No

In a different format sure, maybe even 6 moves. For the sake of mainline and vgc, no, there are other things to balance.

6v6 singles would turn into quite the defensive battle 😣 I don't mind introducing new mechanics each gen but the reverse power creep (without dynamax) is painfully evident without megas

Yes

Nope

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Hey hey, chill out satan! This ain't hell yet y'know.

IF THEY WOULD GIVE ME ELECTRODE

Perhaps...

What if it had wonder gard

_Much_ more restrictive movepools would allow for more moves and still be balanced. That doesn't mean it would be desirable of course.

@Nameless, do you have a source? I don't doubt you, but I'd be interesting in reading more!

@@johnpancho6586 I believe it was somewhere on either Twitter or KZfaq

@@johnpancho6586 The source is that i made it the fuck up!

@@Hanreky based

how would unown benefit from that

@@teethpilled3894 More Room for hidden power

@@teethpilled3894 it would gain 1.25 times more hidden power per unown creating a better unown:hidden power ratio, thus moving it from PU, and most likely being banned to Ubers, or even Anything Goes. Hope this helps!

@@owithalineybutitsupsidedow923 that's really not a surprise. That's a legendary we're talking about according to the anime

​@@owithalineybutitsupsidedow923 isn't it in ZU? The tier below PU?

@@jenniferlee6333 Magikarp can get bounce/hydro pump through events and in sun/move bounce is tutorable so a moveset of splash, flail, tackle, bounce and hydro pump. This completely changes the usability of magikarp by allowing it to keep splash. While most regard it as a useless move it can give the player up to *four* points of cuteness, which is by far the most points it can attain in the cute appeal. While it is still not a typical choice it creates a multi-use magikarp build for contest, competitive, and casual play. I'm against the addition of five moves because it ruins the useless novelty magikarp holds by giving it too much power.

@@jenniferlee6333 I was joking since it doesn't actually change anything with Magikarp because they're still incredibly useless, but those are good points.

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there’s a custom showdown format that actually lets you use more than 4 moves :O

I mean it would make it a much fairer fight. XP jk

@@jaspermidnight850 what's it called?

If they add a 3rd type, Wolfe will have his work cut out for him making best/worst type combo tier list videos 😅

I enjoyed dual typing a lot in the trading card game. Maybe we could have it for a generation or two, just like mega-evolution, z-moves etc.

Three types would be interesting to see. Closest thing we have to that right now is Dhelmise thanks to its ability essentially giving it STAB on a third type ⚓

How would dual type moves work for something like Greninja and Protean? Would it gain the dual typing too? That could be terrifying.

@@caldw615 If flying press is anything to go by, it'll have a default single type.

lol, I missed that one

Metal Claw is now viable

@@G3drummer so did Zacian

Nah focus blast is less than 10 if u ask me

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That even wasn't the first time they had experimented with the number of moveslots. Ruby and Saphire Gamefreak experimented with 6 but pared it back to 4.

Source?

​@@TheMissingLink2 If I remembered where I saw it, I would have just said it. It was somewhere pre-release talking about the game's development, so this would have been years ago. Human brain is very good at remembering information, very bad at remembering where that info came from.

@@svierrodcuppycake3655 Not an issue friend. I appreciate you replying.

If anyone happens to find/have found this interview, please point in the right direction. It sounds like a super interesting read.

thats not a bad idea at all

It's a cool idea, there would have to be some serious limitations on it probably via it having some kind of drawback and/or seriously limiting what moves could be learned with it otherwise it would just be the best item in the game and you would run into some of the same issues Wolfey was describing. Still could be super cool though! Especially if it could even grant access to moves they didn't normally learn.

This would have to be the cost. If it wasnt tied to a held item, Zacian C would stomp the entire metagame when home comes out. If it has to hold a useless item to get that slot, Zacian-C can't use it, since it has to hold Rusted sword.

Oh, like rings that give you certain abilities like an elemental spell! Yeah, I think that would not only be a good balance, but it would be very cool to be able to further customize your pokemon, if only a little bit.

That would definitely be fun. In competitive, no item dupes would heavily restrict this.

Somehow he lost

The ten moves was even specifically done by the episode's writer to make this Dragonite "seem" unstoppable.

Why not a healing move like this? Beating the damage out of your allys.

