The Scandinavian peoples call each other "broderfolk". A very apt description. With all the feelings of community and rivalry. We would never accept any of the other Scandinavians to rule over us. 😁

As a Finn, if there ever comes a day when EU falls apart, I'd be happy to create a new union with our brother nations in the North.

On the topic of Denmark and Sweden, I would say. We are separated only by a canel and a thousand years of wars, and connected only by a bridge and 1000 Years of Brotherhood.

I think there exist no other neighboring countries in the history that have been fighting each other so thoroughly as 🇩🇰 🇸🇪. Shall we call this brother of love?❤

I think it could be a great thing to do. But the number of different political parties in the first years would be insane 😳

Fascinating and innovative video. Mange tak!

This was great brainstorming, guys! 😃 Fun to think about and perhaps a serious possibility in the near future? hello from Hundested 🌸🌱

"the royals... let's scrap them..." oh boy Derek.. dont go there, you just put your hand in a Bee nest.

Great topic guys. It reminded me about the web comic 'Scandinavia and the world'

There's a definite kinship that could be cultivated even more in this idea. I'm sure the autonomy issues would rear their heads pretty soon though. But a fun vision indeed. Well done.

2:19 You misunderstood the reason for the Wars. Both Denmark and Sweden wanted to recreate the Union, just with slightly different views of which Royal House and Capital it should have.

I would be in favour of a unification of the Nordic countries. I think we should go for the South African solution for capitals though, having multiple capital cities. I also think language-wise the best solution would be to just keep the current system largely, since pretty much everyone learns a continental North Germanic language in school already. We'd just have to get better at teaching some of the other ones to increase mutual intelligibility, more exposure. Perhaps those of us speaking a continental North Germanic language natively should learn at least some Finnish as well. In the end though there are several hurdles to overcome before this would ever happen, many of them economical. For Norway joining the EU for example is not really an option due to fishing and especially agriculture. It's so difficult and expensive to farm in Norway that it requires considerable government subsidies, so in a union for a "fair" market that would all be gone.

Hahaha... Great brainstorm on the eurovision dilemmas with a new kalmar union 😅

Especially since you released that on Germany's reunification day I can say: Easier said than done. Germany was divided for 45 years, together now again for 32 and... well, Facebook relationship status would be "it's complicated" ;)

A Kalmar Union sounds like a great idea. I hope they do it. 👍💡The Scandinavian countries all have a high quality of life and wise governments. There is power in joining forces.

Strictly speaking, Margaret I was not queen. She was Regent (in Denmark) on behalf of her son and Queen-consort (in Norway and Sweden), but not queen in her own right. She definitely deserved it, and when Margaret II of Denmark ascended the Thone, she chose to be “II” to celebrate her predecessor.

Loved the whiskey tango foxtrot :D

Dream on, guys, the Kalmar Union eventually failed the first time, it’s not going to succeed the second time. We are happy as sibling nations, but one family all together in one house? Nah, it’s ain’t gonna happen. Besides, Greenland dreams about independence. Not about a closer Anschluss to the the other Nordic countries. As for potential oil wealth in Greenland….well, lots of talk, lots of speculation, and lots of exploration, but the fact remains that not one drop of oil has actually been found in Greenland. Furthermore, the Greenland government is very iffy about any kind of oil drilling or mining due to the obvious pollution problems of such activities that invariably will be a threat to our traditional way of life in Greenland which involves hunting and fishing.

Like the idea

A union would propably be a union of nations, like a mini-EU where every state keeps it's name and institutions, rather than a US like one country. Then royal families and Eurovision would be no problem at all. And sports... well, the UK lets every country compete in football as themselves... So, if the EU and/or NATO would collapse, maybe a nordic union would emerge... but more like a federation and not like a nation.

Perfect idea.

