What If Every Relic DOUBLES All Damage?!

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Frost Prime

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Жыл бұрын

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@BlackTempleGaurdian
@BlackTempleGaurdian Жыл бұрын
In case chat didn't figure it out, when you had N relics, it was multiplying by (2N), rather than (2^N), which is the difference between 1.17M and 306.
@jamesbarnett5283
@jamesbarnett5283 Жыл бұрын
I would have expected them to scale multiplicatively, but yes. Kinda lame ngl.
@prototype1795
@prototype1795 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbarnett5283 Isn’t 2^N exponential? 2N is still multiplicative, right?
@Patrick-mq9fl
@Patrick-mq9fl Жыл бұрын
Each one says double so multiplicatively would be expressed 2^N because double doubled is 2x2 then double that is 4x2 then double that is 8x2 which is written as 2^N where as here its adding 2 instead so 2+2 is 4+2 is 6+2 is 8 which is expressed as 2N.
@prototype1795
@prototype1795 Жыл бұрын
@@Patrick-mq9fl This took me longer to work out than I’d care to admit.
@LE_Arasaka
@LE_Arasaka Жыл бұрын
In chat’a defense that is how it works in Risk of Rain. If you have 3 shaped glass you have 800% damage, add another it’d be 1600%
@robingates-redburg582
@robingates-redburg582 Жыл бұрын
Upset that n shaped glass multiplies damage by 2n instead of 2^n 😔
@andreiy3177
@andreiy3177 Жыл бұрын
maybe it crashes the game when you reach a certain amount of dmg?
@cphyk6923
@cphyk6923 Жыл бұрын
@@andreiy3177 Nahh just checked it’s x(n*2) not n*2^x sadly :/
@tetraminus
@tetraminus Жыл бұрын
Mod Developer here! at the time this was recorded, the damage was calculated by 2n, but the mod now calculates exponentially. Maybe he'll do a run with the more bingus bongus version in the future.
@zitronenwasser
@zitronenwasser Жыл бұрын
This might make the heart fight impossible if no intangible is used, it would deal above 999 damage fairly easily (always happens at 10+ shaped glass), and just insta kill you
@xelspeth
@xelspeth Жыл бұрын
@@zitronenwasser The heart fight is impossible without intangible regardless of 2n or 2^n, lol. Frost would've taken 72 dmg per card played. And with intangible both would play out pretty much like in the video except frost would've won a card earlier So the difference between 2n and 2^n has close to no effect on the heart fight
@seasuper3402
@seasuper3402 Жыл бұрын
Theory: stomps until he finds thorns enemy or the heart, no chance of winning Edit: in my defence I didn't know intangible actually worked properly
@steamtasticvagabond474
@steamtasticvagabond474 Жыл бұрын
I also assumed it would affect intangible like how Boot punches through Nemesis
@jacobziewitz1835
@jacobziewitz1835 Жыл бұрын
It didn't last time.
@wyhiobcarlile4879
@wyhiobcarlile4879 Жыл бұрын
in the last video it didn't
@RematodeRanger
@RematodeRanger Жыл бұрын
@@wyhiobcarlile4879 it did, but the visuals were bugged, so it would show stuff like "4x6" but you'd only take 1x6 when the damage was applied
@Elemental-Phoenix
@Elemental-Phoenix Жыл бұрын
It's really funny that it's a linear scaling rather than an exponential scaling because an exponential scaling would probably would hit the integer overflow real quick. Edit: I did some math and I think you'd need 28-30 relics for overflow so yeah I don't think overflow is possible here.
@tomekk.1889
@tomekk.1889 22 күн бұрын
Year late but it depends on what type of integer it is. Not every integer is the same size
@yannismpa3701
@yannismpa3701 Жыл бұрын
First Glass: Double Damage Second Glas: Quadruple Damage Third Glass: Sextuple Damage Fourth Glass: Octuple You get the Gist. it only properly doubles on the first glass. After that it just adds 2 to the multiplier.