@@MouldMadeMind Heal Pulse, but it hurts your allies. 👌

@@MouldMadeMind isn't that just a regular damaging move

@@MouldMadeMind Sooo... Its just Pollen Puff

@@MouldMadeMind Do you mean you damage your ally and heal your ally for a % of damage like giga drain etc?

Tyranitar w/ STABs, Ice Punch, Superpower/EQ (of your choice) and DDance (or hell maybe even Rock Polish if dependent on Weakness Policy) Mega Metagross w/ STABs, Ice Punch, and either Stomping Tantrum, and either Hammer Arm, Rock Slide or Bullet Punch (Specs) Dragapult w/ STABs, Flamethrower, Thunderbolt/Hydro Pump/Scald (of your choice) and U-Turn and that's just the pseudo-legendaries Nidoking w/STABs, Ice Beam, Subsitute/Flamethrower (of your choice) and Protect or Gen 9 (Scarf) Gardevoir w/STABs, Mystical Fire, Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball/Aura Sphere (of your choice) and maybe Destiny Bond or if not scarfed Calm Mind and/or Draining Kiss

Yeah, they would likely need to implement either a hard-set stringent move list of what each Pokemon can know...or make a hard-set list of "banned" moves regardless of the Pokemon it is on due to possible issues that may arise.

well yes, battling that would be hard, but you could have just as good move on your mon, which evens it out

@@dantemcedgelord9331 only if you bring S tier pokemon yourself. As wolfe pointed out, a 5th move would only widen the gap between the top tier pokemon and the rest of the field. Any attempt to innovate would be thrown out of the window as the S tiers can no longer be countered by anything other than another S tier. Team building would be totally eliminated from the game.

My mind flew to Garchomp, which historically has 4 moveslot syndrome. Yikes.

see pokemon mystery dungeon for a decent example. Potentially broken if the two abilities it has are amazing. Trash if either abilities are Meh, or the two abilities contradict each other (Riolu with Steadfast plus Inner Focus. Ability combo being trash)

But the real question is would Neutralizing Gas on wheezing take away its own Levitate

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I really like this idea. It complements another idea of pokemon being able to hold 2 items, as long that one of its items be a berry. This would open room for GF to invent a lot more of pokemon species-specific items, many combining with said pokemon's own abilities. Poor Delibird and its redundant abilities, hahahah (Insomnia and Vital Spirit)

@@jirehtheprovider Balancing potencially ability combos or contradictions could open opportunity for Gamefreak to improve lots of older abilities. Say, make Magma Armor pokemon immune to Ice-type damage and halve Water Damage in addition to its normal effects; make Ice Body raise the pokemon's defenses during hail, instead of only recover HP; give pokemon with Poison Point a 30% chance of scatter Toxic Spikes everytime it is hit by contact; make pokemon with Damp deal more damage with water-type moves, receive less damage from fire type moves, but take more damage from grass type moves... ....stuff like that. Make classic abilities more useful

I wholeheartedly agree with you, always wished they would implement something like that. For a series that revolves around canonical monotype trainers so often, there sure isn't any real benefit to it.

I think it should apply only to the mono types, would make them much better, duo types have better coverage and more stab moves by default, monotypes are usually weaker. Would also be a chance to introduce more mono type flying pokemons, or change some existing ones.

I like that, and because I'm bored, here is what benefit I would give to every Type. Normal: 33% Extra-STAB-Bonus and Stamina cost reduction to Normal-Typ moves (There is a Stamina-System replacing PP in my dream-headcanon-Pokemon) Fire: Burn immunity/ Frostbite and Frost resistance Water: Exhaustion immunity (Exhaustion would affect Stamina causing it to deplete faster) Grass: Sleep immunity Elektro: Paralysis immunity/ If swapped out, recovers much faster from lovered Initiative (Stats changes don't disappear immediately when a Pokemon gets swapped out but rather slowly return to normal if it's removed from the battle for enough turns) Flying: Entry Hazard immunity/ Increase Dodge-Rate against attacks that can aim at multiple targets. Rock: Flinch immunity/ If swapped out, recovers much faster from lowered Def/Sp. Def Bug: Confus Immunity Ice: Frostbite and Frost Immunity/ Burn resistance Ground: Paralysis immunity/ can once per battle protect its held item from attacks like Thief, Knock Off or Trick. Poisen: poisen immunity/ If hit by an absorption move, the non-Poison-Type enemy would receive damage instead of recovering HP Fighting: Force switch immunity/ if swapped out, recovers stamina faster. Ghost: Trapping immunity Dark: Prevent enemies from swapping out via moves like Baton Pass or U-Turn Psychic: Allows to see enemies held Item and active ability Steel: Poisen Immunity Fairy: Attract Immunity/ all enemies stats lowered by 5% if from opposite gender or if the Fairy-Pokemon is Genderless, this only affects genderless enemy Pokemon. Dragon: Very slight resistance to all status conditions/ If swapped out, recovers much faster from lowered Atk/Sp.Atk