Btw i saw the "Margrete den første" movie in the theater, and it was really good, the history i knew was brief so it did a great job teaching a little and making me look up the history later on.

love the way you explain these history events :) interesting idea of a new kalmar union... not going to happen anytime soon. eurovision problems hahahahhahaaa

I'm Danish and would 10000% support this....Even if it meant Denmark would have to compromise on a lot of stuff.

Our cultures are more different than people from the outside see, after we have been at war with each other for more than a thousand years, we have found a model that works, good borders and lots of cooperation, but each our country and culture, everything else creates chaos, we don't want more wars, siblings don't live together as adults. We are strong when we cooperate, but would become weak if we were to be foolish enough to try to become a unit, there would be far too many infighting.

Fascinating piece, but I would probably have spent a little bit of speculation that Greenland would not want to be in it so much. Over the years they've been working hard on trying to get more and more independence from Denmark. I believe they are more inclined these days to consider themselves a North American country than a European one. (Which is logical.)

The Kalmar Union is not totally abollished - that is what keeps the Faroe Islands (which was part of Norway) and Denmark together. Some legislation intended for Norway only - parts of king Christian 5. Norwegian law from 1683 is still in effect in the Faroe Islands.

I don't think uniqueness would break the mold, we do share alot of history. And even if it were to become 1 country, such uniqueness would't be forgotten

interesting!

No, Norway has only bad experience with unions. Thats why we are not in EU. Also, royal scrapping is a not a suggestion. Its part of our history and important to us.

There's something off w Derek's mic, almost like it's not plugged in or set high enough. There's a clear difference in your audio 🥺

I have had these thoughts too, and i actually would for it, but in my version, they should try and get Letland, Lithauen and Estland to join too.

Absolute pure fantasy but great fun. I cannot forsee (I am a Swede) Norwegians accept a Union with Sweden under any circumstances again. Even if they would have to starve to stay out of the union, they would still take independence anyway. I sort of understand them. Why would they?

I live in Sweden. A nordic union is an interesting thought that I think have been lingering in the back of people's minds for a long time. If a serious proposition came to the table, I believe most swedes at least would say 'YES!' without any second thoughts or need to elaborations. Then, it would take decades to work out the details... The Kalmar union were no happy family but a necessity to counteract the german influence from the Deutsche Orden etc. It was more like a coup d' etat of three states by one royal family with connections to all three families going for the highest prize when chance and skilled politics gave the opportunity. After Sweden leaving, the remnants of the union still existed all the way to the days of Napoleon where Denmark kept it's stranglehold of Norway until it was decided by the powers to be in compensation to Sweden for the loss of the eastern part, now known as Finland, to the Russians which was initiated by Napoleon. The nordic countries today is partly a consequence of the Napoleon wars, which cause some of the tensions still existing between the countries as well. However, I believe we feel more in common with the other nordics than with the mainland europe all in all, and this becomes more evident the farther north you go. This is why a nordic union would be an alternative. However I doubt we are prepared to create a state out of that union at this moment, like the USA. A trade, defence, maybe a foreign politics union could be an option but I think we would like to keep some of our differences to avoid tension between our differences. A common nordic language? Sure, over time it would be a great benefit to us. Finland may beg to differ perhaps but they learn swedish at school and hate it, maybe they would embrace a 'nordic' language differently (as swedish is a bit controversial since the events of 1814). When would such a nordic union become a threat? I'm sure we would at least consider to involve the Baltics and then Russia would go totally bananas of course. Engaging the Baltics would eliminate the possibility of the 20th century attitude to wards Russia where the nordics are reluctantly but still open towards the Russian neighbour. We can't really do this passing by the Baltics but if they are on this train with us, the geopolitics change, the nordic situation will not be the same, the prerequisites changes dramatically. The Nordic council is already a kind of hazy, half-assed union in itself, we have certain benefits reserved within that nordic treaty already, the question is what we would gain or risk out of a deeper collaboration, and that might not be quite as obvious. I think it all comes down to if we as peoples of those countries would be attracted to the idea of a nordic empire or not. This is not far from the once Swedish dream of the Baltic as a Swedish inland sea during the 17th century. You could compare it to the mid-20th century idea Germany brought forth and how it comes to fruition within EU today. I doubt the other nordics would let that pass their eyesight. It certainly wouldn't pass by unnoticed by the leaders in Stockholm I'm sure, whatever they'll say about that. They would go to sleep with a boner just thinking about it even though it's out of line with the present official agenda.

