Imagine if the pills were permanent?

@@andresalgueiro9238 Yeah bruh Joker would rule Gotham and beat Batman's ass all over again

To be fair he was injured.

And Angry. People don’t think clearly when they are angry. And angry people make mistakes

I’m not a big fan of this comic, myself🤔

Hah yeah. IRL, I've seen guys with 50lbs on another guy get surprised by quick well-placed blows.

Still doesnt make sense, Joker has never actually trained this is stupid.

@@youdontknowme5980you dont need to have martial arts training to be able to hit things

@@voidboi2831 Yeah but its unbelievable that he won against someone that has mastered martial arts and trained his body to death, Joker doesn't exercise and isn't trained so he shouldn't have won.

@@youdontknowme5980 i think it’s kind of wrong to say he doesnt exercise at all, he spent most of his time running around placing bombs in purple spandex without getting caught and he doesnt even have a vehicle

I have to agree with you, I wish there was a comic where the sane Joker was permanent instead of it wearing off

Status quo is the worst thing EVER created. It ruins everything, always.

Welcome to American supehero comics

The thing is... If that happens, then you wouldn't buy a comic about Jack Napier waking up, buying the newspaper, discussing with the mayor and then going back to sleep for like 100 chapters.

​@@frostfrost8907 Cool, then have some of the old cast focus on places like Blüdhaven or make up another city.

The Best Ending

True, it feels like Napier was a mastermind villain pulling the strings from behind the scenes this entire story, I'm glad you noticed that

Did you think that might not be the point? It's an inversion ffs.

@@lordadamant8182 No shit. The point is that it doesn't make sense. It's a BAD inversion.

@@inwit594 Exactly, the guy becomes "sane" and then suddenly everyone starts taking the word of a mass murdering psychopath seriously...just like that?As much as I enjoy the joker as a villain the guys plot armor is ridiculous.

Yall forget that this is still the same, manipulative joker that rivals Batman in both hand to hand and in intelect, even if not at the same level; just sane. Of course Joker would be able to make people believe him, despite what he's done. After all, Harley's backstory most of the time is that the Joker just made Harley fall for him with nothing but words, especially in this continuity that takes from the BaS. It stretched a bit, but considering what continuity we're talking about, it's not that unbelievable.

Well in fairness Bruce was injured already wasn't he?

​@@joshorton9061 batman could be vaporized by thanos weilding the infinity gem and batmans plot armor woupd still keep him alive and make him overpower infinity gem-powered thanos without breaking a sweat

If Joker had H2H training and was very skilled in this verse, it could go his way if Batman would understimate him. Insanity gives you nothing aside ability to remove limiters from your brain. For this self-damaging strength boost you lose your precise motorics and combat-skills.

⁠​⁠@@yamatohime2035 that’s a lotta ifs…also since when does being insane give joker a power boost?

@@yamatohime2035 batman is bigger and stronger than him, and has more experience in combat. No 2 month prodigy can beat a 20 year master

That is an interesting timeline to say the least.

He stayed at a holiday inn express…lol

@@lilbirdmuse8938 Gordan: "But *_WHY,_* though!?" Batman: "........... Dracula......." Gordan: "Know what? Sorry I asked!"

Batman fisting on the joker at least makes sense, a few lessons from someone inferior to batman like Harley is not enough to beat him.

​@@thephoenix4093 Joker is said, by Batman, to be a very proficient hand to hand fighter. They have traded blows many times and he is very unpredictable. An injured Batman and an uninjured Joker is always a close fight.

​@@thephoenix4093 how do you know who trained joker wjen he always lies about his back ground? Joker might had the same training batman did and you cant prove otherwise

@@youtubestudiosucks978 unless you didn't read the comic, you'd know Harley trainer him because it was shown, and he wasn't the joker at the time.

@@thephoenix4093 the joker lies about everythkng all the time and you're stupid enough to believe him because?

Trump got elected and could well get elected again, despite plenty of evidence to demonstrate his monstrous behaviour (i.e. "grab em' by the..." clip). That guy didn't even take "normal pills" and wipe his make-up off. Women voted for him, black people, Latinx folk... You never know the kind of person people are willing to trust when they're desperate, no matter the severity of their crimes, for better - as in this fictional case - or for worse - as in Trump's. Also I think the clip of Batman forcing said "normal pills" down Joker's throat is supposed to do a lot of the legwork vis-a-vis Gothamites re-evaluating their understanding of good and bad in the city, and who perpetuates it vs. who perpetrates it. The one thing the working class (should) hate is a fascist. Batman filmed beating down on an unarmed man who's already restrained whilst the cops watch on - it's a video of essentially police brutality. Joker was many things: a murderer, lunatic, paradoxically idealistic and nihilistic at the same time, a criminal, an abuser, a terrorist, but he wasn't exactly a fascist. I don't think Batman is a fascist in the normal continuity of the comics, but he looks like one here, at the start.

Batman just had to deal with the loss of a loved one, an entire fight with his whole rogues gallery, and an injury from having entire buildings fall on him. Meanwhile, we have Jack Napier, in peak condition, and had memories of Joker confronting Batman on multiple occasions. He knows Batman's moves and since they're slower (due to Batman's previous encounters) he is able to counter much more effectively. This was a battle of alignment. Everything that has happened led up to this moment. Joker won that fight, and Batman lost.

Joker has been a brawler in some versions, but he chose not to fight back just to toy on the Bat's moral code.

@@johngona5929 Their plenty of times where batmans injured even being stabbed, been threw a lot but the joker never just wins in such a manner its just a potrayal happaning here

@@poweroffriendship2.0 Eveven if hes a brawler hes still not a fighter type characters like bane while batmans meant to be a proffessional at the peak of human skill

Same here, easily my favorite "What if? / Spin Of" comic. This would be amazing as a movie.

The point of the Batman was to show that hope was possible. The city was politically corrupt and no one believed in it enough to fight for it. Batman was created to give the people hope to change their own city.

He still tortured Jason Todd for a long time, he just hasn't returned as Red Hood yet.

@@sinenomine2681 I thought this joker was a spinoff, so it's not necessary that he shares the same backstory as the others. Creative license and all that

@@skynotaname2229 Yeah, of course - but I think that's something that has happened in the comic. He talks about it with Batman in the Batmobile, explains why he did it. You can see the panels at 5:00 in to around 5:20. He tortured Jason until he broke and gave up Bruce's identity, saying that he wished he'd never met him, and then Joker lets him go. I don't know if that's exactly how it plays out in the main-universe telling of that story (I don't actually know a great deal about comics at all) but he definitely did torture Jason.

He had plenty of pills. His problem was that he grew a resistance and they helped less and less until they didn't help at all.

The second one was a bank teller with serious mental issues, whom Joker mistook for Harley. She decided to become Harley after that, while Harleen did jail time and then just stayed in the background. (She's the one who told Batman where to find Jason and the Joker, and in a conversation at the end, it's revealed that she most likely developed the pills that temporarily cured the Joker.)

lmaao

Holy crab your actually first!

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@@roflchill I hate cupcakes

He isn't - it's very subtle, but he has an accent that would suggest that English is not his first language. Probably sounds like an AI because his English is so good and his accent is so accurate that those barely perceivable irregularities in intonation and pronunciation sort of put him in the uncanny valley, in a weird way. It's impressive.

P.S. I can't place his accent. I think it's likely Nordic although, to my untrained ear, it could be Slavic. I thought Swedish at first, but I'm not so sure.

If it was realistic batman wouldn't lose

@@charmingmagican9821 ye thats fair