@@amigomorton7654 Most of these are either in the game already, or are covered by a specific ability

@@Paladin09 I know, just wanted to have a completed list.

nerfing intrepid sword to a static 1.2x boost to attack and removing 20 points of speed would be a good place to start imo. the others are more difficult because it's hard to nail down what exactly makes them so good (other than eleki, which I don't want to nerf because I adore it) ALSO GF WHY DID YOU NOT GIVE ZAMAZENTA BODY PRESS AND WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE BEHEMOTH BASH USE DEFENSE INSTEAD OF ATTACK IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

@@jacksonsmith2955 There are only whole numbers of stage. There isn't a half stage (1.25%) or stuff like that. My suggestion is to put the dogs on par of the other legendaries, that means making the normal forms have 630 stat points and the crowned forms have 680 (like they always were supposed to have). And of course, buff zamazenta.

@@impossiblehanley2732 I didn't mean a half stage, I meant a flat multiplier like Iron Fist.

I'd legalize megas/primals & z-moves 😈

by just redistributing 20 points of zacian's attack into special attack you automatically nerf it by a large degree. most old legendaries have a base 100+ attack stat that they simply don't use. nobody uses kyogre's base 100 attack, or clicks close combat with xerneas's base 130 physical attack, and nobody uses zekrom's base 120 special attack. zacian meanwhile gets to min-max itself and use 20-50 extra stat points out of its bst that other legenadaries are forced to waste. imagine if you swapped zacian's special attack and speed, then changed its ability to pressure. suddenly it's a barely relevant mon that's much weaker than primal groudon, which is the statline every single old legendary shares: high attack in both stats, bad speed, useless ability. or imagine how scary primal groudon would be if it swapped its base 150 special attack with its base 90 speed. thats what zacian feels like right now.

But that could still mean that you can't know which of the moves was a one time use which only addresses part of the problem

Thats just z move

@@Junistheogyup

What if the requirements for a 5th move are that it can only be TM moves, and its a held item, so mega evolutions cant do it since they already holding megastone.

@@Slayer8957 Well it will still be very hard to balence

@@Slayer8957 the Devs even said in an interview that they tested giving Pokemon 3, 5, 6, and even 8 move slots. But chose 4 because that's the most balanced amount of move slots for competitive play

@@ultrawinggaming9764 Testing move slots sizes for sword and shield with dynamax and gmax moves is not a good test case. Dynamax has to be one of the most broken mechanics in any generation, and having more move slots would obviously make it more broken. Having more than 5 move slots should be tested barebones with just abilities and items, no other gimmicks.

Toxapex gonna be moooore annoying in singles

Might have to limit the item to one per team, or things could get out of hand. It could also be an item (or ability!) exclusive to a certain Pokemon. Also, while I'm brainstorming here, would be interesting if you could get a 5th move by sacrificing a move from another mon on the team. Doubt that would work out competitively, but it could be fun as a novelty game mode

@@thatisraelikid37 I think a better way to go about it would be to make it work a bit more like TMs, except they straight up give a pokemon that extra move while held (using them on a pokemon would still work the way it does now). A lot of what made Z-Crystals (and Dynamax) awkward was they were powered up moves already on the pokemon's list. I think this would actually be a good way to bring back HMs in particular, and that way the moves don't have to be made 'EXTRA SPECIAL' to be worth using in the first place. Surf and Waterfall being made into HMs again would be a huge buff to water pokemon though. It doesn't solve the one-per-team clause, but that can be explicit during online battles, while in-game you can have as many as you want. Another option might be a held item that lets certain (any?) pokemon with an exclusive move use those moves, since exclusive moves already exist. I think it would be a problem for Incineroar though, since Darkest Lariat is already good. But that way you could focus on empowering those moves for underpowered pokemon if needed.