Don't Sweden my Norway. Don't California my Texas.

I see a new Kalmar Union being more of a Treaty organisation similar to Nato or EU, but able to prioritize Nordic ideals and progress. At most being similar to United States. With Turkey denying swedish entrance to NATO, having a Baltic/North Sea alliance localized to the Nordic regions, as well as loosely uniting their military (especially navy), they can ensure theyre own security and trade better than current disposition. One thing to note is if a Nordic Union formed, the Russian Baltic fleet would be completely outmatched. Currently it's capable of easily taking on any one or two of the Scandinavian countries in the Baltic. But united Russia doesn't stand a chance. Furthermore, I could see them acting as a single political entity in regards to foreign and military affairs, with combined army, Navy, and Air Force, but work completely independently in regard to domestic policy and governance. This would separate their reliance almost completely on larger, slower, more bureaucratic organisations like EU and NATO, able to react to shifts in economics and threats more readily.

when it comes to hockey in the end we will always win.

You had me convinced, right up until Eurovision. LESS drama in my EUROVISION?! No, never, not gonna happen; Nordic unity is off the table permanently 😆 Jokes aside, with all the work the Nordic Council has accomplished over the years, the Nordics are closer knit now than they ever were during the Kalmar Union years. Apart from imports/exports and trade, you can pretty much just pull up your stakes, and move wherever you want to a much greater degree than even the EU framework allows. Also, disappointed you didn't mention Faroese fish exports 😜 If you've ever eaten high-end (aqua culture) salmon, it's most likely Faroese 😊

Sounds good. Please please can Northern Ireland and Scotland join too? 😂 most of us have Viking blood anyway. 💗

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The borders you mentioned at 4:43 you forgot to mention we would also be sharing a land border with Australia and the UK in Antarctica.

Impressive studies of interest for this video! The pandemic was a kick in the Nordic Council’s butt to deliver. There is already defense agreements but I believe NATO will actually bring something similar to a union as EU and UN also has problems to deliver.

It would be a great idea if it wasn't for the problem with the Eurovision Song Contest 😀

I thought your informative, and interesting idea sounded great, up until you mentioned scrapping "my" Swedish royal family. Then you mentioned Eurovision. No, Nope, won't happen! But I still really liked the video. 😃

Make a new standard Scandinavian language based on all continental North Germanic dialects. Or just force everyone to speak Sami. Make a new capital far up north at the border between Finland, Norway and Sweden, with a parliament building made out of ice. Then make it an elective monarchy, where a new (still powerless) monarch is chosen every 4 years in a reality tv show.

Very nice. Danish born. Loving my fellow siblings. (You can visit) More than 3 days! Piss off. The short story.

We in the Nordics have had a military cooperation since a long time ago and Sweden and Finland have had an even closer relationship (was one of the reasons why we applied for NATO at the same time as we both join or not) then we in the Nordics have had many joint exercises over the years. Then we in Sweden have another name for the king who decided and it is Kristian Turran when you call him Kristion the Great. I saw that you will have elections soon and it might be interesting to hear your interpretation of the political parties you have in Denmark (I think it's confusing with your conservative party called Venstre as in Sweden we have the Vänsterpartiet (similar spelling to yours) which has its basis in the Communist Party) but it will not be a return to the time when no one wants to give up their right to determine their own country's path, but we have had cooperation since Sweden gave away Norway (they would vote to become part of Sweden again after 100 years but I can't find if it was even reached then it was clear who would win)

