Did you know John Tyler’s grandson is still alive

What if the Spanish-American War never happened?

I miss Hawaii

What If ron paul became president either in 2008 or 2011

Just watched the Deadliest Warrior love letter to pop history comment - hit right in the feels 🖤👍🏿

If I'm not mistaken it was also meant to be a combined american and british flags, since they were they're main trading partners. Basically, it was saying they liked them both equally

Though I'm not an expert, so don't quote me on this

@@lucascaetano7920 I guess this was a later interpretation they made to justify it

For the most part, the flag was supposed to be a neutral and trade friendly symbol to the British, Russians, and Americans. Hence why it looks like three flags are shoved into it.

@@lucascaetano7920 You’re right, the US was our main trading partner at the time since Hawaii was producing a lot of sugar cane and Pineapples and the US just ate it up. Literally

That really is the elephant, which I don't completely believe the British wouldn't have annexed Hawaii at some point either. Because at the end of the day, some imperial power was going to look at Pearl Harbor, a sheltered deep-water harbor right smack in the middle of the vast Pacific Ocean, and claim it for their own. Hell, America wasn't even all the keen on annexation.....until the Spanish American War, and they needed a coaling location on the way to their new territories like the Philipinnes.

Not to mention the large Japanese Hawaiian presence on the islands an alternate history could see imperial Japan using the same claims the Germans made of reuniting ethnic Germans in the Czech Republic, Japanese people with the homeland and conquer the islands

My thoughts as well.

Yeah. I was thinking Japan would Eff the island nation up like, so bad. Did you see what they did to all the other territories they occupied?

Does relate to the topic but there’s a German March talking about Honolulu.

What would you say is the best way to learn it today?

I would actually argue that Pidgin (Creole hawaiian)was more the dominant language after english not hawaiian. Even today most people can speak and understand pidgin in hawaii but not hawaiian. Pidgin became a dominant language in hawaii as the different migrant worker camps, Literally separated by race, needed a common language to communicate. Pidgin developed as a hybrid language encompassing words and vocabulary from hawaiian, Japanies, english, chinese, tagalo, and much more. Even today if you go to the supermarket and ask for “tako poke” tako is Japanese for octopus and poke is hawaiian for a style of raw preparation usually involving ahi (hawaiian for tuna).

@@cruzgomes5660 honestly go to a hawaiian emergence school as a kid, join a hula club, or find an uncle to talk story with.

Americans are so hypocritical... Requesting Tibet or Xinjiang to be independent but not Hawaii... Hawaii annexation is illegal, hopefully one day Hawaii will be free again...

​@@gamermapper But most of the people who live their aren't ethnically Hawaiian. How would an independent Hawaii even work? Why would a majority of people who live there want to be independent? It would be just like the State of Hawaii, only independent - it wouldn't really have the independent cultural identity it had before annexation - it would remain the mix of American, Polynesian, Japanese and other cultures that it is today, except the economy would tank. Most of Tibet, on the other hand, is 80% ethnically Tibet. It would be culturally Tibetan. There wouldn't be so much confusion about what it really means to be Tibetan. It's also not like the US government is squashing dissident in Hawaii. The reason why the PRC's activities in Tibet draw so much condemnation is because their inherently condemnable. Though the US annexation was wrong, there's really nothing that can be done about it more than 100 years in the future.

Bro that's not a bullet, that's a whole Panzer tank shell

Lucky Hawaiians.

Belgian colonization was not as good as British or Dutch colonialism

Belgium was just brutal and cruel in their colonialism, Hawaii would've been reduced to a third world junk hole like Haiti or something. Ultimately, what Americans did was a saving grace for the islands..

That isn't a bullet, that is the full thermonuclear bomb

Truly, the darkest timeline. George Orwell has nothing on that.

Damn, good point.

and the sky would just be blue

Spongebob would be different too.

Maybe Spongebob in that timeline, the show uses Caribbean music instead? Without the U.S annexing Hawaii, the most tropical places in America would be in the Caribbean.

Ironically, not even white colonists were safe from this. When they discovered gold in the Transvaal, the Boer settlers' asses clenched up so tightly in fear, it was probably the event that created the diamond mining industry as well, as you could crush coal into diamond from it.

