KZ-74 off the Florida straights, July of 1943. Odd place for only one lost to enemy combat. Thanks for tugging my memory to check out the many other wild details of that incident, including sailors on the recovery ships trying to fight off the sharks with small arms fire. Blimp just settled down easy on the water; some crew riding the still-inflated parts like a raft (engine was hit/exploded which brought her down). And while they didn't sink the sub, the charges they DID drop on it were enough to cripple it. British Navy found it as it was limping back and sent it to the bottom.

The extremly Low Chances of a shark attack, u-boat attack AND being in an airship are enough but ALL AT ONCE? The odds, eh?

So this proves it. Sharks are more dangerous than airship crashes. Science.

⁠@@sizanogreen9900and since vending machines are more dangerous than sharks, they must also be much more dangerous than airship crashes!

Poor guy

honestly, the style is fire

Airships are hot, and then they aren't

@@Richard.Vox., true but statically speaking the Hidenburg had a higher survival ratio then the Titanic.

They’d be an interesting experience but there’s a weight limit to them so most material in the passengers areas were made of light flimsy material and wasn’t good for sound prove lol

Them planes just can't handle the thicc-ness an airship has

And the very tippy-top of the Washington Monument is a little pyramid of aluminum...

And many of the medallions made for George Washington's funeral were made of aluminum

@@rtpoealso that only a few years after completion, the means to effectively and efficiently produce aluminum was discovered/invented, completely crashing the value of aluminum.

Its funny because aluminium is actually extremely common, it just wasn't until recently that we had an efficient way to refine its ore

It's nice knowing an aluminum soda can could make Napoleon feel small.

Yep, that's about what it boils down to, without helium being mass-producible airships were always doomed to fail (or, the usual steampunk "explanation" of a method of making hydrogen not explosive, but no, science says no)

Not every 'What if' makes that much of a difference, unfortunately.

The world simply wouldn't exist without the Jokes like oh the humanity will be different

You beat me to it! xD

@@throwaway7969 theres no competition because i think everyone associates Hildenburg jokes will the disaster, its unavoidable xD

Imagine a world without an Archer episode

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Yes indeed. Sad that their utility is so limited. In the 1970s advertising blimps became a thing. A good way to monetise the *cool* factor.

They look so weird to me. I see the photos of them and can hardly believe it’s real and that those things were really flying around at one point

Just look in the sky above your average sporting event. Blimps DO have a place in our world. Just not for the important crap. Still doesn't change the fact that I want to one day experience flying in one!

Oh, they set the imagination on Fire alright.

One must never underestimate the "Rule of Cool.™️" 😎

And the few passengers that did jump off in panic didn’t survive the fall

About 1/3 of the passengers and crew were fatalities according to Wikipedia. So technically a minority, but still significant enough to make me hesitate to say "most" survived.

the actual deadliest disaster was a US rigid airship filled with helium - the USS Akron. 73 out of 76 people died

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@@MathMasterism it is most by definition, but yeah, it's not great

Just imagine the cinematic possibilities. "I'm tired of these motherfuckin' snakes on this motherfuckin' LZ 127 Graf Zeppelin!" just rolls right off the tongue.

Do a what if Adolf Hitler didn't get introduced into politics

@@Pellagrah Graf Zeppelin was the name of the ship, that's like saying "I'm tired of these motherfuckin' snakes on this motherfuckin' Clipper Maid of the Seas". And yes, that was the name of an airliner.

Was hoping he'd mention that one.