@thecubist3817
@thecubist3817 Жыл бұрын
11:41 With the way that the damage was scaling in this run, at the point when he upgraded corpse explosion it was doing 306 damage.
@adrad
@adrad Жыл бұрын
2:35 shouldn't strike deal 48 damage there? 6x2x2x2=48. First glass doubled it to 12, second glass doubled it to 24, but the third glass added only 12. And all consequent relics only add 12 damage to all strikes. Like in 7:51 it does 156 damage which is 12 times 13 (1 less than number of relics) instead of 98 304. I know that number sounds insane, so probably it shouldn't do that, but I assumed the relics would keep doubling damage indefinetely.
@krankarvolund7771
@krankarvolund7771 Жыл бұрын
I think the relics are not coded to say "double the number of damage" but "add a number of damage equal to the base damage". When you have one relic, the effect is the same, but when you have multiple it scale a lot less quickly ^^
@JordyFidis
@JordyFidis Жыл бұрын
​@@krankarvolund7771 the second glass wouldn't double the damage in that case. It's either a bunch of spaghetti code (likely) or the relic description is just incorrect (already the case)
@xuklysc
@xuklysc Жыл бұрын
​@@krankarvolund7771 I think it is actually weirder, when he has 17 relics he has times 34 damage. So it appears to be damage -=base damagexnum relicsx2
@mathpuzzler9563
@mathpuzzler9563 Жыл бұрын
Calculations in this video are messed up. Originally Frost got 2 shape of glass in a run, and the mod creator was watching and quickly hardcoded a new mod that made them stack for the run. I'm guessing that the mod creator either made each subsequent shape of glass increase damage by a fixed amount or there's a conflict with relic stacking mod, if that was on.
@JordyFidis
@JordyFidis Жыл бұрын
@@mathpuzzler9563 the creator patched it because his mod has a relic which duplicates another relic, so you can get 2 copies of that relic without additional mods, but ONLY 2 copies, so making code that works for more than 2 would've taken more work and been unnecessary without additional mods.
@NatambaKO
@NatambaKO Жыл бұрын
Just finished the previous Risk of Relics video to see that this one is all done. Time to see numbers go crazy.
@brianlawver3396
@brianlawver3396 Жыл бұрын
Watched this on stream but liking and commenting for the algo :) This is a great run and the ROR2 mod in general looks great!
@BCfightan
@BCfightan Жыл бұрын
Holy moly my heart sank during the transient fight.. I thought he forgot to use his potion and was about to die until I remembered his other passive lol
@ipsnip5828
@ipsnip5828 Жыл бұрын
Always take shaped glass is both true for ror2 and this mod
@BunnyWitchcraft
@BunnyWitchcraft Жыл бұрын
GO BIG OR GO HOME
@VoidicHerald
@VoidicHerald Жыл бұрын
I smoked for the first time in a while and got a tad too high. Turns out Frost's voice makes me feel safe👀
@VivBrodock
@VivBrodock Жыл бұрын
the poison of Corpse Explosion was 9*2^X where X is your number of shaped glasses. Which at the time was 17 of the relic Which should be 1179648 After doing some some math, Dagger throw being 306 damage that's 9*34 so 9(2*17) which I think is actually how the mod is calculating damage. At 2 Glass it would be the same as doubling twice, but once you go beyond it's not going to behave exponentially like it should be instead it's going to be a linear increase of B(2X) X is the number of glass B is the base damage of the card.
@carbonbeaker409
@carbonbeaker409 Жыл бұрын
That's pretty much how it works in the game
@woahdotoah
@woahdotoah Жыл бұрын
nope, in ror2 its exponential. its why taking 1 stack isnt nearly as good as more- once you have gotten rid of one shot prot you might aswell go all the way and get a fat stack of X8 DAMAGE LMAO (at 3 stacks)
@carbonbeaker409
@carbonbeaker409 Жыл бұрын
@@woahdotoah In RoR2 what it does is add 100% damage modifier per stack at two stacks it's 200% at three stacks it's 300% and so on, it doesn't double each time. Go to the risk of rain wiki if you want to confirm.
