What if You Were in Charge at Chernobyl?

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That Chernobyl Guy

That Chernobyl Guy

2 ай бұрын

Congratulations comrade! Well done on receiving your new promotion to Shift Supervisor for Unit Four of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant! Now you’re in charge of all the decisions they make in the absolutely beautiful Control Room. And you’re just in time as well. Unit Four is about to go through its scheduled maintenance shutdown, and that means tests, tests, tests! You have to make sure that the Kharkiv Turbine Plant and Dontekhenergo are happy and get their results, or your superiors will be… not happy. Good luck, comrade…

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@SuppressedOfficial
@SuppressedOfficial 2 ай бұрын
"What's that? Oh, yeah, we did the test. Totally. Worked like a charm. Yeah, I know it never worked before, but I'm just amazing. Yup! See you tomorrow."
@Nekomimie
@Nekomimie 2 ай бұрын
If i was in charge at Chernobyl, it would have exploded way sooner.
@thing_under_the_stairs
@thing_under_the_stairs 28 күн бұрын
Same. I'm dyscalculic, so I can explode anything that requires numerical accuracy.
@arthurmario5996
@arthurmario5996 25 күн бұрын
me too, but i hate to admit it🤣
@thing_under_the_stairs
@thing_under_the_stairs 25 күн бұрын
@@arthurmario5996 You can probably be sure that you haven't caused nearly as much destruction of innocent microwaves as I have, so take pride.
@Bloblom
@Bloblom 2 ай бұрын
I'd shit myself.
@gingernutpreacher
@gingernutpreacher 2 ай бұрын
Then not eat for years in the goolag
@etaoinshrdlu927
@etaoinshrdlu927 2 ай бұрын
Seconded. I appreciate having the Party's confidence, but I'm going to flop sweat the entire time, likely replicate the original accident, and become an embarrassing historical footnote.
@luddite333
@luddite333 2 ай бұрын
its possible that would have cleared the room and that might have saved the world ! congrat HERO
@christopherleubner6633
@christopherleubner6633 2 ай бұрын
Would be the most pucker factor quantum leap episode ever.😮
@robertschultz6922
@robertschultz6922 2 ай бұрын
@@etaoinshrdlu927 at least you became a footnote in history!!! Better than 90% of us🤣🤣🤣
@martinzhang5533
@martinzhang5533 2 ай бұрын
A while back there is a simulator for RBMK-1000 made by a company that makes control softwares. You could control the reactor and see how you can save it or make it explode in the shortest amount of time
@nigeldepledge3790
@nigeldepledge3790 2 ай бұрын
This really highlights the deficiencies in having critical information that is not available in the control room. Fancy having to make these choices based on an educated guess of the value of the ORM.
@robertschultz6922
@robertschultz6922 2 ай бұрын
It’s actually amazing that they didn’t blow up the reactor years before
@nigeldepledge3790
@nigeldepledge3790 2 ай бұрын
@robertschultz6922 - not really. It took a particular set of circumstances for the meltdown to occur, and the circumstances on 26th April '86 were far outside the expected parameters for normal reactor operation. Bear in mind that there were at least a dozen other RBMK reactors that did not suffer a catastrophic meltdown in more than a decade of use.
@ChrisMatthewson
@ChrisMatthewson 2 ай бұрын
@@nigeldepledge3790 Yes! In normal operation, the reactor is kept in a balanced state. If it goes up a little, they nudge it down, if it falls a little they nudge it up and if they want to shut it down, they hit the AZ-5 button and it doesn't really matter if it goes up a little bit before falling. This was a unique step of steps that put the reactor in a very unstable state, near to blowing its top anyway. The AZ-5 button just added the cherry on the top.
@darrinmartin1624
@darrinmartin1624 2 ай бұрын
This is a tough question. I have been a nuclear engineer for 30+ years. I started university in 1986. I would like to think, I would have stopped the test. And in a western reactor, no problem. We will try again in 24 months. But in the USSR, knowing that pulling the plug might send you to prison. And remember the operators didn't really know how dangerous the situation was.
@JimAllen-Persona
@JimAllen-Persona 2 ай бұрын
Exactly. A lot is said of Dylatov but he didn’t know about the tips of the control rods and the potential for criticality if they jammed. Doesn’t let him off the hook.. he committed a host of other procedural violations but that promotion was dangled in front of by Legasov. The truth is.. you would’ve attempted the test just like Dylatov tried. Hopefully you would’ve caught one of the warnings and scrammed before it was too late.
