What If Appeasement Never Ended?

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6 ай бұрын

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@possiblehistory
@possiblehistory 6 ай бұрын
The narration was an experiment, do let me know what you thought!
@alexthedemon2203
@alexthedemon2203 6 ай бұрын
Was a little too loud could use improvement but i did like it
@amelialiu-flowers3340
@amelialiu-flowers3340 6 ай бұрын
It was an interesting addition, could be used to help bring out potential historical perspectives. With a bit of polishing, like the obvious modern *end recording sounds*, I could see myself enjoying it.
@Thursday7272
@Thursday7272 6 ай бұрын
It doesnt really fit the video style and is in my opinion very out of place
@alistersinclair4600
@alistersinclair4600 6 ай бұрын
I like it, needs a little refinement in terms of volume and stuff but I think it could be pretty good!
@gabrielmagalhaes3893
@gabrielmagalhaes3893 6 ай бұрын
It is a good idea, but the execution is not quite there yet. Try modifying the audio to feel like an old radio transmission, and yes it was a bit louder than necessary.
@MikhailTukachevsky
@MikhailTukachevsky 6 ай бұрын
Germany requests the entire universe, France and Britain decide it's reasonable because there is more Germans to be appeased in space.
@MikhailTukachevsky
@MikhailTukachevsky 6 ай бұрын
@@finitatem Went on r/atheism today have we? Or maybe watched a wehraboo video?
@chinesetaxevader
@chinesetaxevader 6 ай бұрын
@@MikhailTukachevsky he is not wrong, the city used to be populated by mainly germans and hungarians up until ww1 when the city was given to the slovaks even tho they barely lived there
@asasas9146
@asasas9146 6 ай бұрын
​@@finitatem Depends on your morals tho. I'll say anyone willing to go to war so eagerly to break the Versailles treaty is being unreasonable.
@patrikmodrovsky1842
@patrikmodrovsky1842 6 ай бұрын
@@finitatem those lands were Czech for long time, they had higher German population only because Austrians were pushing out other cultures also, minorities in Czechoslovakia had great treatment, one of best in the world
@nielsjensen4185
@nielsjensen4185 6 ай бұрын
@@asasas9146 The Treaty of Versailles was in itself amoral with one main goal, to punish Germany so it could never recover enough economically to threaten Europe. This was due to a thing that's often ignored when people present WWI, namely that the Germans as a population were stoked to show the rest of Europe their superiority. it's always that Germany only found itself in WWI due to diplomatic circumstances, which is incorrect. The Treaty itself eventually gave room for Hitler to seize power and become the beloved dictator that many Germans saw him as, until the full extent of the KZ-camps was revealed that is. Meynard Keynes protested the Treaty of Versailles as he believed that it would lead to the circumstances that it did. The treaty after WWII was a lot more lenient than the Treaty of Versailles as the Allied powers this time took Keynes' criticism to heart.
@TheSerbNationalist
@TheSerbNationalist 6 ай бұрын
"I want that thing." Germany said, calmly.
@brandonarmienti6875
@brandonarmienti6875 6 ай бұрын
"You can't have tha- OK!! You can have that thing but no more!!"- Chamberlain said in response.
@Kiddo5010
@Kiddo5010 5 ай бұрын
I want that thing. And repeat
@narobii9815
@narobii9815 5 ай бұрын
Germany said, calmy with a vein bulging on their forehead.*
@DinoRicky
@DinoRicky 5 ай бұрын
@@Kiddo5010I want that….. NO NOT POLAND!!!!!!
@JackFPS.
@JackFPS. Ай бұрын
Just casually waiting a NordVPN joke
@Respecteddude666
@Respecteddude666 6 ай бұрын
Bro you need to continue the ww1 central powers victory series it's so damn interesting
@robbsclock2675
@robbsclock2675 6 ай бұрын
Yes, that would be wonderful
@Farrighthungarian
@Farrighthungarian 6 ай бұрын
There's not much to do honestly. Germany has the biggest army,barely any enemies,and nukes.
@Respecteddude666
@Respecteddude666 6 ай бұрын
@@Farrighthungarian Tbh i want it to continue tell modern day to see how much have changed
@coolthefool1
@coolthefool1 6 ай бұрын
frfr
@thenamesianna
@thenamesianna 6 ай бұрын
Beyond that point it would become more fiction than educated speculation. I am satisfied with what I have now.
@scyobiempire4450
@scyobiempire4450 6 ай бұрын
What if the German revolution succeeded while the Russian (October) revolution failed?
@dmitrygerasimov7869
@dmitrygerasimov7869 6 ай бұрын
Do you mean if November Revolution ended up by communists taking power.. If so, it's quite not an option, because communist uprisings in Germany were highly inspired by s *success* of October Revolution in Russia.
@scyobiempire4450
@scyobiempire4450 6 ай бұрын
@@dmitrygerasimov7869 in the early stages of the success of the Bolsheviks taking power, there was a lot of uncertainty about how long it would last. It is possible it could’ve fell whether it be to forces inside the Union or due to outside forces meddling
@edelweiss7928
@edelweiss7928 6 ай бұрын
The bad ending
@user-se4cy9tj7t
@user-se4cy9tj7t 6 ай бұрын
Yes
@gladys2563
@gladys2563 5 ай бұрын
​@@edelweiss7928Th b and g endin
@JustAnotherGuy-vx4po
@JustAnotherGuy-vx4po 6 ай бұрын
Scenario idea: What if the Coptic Christian’s succeeded in the Bashmurian revolts, thus creating a Coptic Egypt?