The brits used them far far more and they were effective from what I recall. They also tied wire with weights to another type of balloon to pull powerlines or some retarded shit. Plus the whole fact of ballons being used for spying for like decades. They're cheap simple and work, they fly high and stay "hidden". Unless its a massive massive Chinese one which was tracked for ages and no one cared about because they knew what it was doing right away. And could have popped it before it even reached the coast. But that would A let China know more about our tech B let them think they're cuckthetic passive aggressive threats matter and C cause the media to talk about this blow it up and make it seem like something important even tho this happens all the time. Since we live in the time of social media no fucking shit someone would noticed the balloon and post about it. Thus the government had to figure out how to play this while not making themselves look bad or making China mad and sad because it was just a poor old weather balloon think of the Chinese peoples feelings shooting down their poor weather balloon with fighter jews China did nothing wrong China is never violating air space and ocean treaties with other countries China totally obeys global laws&regs. God that whole ordeal was so fucking retarded they should have said it was a massive threat China was using it to spy and release covid blast it down and get the world to place heavy embargoes on China for this. And all the BS they are pulling in the south "Chinese" sea claiming the own everything wiping out fisheries attacking every country around them in said countries own waters bullying everyone. Totally isn't going to mak everyone side with Amerca and start screechig how we need to cluster nuke the mainlander and wipe out the CCP ASAP due to them constantally attacking ships in their own waters for the past few years creating fake islands(which are sinking because China cant build anything) claiming they are Chinese islands that have always been their poisoning the water and getting fishing boats to suck the sea dry so no one else can fish and is forced to buy from China. As they come closer and closer to our waters illegally fishing and harming our fishery numbers, as we for whatever reason are not shooting down and detaining illegal Chinese fishing ships violating international law. Because that would hurt the Chinese peoples feelings China is ruining the ocean China isnt illegally fishing the west did it for ages the west totally constantally attacked other nations fishing boats created fake islands and poisoned seas/oceans killing everything while also planting illegal listening bouy's to spy on subs/boats/tap into under sea cables. /autstic rant

Two kids, their mother and maybe someone else there in one incident if memory cells work right. Simply out camping; kids find something strange; let's go see ...

How did japans balloon bombs impact the US mission to strategically bomb them

Also fun fact a japanese balloon also hit an electrical grid which cause delays in the Manhattan, unintentionally.

Or “we are being reinforced with an airship”

“Building. Construction complete. New construction options.”

The wonderer over the sea fog.

"We're shall we strike! Our Homelands are in peril!"

​@@oilersridersbluejays"Silos needed."

Yeah… there was a time when America took pride in not preparing for a war until they were in one. How times change.

For the longest time, the United States would reduce its army after wars, dating back to the end of the American Revolution, due to the fears of a tyrannical standing army.

before world war II, lots of americans hated joining the military. the pay and benefits sucked. some judges would offer military service as a punishment instead of jail. Various perceived moral scandals, lack of recruiting budgets, and the belief all enemies could never pass the ocean-- were all issues that plagued the military after the civil war well into the interwar (post wwi era). At the same time, congress chronically underfunded every branch. after the revolution, congress almost cut out the navy entirely. before WWII, every single branch of the military was undermanned below their peacetime readiness goals.

​@@AwfulfeatureWe have done a pretty good job shrinking our military in recent times. The Navy in particular is a war behind as is tradition.

@@Awfulfeature And then Pearl Harbor happened, one fateful Sunday...

Yeah it would probably stabilize to be something like flying cruise ship (especially after commercial flights tech would become cheap enough around the 60’s)

I love the realistic part, in other alternate history stuff they would've likely said that the hindenberg not happening would've caused zepplins to take over planes in popularity when that just really isn't the case

And every other nation was spying on every other one too. Just others did it more subtly than using an airship 😊

The Hindenburg didn't *really* engage in much explicit espionage, although its younger sibling absolutely did. That being said, to this day, it's fairly rare for Goodyear to bring in one of its Zeppelin NT airships for its yearly maintenance without the crew finding a few bullet holes in the hull.

Not necessarily espionage so much as PR. The nazis subsidized the Zeppelins heavily so the rich folks travelling on them would sing the praises of the new Germany.

It was a rigid airship

"For God's sake, it's not hydrogen, it's HELIUUUUUUUUUUUUUM!"

i like that episode, good times.

"Yeah, which part of this aren't you getting?" "Well, obviously the core concept, Lana."