@woahdotoah
@woahdotoah Жыл бұрын
@@carbonbeaker409 incorrect, it is exponential (and even says on the wiki wtf u didnt look??)
@carbonbeaker409
@carbonbeaker409 Жыл бұрын
@@woahdotoah Did you read beyond only the word exponential? Yes it is exponential. In that it has diminishing returns. Read what the item actually says, and then do the math, or is that asking too much for accurate info to be spread?
@illunimous7694
@illunimous7694 Жыл бұрын
Andrew: "NOOO my watchtime revenue!" Frost: big number go BRRRRRRR
@LankanLatino
@LankanLatino Жыл бұрын
*reads title & thumbnail* "Oh this is gonna be a short ass video" *checks video length* "Yeahyeahyeahyeah lets do this"
@Siennarchist
@Siennarchist Жыл бұрын
Watching chat backseat correctly and get shut down is so unbelievably hilarious
@daltonblaze926
@daltonblaze926 Жыл бұрын
On these runs wouldn’t the upgrade all cards still give you a relic? Cause the anti healing is a relic?
@evanvollbrecht541
@evanvollbrecht541 Жыл бұрын
Poggiest run I’ve ever seen, had to watch this in normal speed instead of the usual 1.5/2x just to savor it properly 🗣
@kyuu452
@kyuu452 Жыл бұрын
LET HIM SHAPE
@flex8406
@flex8406 Жыл бұрын
the math isn't mathing, if he had 19 relics that double all damage and stack on top, he's damage would be multiplied by 2^19 or 524288 times
@-VINihilist-
@-VINihilist- Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this one! Thanks andrew!
@michealjackson3520
@michealjackson3520 Жыл бұрын
The best part of this video is knowing it means frost hit 1k viewers again :)
@kman6004
@kman6004 Жыл бұрын
Kind of cool but that relic does NOT double damage. There is some seriously wild spaghetti math going on
@toangreenlow2229
@toangreenlow2229 Жыл бұрын
Tbf it's doubling damage, but not doubling the double. It's like 6 damage goes to 12, but 12 does not go to 24. Instead, it goes to 18, so if you have a card that deals 6 damage, and you have ten of those relics, you'll do 60 damage
@Zorgdub
@Zorgdub Жыл бұрын
That was surprisingly tight at the end.
@daxive4918
@daxive4918 Жыл бұрын
9:11 my mother came into my room asking if i am ok xD
@lincolnveldier8913
@lincolnveldier8913 7 ай бұрын
bro i saw the title, was like "oh yeah modded ror2 run in the background while i play Slay the spire" and then im hearing slay the spire noises "wait didnt i turn sound off??" XD
@drowsyspook3455
@drowsyspook3455 Жыл бұрын
First stream i've ever catched
@ethanhuffman5934
@ethanhuffman5934 Жыл бұрын
Damn that Boon Stomper guy sounds really cool and awesome and everyone should be his friend
@juliusz.1373
@juliusz.1373 Жыл бұрын
So clever, wearing a daredevil hat in the Intro!
@NatalieExists
@NatalieExists 3 ай бұрын
if the 9 poison somehow played out until it ran out over time, it would have done 1,530 damage in total btw
@cocoa25121
@cocoa25121 Жыл бұрын
So looking at the transiant fight, it is only double and it keeps the original, this means malase and piercing wale would have been a good pick
@Moist_Capybara
@Moist_Capybara Жыл бұрын
I have never seen the 100 subs before. I wish Frost has a wiki that showed all the screen overlays, chat triggers and explain jokes I don’t know
@deadzior
@deadzior Жыл бұрын
It's funny that the streamer has done multiple runs of this challenge, and chat still spams in the end that the damage is 2^n
@vfrostbane225
@vfrostbane225 Жыл бұрын
Genuinely disappointed that its +100% damage not 2x damage. i understand that the exponential numbers would have been insane but still :c
@4WindSushi
@4WindSushi Жыл бұрын
I guess this happend yesterday :D i missed the stream sadly. but happy for content :)
@OyasumiVash
@OyasumiVash Жыл бұрын
Wow excellent content :)
@chocolatecake50000
@chocolatecake50000 Жыл бұрын
Great run much dmg
@Benusr
@Benusr 8 ай бұрын
I can't believe how strong corpse explosion is!!! 1,179,648 poison damage for only 2 energy!!