You can change history, but you won't change human nature.

Japan will take hawaii

Nothing short of time-travel and very early Industrialization would save Hawaii

@@AxxLAfriku wut

hi

@@madrexertheboredtm7728 Polynesians be like: Mr Worldwide!

@@madrexertheboredtm7728 they arrived by boat last summer.

I have a question for you; do you like tourists? Because I rarely see them but even I don’t like them. Sure they could be a great cash cow you can milk the life out of with “Hawaiian” stuff but still, I’ve heard a lot of native Hawaiians hate tourists.

I’m getting stationed in Hawaii soon. I’m curious are native Hawaiians glad to be apart of the USA or do you think they’d prefer to be independent?

@@openpage8891 No, I won't Buy your Scam, Scammer

@@openpage8891 I got a stroke reading that

Paulet be like "The risk I took was calculated, but boy am I bad at math."

Yeah

> when the majority of people who push for it are only like 10% Hawaiian and don't even speak it. Lol ok buddy

​@@Renovartiowhat are you even saying??

🥪

Japan

Wait, a pig?

Makes sense to me.

@@lordmeow en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War_(1859)

Huh. wow. To me thats kinda sad to be honest. Because Hawaii Modeled itself after what other people wanted.

That is wholly untrue. The stripes on the flag were originally sequenced white-red-blue and are believed to be modeled after the Russian flag used over the Port of Lahaina in the early 1810s. It was the only flag they had, receiving it from an abandoned Russian colony. Later a British captain that had sold Hawaii its first modern warship offered their ensign to fly over the port in lieu of the Russian one. It is widely accepted that King Kamehameha saw aesthetic value in the flags and designed the Kingdom of Hawaii's flag after them. This may also have been in part driven by the Hawaiian monarchy's Europhilia at the time. The navy ensign of the Kingdom of Hawaii still retained the white-red-blue patterning and the official kingdom flag was standardized to red-white-blue in 1843. Hawaii played no role in the War of 1812, though infrequent Hawaiians served in the navies of both sides. The Kingdom didn't really have an opinion on any major US conflict until the Civil War, where it pretty wholly supported the Union.

False

The war between the United Kingdom and the USA was between two countries

Also it wouldn't surprise me if japan colonized it pre war war 2

Probably still quite a lot of US tourism. But visa and currency problems would limit it.

Depending on how the relationship with the British evolved, perhaps popular with Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders as well.

Umm I think the distance between Hawaii and Alaska and California says otherwise

They did bomb Alaska in the war anyway. In my Alternative World History though, Alaska is Canadian should it might not be as affected. Yet your right that Japan would have attacked the west coast of the USA. Likley by an attack like Pearl Habour, not an invasion.

I think japan would have used hawaii as a strike base against the US

@@taptiotrevizo9415 I'm afraid it doesn't matter if Japan has a base in Hawaii to launch an attack. An invasion is unlikely though but something like Pearl Habour would occur on the USA West Coast instead.

@@KangaKucha I don't think the usa would get even involved against Japan since If Hawaii isn't a US territory then the Philippines definitely aren't and are probably a territory of Japan

I don't think the Japanese would have taken Alaska, maybe the Aleut Islands and one or two ports but thats it. They couldnt take too much in the Russo-Japanese war because the European Imperial powers would've attacked them in response. Japan would certainly take Hawaii, and I could see them creating rubber plantations there as well. Taiwan would also be more aggressively populated, and they would eventually take the Phillippines. Their expansion into mainland asia would be more restrained, and they would have access to all the resources they didnt have on the main islands in this scenario, since there is no America competing for influence in the region, while the European powers were rather disengaged. The British would not pay enough attention to the Pacific to stop this, so unless the Pacific coast/and a bit inland were to actively compete for influence in the oceans, I don't see it turning out any other way.

Idk why that was put in. By 1840s, America had a booming military similar to Prussia and would have easily crushed any British presence. That's like saying Napoleon III would have burned down Berlin. Almost impossible But a whole war in itself would have been extremely unlikely and probably would have been a simple apology

Something tells me Santa Anna would lose... Somehow, against Deseret in 1857. Something so stupid it makes his literal 'loss by DUI' look like a pultizer prize.