@Segregacionista
@Segregacionista 6 ай бұрын
Based
@randommonkey4900
@randommonkey4900 6 ай бұрын
Interesting
@sawyersprott
@sawyersprott 6 ай бұрын
Very based
@BrandonBDN
@BrandonBDN 6 ай бұрын
Major W God is good ✝️
@PigeonsPlural
@PigeonsPlural 6 ай бұрын
Fascinating
@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV
@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV 6 ай бұрын
I think Japan would have attacked the USSR. With their allies diverting Russia's attention, they could easily take large swathes of resource rich territory. I don't know if it was known to be resource rich at the time, but I still think they would do it.
@affenimperator9155
@affenimperator9155 6 ай бұрын
And without WW2 they can import Oil from Germanys occupied regions or from neutral countrys
@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV
@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV 6 ай бұрын
​@@affenimperator9155 Exactly, though the western allies are still very able to disrupt any shipments of oil or other raw resources quite easily.
@J7Handle
@J7Handle 6 ай бұрын
@@BasicallyBaconSandvichIVthe question is in the allies would try in coordinated fashion to cut the Japanese off from oil when the allies and Japanese are somewhat on the same side of the war against the Soviets thanks to the Winter War. The sanctions from the USA came after Japan occupied Indochina, which would not happen in this alternate timeline.
@AngryAndNegativeHistoryProject
@AngryAndNegativeHistoryProject 6 ай бұрын
What would you have done?
@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV
@BasicallyBaconSandvichIV 6 ай бұрын
​@@J7Handle Exactly, probably why it is in my unprofessional opinion that they would probably attack the USSR. They stay in good standing with both the allies (at least for a little while more) and the germans.
@lustfullemon
@lustfullemon 6 ай бұрын
love how possible history always changes his way of editing ❤
@KCAerospace
@KCAerospace 6 ай бұрын
same
@floor737
@floor737 6 ай бұрын
Might I entreat you to envision a scenario, purely speculative in nature, wherein every conceivable variable aligns harmoniously and favorably for the venerable nation of Norway? Picture, if you will, a narrative unfolding wherein every pursuit, every endeavor, manifests with a perfection so sublime that it ushers forth an unparalleled era of prosperity and serenity for the Norwegian realm. (Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
@achaeanmapping4408
@achaeanmapping4408 6 ай бұрын
Bro pulled the thesaurus for this one
@user-py1gl6xm4f
@user-py1gl6xm4f 6 ай бұрын
If ph did make a video for this when would you want the timeline to diverge?
@floor737
@floor737 6 ай бұрын
@@user-py1gl6xm4f I would say either in 1066 during the Norwegian invasion of England, or after the Napoleonic wars letting Norway keep their overseas territories. Maybe Sweden would give away historical Norwegian lands to make Norway willingly join their union?
@dougfowler1368
@dougfowler1368 6 ай бұрын
​@floor737 after Napoleon? I think avoid8ng the famine during would be it - a stronger Norway that got the food it needed could be c9nsidered too big a prize for Sweden and instead given independence with a British prince to keep them firmly in British sphere of influence.
@floor737
@floor737 6 ай бұрын
@@dougfowler1368 True, avoiding the famine would be ideal. But I tihnk placing a British prince would come with some downsides such as internal resistance to yet another foreign monarch, making the people question if independence had really been achieved. The British couldn't let Norway fall into an enemies sphere of influence because of the importance of their location (especially if they get to keep their overseas territories), but a disloyal Norway might be hard to hold onto for long.
@whyops9862
@whyops9862 6 ай бұрын
You forget that unlike in our timeline Stalin probably would not be trusting the Germans nearly as much here and would not have massive parts of the Soviet armies be encircled at the start of the war.
@user-xe2sq8pq4b
@user-xe2sq8pq4b 6 ай бұрын
It doesnt really matter. At the end, Soviets will anyways fall
@TheRezro
@TheRezro 6 ай бұрын
Stalin never trusted Germans. He planned back stab them. But was backstabbed first. But in this scenario. West do not enter conflict with Germany. What happen before Great Patriotic War.
@GigaRoman
@GigaRoman 6 ай бұрын
What if everything went perfect for Monarchist Italy?
@Genburthing
@Genburthing 6 ай бұрын
Basically no Victoria Muttilada?
@GigaRoman
@GigaRoman 6 ай бұрын
@@Genburthing *yes*
@GigaRoman
@GigaRoman 6 ай бұрын
@@Genburthing also it's mutilata, not mutilada
@e_4210
@e_4210 6 ай бұрын
profile pic checks out
@GigaRoman
@GigaRoman 6 ай бұрын
@@e_4210 😂👍
@blackgold2589
@blackgold2589 6 ай бұрын
There’s many parts in this scenario that I find issue, chiefly with Germany and the USSR. But first, Stalin wasn’t ever going to give up on Finland, his paranoia drove the war due to issues of the proximity of Leningrad to Finland and Finland being used as a staging post, this actually happening with British and French forces would only increase this. At minimum Stalin isn’t giving up until he gets something from Finland and Finland, no matter how much support just can’t beat the USSR, there is only so much a tiny nation of a few million can do against something 20x it’s size. Even if it’s only a tiny strip of the mannerheim he will not stop until he gets it. Secondly, I doubt the idea that Germany would perform better in Barbarossa ittl than otl, by 1940 the German economy was completely broke they were utterly dependent on looting other countries just to keep functioning. These countries were primarily western, Hitler hoped to take from the east but the utter devastation meant that this just never happened, pretty much all the way until ‘45. Two, with peace in the west there really isn’t a way for Stalin to ignore reality about the Germans, 90% of German success was due to soviet incompetence and while the purges were a decent portion of that by far it was the fault of Stalin with warning a lot of the problems that came with this just don’t exist. The primary one being there are much fewer encirclements, and secondly that Soviet industry evacuates east much quicker than OTL, tbh I don’t understand how this would go worse ittl than otl, and that much of the Soviet airforce survives. Obviously the Soviet airforce is much inferior to the Germans but they are in a much better position to equalise and crucially aren’t so dependent on lend lease. No Lend lease in Barbarossa wouldn’t have much effect as lend lease wouldn’t really pick up until 42 Not to say that the USSR would curbstomp Germany, I’d imagine the initial push into the USSR achieves fewer gains than otl and the Soviet counterattack is worse, and then the Germans have much better success pushing into the caucuses but this doesn’t really get them anything, everything is still extremely scorched earth. Things are going worse for the Soviets but that doesn’t mean that the Germans are better off. But, as things go forward, the German army would eventually grind down the USSR without lend lease from the USA maybe even push them back to the Urals, but the idea that Eastern Europe is just going to ‘give in’ doesn’t make sense. Without distractions in the west and Germany being even more dependent off looting everything not nailed down it’s abundantly clear to everyone that this is literally victory or death anyone willing to give in would be quickly ‘gotten rid of’. And even if Soviet military capabilities, or whichever state replaces them, is ground down to where they can only do low intensity conflict Germany stills falls apart within the decade. A tiny nation of 60 million which has already lost millions of their best soldiers simply can’t occupy that much territory even if the populace wasn’t trying to kill them at every turn. As Germany begins to waste resources implementing their delusional Eastern European plans, which they have even less of without the money taken from the rich west, things begin to fall apart, there isn’t enough money to pay everyone, run the factories, and garrison the money sink of Eastern Europe, especially with the likelihood of western sanctions for things like the Holocaust which the Allies did in fact know about. likely things crumble on until 48 or 49 where everything falls apart at once revolts happen all over EE and whatever Uralian rump state sweeps in to the rest of Eastern Europe, the military coups the nsdap and either invites the west in for whatever good terms they can get, or just keeps falling apart until the west just walks in to minimal German resistance and whatever territory they still have left in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.