I’ve had the idea of allowing TMs function as a one time move when used as a held item, so maybe we could have something like that

@@yeon_ster But that would make it no different from Z-crystals. The only difference would be that you don't have a one-time nuke, making it kind of useless in the long run. It think limited PP should be taken into consideration. Somewhere between 5-10 PP.

@@Strixer-gk2kz No, it would be a one-time utility boost. it would allow more coverage or more support moves that are completely apart from what the mon's set is. It would be a bad idea IMO, but definitely it wouldn't be "useless". Imagine getting to SD on lando without having to waste a moveslot on SD, for example. Absolute insanity.

It would be cool if protect or defend where another option separate to attack, like in many RPGs

Ah yes, let's buff stall. Making the fifth move slot protect just means pokemon that want to use protect just get a free move, and pokemon that don't want to use it get nothing. Consider giving all pokemon free access to swords dance. That isn't an equal buff to all pokemon. It buffs boost sweepers to an extreme extent, giving them an opportunity to have more coverage. Yes, protect can be useful to more pokemon than swords dance, but the ones who can use it well can use it *very* well

the limited pokemon and moves definitely could make it interesting

@@walesjedi9217 also changes like giga and hyperper beam with no recoil

@@tfg990 don't they lower your action speed, though?

if your castform needs more weather, you're doing castform wrong. Now, of course he IS a bad pokemon, no doubt on that, but because of the stats, not because the "gimmick" is bad per se. I think that if instead of 70 in all stats he had, like, 100 in all stats like Mythic pokemon such as Mew, Jirachi and Celebi he'd be pretty strong. All of his sets are meant to be "self-sufficient": Sun Castform has either Fire Weather Ball or Fire Blast, Solar Beam, Thunderbolt and Sunny Day (in singles) or Protect (in doubles, where you can count on companions with weather skills). Rain Castform is probably the strongest, counting on Water Weather Ball/Hydro Pump and 100% accuracy Thunder and Hurricane, plus of course Rain Dance/Protect depending on the format, and a great defensive typing such as Water. Then Snow Castform can run Blizzard (no reason to run Weather ball here because blizzard has 100% accuracy in storm... I mean, I guess you could run weather ball in singles if for some reason you want single target instead of AoE because AoE loses power and can be prevented with Wide Guard. In singles there's literally no reason, other than maybe PP which isn't worth the loss in power), Hydro Pump and Fire Blast, which are moves that do not "use" the weather here but they are amazing for coverage and have high base power. And the fourth slot goes to Hail/protect as always. Sadly snow is the worst weather condition so there isn't much to do to "abuse" it other than 100% blizzard (unlike the bonus for fire moves and one-turn solar beam in sun, and bonus for water moves and 100% thunder and hurricane in rain). He obviously would be the worst of the Castforms, but still Fire/Water/Ice is pretty solid coverage. Castform doesn't need new moves, he needs new stats

Like, if Castform ever gets an evolution which is exactly IDENTICAL in EVERYTHING, from move pool to ability, but the evolution has 100 in every stat (or, even better, 130 in sp.atk and 70 in atk), Castform2.0 would be amazing and work exactly the way I described but this time he'd actually be good. He'd be both a staple in weather teams, AND kind of an "anti weather team" in itself because with Weather Ball you can abuse the weather even if your opponent has weather too and changes it (which I guess is a reason to always run Weather Ball instead of Fire Blast/Hydro Pump, because Fire Blast/Hydro pump becomes useless in the 'opposite' weather if they change weather against your will, while Weather ball always has STAB and weather boost even if you're a "Rain Castform" that is surprised by a Drought switch-in. You'd go "uh, guess I'm sun Castform now". I do think the only thing keeping Castform down is those embarrassing stats. (plus, an Evolution could even make original castform somewhat more viable thanks to access to Eviolite. Still a bad pokemon though)

@@TheSpartanS196 The thing is, if you're using castform in a single type of weather, you might as well just use something else instead. Buffing its stats would make it better focused on just one type of weather, but there's plenty of mons which are already good at being under one type of weather. The thing that makes castform *special* is its ability to transform based on weather, in other words its flexibility, which it can't really express with only four move slots.

