Plus order 66 with or without Anakin will still have done the job

How did Sidious use Sith Alchemy to do that?

I’m not so sure Anakin betrayed the Jedi here so much as took his revenge on Mace for killing the one person he thought could save his wife and kids. The author here had to basically put Anakin into a diluted rage in order to force this to happen and as such, Anakin dramatically under performed making first year rookie mistakes left and right in order to allow Windu to win. To put that in perspective, mace wins here because he uses a force push to slam Anakin into the wall and daze him so he can chop his hands off and then throw him out a window. If Anakin had simply started the fight with a force push, he could’ve slammed Windu into a wall, dazed him and chopped his hands off like in canon …. But instead he’s written like a complete EMO 16-year-old who yanks out his light saber and whips it around like Zorro to warn mace in advance, rather than using the element of surprise. That’s not general Anakin Skywalker, that’s not the chosen one, that’s not even a competent Jedi knight… that’s a caricature who’s been set up to fail from the beginning. Somehow Anakin has spent the last 15 years of his life being trained as a Jedi, a group of detached controlled emotionally disciplined space wizards who think clearly under stress….. but behaves as if he has never received a single day of Jedi training other than saber combat. In short, Obi-Wan Kenobi is a really shitty teacher if he hasn’t conveyed any of the basic tenants of Jedi philosophy to his student, and the council are really shit at their job to have knighted Anakin Skywalker, if he exhibits none of the traits of a Jedi. Contrast this brash obnoxious impulsive, impetuous child with Darth Vader. One of them has mental discipline and focus befitting a force user, The other one is in a caricature of a hormonal teenager. This is part of why I loved seeing Hayden. Christensen reprise his role in Ahsoka. His performance is 10 times better now that he’s a little bit older, a little more mature, and isn’t under the direction to portray the character like an out of control rage filled hormonal idiot. Obviously, the character of Ahsoka didn’t exist when revenge of the Sith was filmed, and as such Anakin was never portrayed as a teacher. Getting to see Anakin imparting wisdom to his padawan on the battlefield, and demonstrating why he was such an incredibly effective general was a fantastic payoff for a character that was essentially wasted in the movies. Darth Vader was a menacing villain, because he was controlled and precise, Anakin Skywalker was obnoxious because he exhibited very little self-control throughout the movies. Getting to see this more mature version of Anakin that makes so much more sense in context, really helped the character and made it more believable that Anakin and Darth Vader could be the same person.

Your right buddy

Anakin was always treated like an outsider. The council always treated him like an outsider… the other Padawans, the knights, everyone treated Anakin Skywalker like he was different…. And not the good kind of different. The council royally fucked up by making Obi-Wan explain why they wanted Anakin to spy on the chancellor by himself …. And do it after class. Palpatine scored big there because Windu didn’t know how to separate his distrust of the chancellor from his distrust of Skywalker. If Mace had just treated Anakin like he was a member of the council instead of so obviously only accepting him under protest, and treating him like a redheaded stepchild …. All this shit could have been avoided. Imagine if they had openly discussed their concerns about the chancellor in council, bringing Anakin into their confidence. The difference would have been night and day. Anakin would almost certainly have wanted to defend the chancellor in front of the masters, and the masters would have been been able to push back and give Anakin all of their rationale for why something ain’t right with Palpatine. Instead, they come across like a bunch of paranoid monks distrustful of the father figure in Anakin’s life….. and he defended that person

The council and screwed up and practically handed him over.

All that is true. As to why Padme took a long time to forgive him…well…the whole killing younglings thing is a good start. Choking her on Mustafar is another. Terrorizing their own children is quite a tough pill to swallow.

So true

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I think Dooku is one of the few Sith where Windu doesn't have an advantage. In his early days as a Sith, Dooku wasn't fully committed to the dark side, he didn't even have the "Sith eyes" at any point of his life, even when the pull from the dark side got stronger over time and even started to hurt Dooku's body. So I think a fight vs Dooku could go either way and I think the more relevant factors here would be Dooku's age and Windu's shatterpoint. For Maul: he would have made short work here. But at this point they weren't even sure that the Sith returned, so it was save to assume that Qui-Gon as a fine swordsman himself and Obi-Wan could handle it.

Against maul,it was form VII vs Form VII so it wouldn’t help,and in episode 2 dooku is actually stronger than mace I’m pretty sure,he held his own against a much younger Yoda and when he was in his good days

A bog standard marine infantryman could kill just about any force user …. Just use a gun rather than a blaster and the Jedi are 99% less resilient since they can’t reflect shots.