@oilybat3269
@oilybat3269 6 ай бұрын
Ikr that pissed me off too
@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead
@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead 6 ай бұрын
99% sure this video solely exists for ph to prove he's not biased towards the ussr.
@srpekka9892
@srpekka9892 6 ай бұрын
@@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead Well this isn't much better, as it's clearly biased towards Germany. The US Lend-Lease only accounted for 10% of Soviet production. Hitler also firmly believed that they just needed to "kick the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse". Germany's fatal mistake was underestimating the USSR's strenght, as they carried a massive undertaking relocating their entire industry to the Urals and out-produce the entire German economy by 1942. They didn't even equip the Wehrmacht with winter clothes as they genuinely thought they would have won by winter 1941.
@obnoxiousweeb9101
@obnoxiousweeb9101 6 ай бұрын
@@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead I honestly don’t know who’d claim ph is biased in favor of the USSR. He seems to appeal mostly to wehrbs in his modern age videos lately
@aarontownsend2320
@aarontownsend2320 6 ай бұрын
Oh brother we've got a chatterbox here
@kasperusdanversmauw
@kasperusdanversmauw 6 ай бұрын
"Come on guys, trust me! It will be his last demand!"
@ScuffTuff
@ScuffTuff 6 ай бұрын
There was a huge debate to attack the western colonies or the Soviets in Japan at the time. I would very much assume that in a situation where Japan is still trading with the west and the Soviets are getting shit kicked by the Germans, they’d be far more likely to attack outer Manchuria and eastern Siberia. I doubt they attack the western colonies yet when the Soviets are in such a compromised position.
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, definitely would be better to go after the Soviets, which would actually score them points with the west, while potentially opening up some more resources Also, without the drive to go to war with Germany, Japan becomes a less appealing foe for the West. In our timeline, war with Japan to exploit their alliance with Germany to get the war with Germany. In the presented timeline, no such motivation exists, because the Allies didn't go to war with Germany, but Germany did go to war against the Soviets, the perceived greater of 2 evils(in the presented timeline)
@waffleboywonder8868
@waffleboywonder8868 5 ай бұрын
But There just isn't a good enough reason for Japan to attack the Soviets. The eastern half of Siberia small pockets of oil aside was not resourceful enough to fuel the japanese war effort especially if they really wanted to have a fleet that could compare to their western counterparts. They would also be fighting an enemy who both outnumbered them and had significantly better tech even worse the Soviets would no doubt help reinforce China and vice versa at least to some extent rendering Japan's own technological advantage over china useless. It makes way more sense for Japan even if they are still trading with allies to wait for the perfect moment to pounce on European positions in Asia. The territories have way more resources, they are lightly defended on account of Germany either capturing their mainlands or distracting them, and have people who are willing to aid Japan remove Europeans from the soil, and while you could argue that it's unfair to judge Japan on hindsight the axis still aren't winning if japan dose attack the soviets in fact i say it doubles japans chances of having its northern island being turned into a soviet puppet. The only way I see Japan attacking the Soviets over the Allies is if it's led by a particularly mentally ill leader not unlike Hitler.
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын
@@waffleboywonder8868 If it's easy to take and already setup for use, why not go for it if you need it?
@waffleboywonder8868
@waffleboywonder8868 5 ай бұрын
@@InfernosReaper But that's the thing it won't be easy to take contrary to popular Believe the Soviets had a significant force stationed near manchuria through out the duration of the war meaning its unlikely even early on that the japanese will be able to push far beyond Vladivostok and that's if they can even take the city. The japanese were significantly far behind the west and the soviets in terms of tech and didn't have the guns nor tanks to counter the soviets on a large front. Remember the only reason the japanese advanced as far as they did was because they attacked lightly defended territories the Europeans didn't want to and or couldn't reinforce not to mention most were islands that had little to no military presence to begin with in contrast by the time the allies defeated Germany and refocused on Japan the japanese could do little outside of hide in caves and fake surrender and especially on the soviet front the japanese were pushed back fast and hard. The only large front the japanese had success in was China and that was only because the Chinese were even farther behind in terms of tech. And of course there were the border clashes that the japanese lost so bad they begged for Stalin to sign a non aggression pact heck the japanese were so scared of the soviets they refused to fire at American boats carrying Soviet lend lease. Point is the japanese couldn't invade Siberia even if they wanted to and they knew it they hoped that Hitler could march through Russia so that they could jump in when the soviets were so weak it wouldn't matter but that wasn't going to ever happen hence no Siberian invasion.
