONTHEEDGEFRED3 жыл бұрын
It would seem like stall outs like this would be costly, can there really be that much of a + or - factor in figuring how much horsepower it would take the move x amount of weight through a given area !? Especially one travelled on a daily basis.
@floydturbo16243 жыл бұрын
Why would you try to ascend the mountain with just one locomotive? Sheer lunacy.
@DanM199293 жыл бұрын
It was an empty train but still not a smart move.
@JimMiller-lu2py10 ай бұрын
Why did they put one unit on the head end?
@KevinBenecke3 жыл бұрын
What engine do they have up their on display now? I haven't been up their in over 20 years now. So I'm just curious.
@DanM199293 жыл бұрын
They have PRR GP9 7048 on display at the curve now.
@nlo1143 жыл бұрын
Norfolk 'ngood by the looks of it
@patrickskelly75203 жыл бұрын
This is why steam locomotives are still in use
@Bobrogers993 жыл бұрын
I told ya ya shoulda put in premium diesel instead o' regular! Maybe if we unplug the coffeemaker and the TV....
@joriskylie68573 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to see 4014 take that grade. The sound would be awesome.
@cjstrainsandadventures3322 Жыл бұрын
It can't it can't do the turn boiler would snap off
@THE_IRON_HORSE3 жыл бұрын
Poor SD70ACu :( if you add 16 more to this one train the video title would be." I know you can slow yo roll chief
@doncarlton48583 жыл бұрын
PSR fails again! A train delayed that wouldn't have stalled if helpers were assigned in Altoona!
@robertheinkel62256 ай бұрын
Oops! That’s an expensive and time consuming mistake for a busy railroad.