@markusw7833
@markusw7833 2 ай бұрын
@@JimAllen-Persona "he committed a host of other procedural violations but that promotion was dangled in front of by Legasov" Oy vey.
@pavlovezdenetsky7824
@pavlovezdenetsky7824 2 ай бұрын
You definitely would have not been sent to prison in 1986. Not even fired, rather demoted
@markusw7833
@markusw7833 2 ай бұрын
@@pavlovezdenetsky7824 According to a shift leader you could be fired. You wouldn't necessarily be fired for that action, but they would find something.
@ChrisMatthewson
@ChrisMatthewson 2 ай бұрын
They didn't even know what the ORM was until 5 to 10 minutes after asking the computer and so we can't judge them at the time on something that was calculated a long time after the explosion. They also didn't fully understand the design faults in the 'graphite tips' and so they were basically working in the dark. It's great for us to research and work out what happened and how, but at that time in the Unit 4 control room, they didn't have that luxury. It took many people many month to even start to put the pieces together and of course, over the decades, refine the research. they had a few minutes and didn't know what we do now.
@darrinmartin1624
@darrinmartin1624 2 ай бұрын
I would have conducted the test exactly as specified. If after a power change, the reactor didn't fall into acceptable parameters for the next step, then SCRAM. Trust that the engineers that wrote the test protocol know what they are talking about.
@markusw7833
@markusw7833 2 ай бұрын
And who would those engineers be?
@ChrisMatthewson
@ChrisMatthewson 2 ай бұрын
Knowing me, what I would have done is follow orders, let it blow up and then run down the golden corridor away from Unit 4. I would have then slipped out a side door, driven to Pripyat to pick up my family and belongings and driven to Kyiv as fast as possible. I would then change my name and let them believe that I was buried alive under reactor 4. That is what any self-respecting chicken like me would do!
@blackhawks81H
@blackhawks81H 2 ай бұрын
Nice try Khodemchuk... But we've still got the best men looking for you!
@ChrisMatthewson
@ChrisMatthewson 2 ай бұрын
@@blackhawks81H Who are you, comrade, the KGB? 🤣
@3xthebeat
@3xthebeat Ай бұрын
hopefully the radiation won't get you first
@ChrisMatthewson
@ChrisMatthewson Ай бұрын
@@3xthebeat Stolyarchuk (and many more) were in the unit 4 control room and survived, so it's more the case of what you did and where you went after the big bang that decided your fate. Plus I will be wearing my lead lined underpants!
@plasmafoal1117
@plasmafoal1117 2 ай бұрын
This is an excellent video. I wish more people would make videos like this. Often when an accident at work occurs, we like to think it is the fault of the "idiots" to whom it happened and we would have done things much better (with the benefit of hindsight). It also allows one to feel how it must have been when the higher ups blamed the operators. Thank you for such an insightful video. I would love to see a similar video for Three Mile Island!
@rogervanbommel1086
@rogervanbommel1086 Ай бұрын
Three mile island was not like this at all, the primary cause was a HORRIBLY laid out control room and not having information
@plasmafoal1117
@plasmafoal1117 Ай бұрын
@@rogervanbommel1086 I agree with you and this is why a similar approach to Three Mile Island would be very interesting. Walking through all the choices that the operators had puts the viewer into their shoes. My point is, it is easy to blame the operators and act like "Captain Hindsight"
@smokejaguar986
@smokejaguar986 2 ай бұрын
I don't know Cyrillic And I'm not a nuclear engineer so I'd just turn off the lights and lock the door and leave
@rory9537
@rory9537 2 ай бұрын
What if the lights and exit door are labelled in Cyrillic?
@grimmig13
@grimmig13 2 ай бұрын
the button to turn off the lights is marked "A3-5"
@Blazs120gl
@Blazs120gl 2 ай бұрын
Best ever assesment of the situation preceding the accident. This is a must-see video for anyone trying to put the blame on *anyone* of the operators (yes, even The Most Hated Three) from a hindsight, especially that even today, reconstruction of the events are based on the diehard KGB narrative. Hell, they couldn't even have cheated their way out of the test (e.g. report success and forge reports), due to the KGB having informants everywhere.