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын
@@waffleboywonder8868 They honestly weren't "significantly behind" though, at least not for most of what mattered Moreover, we're talking about in the scenario, not the real world. In the scenario, it's much more advantageous for the Japanese than it would've been in our timeline.
@gr4vityjuli4n
@gr4vityjuli4n 6 ай бұрын
I strongly believe that the German Economy (if they really focus on that department) can easily switch up from Military Technology and Weapons to more Industrialized and Economical Helping Areas. Weve seen it happening in our timeline with a much smaller and more reliant Germany so why not.
@Jackthecritic
@Jackthecritic 6 ай бұрын
you forget that even by 1939, germany was starting to enter a debt crisis, its revenue was 62 billion but its expenditure was over 101 billion and only by plundering defeated nations were they able to avoid a debt crisis. A time of peace with no new nations to plunder would have seen these problems come to the forefront and the german economy likely would have collapsed.
@gr4vityjuli4n
@gr4vityjuli4n 6 ай бұрын
@@Jackthecritic The German Economy also had those Problems to deal with after the War in our Timeline. They also dealt with that in our timeline and paid back the War Reparations in our Timeline (which probably wouldnt happen in this one but they did that in our). So no I did not forget that but its simply me basing it off the fact that a smaller and much more resource wise reliant Germany did it. Now a Germany with the grain Field of Ukraine and the Oil/Gas as well as Rare Earths in Russia? It should be possible.
@plasmakitten4261
@plasmakitten4261 6 ай бұрын
A German peacetime economy could have been quite strong. The issue is one of ideology. Fascism demands continuous military expansion and conflict to strengthen the race, and thus literally cannot support an extended period of peace engaged in anything but military preparations.
@dragon723.
@dragon723. 6 ай бұрын
@@plasmakitten4261 A savvy leader could probably have convinced his followers to focus on expansion into the new Lebensraum won from the untermenschen in the east. It would have taken centuries to actually replace the local population even with germanification of some.
@plasmakitten4261
@plasmakitten4261 6 ай бұрын
@@dragon723. I dont really think Hitler was that guy tho. He was much more of a "we will destroy them!" leadership-through-extreme-violence type. And besides, the genocide and shit is gonna leak eventually.
@lmaocetung
@lmaocetung 6 ай бұрын
1:14 Poland would probably join the war on the side of Germany. Polish-czechoslovakian relationship were absolutely horrible at that time because of Zaolize. Poland was one of the countries that carved up Czechoslovakia during the Munich crisis and many polish politicians adored Hitler
@gengarzilla1685
@gengarzilla1685 6 ай бұрын
And risk being labelled an enemy by the interventionist west? That's basically suicide. Poland would rather join the Allies side if that region could be ceded as compensation for Polish involvement.
@lmaocetung
@lmaocetung 6 ай бұрын
@@gengarzilla1685 that's a fair point. I just wanted to point out that if Britain and France had not defended Czechoslovakia, then Germany, Hungary and Poland would attack it. I simply don't like the popular idea that Poland was some kind of Germany's nemesis because it was too showing its very expansionist and imperialist tendencies
@Darwidx
@Darwidx 3 ай бұрын
Poland was basically stronger Belarus in the 30'. They're would try to Expander They're territory but would never do anything They're big ally, for Belarus It's Russia, but for 30' Poland it was France and UK, Poland would never side with enemy of UK and France with They're historical path. Siding with Germany for any big war wouldn't be possible if there were other options, Polish government choice a war with a huge population loss over that siding with German on the Gdańsk corridor, so Poles could grab closest Polish speaking regions, nothing more.
@leestewart72
@leestewart72 3 ай бұрын
Belarus could've been given to the Poles.
@SillyUwUBilly
@SillyUwUBilly 2 ай бұрын
​@@lmaocetungXF
@BartoszLimanowski
@BartoszLimanowski 6 ай бұрын
1:14 As a Pole, I say that Poland would probably side with the Germans in the war against Czechoslovakia and the Allies if the USSR tried to send a land army to Czechoslovakia, but if the Soviets had not joined the war, we would probably have been neutral until we accepted territorial offers from the Germans or from the allies just like the Italians during World War I, however, if the USSR joined the war to help Czechoslovakia, we would have to fight shoulder to shoulder with the Germans against the Soviets, because the Soviets' entry into Poland would end with Poland entering the Soviet zone.
@dmitrygerasimov7869
@dmitrygerasimov7869 6 ай бұрын
In my opinion it would be no less poor strategical choice by polish government
@therealnuggetball
@therealnuggetball 6 ай бұрын
​@@dmitrygerasimov7869that is simply how polish foreign policy was in the intewar period... The giant nationalism blinded thier eye
@BartoszLimanowski
@BartoszLimanowski 6 ай бұрын
@@dmitrygerasimov7869 Well letting Soviets go by the Polish lands could mean annexation of "Kresy" and it's Possible that Soviets could even do coup to take power from "Sanacja" goverment so if Soviets would tre to cross our borders we would have to fight against them at the side of Germans. In this situation, Romania would also have to maintain a defensive alliance with Poland against the USSR, so it would also form an alliance with Germany, although relations with Hungary would be difficult, but the Hungarians would probably get all of Slovakia instead of half of Transylvania, Unless a Soviet offensive managed to reach and save Czechoslovakia by taking over Lviv and surrondings.