@iamthedorkygamer
@iamthedorkygamer Жыл бұрын
Saw the title and literally pogged lmao
@OrderAndDiscord
@OrderAndDiscord Жыл бұрын
This wasnt a run this was a speedrun.
@cindericedemon
@cindericedemon Жыл бұрын
First time seeing this dude, and he's literally a Wal-Mart NorthernLion lmao. He even uses the same fucking inflections. Genuinely curious if they are from the same city or dopplegangers.
@the_dennator7723
@the_dennator7723 Жыл бұрын
it apparently DOES work like wrath! Loo at the transient fight!
@PrOzielonek
@PrOzielonek Жыл бұрын
I love the fact that is bypassed 200 dmg cap, but still he would have won nextturn from poison without playing any cards gg
@DarStaal
@DarStaal Жыл бұрын
WE DID IT BOYS GLASS CANNON BUILD
@diegofernandez8981
@diegofernandez8981 Жыл бұрын
Came to mention how shaped glass isnt exponential but linear. But there are so many comments on that already
@aWildKITsune
@aWildKITsune Жыл бұрын
The shaped glass in this game only works as +100% rather than x2.
@TheOrnitie
@TheOrnitie Жыл бұрын
Day 238 of coming from Twitch just to drop a like and a comment for my boy Andrew. DOUBLE THE POG
@kennyshlds
@kennyshlds Жыл бұрын
Love the video just one question Mr Streamer technically in act 3 when you got the event to upgrade all cards but fought Act 1 Boss. Wouldn't upgrade all cards still give you the same relic because mark of bloom would be shaped glass? 22?
@aquaticlandwhalebepsi2057
@aquaticlandwhalebepsi2057 Жыл бұрын
boss reward could have wraith form
@tnk4me4
@tnk4me4 Жыл бұрын
That run was so fast
@anybodyelse2050
@anybodyelse2050 Жыл бұрын
A claw deck in this challenge would pop off ngl
@Karl_Smink
@Karl_Smink 8 ай бұрын
Yep. Relics are doing +100% damage, not *2 damage.
@liesalllies
@liesalllies Жыл бұрын
7:19 😂
@gofer123guy
@gofer123guy Жыл бұрын
mathematically thousand cuts was 2048 damage per turn to all enemies when he would have picked it up.
@magicfibre
@magicfibre Жыл бұрын
I'm slightly upset the relics don't stack 2^n I hoped to see you deal tens of thousands of damage by act 3
@ktownpunkjr.1946
@ktownpunkjr.1946 Жыл бұрын
Poison build might have been better given the natural scaling already, especially with the corpse explosion interaction
@nuke_hazard18_23
@nuke_hazard18_23 Жыл бұрын
Hell yea that was a banger stream, whoever reads this should go watch his stream, entertaining guy.
@drsherifff
@drsherifff Жыл бұрын
I had a wonderful 4/20 as it was my birthday!
@willsenay
@willsenay Жыл бұрын
Some really weird math in these comments. It’s damage*2*number of relics. So his 9 damage attack dealt 306 because 9*2*17(how many relics he had at the time)=306
@thaddeusgenhelm8979
@thaddeusgenhelm8979 Жыл бұрын
The mod creator has said he has recoded it to properly double double double, etc. now, amusingly.
@nhieronymusb
@nhieronymusb Жыл бұрын
Now do it with claws. Much love btw. ❤
@penzZed
@penzZed Ай бұрын
FUNNY RIDK OF RAIN RELIC ‼️‼️‼️
@SkilledTadpole
@SkilledTadpole Жыл бұрын
Could someone please help wash off some of Tristan's BOOM off my face?