@@CivilWarMan Years since I'ce seen it, still reading that in Archer and Lana's(LANA!!!) voices! 🤣😎

Finalmente! Procurei demais ate achar um comentário brasileiro. Muito contente por finalmente Drummond receber as honrarias que ele merece! Proud to be Brazilian!

Hussah!

Late april AND early may?? It's magnificent!

Solomon Andrews' dirgible if I remember correctly

Can't help but wonder if old man Maxim been able to do more if lighter engines came along sooner.

I would happily ride upon a zeppelin cruise, over an ocean-based one, if I had the options in front of me!

Yeah they would probably be used for that and probably for inter country travel when you don’t care for the speed much but just need to let’s say: travel from Paris to Lyon and wants something that would be faster than train or car but still wants to enjoy the view

​@@jacob4920You could fly directly from Europe to America over the Arctic. Boats obviously would struggle, and there is a market for that route

​@@thesenate1844polar vortex: *allow me to introduce myself*

This isn't really the case. Passenger airships had their moment specifically *because* they were the fastest option to cross the Atlantic. If you wanted a scenic view and opulence, you picked one of the big transatlantic liners. If you wanted to make a splash and/or get there fast, you took the Graf Zeppelin or the Hindenburg.

History Matters reference.

That also had a certain Fez-wearing Italian Man as an ally?

You only get things named after you if you win. Paul von Hindenburg was a highly capable commander during WW1, and even though his country did lose that war it wasn't for lack of achievements on his part. Even after Germany lost he was still remembered as a patriotic hero - plus he sort-of supported the Nazis (if only out of expediency), which made him influential enough to get such public recognition as an entire line of airships named after him. Shitler, on the other hand, was a moron who thought 'lets invade Russia in winter' and 'America is all the way over there, they can't hurt me.' He lost his war so hard, what was left of Germany was carved up and turn into puppet states. No-one is naming things after him. Still, he did succeed in his dream of a unified Europe. Everyone else unified against him.

@@vylbird8014 Hitler invaded Russia in late June...

@@smalltime0 And was still invading Russia six months later. If you invade Russia you have a very brief window before the weather turns.

Hell, we might not have had Led Zeppelin AT ALL. I don't want to live in that timeline.

And they probably wouldn't've been *called* Led Zeppelin, maybe keeping their original name, *the New Yardbirds.*

@@andrewgutierrez4841 That is my thoughts also.

We'd also probably lose the iconic Icarus cover too. This timeline sucks.

This, I believe, is the most consequential aspect of the question that was proposed.

Sup my man

unintentional Viktor Tsoi jumpscare?

Or a video on if the Sino-Soviet border conflict escalated to all out war.

Holy Roman Empire, here we come

That, uh, sure is something.

I… don’t think that’s how Nuclear weapons work, but that’s pretty funny “Oh Hans, something seems wrong on zhe Airschip” “Hmm? Oh, pressure ist off” (Flips switch) “Done” “Good, now to- vhat is zhat?” “Vhat ist vha-“ *BOOOOOOM*

It's worth noting that the plan involved a lot of Nazi gold and the Mob with a Nazi contact, but yea when I first read that book my brain basically just short circuited with how silly the scenario was. And apparently they never ended up rebuilding the eastern seaboard after thousands of years in that timeline which is bizzare and stupid.

@@santiagoperez3024 I think he meant the spies on the hindenburg were able to steal secrets from the manhatten project at the last second and change events.

Glad to see someone else in the comments has read it! My favorite one in the series

Reminds me of the other world in Fringe.

9/11 probably wouldn't have happened.

Wouldn't that affect ww2 quite a bit?

Being an airplane pilot in WWI was already ridiculously deadly, there's some horrific statistics for them. The presence of serious AA capabilities might have made airplane use in combat straight up impossible.