@dmitrygerasimov7869
@dmitrygerasimov7869 6 ай бұрын
@@BartoszLimanowski Keep in mind that in such a scenario, if the Allies and the Soviet Union supported the integrity of Czechoslovakia in response to German aggression, then the Wehrmacht generals and Abwehr officials would have attempted a coup against Hitler. In any case, in the end, in 1938, the German-Polish-Hungarian-Romanian alliance would not have stood a chance against the three strongest countries in Europe.
@dmitrygerasimov7869
@dmitrygerasimov7869 6 ай бұрын
@@BartoszLimanowski By the way, as far as I remember, Romania also refused to let the Red Army through to save Czechoslovakia, but didn’t Romania and Czechoslovakia have mutual allied agreements then?
@Simonspacex
@Simonspacex 6 ай бұрын
You need to keep this series going! This could be really interesting!
@filberttheodorus3040
@filberttheodorus3040 6 ай бұрын
honestly, if we look on the 1930's German economy that relying heavily on MEFO bills and territorial conquest, their economy is vulnerable. Hitler wanted to go to war with the Czech because he knew, his economic plan is not viable in long term peace time to fuel his unreasonable ambition. if the apeasement continue, which will not followed by the subject of the appeasement itself (Poland, Balkan Nation, Baltic nation, etc), considering all the nation surrounding Germany has already seen the fate of the Austrian and Czech, wich lead to early war that the German not prepared, and with this, I expect German economy will crumble faster, and Hitler popularity will not as high as in our timeline.
@marcorivignanivaccari1664
@marcorivignanivaccari1664 6 ай бұрын
I think that another interesting scenario would be: What if Poland joins the axis?
@user-xe2sq8pq4b
@user-xe2sq8pq4b 6 ай бұрын
It will be very similar scenario
@idk-xp7kj
@idk-xp7kj 6 ай бұрын
That’s like saying « what if the jews sided with hitler? » my brother in Christ Poland is a Slavic country, hitler hated Slavs, why would Poland support a country that hates its existence ?
@juanon_industries7256
@juanon_industries7256 6 ай бұрын
The only way for that is stalin going full goblin mode and reigniting polish-soviet war, meanwhile (somehow?) Germany declares war on the ussr for i guess ideological reasons?, the german-soviet border will only be in lithuania and (big) maybe in romania
@edelweiss7928
@edelweiss7928 6 ай бұрын
That’s what Germany originally wanted, but Poland said no
@blobface7217
@blobface7217 6 ай бұрын
It could never be a long term alliance due to german beleifs on lebensraum
@NicoHert
@NicoHert 5 ай бұрын
Great video! I really like the narration!
@Britiainballvimxyl
@Britiainballvimxyl 6 ай бұрын
What if history went perfect for Poland?
@toadsterer747
@toadsterer747 6 ай бұрын
True
@ionutbogdanchis7250
@ionutbogdanchis7250 6 ай бұрын
Oh this is a topic il love to hear
@Eliktro
@Eliktro 6 ай бұрын
yes/tak
@poogmaster1
@poogmaster1 6 ай бұрын
Best possible timeline is Piludski survives. Hitler really liked Piludski and was considering inviting Poland to an alliance if he lived
@shivanshna7618
@shivanshna7618 6 ай бұрын
It will end with Poland having best space program in world with first person on moon be pzzvvcczvz kwolsjski from Krakow. So Poland can into space
@againsttheleftandright4065
@againsttheleftandright4065 5 ай бұрын
This video is extremely unrealistic for several reasons: 1) If Britain didn't guarantee to intervene militarily against Germany, POLAND AND GERMANY WOULD NOT HAVE GONE TO WAR. Poland would cede Danzig, and the Germans might have used the opportunity to seize parts of the Polish Corridor. However, the Germans would be careful to not instigate a larger conflict with Poland. So, there would be no Soviet invasion of Poland, no Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and no occupation of Poland at large. 2) Germany wanted Poland as a buffer state and potential ally against communism, which both the Germans and Poles viewed as a Jewish power. After Poland ceded Danzig, Germany would attempt to bring Poland into their alliance. 3) The Western Allies did not care about Finland to the extent that the civilian populations of America, France and Britain did. Churchill would not have given much aid to Finland, and even if they did, no amount of aid would have led to a Finnish victory. Finland was too far away, while it was also right on the Russian border. 4) There was most likely going to be a war with the USSR, so this part is correct. However, given that there was no western support in this timeline, a political collapse of the USSR is much more likely, rather than a military collapse. 5) This video makes a massive error with suggesting that a post-War Germany would be economically weak with the potential for dissent and collapse. For a historical example, the USSR was nearly destroyed by WW2, had lost tens of millions of people, and was a multi-ethnic empire. Despite this, it took 5 decades of western sanction, proxy conflicts, and propaganda for the USSR to collapse. Germany would have none of these problems. It would be a homogenous German nation, it would have lost only a few million people with the civilian population mostly unaffected, would have plenty of access to food, and would have an extremely popular and efficient government.
@AFGuidesHD
@AFGuidesHD 4 ай бұрын
"This video makes a massive error with suggesting that a post-War Germany would be economically weak with the potential for dissent and collapse." Yes, these alternate history channels always have to shovel this rubbish in lol. For political reasons they can't possibly say that actually the standard of living would be very high and everything would be great, just as it was for post war America IOTL. If Commie Russia didn't collapse, then Germany certainly wasn't going to either.
@567secret
@567secret 6 ай бұрын
What if Edward Wood, 1st Earl of Halifax had accepted the British premiership? (as opposed to it going to Churchill)
@rewriting-history
@rewriting-history 6 ай бұрын
Just watched my older video on this topic. I'm glad I was able to figure some stuff out, but looking back at it, my ending was very bad. I agree with your interpretation way more. Keep uploading, so I can keep learning!