@Chicken_Basket_of_KFC
@Chicken_Basket_of_KFC 8 ай бұрын
Imagin if he got upgraded searing blow a lot😊
@swmybeloved
@swmybeloved Жыл бұрын
Poggy woggy
@theboredguy733
@theboredguy733 Жыл бұрын
Did they end up crabbing after the run?
@tophatowl6724
@tophatowl6724 Жыл бұрын
I understand the confusion because the title is wrong. If every relic doubled damage, then the first would give you 2x(damage), the second would do 2x2x(damage), third would do 2x2x2x(damage) and so on giving you (damage)^number of relics. What it REALLY does is (2+2+2)x(damage). These are not the same and the reson that a shiv does 144 damage by the end and not 500k. If it actually doubled the damage every time, this run would be even more trivial because you 1 shot everything and you stop picking up relics after you deal 200 with a single attack due to the hearts "beat" damage
@andrewsanders17
@andrewsanders17 Жыл бұрын
After the final shaped glass from the elite the poison damage does 2,359,296 damage also fun fact if that run was verifiable it would put frost at spot 10 for unseeded a20
@lanecordy704
@lanecordy704 Жыл бұрын
if piercing wail makes the base number 0 then 0*2^X is still zero
@sevenayashinedown1283
@sevenayashinedown1283 Жыл бұрын
How many relics does he need for an integer overload?
@thomascantwell5345
@thomascantwell5345 Жыл бұрын
When you were one of the 1000 POGGERS
@PrinceZiggy11
@PrinceZiggy11 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@iamnothere3878
@iamnothere3878 Жыл бұрын
Everyone is this stream skipped the exponents math class lesson to attend 4/20. Becuase only the cool kids watch frost prime.
@LexUmbra
@LexUmbra Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting
@JoeAlex01
@JoeAlex01 Жыл бұрын
POGGIES
@MiniWhiteDragon
@MiniWhiteDragon Жыл бұрын
How do we beat the heart?
@codexstudios
@codexstudios Жыл бұрын
8:41
@h.p.sabjion4247
@h.p.sabjion4247 Жыл бұрын
The way the dmg is alculated is really weird. It doesn't double the current dmg; example, shiv with 3 shaped glasses isn't dealing 4*2*2*2, but instead is doing 4*2*3, becasue you have 3 shaped galsses. That's why we don't see numbers like milions which the wording of shaped glass suggests it would do after stacking. To be sure with my math at 12:12 we see dagger throw, normally it deals 9 damage. We see it deal 306 damage. So obvously it can't be 9*2^17 (frost has 17 shaped glasses) becasue that would be 1.179.648 dmg. Instead it is 9*2*17. I'm really curious wheter making the damage a root of something is hard. I suppouse it's easier to hard code in numbers to just multiply with smaller numbers. Prob could also make the text on cards unreadable at some point or number overflow so it'd make things like that quite irrelevent
@BigSmoke-wd5cq
@BigSmoke-wd5cq Жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes yes yes
@TheGaMePlAyEcKe
@TheGaMePlAyEcKe Жыл бұрын
But when do you give it to the next person?
@AvangionQ
@AvangionQ Жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@chazdobegaming
@chazdobegaming Жыл бұрын
I wonder if damage doubled
@XdeadsoulXful
@XdeadsoulXful Жыл бұрын
youtube always has the math
@matthijskuijpers1378
@matthijskuijpers1378 Жыл бұрын
My mom: "go play with the neighbour's kid" The neighbours kid: 9:10
@CreatedBy_AI
@CreatedBy_AI Жыл бұрын
Slay the Spire but you are forced to take cards that deal AOE damage
@Me-mu7qw
@Me-mu7qw Жыл бұрын
Can you actually win if all cards are innate?