@@fredranzalot4849 As I said, castform would be able to adapt to any type of weather (but sandstorm. And even then, Weather Ball becomes rock type under sandstorm, which is an offensively good type). Ninetales(or Charizard or whoever abuses sun) will have a hard time the moment a Politoed goes in, while a Sun-based Castform would be like "uh, not ideal, but ok, nevermind" and become water type (thus resistant to water unlike regular fire pokemons) and spam water type, stabbed, rain-boosted weather balls (sure, he won't be able to use solar beam for coverage, but he's not totally crippled by other weather conditions, unlike regular weather abusers who become instantly bad when another weather conditions kicks in). Still kinda unique, if you ask me. As I said, it may even be an anti-weather mon even in teams not based around weather, to pick when you see that your opponent has weather abusers in the team (implying VGC rules here), so he can abuse weather with an all-in-one weather Mon that likes sun as much as it likes rain (not counting hail because "hail teams" sadly aren't a thing since hail is a bad gimmick). He'd need a sandstorm form of course which I hope he'll eventually get (maybe together with his evolution?). Also, I don't remember any other Water type that can learn BOTH Thunder and Hurricane. Its rain form would abuse weather with all three of its moves which is pretty unique. There are water pokemon that know thunder (Kyogre or Politoed himself), and a bunch that know Hurricane (mostly birds like Pelipper and Swanna). Having both is kind of huge

@@fredranzalot4849 also from a competitive standpoint weather moves are usually bad, you want to set weather with abilities instead, using Sunny Day or Rain Dance is a waste of a turn. Bar some really niche situation in metas were weather wars are really common and you want to ABSOLUTELY have your weather condition (and thus you bring both someone with the ability, and someone else with the move, in case your ability user is KOed or to predict Switch-ins and use the weather move AFTER an ability-user switches in and changes it) up at all times at all costs, no reason to use Rain Dance, Sunny day, Sandstorm or Hail when Drought, Drizzle, Snow Warning and Sandstream exist. Hell, if castform had more slots, even as high and six, I'd just make a Rain one (so Weather Ball, Thunder, hurricans, protect) that also nows fire blast (hit supereffectively ice mons under hail) and solar beam (with fire blast/fire weather ball and solar beam, you'd like sun as much as you like rain). You give me a SEVENTH slot? Hydro pump (so you have a water move even out of rain, and can it hard sand teams even in sand, since two "sand" types out of three are weak to water, and weather ball would not be water type anymore under sandstorm). In any case, I'd never waste a slot on weather moves themselves. You don't have to teach him all the weather moves so he can choose his weather depending on the opponent (and if for some reason you want to, you can with 4 moves: weather ball, rain dance, sunny day, hail. There, you have your "multiple weather castform". You choose one "ideal" weather that is the one you'll set with your other mons in your team, but it would still be great in the fact that a weather "you don't like" isn't going to shut him down completely like it would to a Solar Power Charizard under rain. You'd just be "uh, fine then, rain time it is" and either still do your thing in those few turns until you set your ideal condition again, or just even embrace it and don't even attempt to change and just spam weather balls anyway. While with those stats, you could give him 30 moves, he would still suck

I'm one of those nasty viewers who don't subscribe. My reason being I was hugely into competitive singles back in Gens 4 and 5, but Pokemon was taking a huge chunk of time out of my life I needed to focus elsewhere. I don't subscribe so I won't be pulled back in. I get the recommendations later, which is fine. Might be a dumb reason, but I really don't want to get back into competitive pokemon. It does still interest me though, of course.

@@ddlc_monikajust checking in have you been able to make a work/life balance change in your life yet? or are you still fasting from pokémon?

This would be a terrible idea, at least in competitive

maybe just a type-change instead of specific move

sounds great, but only if the move must be compatible, like a TM. then it wouldnt be random

@Just Some Guy with a Beard Not necessarily if the Pokémon has to learn the move to use the item

You mean z-moves?