@@compatriot852 the problem is, unlike 1812 British can mobelize all they resourses against USA, so even if 'merica successful in the begining, when british navy comes to east shore it's over.

As I see it, a US - UK war right then, would probably immediately prompt Santa Ana to attack the then Independent Republic of Texas. This causes a two front war, but the most likely result is Mexico still loses even though Canada now gets all the disputed territory between Maine and Nova Scotia and possibly Oregon Territory.

This is a wholly realistic scenario if Kalakaua had more time on the throne. I read his autobiography on his world tour and basically captures this brilliant picture you painted. If you ever have the chance to visit Iolani Palace, you could see that he cultivated relationships and recognition of the Kingdom of Hawaii with almost two dozen European, Latin American, Asian independent kingdoms and empires - you'll see the treaties, the honors and decorations, medals, and documents from these various emperors and kings of the time. If imperialism had not existed at the time, the Pacific Nations Alliance would have been incredible - too bad Tonga and Samoa were mired up by British and German influence. And the relationship with Japan would have occurred, I feel like Hawaii would have been given the choice of neutrality in WWII if it was never annexed by the U.S. but would still choose to join the Axis as a supporting nation of Japan like Thailand had done, out of mutual respect.

Did you know Hawaii has actually been illegally occupied for 129 years?

This all sounds pretty interesting. Why wouldn't they vote for statehood?

@@redcoat4348 idk about their politics but they are just north of papua new guinea and east of indonesia so the distance may play a role

To become a territory ... no vote. To become a state, yes, a territory has to vote to become a state- congress can still decline to make it one.

Makes us think of Easter Island, Spanish colonialism and Catholicism destroyed the entire culture and language, all gone :

@@redcoat4348 The tl;dr of it is because taxes and other issues that would arise from being a state, like various federal regulations. It's complicated as hell. The reasons why they wouldn't differ from person to person. They also don't want to become a terrority somewhat because of mostly the same reasons, as commonwealths are pretty much essentially getting all the benefits of being "American" but none of the regulations. My dad, who worked with a lot of the higher ups in its biggest industry (gambling, of course, since there is quite a lot of Chinese tourists) mentioned before that it felt like the whole place was like a libertarian pipedream -- with all the issues of libertarianism too. The whole place is pretty much controlled by the casino -- or at least was until the FBI realized something was up, after a solid 5-10 years of the con... Christ, and I haven't even mentioned that after the 2019 typhon Yutu hit (I personally went through it! It sucked!), it went on an economic downward spiral, which then right after the pandemic hit and from what I have heard it has gone even further downhill. It's not in a good place right now and yet they *probably* still wouldn't statehood because of various regulations. Not sure though at this point, it has been 2 years since I've been there and since then things have changed a lot most likely. (take all this with a grain of salt, mind you, as this is pretty much friend of a friend told me things here with most of which barely is in any news site. It's hard to track down any sources other than just going there directly and finding out all of it for yourself unfortunately. would love some major org to really cover it or some documentary, insane stuff

and Tonga too which kept is own monarchs and was more a Protectorate but never gave up its own sovereignty

Id think Hawaii would be a protectorate, or have some autonomy. And also because of Hawaii's position in the middle of the atlantic and britain having a very good navy they would likely invest in infrastructure and ports

@@fuynnywhaka101 Uganda as well, with the added clause of Ugandans being the sole group able to own property.

@@jacklang3314 Nice.

but unlike Hawaii in this timeline, the UAE was able to replace the pearl industry with oil, becoming one of the richest nations on the planet.

It used to exist until the US forcefully annexed jt

@@jaguarmemez I know, but not for very long

The kingdom of hawaii would probably still be under a monarchy and would've been a close ally for the us there really was no need to invade and steal hawaii

What If ron paul was president

@@FlyingAlfredoSaucer Not for very long? Hawaii was independent for 103 years. From 1795 to 1898.

Don’t forget California it was its own nation for about a month.

Technically, California was as well for 14 days before joining the U.S.