This might be a specifically Norwegian thing, but we would NEVER entertain the idea of another union, as it would go against our deep rooted culture, and values(we already fought several wars about this very thing) and cherish our independence with a passion. A "Nordic Confederacy/League" is something we could likely entertain the idea of though. As in all the nordic nations would keep their own sovereignty, and have full autonomy of their own internal politics, but create even deeper trade/commerce ties and create a joint foreign policy and military. This would in essence just be a strengthening/boost of the already existing Nordic Council(Sweden would first have to make some serious changes first though, and exorcise their facination with Blarian multiculturalism). Considering our shared history, values and perspective I think that could possibly succeed, and strenghten all of us on the geo-political scene, but an actual Union is completely out of the question! We value our sovereignty and autonomy too much, and to paraphrase what someone wrote in a comment here: "Although we might be like siblings, we have lived apart for many years now, and adult siblings although they love eachother, would not enjoy living together under the same roof once more".

The amount of natural resources in the Nordics are absoultely insane, bring back the union!

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I think it is a good idea. Norway and Sweden is building their own military equipments Denmark chips in with electronics as we build for the F35 fighter

The Nordic Union is a very good idea, but the individual countries will not and must not give up their sovereignty. It will be a continuation of EFTA without the EU. Countries such as Scotland, the Schleswig-Holstein, The Baltic states, the Netherlands, Ireland should also be included

I would think making Kalmar the capital would be the logical choice for the Kalmar union

Let me correct a big misconception. A new Kalmar Union will consist of a Union of sovereign countries, where the most important thing will be trade. It will be called the Nordic Union. There will be several joint embassies where each country will be represented, this model exists in several countries already today. There will be a Nordic Song Competition that surpasses esc. Sports competitions and cultural activities. An expanded energy network and infrastructure. Countries such as the Baltic countries, Scotland, Ireland and the Netherlands will be included. And possibly also eventually New Zealand, Australia, Canada and Schleswig-Holstein.

Flag: Yellow with red cross. Capital: Uppsala (for historical reasons)

I am from sweden 🇸🇪

The solution must be: adopt the Icelandic flag, because it is the most beautiful, - the Danish energy policy because it is the most rational, - the Norwegian language "bokmål" because it is intelligible and sounds happy, - the Finnish constitution because it is the most democratic and well-balanced, and we'll add a ceremonial over-royal layer, with the Swedish "drottning" Victoria as a symbol of kinship-values.

The think is, I'm sure a union would not be possible now, there are to many minor differences that are major in terms of national differences, for a union to succeed if it was put together in an instance. But say we start out with cross border cooperation with energy and energy export, do the same with energy as we did originally with SAS, do that for some 30-40 years. Create a pan-Nordic military, that is manned with selected personnel from each Nordic country's military, and gets allocated parts, say 10-15%, of the defence budget of each nation, with an expressed intention of integrating a larger part the different countries military into this pan-Nordic Armed Forces. Do that for 30-40 years, perhaps 60-70 years. Then reopen our monetary project and link up the currencies, then wait some 30-40 years again. Next could be giving the Nordic Council a bit more political power on the international arena, and wait some 30-40 years again. Continue on such a path, and I'd say you would get a union after some 2-300 years. Or the EU could collapse, Trump or another of his ilk getting power in the USA and destroying NATO, with Russia back on its feet and starting annexing things not theirs again, and you may see a Nordic Union in less than 10 years.

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9 languages--I can think of Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Finnish, Faroese, Icelandic, Greenlandic. Which 2 am I missing?