@Fish_Priest
@Fish_Priest 2 ай бұрын
Well, this timeline excludes one, very important factor: british urge for balancing continental powers. Sooner or later, Germany would challenge UK and this is unacceptable, brits knew, that the painter have to be stopped and french army, if given enough time, would be prepared for that. Poland was only a casus belli, but in scale of great game, british-german conflict would be unavoidable and thus - described scenario unrealistic.
@JustAnotherGuy-vx4po
@JustAnotherGuy-vx4po 6 ай бұрын
Scenario Idea. What if the Hittite civilisation survived?
@danielsantiagourtado3430
@danielsantiagourtado3430 6 ай бұрын
The opening was so cool ! Amazing 😊😊😊😊😊
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 6 ай бұрын
Brilliant video, would love a Part 2!!! Appeasement ought to have either never been done, or else followed to its logical conclusion. Defending Czechoslovakia made far more sense than declaring war over Poland's invasion and then doing nothing about it.
@JustJ_KK
@JustJ_KK 6 ай бұрын
Less go have been waiting for this
@UdinJibral
@UdinJibral 6 ай бұрын
I was surprised by the opening 🗿
@zooman_expeditions8984
@zooman_expeditions8984 6 ай бұрын
Amazing I will definitely use this as one of my scenairos!
@MakriaMicronation
@MakriaMicronation 6 ай бұрын
6:02 hearing the British celebrate about a German victory in the 1940s is the most cursed thing ever😭😭😭💀💀💀
@orgluzman561Peace_IL_PS
@orgluzman561Peace_IL_PS 6 ай бұрын
can i ask Possible History what about the last poll you did on the versailles peace treaty it's a was month already?
@Jackson-uq9qg
@Jackson-uq9qg 6 ай бұрын
Germany: I want London Britain: Okay but final conquest
@fr0ntend
@fr0ntend 6 ай бұрын
Do a video on: "Was WW2 overall good or bad for the USSR"? WW2 caused: enormous death toll of the country a ton of land gained once the war was over basically ownership of half of germany, poland, all of romania and hugnary a good grip on an international scale a lot of destruction of the country animosity between the communists and the west Was it overall good or bad for ussr?
@FodaseNaoLigo
@FodaseNaoLigo 6 ай бұрын
Pretty mildly, ussr lost many man buy they gained a superpower position , but if germany never invaded ussr they will invade germany and gain influence anyways, causing less destruction
@muhammadhabibieamiro3639
@muhammadhabibieamiro3639 6 ай бұрын
Another amazing video
@mr.originality1005
@mr.originality1005 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting I gotta say. I guess this video could also be titled what if the Allies focused on the Soviets instead of the Germans in the 30’s and 40’s or something along those lines. Great video, and great alternate history you’ve made
@scottwhailin2617
@scottwhailin2617 6 ай бұрын
Would love to see a continuation of this. The alternate Cold War sounds fascinating
@ethanfranzen8684
@ethanfranzen8684 2 ай бұрын
I would love a continuation of this scenario!
@bordigotto6603
@bordigotto6603 6 ай бұрын
I think the axis would divide Yugoslavia before invading the USSR if they saw the West were not intervening, bringing Bulgaria into the alliance in the process
@kubusbeee
@kubusbeee 6 ай бұрын
What if everything went perfect for Poland???
@TheRezro
@TheRezro 6 ай бұрын
Ironically it did...
@mrvoice3436
@mrvoice3436 6 ай бұрын
​@@TheRezroI wouldn't describe losing your entire country for 200 years as "perfect"
@Bluesonofman
@Bluesonofman 6 ай бұрын
Czechia was not annexed, they where vassalized as the former leader of Czechoslovakia now just Czechia as Slovakia basically considered themselves independent (until Hungary made moves against them) was desperate for protection and Hitler was the only one willing to provide it on the condition that former Austrian industry was returned to Germany.
@tommort8360
@tommort8360 3 ай бұрын
czechoslovakia was annexed, some deal with hitler was just a show because when this deal wasnt even done german army was alredy on czechoslovak territory.
@Bluesonofman
@Bluesonofman 3 ай бұрын
@@tommort8360 Czechoslovakia no longer existed by the time the Czech state was absorbed into Germany. It was reestablished by the Soviet Union. During the entirety of WW2 there was no Czechoslovakian nation. Only Czechia and Slovakia as separate political entities.
@brawlstarsdoge
@brawlstarsdoge 6 ай бұрын
pog, a possible history video
@KCAerospace
@KCAerospace 6 ай бұрын
There should be a continuation to this ngl.
@onlyagermanguy
@onlyagermanguy 6 ай бұрын
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure the Allies were completely aware of Germany's Crimes. They just didn't care or didn't wanted to cause a conflict over that
@edelweiss7928
@edelweiss7928 6 ай бұрын
They never committed any crimes
@onlyagermanguy
@onlyagermanguy 6 ай бұрын
@@edelweiss7928 Piss of edge lord
@saintaclaws1957
@saintaclaws1957 2 ай бұрын
What crimes, the night of the long knives?