It is unique because Texians (the way illegal Anglo settlers in Mexican Texas called themselves) wanted to unite with the USA from day #1 of their short-lived republic. They never really wanted the Republic of Texas to exist forever besides the USA, they wanted to be *IN* the USA. The 10 years it lasted were more due to US Congress debating incessantly whether to absorb it or not, than because of Texians' desires. The Hawai'ian kingdom was a good ol' conquest and absorbtion, pure imperialism

Nation. Not country. Also the Hawaiian state was based on something else than American settlers

California: Shortest Nation before becoming a state.

So in modern times Hawaii is better off under American rule due to tourism and the independence of being a state?

@@hackman669 I guess you could say that yeah. I mean it still sucks. Natives and other Locals can barely afford housing for one thing, so a lot of us move to the mainland. And tourism is slowly destroying our ecosystems. Still, we are mostly left to our own devices. And preservation efforts have improved. Overall it isn’t so bad. There are still problems, a lot of them actually, and I think there will always be some form, however small, of bitterness since we were held at gunpoint all those decades ago, but we persevere. We make the best of what we got, and try to improve things however and whenever we can.

dude alternatehistoryhub made a terrible video, don’t be a shill for america

@@catboyjohn I’m not being a “shill”. You think I like what they did to my home? Fuck no! Me, my friends, and my family hate them for what they did to our land, our people, our culture! I’m just saying it could’ve been a lot worse for us! But there’s nothing any of us can do about it except keep our culture alive and move on.

@@catboyjohn lol he's right tho America saved your asses again and you wanna complain about it just like everyone else we save we should let your culture die and just set up some McDonald's on your islands and volcanos

Vermont: (Cries in the corner.)

Those are countries of Americans not an actual country. The Republic of Texas and Republic of California were both fake nation states whose only purpose was to surrender to the USA.

@@Fahadalbassam07 California didn't. Still a garbage state right now though.

@@PomaiKajiyama uhm.... the Republic of Texas existed for 10 years and had international recognition. The original intent was to join the Union but America didn't support it. Then things shifted a bit with the election of President Mirabeau Lamar, whom was a Texas nationalist. He wanted Texas to remain a sovereign state and grow to be an empire of sorts. Obviously that never happened and due to problems with him raising the debt and the failures of the expeditions he hosted. The Unionist candidate, Sam Houston was reelected and 4 years later, thus Texas was annexed.

They also had a functional Army and Navy and an official currency (which quickly became useless due to the debt owed lol)

I could see the Catholic bits (Quebec I presume) being made a territory, and later on a puppet. Sort of like a northern Cuba. But the rest I still see being made US land. If nothing else, it would make sense to annex everything south of the St. Lawrence, that's a natural border region right there.

Hehehe all 5%

It's Iolani Palace and 5% is a gross underestimation. Hawaiians and locals make up 80% of the actual Hawaii population, and transplants (Mainlanders) make up 20%. Those locals and Hawaiians who are pro-independence and really resent the military are maybe 5% sure, but I'd say that at least a quarter of the local and Hawaiian population if not more sympathize with independence and dislike the military as much.

@@daeseongkim93 without even looking up your statistics, I can tell something is wrong. If it's a 80/20 native/mainlander split, then how are you counting all the people with Asian ancestry?

@@daeseongkim93 I'm guessing you're counting people with a whole 2% native Hawaiian heritage huh?

Just looked up the actual statistics according to the US Census. The population of the Hawaiian Islands is roughly 25% White, 10% Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander, around 24% mixed, 38% Asian, 10% Hispanic or Latino, and 2% African American/Black. All number are approximates, there’s another category labeled ‘white alone, not Hispanic or Latino’ at just under 22% but that one throws off the numbers a bit. You can check the Census for exact. Also, I’m not sure I would say all of the Native Hawaiians are anti-military. I know a few Hawaiians serving currently and such. Being against the mainlanders, yeah I can see most of the natives having that perspective.

what the funny

@@openpage8891 no that wierd link and ugly profle picuer

Ultranationalist.... wait...

What does a hawaiian ultranationalist look like? Do they just want an independent hawaii? Some sort of hawaiian empire? Kill all the non polynesians?)