@kza6648
@kza6648 11 ай бұрын
I think this would just be regular slay the spire
@Tony0456
@Tony0456 Жыл бұрын
banana bread
@Heggiboyy
@Heggiboyy Жыл бұрын
@Nathan-dn4zl
@Nathan-dn4zl Жыл бұрын
How does stacking "Shaped Glass" work in terms of damage? By my calculations it should be 1,179,648, because you can't just say [Base Dmg] X [Number of Shaped Glass] which in this case would be 9 X 17, which would equal 153, because that wouldn't take into account that you're getting a new number for each instance of multiplication, that new number being the previous solution e.g. 9 X 2 = 18 -> 18 X 2 = 32 -> 32 x 2 = 64 and so on and so forth. Which means that it should look something like this [Base Damage] X [2^Shaped Glass] which in this case would be 9 X 2^17, which would equal 1,179,648. Based on what I'm seeing on screen, that's not what appears to be happening. So how does it work? Would any on of you kind souls please elucidate my feeble mind on this matter, because I can't quite seem to wrap my head around this
@masonsudul1643
@masonsudul1643 Жыл бұрын
your math is based on the relic working like 2^N, when in reality its just 2*N
@Nathan-dn4zl
@Nathan-dn4zl Жыл бұрын
@@masonsudul1643 Damn. That's cringe
@TheJuanamador
@TheJuanamador Жыл бұрын
"What if evert relic did double damage?!?!?!?!" *realize video is 15min long* Seems about right.
@leachofsouls
@leachofsouls Жыл бұрын
Omfg
@jasonfrederick5210
@jasonfrederick5210 Жыл бұрын
pog
@josephbrown5292
@josephbrown5292 Жыл бұрын
Andrew?
@bestevie311
@bestevie311 10 күн бұрын
It's pretty lame it scales linearly since I'm pretty sure shaped glass in RoR2 scales exponentially
@AtomicArtumas
@AtomicArtumas Жыл бұрын
I've gotta be honest here... this is a very, VERY hard run to lose if you have any clue how to actually play this game. Ironclad's maybe the hardest character to do it with, and even that's like... still totally doable, you just need to not focus on a defensive build. Almost any non-boss is just going to be an insta-win. Any competent deck is going to 100% kill normal enemies first turn no problem. And most bosses are going to either be straight cheeseable (slime) or generally really, REALLY easy to get to a threshold where they do no damage, or extremely easily defeated by using potions, which you should always prioritize when it comes to shops and rewards. This is my issue with a lot of people in the pseudo-challenge run and whatnot communities. They just... way overstate and overestimate stuff that's ultimately just not actually challenging. The only way you lose this is if you get straight RNG screwed. Which... is true of anything in this game. Like, literally anything. You can be playing the most OP character and get literally no good cards or relics, weak potions, purely negative events and a boss that completely hard counters your starter deck in act 1. This just reminds me of a "challenge" run of a completely different game I watched years ago where the restrictions were.... literally the optimal way to play the game and the person didn't know that. It's just powergaming but pretending like it's not.
@pleskadinholywarr5377
@pleskadinholywarr5377 Жыл бұрын
Tbh, I kindo do hate that it doesnt work as intended. The glasses don't scale properly. When 48 damage appears on a card that does 4 damage... SMH
@perryflanagan
@perryflanagan Жыл бұрын
Hey
@kristiangregory4860
@kristiangregory4860 Жыл бұрын
12:00 - it's 17 relics so 2^17 multiplied by whatever the poison value is. I think that means it's 786432 without upgrade, then on the turn following when poison is 5 it's 655360.
@kristiangregory4860
@kristiangregory4860 Жыл бұрын
Wait... 2^16, so halve those figures.
@masonsudul1643
@masonsudul1643 Жыл бұрын
@@kristiangregory4860 unfortunately the relic is just 2*N not 2^N
@kristiangregory4860
@kristiangregory4860 Жыл бұрын
Yah, but it's many x2's. So it's [Damage]x2x2x2... 17 times total. You can collapse the 17 2x's into 2^16.
@derekjones2210
@derekjones2210 Жыл бұрын
:O
@anakinparkin8721
@anakinparkin8721 Жыл бұрын
Hello
@King-sd5vg
@King-sd5vg Жыл бұрын
#Iwasthere
@OrbitalLunatic
@OrbitalLunatic Жыл бұрын
Such a short video, he probably dies in Act 1 /s
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