@Finn_the_Cat
@Finn_the_Cat 3 ай бұрын
Remember if the allies are at peace with germany they can send supplies through the baltic with impunity, the main issue with it was it would be attacked in the baltic especially if it was the soviets and germans at once but with only the soviets it should be manageable
@Finn_the_Cat
@Finn_the_Cat 3 ай бұрын
Also because heightened allied intervention the soviets would likely cal it a war of liberating the Finns against the western tyranny because their defense is thanks to western support, irl the Finns made it clear there was no liberation because they resisted on their own but here the idea is tangible by saying the western forces are proping up their government so it would likely be more decisive than in our timeline
@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk
@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk 5 ай бұрын
What people tend to forget and also don't like to mention because they don't want anything positive to be said about the big moustache man is that Germany's case for a lot of the things they requested wasn't really unjustified. I think this is really important when talking about appeasement. People always talk about Austria-hungaries instability and how it wasn't really right for the Austrian empire to be so overextended with other nationalities but Yugoslavia and chzechoslovakia were basically just mini Austria Hungary's. Chzechoslovakian identity didn't even exist before the creation of that state and was only created as a counter balance to the fact that Germans were so numerous in chzechoslovakia they needed a majority that was sizable enough to keep the germans in check. To give you an example.more Germans lived in chzechoslovakia then slovaks with most of them living in majority areas. Same goes for Ukrainians, poles , hungarians and slovaks. All of these areas didn't actually want to be part of chzechoslovakia. Just after ww1 the Austrian republic was born which included all sudeten territories and immediately tried to join the weimar republic but was forbidden from doing so. Then the sudeten territories were ripped from the Austrian republic and given to chzechoslovakia. They were promised certain rights they never got in the end. The germans of chzechoslovakia genuinely wanted to join Germany but chzechoslovakia wouldn't have it and suppressed all political activity and the germans pretty much themselves. They even put forward a bill which I don't remember which was about German rights in chzechoslovakia (political and otherwise) that was actually rejected by the chzechoslovakian state. I genuinely think it wasn't unreasonable at all for Germany to demand these territories as the people themselves wanted to join Germany. But after the Munich agreement the other minorities in chzechoslovakia wanted to join their respective nations as well and the country crumbled in on itself. Germany took advantage of it and made some chzechoslovakian government officials sign for Germany to "stabilise the region" and make a protectorate while dividing the other areas to the other nations like Hungary for example.
@spartanalex9006
@spartanalex9006 5 ай бұрын
Reminds me of an idea I had for a Scenario I called The War that Came Late. Basically the War started in the Mid 40s as an excuse to play with late and post war toys. Bit ASB, but I had fun with it.
@buni1934
@buni1934 6 ай бұрын
Acting like the allies were not aware of german crimes against humanity Is a good joke
@abrvalg321
@abrvalg321 6 ай бұрын
It's a big stretch that USSR would achieve nothing in Finland and just collapse against Germany.
@GaemingStudios
@GaemingStudios 6 ай бұрын
The Finland one yeah but the Germany one is pretty obvious
@b3ygghsas
@b3ygghsas 4 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be so sure, one of the main reasons that caused finland to cede their territories to the USSR was the lack of oil, in this timeline they have a lot of support from the west
@abrvalg321
@abrvalg321 4 ай бұрын
@@b3ygghsas Finland had support irl.
@b3ygghsas
@b3ygghsas 4 ай бұрын
@@abrvalg321 He said in the video that finaldn got a lot more support in this timeline and even volunteers
@abrvalg321
@abrvalg321 4 ай бұрын
@@b3ygghsas did you study history at all or just propaganda from reddit? irl Finland got 12k volunteers, 350 planes, 500 howitzers, 100k rifles, 160mln bullets, 2,5 mln shells.
@peekdan
@peekdan 6 ай бұрын
we need a part 2 for this
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын
It's weird Japan wouldn't take advantage of the crumbling situation with the Soviets to score Siberia and improve their image in the eyes of the West
@Null_ify550
@Null_ify550 6 ай бұрын
Great video as always I like narration you added and wish to see this in future videos
@Tom-jg9de
@Tom-jg9de 6 ай бұрын
Good stuff sir
@babbagecabbage9249
@babbagecabbage9249 6 ай бұрын
What if everything went perfect for Spain? (I think this would be most interesting if you start at the war of Spanish Succession)
@N_002countryballs
@N_002countryballs 6 ай бұрын
i REALLY want a part 2 to this
@user-xe2sq8pq4b
@user-xe2sq8pq4b 6 ай бұрын
To be honest, it is very difficult to predict what will happen next. Will France and Britain intervene in the coming civil war in the Third Reich? which warlord will unite Ukraine? which warlord will unite Belarus? which warlord will unite the Baltics? Which warlord will unite Central Asia? it's all very unpredictable
@Justplaying478
@Justplaying478 Ай бұрын
war with finland would not have happend because stalin backed on the idea that the alais were distracted by the war with germany
@KCAerospace
@KCAerospace 6 ай бұрын
The vintage narrator sounds perfect. Good job!
@22LongRifle
@22LongRifle 6 ай бұрын
Can you make a "What if everything went PERFECT for Japan" video?
@weiss7002
@weiss7002 6 ай бұрын
Idea: What if the Decembrist Revolt in 1825 succeeded?
@holyblee618
@holyblee618 6 ай бұрын
Great usage of ai voices, hopefully you will use it more in the next videos ❤
@johnburn8031
@johnburn8031 6 ай бұрын
I'm a subscriber! 🙋🏻‍♂️
@germanempire8678
@germanempire8678 6 ай бұрын
Bro's mic quality dropped in the start faster than weimar's economy
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 Ай бұрын
@Possible History What if the sudentenland was given to Germany in the Munich argeement but it was declared a demilitarised zone for the German army with the Czech army still allowed to deploy there. Ie it was only a civilian transfer and the military borders remained the same?
@MrOceMcCool
@MrOceMcCool 4 ай бұрын
This is like a really weird version of TNO and TWR.
@akiramasashi9317
@akiramasashi9317 6 ай бұрын
Here's one for you, what if Operation Valkyrie had succeeded?
@TheRezro
@TheRezro 6 ай бұрын
British would cry. That was worst option.
@radored7750
@radored7750 6 ай бұрын
Great video
@whitehawk4099
@whitehawk4099 6 ай бұрын
The reason for Indian independence was British desire to reduce the costs from their colonies, because of devastation from the way and increased costs from the NHS. Why, in this scenario where neither are likely, does India gain independence?