I am that Hawaiian ultranationalist

Hawaii ultranationalist is basically neo-confederate.

@@mappingshaman5280 Hawaiian ultranationalism is polynesian. The native Hawaiians are the nationalist group. They’re moderately more pleasant than other ultranationalists, but still rather nasty, in my opinion.

The world, or as a minimum southeast Asia and Eastern Africa, would be heavily Sinicized instead of Europeanized. With some luck, Japanese or Chinese merchants would arrive to the New World before Colombus (not impossible, remember the Spanish fleet would travel once per year the route Philipines - Mexico, back and forth), I believe colonisation in the New World would've been much more gentile, if it followed the mostly hands-off Chinese colonisation of southeast Asia

As someone who's studied east asia, I think Zheng He's expeditions are a bit overrated. They were not about colonialism, exploration, or even trade. They were about tribute and vassalage to the Emperor. *CONTEXT* The Yongle Emperor (Zhu Di) who commissioned them did it to solidify his legitimacy after overthrowing his nephew (previous emperor), by forcing other kingdoms to pay tribute to the Emperor. This was not trade in the western sense. The tributary voyages stopped as for one, they were becoming expensive, and two, future emperors did not need to prove legitimacy like Zhu Di did, and hence the voyages were seen as more trouble than they were worth. And even if they continued, its unlikely you would get a Chinese colonial empire (at least in the western sense). For one, there was no religion to "convert the heathens" to. Two, China already had plenty enough resources to sustain itself, and three is the merchant class was the lowest class. Western colonialism happened due to a high merchant class being able to exploit other lands for profit. In China, even wealthy merchants would most likely try to gain government jobs rather than settling some other land for profit. It would simply result in tributary vassalage, and not European style colonialism. In addition, this would not rule out the possibility of an Opium War (or similar conflict). The Opium Wars happened as the British had to go through China's tributary system for trade. In addition to Britain having little the Chinese actually wanted. Contrary to popular belief, the Opium wars didn't happen due to China isolating themselves from Britain, but because the British had little of interest for the Chinese to buy. *HOWEVER THATS NOT TO SAY EVERYTHING WOULD BE THE SAME.* The one thing that WOULD probably change if China remained open to the outside world would be no Qīng (Manchu) Dynasty. Let me explain: The Míng Dynasty's main problems started after the Jiājìng Emperor refused to trade with Altan Khan. Altan Khan did not want to take over China, but rather simply wanted trade relations (largly due to Mongolia's harsh climate making agriculture near impossible). Refusing to trade resulted in Mongol invasions, resulting in the need to build more of the great wall, resulting in the draining of the treasury, resulting in revolts, resulting in the Manchus being able to conquer China. If the Jiājìng Emperor agreed to trade with the Mongols and Manchus (Jurchens) on equal terms, Altan Khan and the Manchus would be vastly disincentivized to invade China, not only due to their desire for trade being satisfied, but also to avoid antagonizing their trade partners. The Míng sections of the great wall would henceforth not be built, however I don't think this would make much of a difference as bribary often resulted in people being let in regardless, not to mention the Manchus were allowed in BY the general running the wall at the time (rebals kidnapped his father resulting in him defecting to the Manchus's side). Also it's important to note that the Manchus did not succeed on military might alone, but also due to the dynasty having already collapsed with peasant rebals trying to claim the throne. *SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?* A number of things: For one, Tibet and Uyghurstan never become part of China. Instead probably being conquered by the British and Russians respectively. Two, the Manchus would still form their own Empire, but with a more stable Míng Dynasty as their trading partner, they would probably only conquer (all of) Mongolia, Transbaikal, and Amur. Becoming a tributary buffer state against Russia. Queues and Olbo Jackets never become staples of "Chinese" culture. Three, and most importantly *china would have guns.* The Qīng in our timeline were able to make firearms, however they were constantly afraid of a Han Chinese rebellion meaning they were never able to implement them properly. The Míng already had western cannons in our timeline meaning that it is perfectly reasonable that they would eventually have guns too. This would mean that any opium war style conflict might go more in China's favor. It is also possible that China might isolate itself due to a Christian rebellion like in Japan. Christians were spreading in the Míng Dynasty in our own timeline, and given that Christianity contradicts the belief in "The Mandate of Heaven" it is also possible that the Míng isolate themselves just like in our timeline (just 150 years later). Thus resulting in similar humiliations to this altranate Míng like what happened to our timeline's Qīng.