@gingernutpreacher
@gingernutpreacher 2 ай бұрын
Agread there was no way of faking it
@ChrisMatthewson
@ChrisMatthewson 2 ай бұрын
I think this does show that, sadly, if it means losing your job, you always take the option where you keep your job. Maybe that was what was to blame: The culture at that time, in that place, where you couldn't go against anyone or anything and still keep your job. I think that if I was not interested in keeping my job or just brave enough to take a moral stance then I feel the point at which I would have shut down the reactor was the point when Stolyarchuk started flooding the reactor with feedwater and cooling it down so that more rods had to be pulled out to compensate. Now Stolyarchuk was doing the right thing and part of his job: Low water in the steam drum required topping up, so he was in no way to blame for doing that. However, I feel it is that which started the downward spiral of more cool water requiring pulling yet more control rods out to compensate. More water circulating at high volume meant the water returning to the reactor was already at near boiling point. So less and less control rods and a reactor near a point where all of the water could instantly turn to steam with just a final push. So in my opinion, the point at which Stolyarchuk fed in more and more cool feedwater was the point not to chase the reaction by pulling out more control rods. But no one made that decision. Only this week in my UK job, I was asked to do something that violated Health and Safety rules and could have resulted in me being harmed. I refused to do it and was quite within my rights to do so. My company would not dare do anything against me as they would be in so much trouble with the Health and Safety executive. BUT this is the UK in 2024, not the soviet union in 1986. So we can not judge the culture of the soviet union in 1986 with our own culture in 2024. History should not be judged or rewritten by today's views.
@MinSredMash
@MinSredMash 2 ай бұрын
Bryukhanov could have very easily gotten out of running the test. They just re-write the Unit 3 and 4 regulations to remove the sole reference to the rundown capability. Every other RBMK plant did that, sensing that NIKIET no longer even cared about the idea. ChNPP's management either neglected to due so, or wanted to show that they were the 'flagship of the Energy Ministry' for a reason.
@markusw7833
@markusw7833 2 ай бұрын
​@ChrisMatthewson The feedwater flow was drastically reduced starting at 01:21:50.
@Blazs120gl
@Blazs120gl 2 ай бұрын
@@ChrisMatthewson I went to school even during the end of the Eastern Bloc in the 80's and 90's. Those plant workers had jobs that was considered elite in socialist states (maybe a uranium miner or a cosmonaut was higher). Even losing a job due to discharge on much lower status of work meant losing your social status. People who weren't working during working hours were basically considered criminals. Policed roamed the streets and bars, picking up everyone they found and they were brought to the yard for identification. Threatening people to lose their job was like a major punishment. You didn't get jobs via interviews. You were assigned or recommended. Those operators from unit 4 would have quickly found themsleves in some terrible places (not mentioning their families who also enjoyed the highest social status and comfort communism offered that time) had they tried to object. But since we know that there was no argument that night (it's just KBG cool stories and dramatic inventions of the series), they really had not much pressure on them with the decisions they made. They were following procedures. They were at the wrong place in the wrong time, thus the blame on them and not the previous or next shift.
@flipvdfluitketel867
@flipvdfluitketel867 2 ай бұрын
Imagine having a shitty day at work and then your every decision is still scrutinized 40 years later
@Вивсівідстій
@Вивсівідстій Ай бұрын
People died horrible deaths, knucklehead.
@mikeall7012
@mikeall7012 2 ай бұрын
Say what you want about the RBMK, but they do have very nice looking control rooms, compared to their western equivalents of the time. Ive been in many, so I feel like i can draw an opinion on the matter.
@sonorioftrill
@sonorioftrill 2 ай бұрын
Chernobyl might be more technologically advanced, but personally I don’t think that anyone has managed to top the Kelenföld Power Plant when it comes to control rooms.
@mikeall7012
@mikeall7012 2 ай бұрын
@@sonorioftrill I just looked it up. The architecture during that time period was a lot more artistic than the following years. There are so many beautiful plants from the early 1900s.
@nemthefearless
@nemthefearless 2 ай бұрын
@@sonorioftrill why does the ceiling look like a VA gin@?
@blackhawks81H
@blackhawks81H 2 ай бұрын
Right, but at least you can appreciate 7000 different yet somewhat similar alarms going off simultaneously. Making a noise akin to every TV game show ever, combined.
@mikeall7012
@mikeall7012 2 ай бұрын
@@blackhawks81H main control rooms have silence and acknowledge buttons, so the operators can systematically step through them. And in training they teach you patter recognition so you know when unexpected or serious alarms come in during a trip.
@gzsandiego
@gzsandiego 2 ай бұрын
I would be on the toilet.