As fun as it is to have a brother, you don't want to live with your brother. It's good to have a house of your own. We more or less have the benefit of a union, with EU, EES and the Nordic council. And we can still tease each other and compeet. The football game btw Denmark and Sweden is the most important game in Denmark. The hockeygame btw Finland and Sweden is religion in Finland. And there is a bit of a rivalry between Norway and Sweden in crosscountry skiing. Why just Sweden in those games? Because Sweden behave as the big brother of Scandinavia. They got better out of WWII and got a boosted economy in 3-4 decades, but now basicly overruned by both Denmark and Norway. Probably Finland too. But they still think they are the big brother. Calling Stockholm "The capital of Scandinavia". Naahh, I don't think a full union into one country is the way to go further. That would give Sweden to many ideas. And the other countries will probably let Sweden sort out some of their problems themself. The organized gang violence. 50 homicides with firearms so far this year in Sweden. Maybe not much compared to St Luis och Chicago, but in the Nordic countries that is alot. The others don't want "Svenske tilstande".

This is content a pan-scandinavian can enioy :)

Playing with the idea of the Kalmar Union (or the Nordic Council/Nordic Union) is something that some of us Scandinavians, Nordics or Baltics do on r/KalmarReunion and many have come up with fantastic suggestions on how we could have done it and also be a major player in Europe or the rest of the world. Personally, I would have preferred that we continue with the former Kalmar Union (If possible) and continue with both the Danish and Swedish fronts, thus making sure that the Faroe Islands, Iceland, Greenland, Finland (with the Kola Peninsula and all of Karelia), and Estonia (Ingria as the eastern half of the country ) are member states of the Union while the United Kingdom of Scandinavia is the founder of the Kalmar Union.

I couldn't figure out what the 'kamer-union' was until I realised you mean Kalmarunion.

It was silver at the 1998 olympics. Not bronze

Can have a Union whit separate states. An outside EU

You missed NORDEFCO.

As a Dane, I woudn't mind leaving EU in favor of a new union, with close relations to EU, something like Norway has now

Fun episode. You did not get into what advantages Kalmar 2 would bring? Sports, size and population ranking is not a benefit. What could we do better together than we do seperate today? I think Scotland would also love to join. Maybe Kalmar 2 could take back our old lands: England, Ireland, Slesvig, Quebec and Russia. A good name would be: Vikings 😉

Hope Kalmar would be the centre as well 🙂 nice town

Who are we supposed to make fun of tho? On that basis I can not agree to this.

In Eurovision Scandinavia would simply vote for one of the Baltic nations or possibly Ireland.

I Think al Nordic countries will get better if we work as one !

I think it wholey depends on how a new Kalmar union would be structured. Would it be like the US, or maybe more like the EU. We already have the beginnings with the nordic council. I think a lot of people would vote yes for the more EU style of union. A united states of scandinavia however would be a lot harder. Unlike the US each country here has a decent amount of history of being a soveriegn nation. The flag problem alone might mean that it couldn't happen. There is no way you are making the danes use a new flag instead of Dannebrog

Navy cooperation in NATO like the air forces do? How would fire brigades cooperate in large forest fires? Preventing the spread of dangerous plant and animal diseases together? Moving food between countries easier? Come up with more cooperation ideas....

I think that If it ever came to, it would most likely be like the USA, were the countries become states under a federal government (the Nordic counsel). I honestly think that it would become the new "American dream" as... You know... We actually have rights, and politicians who (mostly) believe in and fight for our rights...

Norway would probably be the one losing out on this, dropping down on the GDP per capita ranking 😎

The historic enmity between Denmark and Sweden had very deep reasons. Dannes will mention the annexing of Skåne, Halland and Blekinge, and the Swedish genocide of danes in those areas. Swedes might mention the bloodbath in Stockholm. Let's just say that no other two nations have had as many wars. Heroes from the wars against Sweden are still very much celebrated in Denmark. For instance, look up the guy on the matchboxes, Tordenskjold. Or Niels Juel, the guy with the statue at the most expensive address in the country, next to Holmens kirke. Throwing drunken Swedes into the Harbour at Nyhavn was a Copenhagen sport well into the 20th century. In the EU, Denmark always sides with Germany and Sweden always sides with a France. Not because we agree with those countries, but because of mutual hatred. So a new Nordic union could have Denmark. Our it could have Sweden. But there is no way it could have both. Me, I love Sweden. The only bad thing about it is the swedes.