@@slyninja4444 This is fascinating! It’s a very different timeline, but not in how one may expect. Though wouldn’t more expeditions drain the treasury too?

@@wannabehistorian371 Yes, however it would have been smaller voyages (at the very most going as far as India) funded by the treasure that in our timeline would be used for the great wall. Again, I think the Great Wall (more specifically the Míng portions of it) is also a bit overrated. Corruption was a massive problem and people were often able to bribe their way through. In fact the last Míng General (Wu San Gui) actually opened the gates and let the Manchus in after a peasant rebal kidnapped the General's father for ransom.

Ah yes, Victoria 2.

dude the colors are not american

@@catboyjohn they're both red white and blue

@@brookiecookie472 They aren’t there because of America or anything about America.

@@natenae8635 bruh it's a state obviously it has something to do with America

true, but ironically the white on the top of the flag during times of peace represent the god lono (hawaiian religon) as Lono is associated with peace and makahiki season, and when the flag is upside down the red symbolises distress. btw, the hawaiians mistook captain cook for lono because he arrived on the islands during makahiki, also the white sails of the ship looked similar to that of the akua loa which also represented the time of makahiki

@cathyhawaii lmao

Bethesta paid him for that video

Or take it next level, what if NATO had said yes to USSR's application to join in the 50's after Stalin died.

Then NATO would lose its meaning of existence.

@@theshlauf big Brain NATO fight communism with communism.

@@geth7112 Democratic socialism*

That would imply it had a functioning economy, moderate level of corruption, and no territorial disputes in order to join. And a non-corrupt Russia is just a silly idea.

They would, they threatened the US Government for the West Coast treatment of Japanese immigrants prior to WWII. The US didnt want a war with Japan at the time. Japan would have done the same to Hawaii, especially because David Kalakaua had a great relationship with the administration in Japan.

@@HawaiianForgeStudios Making this an easy takeover of the island and exploting the weak spot of the US, cutting off the West Coast with the islands in the pacific

The battle of midway would of been followed by an amphibious invasion.

Maybe Britiain likes Hawaii so much it would defend it?

@@TheEditFactory Did you not see how well they defended their own colonies in WW2? Mainly Raj because they left them for dead

1881年、世界一周旅行の最初の訪問国として来日した国王カラカウアは明治天皇に謁見した際、ハワイ王国の安泰のため日本とハワイの連邦化を提案した。その時のカラカウアからの提案は次の通りである。 日本・ハワイの連邦化 日本・ハワイ間のホットライン敷設 日本主導によるアジア共同体の創設 カイウラニ王女と山階宮定麿王の縁談 同じ有色人種である日本人のハワイへの移民（当時のハワイは西欧からもたらされた疫病により、原住民の人口が激減していた） In 1881, King Kalakaua, who came to Japan as the first country to visit around the world, proposed the federalization of Japan and Hawaii for the security of the Kingdom of Hawaii when he had an audience with Emperor Meiji. time is as follows. Federalization of Japan and Hawaii Laying a hotline between Japan and Hawaii Creation of an Asian community led by Japan Marriage between Princess Ka'iulani and King Yamashina Miyasada Japanese immigrants of the same color to Hawaii (Hawaii at that time had a drastic decrease in the indigenous population due to the plague brought from Western Europe) 日本政府はアメリカとの対立を避けるため、これらの提案を「良友　睦仁」の御筆の入った親書をもって丁重に断った。 しかし、移民の促進に関しては問題がないと考え、1885年には日布移民条約が締結され、官製移民団が組織されるようになった。官製の移民は1885年から1894年まで続き、総計29,339人がハワイに渡った。 In order to avoid conflict with the United States, the Japanese government politely declined these proposals with a letter containing the writing of "Good Friend Mutsuhito."(Mutsuhito is Emperor Meiji real name) However, considering that there was no problem in promoting immigration, the Japan-Hawaii Immigration Treaty was signed in 1885, and a government-made immigrant group was formed. Government-made immigrants continued from 1885 to 1894, with a total of 29,339 people traveling to Hawaii. Please forgive my poor English.