@marekcmonster1937
@marekcmonster1937 Ай бұрын
"I conquered Europe simply by asking"
@oyungogdfrust4136
@oyungogdfrust4136 6 ай бұрын
i love how this is just tno but the allies are unaffected and the japanese are crushed
@tanarur4707
@tanarur4707 6 ай бұрын
What if Franz Ferdinand became Franz II? I though about this scenario a lot and I think it would be the Catholic pipe dream (he wanted to reorganise Austria Hungary federally in a Catholic centered and not German culture centered way). It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this.
@pahtar7189
@pahtar7189 2 ай бұрын
What if the Vikings had succeeded in settling Vinland? I think it would require a change of mindset such that they didn't discount the notion of learning from indigenous people, and perhaps allying with them.
@wargamesmaster
@wargamesmaster 6 ай бұрын
What if Eastern Rome was able to resist the Rashidun Califate and keep the levant & Egypt?
@saalok
@saalok 6 ай бұрын
I was thinking this the other day, neat.
@jes3d
@jes3d 6 ай бұрын
i love the microphone
@Blundabus1337
@Blundabus1337 6 ай бұрын
Allies be like "we did it, we saved poland!" and then give them to a worse dictator, lol.
@notsostealthmission5184
@notsostealthmission5184 6 ай бұрын
Only main issue I have with this is the absence of a world map. I’d assume the Germans stop at the Ural Mountains though
@brenoecb8506
@brenoecb8506 6 ай бұрын
could you please continue this scenario into the cold war?
@ivansenpaid9486
@ivansenpaid9486 3 ай бұрын
Consideration that the soviet union would definitely be ready for that kind of invasion . Soviet officers where not stupid and unlike our timeline that Stalin hold back the soviet army at the start in fear of getting bad diplomatic with Germany, we could definitely expect a great stall at the start of the war since the whole soviet army would be waiting for the germans and not sitting still like they were in our timeline ,their airforce wouldn't be easily destroyed in the airfields. We could definitely expect some germans advance after 6 months of war. But to expect german war machine to do better is just unrealistic even without allied bombings. We could totally expect some allied help to the Soviets ,since western powers even do didn't like the communists the didn't like the idea of a Continental nazy Germany. My best guess would be that white peace after a war more grinding than our Soviet-german war of our timeline . With perhaps the a coup from the army and a early break of the soviet union.
@gintautassickus6390
@gintautassickus6390 6 ай бұрын
When's the next viewer poll video?
@Oobacadooba
@Oobacadooba 6 ай бұрын
Can't wait for Late Midieval Empires video! Hope you had a good break PH
@Cassertte
@Cassertte 6 ай бұрын
When will the video about the viewers deciding the borders of post ww1 be released?
@manuledictateurapleintemps2683
@manuledictateurapleintemps2683 4 ай бұрын
Well, Mussolini being Mussolini, I expect him to do his usual mess and actually slowing the Germans and/or dragging them in the dumbest war possible 😂
@Jacob13044
@Jacob13044 2 ай бұрын
How do you make your maps they're amazing
@DensApri
@DensApri 6 ай бұрын
You got the Japan section completely wrong. While the Japanese navy wanted south-east Asia, the Japanese army wanted Siberia and with a crumbling Soviet regime there's no doubt the latter would have won the internal power struggle and Japan would have gone north-west instead of attacking the Allies.
@aarohalme1020
@aarohalme1020 6 ай бұрын
Guess there won't be any more Polish people in this timeline, with other minorities also being decimated. A very dark timeline. The only thing I could maybe see going different is the Soviets simply throwing more men into Finland to win, since Finland couldn't hold forever (though with horrific casualties), and them maybe holding territories east of the urals post war. An American puppet might even be still established if Japan had occupied those territories.
@plexusGD
@plexusGD 6 ай бұрын
What if the constantinople conference was accepted and the 1877 russo turkish war doesn't happen?
@AidenKetchum
@AidenKetchum Ай бұрын
How do you make the maps in your videos?
@therealnuggetball
@therealnuggetball 6 ай бұрын
Maybe a longer: what if Czechoslovakia didn't concede to the German demands
@xamixadze
@xamixadze 6 ай бұрын
Video idea: what if the Oster Conspiracy happened?
@yan5610
@yan5610 6 ай бұрын
In the setting the Japanese wouldn't have to strike at the west for oil while USSR is in complete decay. They would have strike north
@BrandonBDN
@BrandonBDN 6 ай бұрын
I think Japan would strike Russia rather than western countries, importing oil from Germany and its allies as they don’t have to deal with the royal and American navies
@PalauBallEdits
@PalauBallEdits 6 ай бұрын
Continue the empires series! It is so exciting!
@volbound1700
@volbound1700 6 ай бұрын
Agree about Soviets but also add the fact, the USSR had 2 less years to prepare to fight Germany as well.
@affenimperator9155
@affenimperator9155 6 ай бұрын
7:38 Disagree on that. The Japanese mostly attacked becauce of the Oil embargo. Which was in Place because of Anexion of French Indo China. Oil Embargo wouldn`t hapen in this Timeline. After the first defeats of the Soviets, Japan would attack the Soviet Union.
@ASTER_GEO
@ASTER_GEO 6 ай бұрын
Hitlie successor would be Speer(TNO REFERENCE)
@dividewalker5673
@dividewalker5673 6 ай бұрын
Oh jesus christ no, this looks like it's going to be painful...
@mikaelvalter-lithander1247
@mikaelvalter-lithander1247 5 ай бұрын
Regarding the Winter War, you forget that Norway and Sweden refused passage of French and British troops through their territory. While the main reason for this in our timeline is that they did not want to aid France and Britain while they were at war with Germany, there would still probably be fears that the Western Allies would occupy the Swedish iron mines and the adjacent Norwegian coast. It is at least more complicated than presented here.
@kuroazrem5376
@kuroazrem5376 6 ай бұрын
This is very interesting.
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