"warning ironi occur" - What if Scandinavia just reclaimed the USA, hold a sham referendum, since it was Vikings first trying to colonise it - according to Putin-logic.

I think it could happen - but after a model like the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, where England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales act as constituent countries, that can impose "state-wide" laws, and where the UK as a whole is a federation. In practice, that would probably be the Nordic Union of Kingdoms and Republics, that controls governmental topics like justice, foreign affairs, trade, defense and emergency management, where other topics are still a matter of state-wide politics. The issue with UK however is that England and the UK are not always that separable, which makes in particular Scotland unhappy with the union, but I think that a federation could embrace those differences.

Regarding the Monarchs I feel that under such a union they should all still exist without any issue maybe make a requirement of them to act in unison when it comes to unified Nordic union's prime minister essentially a similar solution as we have now just on the larger scale. and notice how I used a different name than Kalmar Union as it in the other countries have a negative association to that name.

Impossible. Norway have tried unions with these countries before. Disaster.

Kom igjen brødre. Vi gjør det.

Göteborg should be the capital. It's in the middle

Nice try, but no thanks 🙂. They are good friends, but I prefer to have my own house. Btw. is Danish history a hobby of yours or a part of your job?

Yes the danes sure Sweden has always been the big brother up here and we still are we even went east up rivers and founded villages and in time we seem to have layed the ground for for example russia to see the day of light. Karl the 12 was out kicking but all over the place etc etc. Not sure Greenland if the people there made any big noice so far back in history, I think they where busy just trying to survive. It is pronounced Kalmar with an a like in aj aj capten and if there ever would be a reunion there would be lots of fighting which capital we choose to lead. If it should be Stockholm, Copenhagen or Oslo and Reykavik and Helsinki might want to speak up. But absolutely not Kalmar it is just a town among many here today.

You dont have one vote per country in the European Parliament. Denmark has 14, Sweden has 21 and Finland has 14 members of the European Parliament.

as a dane born in sweden i can say with certainty that the swedes will not accept danmrak as head of the union...ever....

Norway and Denmark and Sweden should merge into a civilization state based on Scandinavian subculture, a new Kalmar Union, to fight against russia

it would be end game for the world 😆

Not happening. At least not in a peaceful, calm environment. This might happen rather suddenly in some fashion if the current debacle with Russia goes south, and EU and NATO fails. In this sort of environment Denmark, Sweden and Finland might possible quickly slap something together to ensure some sort of security. Then Iceland and Norway could consider joining if they are pressured too.

Darn 'mericans, already trying to turn us into conquerers :P

Would make more sense than being in the EU, but the naive Swedes would be a stick in the wheel

Well sounds a little too Danish to me😉

Since all of Scandinavia is now in NATO, I'd take a Norse Confederacy any day of the week

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Nordic union based

NJAAAEE I dont think so, study the history off SAS, which was the outcome off the meeting in 1953, we havent been able to agree on an airline for the last 40 years, so countrys ??????????????????????

The biggest problem with that Union would likely be Sweden. The rest would likely get along just fine. They would likely go play "Give and take" but not Sweden. Swedes loves to feel better than the rest of us and they love to tell us what to do.... and their politician makes all the other Nordic countries government the most reliable people in the world(and we know our politicians are really unreliable.) A Union where Sweden is a part of would be so mismanaged if Sweden had a say... so for the sake of such a union Sweden should have no say in anything political. I don't care where a capital would be....as long as it wasn't in Sweden. By the way I don't hate Swedes. I really just don't trust their decision making... specially not in politics. Sweden's politicians have been living in their own "Utopia" for to long. 😉

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