This is likely due to even the plans by Hideki Tojo prior to WWII telling us exactly that, he wanted a similar state system that controlled all of the Pacific. (read about it in Tojo's section of Visions of War).

Yeah, missed opportunity there. This would definitely be the darker timeline lol. If the local Japanese population show more loyalty to a possibly still existing monarchy or to their fellow non-white Hawaiian brethren like a lot of Japanese Americans were loyal to the US OTL though, maybe they might not be able to hold it for long due to sheer distance. How strong a hold they have depends entirely on how much the local Japanese population is willing to go along with it because the Japanese Empire infamously sucks at logistics.

The Kingdom of Hawaii and Japan where friendly but Hawaii had a neutral stance. There is no strategic reason for Japan to take Hawaii.

Having been a volunteer docent at the Iolani Palace and Hawaii Judiciary Museum and a Hawaii local who has spent considerable amount of time immersed in Hawaiian history. The Japanese Empire respected Hawaii's neutrality, right up until the U.S. actually annexed it. King Kalakaua had even proposed the marriage of Emperor Meiji's daughter to his own son, though this idea didn't go too far as the King had passed away, the son had married off to a Hawaiian noble, and Emperor Meiji declined the offer due to conflicts closer to home. I'd reckon if WWII were to occur and Hawaii was still independent, Japan would have respected Hawaii's neutrality but the Hawaiian monarch would actually go the same route as Thailand and joined the Axis in a supporting role out of respect for Japan. Many Asian countries were inspired by the Japanese belief in nationalization, and ridding them of their colonial overlords with the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. In this case, the Japanese would help get rid of the white American sugar barons and growing American influence that Liholiho, Kalakaua, and Liliuokalani were afraid of. Just like in Thailand's case, there would have been factionalism in the royal court and military with siding with Japan; Duke Robert Kalanihiapo Wilcox and Prince Kalaniana'ole, Prince Kawananakoa would have all been on board with joining Japan.

@@daeseongkim93 I mean what’s the point getting rid of colonial overlords if they just replaced them with new ones eh? Indonesia, Hong Kong, Singapore, and the Philippines sure know. Hint: It wasn’t good. But sure, they sure cared about nationalization there. Don’t know what kind of Imperialist propaganda you’ve been fed but Co Prosperity Sphere was that, propaganda. Not sure if that’s your actual name but if you actually are Korean maybe ask your grandparents about it.

Ainu didn't just exist on Hokkaido, but also northern Honshu, Sakhalin and the Kurils. They were fought to near extermination on Honshu by the ethnic Japanese, and the last Ainus intermingled with the Yamato people and all that remains of them are some words in their dialects of Japanese that come from Ainu, and some traditions like hunting bears with spear. In Sakhalin they existed until Stalin times, when they were in part exterminated in part mass-deported to Siberia - the surviving ones assimilated to other ethnic groups and dissappeared, same in the Kurils. And as to them modernizing... almost impossible. They were fighting the Japanese ever since the Middle Ages, but very few of them abandoned their semi-nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle to become farmers, and the few of them that did quickly became culturally Japanese. Becoming subjects of Japan, China (which at times claimed Sakhalin) or Russia was almost unavoidable.

Hawaii is not America but these sovereignty groups have all been Americans. We're repatriating now and reclaiming our rights in our jurisdiction. Tell every Hawaiian you know to repatriate.

@@deoccupyhawaii6268 Since Hawaii became a state its been open to immigration from the US mainland and now there are a lot of people who are not indingenous living there. You can't just turn the clock back on those islands, they're no longer the country you want them to be. Instead of this farce how about advocating for financial support for native Hawaiians. Getting them access to education and state support for starting their own businesses. You know do something that could actually benefit the state instead of LARPing.

This is dumb.