It doesn't confuse me at all. If Anakin had worries all he has to do was talk with Padme but no he ignored the training and relationships he had with the Jedi and was willing to work with the sworn enemies of the Galaxy the Sith I don't know if I could trust that person either if I was in her shoes.

Anakin just committed attempted murder, a very serious crime. I know that if someone close to me tried to murder someone else, even if they were manipulated into doing it, I would never forgive them or trust them ever again.

​@@mddojo didn't windu just assassinate palps? Because I would say that's worse - at least from a civilian standpoint

Didn’t anakin’s slaughter of the Tuskan raiders happen in this timeline? I feel like Padme would be shaken by that

@@korhol2065 considering in canon she didn't really mind, no. After all it was understandable for him lashing out (minus the kids). She forgave him pretty quickly

Yesss I take a lot from that novel

@@thestarwarsgalaxy im getting it soon and I heard it’s a good read so cant wait

@@thestarwarsgalaxydooku was toying with anakin

@@thestarwarsgalaxybut good story

I always liked Windu personally.

I probably don't understand his character.@@darthnowlan

@@AGenomeSoldier Probably don't.

Don’t forget, Palpatine was completely legally justified in executing order 66 because the Jedi did in-fact, engage in treason against the Republic by attempting to assassinate the elected leader of the galaxy, with no evidence of a crime.

@@Matt-yg8ub technically yes however only because the recording was deleted

@@johnjly5295 how do you figure? Watch that scene again for master space wizards walk into the chancellors office, light sabers, drawn, waving those suckers around, attempting to assassinate him and Palpatine straight up says it’s treason before fighting back. That recording justifies palatines‘s actions. He could’ve played that in the center of the Senate meeting to thunderous applause. The Jedi straight up committed treason against the Republic

@@Matt-yg8ub no Mace declared Palpatine under arrest for treason then Palpatine asked if they intend to kill him in which Mace says that's up for the senate to decide. Then the following exchange happens Palpatine: "I am the senate" Mace: "not yet" Palpatine: "then it is treason" He then pulls out his saber and attacks them after a sith howl. Palpatine was referring to the his attack on them not their attempt to arrest him. Also if you pay attention the the comics they had evidence that Palpatine was playing both sides and had talked to Bale Organa about it on the way to arrest Palpatine. Also another factor that confirms this is that George Lucas himself has stated that the recording was manipulated after so it looked as if they attacked him unprovoked(also mentioned in the comics, in legends, and in lore). Also in the comics the manipulated video was played for the senate. There's only so much that was able to be put in the movie due to time constraints.

@@johnjly5295 so you’re saying, they retroactively plugged a bunch of plot holes in some supporting material somewhere along the way. That’s not what was in the movie. In the movie, Anakin confronts mace in the hanger and Mace tells him that they’ve just gotten word that general grievous is dead and they’re going to go confront Palpatine and force him to give up his emergency powers or else. Four Jedi just appointed themselves to supersede the Senate and the courts and demand that the chancellor bend to their will. Anakin informs him that the chancellor is a Sith Lord, at which point mace changes his plan from an extrajudicial coup to a gangland assassination. Don’t believe me? Then how come Anakin Skywalker is standing there, pleading with Mace to arrest the chancellor and Mace says he’s too dangerous to be kept alive and takes a swing with his light saber before Anakin disarms him?

I don’t think Anakin had any reason to kill anyone…. His motivation here is that he needs Palpatine to save Padme and he’s concerned that Mace isn’t going to just arrest him, but rather kill him…. Which is technically treason against the Republic. Imagine trying to explain this to the Senate. It’s not illegal to be a Sith, not that the senate even knows what the hell that means … Windu and the masters literally just randomly went and assassinated the supreme chancellor of the Republic because they believed he was a member of a rival gang

@@iLoveBuckets69 No, as in how it would affect Obi-Wan and how it would also affect Palpatine's plans. English can be a funny sometimes

He did What if Padmé was a Jedi already

@@milespierre66 yes but about Anakin’s mother

Yes it was deleted and replaced with another scene where she is stabbed by anakin, which was also deleted Basically she didnt get killed by grevious and she doesnt have an actual death

Mace committed high treason against the Republic by assassinating the supreme chancellor. General Skywalker attempted to take him into custody and was grievously injured by the treasonous bastard in the process. The Jedi might be right that Palpatine was behind the war… but they have no proof . They literally executed a hit on the chancellor because Anakin told them he was a member of a rival gang. Worse than that… even before Anakin gave them that slim excuse…Mace and the council were on their way to depose the legitimate leader of the republic. It was a coup. Plain and simple

Windu committed high treason against the republic and assassinated the supreme chancellor. Attempting to stop him was Anakin’s duty to the Republic