It’s on my “I would if I could” kinda things list for sure. Re cargo I always think oh yeah I bet that’s a good eco friendly option but it would require a lot of things coming slower and I can see that going down like a lead balloon for most

Cargo is actually a great explanation for airships, they fill a niche similar to trucks, slower but cheaper than planes, faster but more expensive than ships or rail. But with the trade off of more expensive production for cheaper operating costs. Airships are -maybe- making a comeback despite the negative image because of cargo. They 100% would have served that role with the unfairly negative PR of the hindenburg (even hydrogen airships were actually safer than planes)

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​@@hollithomas899the main problem would only be the initial cost. It takes a lot of materials and money, but I think it would be as durable as cargo planes but much more capacity and less fuel to run. But, that initial cost alone might discourage every investors that came across, so maybe it wouldn't happen soon.

@@shironee_2384 Good for emergencies in difficult to reach areas as well. The main issue - both with that and cargo - is ballast.

Ad victoriam

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Impossible. Apartheid SA, or just South Africa, would've fell eventually. Nelson Mandela only delayed the inevitable.

"You never cease to disappoint me" is meeean lol

@@amberhernandez Maybe they meant "amaze" or?

the problem with airships wasnt shooting them (they had bi-planes with interrupt gears when the london raids started), its that the hydrogen didn't catch fire as they expected them to. The bullets tore through the canvas bladders (when/if they hit), but didn't cause enough of a leak to down them. Later they'd make delayed incendiary rounds

It would be... towards the end of the 1800s, once Otto publishes his design for a new type of engine.

I was looking for this. although 'Timeless' is not a documentary.

@@norsie45 Nah, I’m pretty sure the handsome doctor from ER went back in time in a giant golf ball to shoot Abe Lincoln that one time.

The Wright flyer didn't require a catapult or a head wind to lift off the ground anymore than modern aircraft do, it just shortened distance they needed for the take off run (very important considering there wasn't any run ways at Kitty Hawk). Also why would Santos-Dumont be considered the first? The Wright brother's first flights predated him by almost a whole three years and had far more success in basically every metric of those flights, (mainly distance, altitude, and controllability). And even if you discount the 1903 flights, the Brothers flew the third version of their Wright Flyer 39 kilometers in 1905 (with witnesses), almost a year before Dumont's first flight.

Dumont didn't even have the first flaps. That was Robert Esnault-Pelterie.

@@zetablackstar2410 I didn't say he had the first flaps. I said his plane had flaps. There were even other planes before both Santos-Dumont and Wright brothers. But Wright brothers and Santos-Dumont were the first to succeed with a functioning plane

@@ozzy6852 it's just Brazilians being Brazilians... Give us a discount. I don't really care who did it first. I personally consider their flight as the first one because it literally was... Brazilians were too attached to the semantics of what a plane is instead of what a flight is.

@@DarthGTB That’s fair

I'm pretty sure the same Cody from Pointlesshub said he has a wife

It happens. The same thing happened for quano and natural rubber. There are ghost towns still slowly decaying that were abandoned because they existed for the sole purpose of gathering a once-scarce resource that was replaced by a synthetic alternative.

YES

Thus, it is possible that rigid airships could have been made earlier.

"... to Gnostic Christianity and not Catholicism?" - you're bringing in a somewhat modern dichotomy that would have been less clear back then. And what Constantine did as Emperor flowed from his imperial urges, not really from an attempt to engineer Christianity. Patriarchy was a thing in Rome, and there wasn't going to be another option.

@@TheDanEdwards yes, I know the correct terminology is proto-orthodoxy, but most don't know that so I didn't use that term

​@@TheDanEdwards Yeah. *Gnostic Christianity* wasn't ever really a thing.

Possibly. But we have plane crashes now and that doesn't stop us from using planes. If that disaster happens after they are ubiquitous there is incentive for better safety standards not a complete abandonment.

@@GodwynDi they were abandoned because planes were more efficient.

From a parasitic worm?

​@@jakeaurod it was because he held in a sneeze actually.

Yes a family discovers the device and are injured unalived