This is typically what american imperialism looks like tbh - yeah its fucked but the alternative is somehow worse

Why wasn’t it okay?

@@legchairhistorian5496 it was still conquest and that's frowned upon nowadays, something about national sovereignty and coping

I disagree, the Hawaiian native people (or at the very least their monarchy) were extremely pro-British. Specifically, after unification a delegation was sent by the kingdom of Hawaii to America and then Britain to see which country they wanted to be ‘protected’ by - when the delegation arrived in Washington they faced racism by the Americans (because Manifest Destiny mode), but when they arrived in London they were treated like a real diplomatic delegation (because the British were used to having formal alliances with natives like the Iroquois or the Indian Rajas). Due to their experience with the Iroquois and India, the British were far more used to establishing protectorates as disposed to colonies - meanwhile manifest destiny meant America was more used to expelling natives, and settling land. I don’t quite see why the independent kingdom would be more segregated and dominated by planters than it was IRL.

@@alexanderfurrows7946 Ah well, it doesn't matter because in the end what happened happened and what happened can't ever be changed as secession from the Union is illegal so all that's left to do is to debate over the could've should've would'ves like so many other hypotheticals.

@@openpage8891 bro stop

@@juliananievera1589 Open page is a bot, so it can't stop. I've reported it a few times, and you should as well.

@@JPA_Games yes

Tallest,not highest

@@mappingmapping95 same thing

@@YaBoiDREX no it isn't Tallest refers to your hieght(Example I'm 6ft tall) How high you are refers to your elevation or the distance from the ground(Let's say I'm at an airplane and it's 33k ft above the ground,that is how high I am)

@@mappingmapping95 Your just being pedantic

Nothing short of Time-travel would save Hawaii Time-traveler goes back to 1000 and Modernizes Hawaii The Industrialized Hawaiian Republic then takes over all the Americas before invading Europe, Africa and Asia

1881年、世界一周旅行の最初の訪問国として来日した国王カラカウアは明治天皇に謁見した際、ハワイ王国の安泰のため日本とハワイの連邦化を提案した。その時のカラカウアからの提案は次の通りである。 日本・ハワイの連邦化 日本・ハワイ間のホットライン敷設 日本主導によるアジア共同体の創設 カイウラニ王女と山階宮定麿王の縁談 同じ有色人種である日本人のハワイへの移民（当時のハワイは西欧からもたらされた疫病により、原住民の人口が激減していた） In 1881, King Kalakaua, who came to Japan as the first country to visit around the world, proposed the federalization of Japan and Hawaii for the security of the Kingdom of Hawaii when he had an audience with Emperor Meiji. time is as follows. Federalization of Japan and Hawaii Laying a hotline between Japan and Hawaii Creation of an Asian community led by Japan Marriage between Princess Ka'iulani and King Yamashina Miyasada Japanese immigrants of the same color to Hawaii (Hawaii at that time had a drastic decrease in the indigenous population due to the plague brought from Western Europe) 日本政府はアメリカとの対立を避けるため、これらの提案を「良友　睦仁」の御筆の入った親書をもって丁重に断った。 しかし、移民の促進に関しては問題がないと考え、1885年には日布移民条約が締結され、官製移民団が組織されるようになった。官製の移民は1885年から1894年まで続き、総計29,339人がハワイに渡った。 In order to avoid conflict with the United States, the Japanese government politely declined these proposals with a letter containing the writing of "Good Friend Mutsuhito."(Mutsuhito is Emperor Meiji real name) However, considering that there was no problem in promoting immigration, the Japan-Hawaii Immigration Treaty was signed in 1885, and a government-made immigrant group was formed. Government-made immigrants continued from 1885 to 1894, with a total of 29,339 people traveling to Hawaii. Please forgive my poor English.

Or Japan would annex it like they did with Thailand

@@galaxykidM5 and then lose it again via a war with the USA in the future.

Likely the US would of took Hawaii after WW2 in retaliation for the bombing of Los Angeles.

@@Jay-qb9gi though i don't know if the US would actually take hawaii, since the ethnic japanese population would be significant in the islands by that point.

@@Jay-qb9gi why would America face Japan if Japan had Hawaii