The whole part about Landorus and how good it is at using Dynamax kinda drives the point home. It has access to Swords Dance and Max Guard from the same slot. Whaaaaaa?

or even a setup move on top of 4 attacking moves Pseudo-legendaries like Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Garchomp, Hydreigon, Goodra, Kommo-o, and Dragapult Legendaries like Mewtwo, Zapdos, Terrakion, Landorus-T, Zacian, Urshifu, and Dialga Nihilego Nidoking Incineroar (who now has space for Drain Punch on top of it's current set) Rillaboom (who now has space for Superpower or High Horsepower of your choice, on top of it's current set) Tsareena (who would have both U-Turn and Protect) Blastoise (who may even save space for Shell Smash again on top of it's support options like Yawn and Fake Out) Greninja (i don't have anything to say) Cinderace (look above) Ursaluna i could go on and on as long as i want and another, mons that are bad (partially) because of their movepools will be even worse in comparasion

I mean we do have that. And cramorants gulp missile is difficult to get the most out of and that’s not even going into how it sizes up against other Pokémon that exceed it

Cramorant was just designed badly. What even are those disappointing base stats?

Swapping out learnset moves at a a Pokémon center, perhaps?

Makes sense to me. I’d love to be able to swap out moves it’s already learned.

This is very creative and should be looked into

Might be cool for a spinoff honestly

I like this idea i’d say certain pkmn would have access to certain moves exclusive to its species through level up or most likely the HMs for instance..or maybe make it the very first move it learns..or can use outside of battle like FLASH Or HEADBUTT Farfetch’d = Cut Defog is to Swanna Fly is to raqueza salamence Surf is to Lapras Dive is to Wailord Waterfall = Seaking Bounce is to gyarados Dig is to Digtrio.. Teleport,kinesis to Abra Ralts Milk drink is to Milktank Sweet scent is to Oddish and so on.. Also Pikachu volt tackle chansey soft-boiled Flash on Ampharos Blaze kick is to blaizken Aura Sphere is to lucario if a pkmn learns a HM move on it’s own id say because it’s tied to the pkmn fundamental it should have access to that move..

Personally like this, but as a balancer, the Utility Move can only be used 3 times per match, and only one Pokémon can use one per turn. Also, you can have a move that is normally a Utility Move in your Regular Moveset without the heavy limit in use. On top of that, certain Pokémon can use actual Attacking moves as their utility, while others CAN’T have a Utility Move. The stronger the mon, the lower it’s Utility Pool.

Kinda like how in the show they can tell their Mon to dodge as an action but it doesn't always work. But still a lot of pokèmon that run protect normally would just pick a different core move, essentially creating the same problem

well, landorus-t was specifically called out as being so much worse if it could have protect. i think that it’s definitely not as bad as allowing a full extra move, but it’s still able to cause a lot of problems

Maybe as a 'Brace' action? Like you give up your ability to attack, but reduce damage by say 75%. Maybe add in some moves that 'Break' via Strong Style like in Legends Arceus or moves like Hyper Beam could 'Break' but they are stalled for a turn or reduce speed, but give it to everyone like a Z move? IDK... I feel like this would make the Stall section of the game overpowered, but it would make some interesting plays here and there...

@@Hazel-xl8in and zacian too. We’ve all seen the same video. :) I just thought it was an interesting idea that wouldn’t function exactly the same from a mechanical perspective. It would affect choiced sets very differently than a fifth move, for instance. It would favour durability so games could be a little longer and it wouldn’t make it as much of a a guessing game as a fifth move (though I think that tournament play should reveal sets before the game). It also doesn’t have to function exactly like the protect move does. If we want it less luck base, it could be auto-fail if you used it last turn. If you want it more luck (I don’t) it could be just a 1 turn strong evasion boost (like the anime?).

Which is why Im so happy hidden power is gone

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 I think hidden power didn't help much unless something was 4x weak to it and weak to special. That's pretty balanced. Especially since it's usually used against overused mons that are themselves OP, like Hidden power ice on Garchomp or something.

Lol, it would be, would it be an "once use thing" or it could use it as much as it wants?

Thats a diff discussion, this really changes the game in a bad way, theres a reason whenever they tested those out, they make it 4 moves for the final game

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honestly the less powerful/mandatory choice items are the better.

Just imagining Greninja or Cinderace with 5 moves scare me

Seems VERY annoying for singles due to the prevalence of stall strategies. You'd also have to have PP for this guard mechanic as well, otherwise some matches could last literally forever. Protect is such a potent tool that even a lesser version of it is still powerful.

That would be Protect but broken, theres a reason Protect gets decreased chances of using it over and over