@randomchannel1712
@randomchannel1712 2 ай бұрын
Very simple, 14:49 Shut down the reactor I would ask just before the moment the turbine disconnected to perform full insertion of the lower control rods, when full insertion was achieved then I would initiate AZ-5 Thus shifting the power distribution towards the upper part of the core and being able to control the reactor while asking for every water flow reserve we have.
@oscarr.g.509
@oscarr.g.509 2 ай бұрын
I would have shouted 'Hey all look behind you ! A three headed monkey !' and then proceed to run as fast as possible out of the plant, city, country and continent.
@Capt.Turner
@Capt.Turner 2 ай бұрын
That's a great idea to put all the monday morning quarterbacks into the driving seat. Catastrophes of this kind are as old as mankind and we learned about some of them in school and wondered why. Putting ourselves into their shoes is a strong reminder that we would have most likely pulled the short straw for our own fate no matter the outcome of the whole situation. It's pretty much a no win scenario for any individual involved.
@swokatsamsiyu3590
@swokatsamsiyu3590 2 ай бұрын
Another excellent video. I really like the format you put this one in. Looking at that black and white picture of Reactor 4 when it is almost finished, I still can't wrap my head around just how riyoinkulously large this reactor is. Dear Lord in Heaven, they couldn't make it any bigger, could they? If you take a PWR of comparable MWe output and place it inside the core space of the RBMK, you had better give it a GPS tracker, or you'd never find it again. I would have scrammed Reactor 4 when the ORM was first violated (around 02:49 into the video). Why? As a retired Master Welder with 30+ yrs of working experience with welding machines and other heavy, potentially un-aliving you equipment under his belt, this is what I always taught the apprentice-welders; "When stuff starts to run out of bounds, you stop what you're doing, and reconsider." A welding machine, just like a reactor, is both a machine _and_ a Force of Nature at the same time. You have to respect them for what they are, and what they can do. Trust me when I say you do not want to be on the receiving end when things go pear-shaped. However, I fully appreciate that here in the west we have that option, and in the USSR not so much. So, I do not blame them in the slightest, especially when the ORM wasn't considered to be all that important (it should have been, though!). I'm currently working on a full Russian to English translation of Dollezhal's book. If you would be interested in receiving a copy of the file when it's done, let me know.
@subjectc7505
@subjectc7505 2 ай бұрын
Well the Spezntas will be at my home
@Play_fare
@Play_fare 2 ай бұрын
This is a brilliant video - thank you for putting this together. It does go to show that the decisions at the time were not done with a sense of malice but with an under appreciation of the technology, that really should have only been operated within a culture of safety and information openness. We can blame the Soviet/Russian mindset for the shortcomings that led to the accident, but this type of top down, command and control centralized thinking is inherent in so many organizations, including corporations. When local, on the ground decision making is removed completely, it is inevitable that bad things will happen.
@overtired-rv4ou
@overtired-rv4ou 2 ай бұрын
I shutdown the reactor, turned it back on turned off the pumps and raise the power to 3200 to burn the xenon turn the pumps back on and then start TG-7 turn off the steam stabilization on steam seperator drum 1 then TG-8 then drum 2.
@nate_river_
@nate_river_ 2 ай бұрын
Ah, the classic "try turning it off and back on again".
@aaron5809
@aaron5809 2 ай бұрын
Whatever would happen, It would be the reason why they had to add Ines Level 8
@kennethlacewell1517
@kennethlacewell1517 2 ай бұрын
Um, that Siberia choice is sounding better and better.
@al3440
@al3440 2 ай бұрын
Well if you thought it was bad before… WHOA NELLY!
@MinaSabi-md3uw
@MinaSabi-md3uw 28 күн бұрын
B) Counduct the experiment at 700 MW Now I see it - the most crucial choice. This way the reactor doesnt drop to 30 MW. It doesnt have to be mitigated by withdrawing control rods. Xenon if it builds up at all is in totally neglible quantities. By the time experiment starts there is certainly safe amount of control rods inserted. Only thing that occurs is temperature spike, which in this case decreases reactivity. Even after test concludes there is no need to press AZ-5 button - operation as normal
@flakbait5771
@flakbait5771 2 ай бұрын
As an actual game, this would remind me of that JFK assassination game intended to debunk the conspiracy theories by awarding more points the closer the player got to replicating the actual sequence of events.
@Unknown_Ooh
@Unknown_Ooh 2 ай бұрын
That's the point of the game??? I've always wondered what the point was 😂
@HyBr1dRaNg3r
@HyBr1dRaNg3r 2 ай бұрын
I think most ppl would have found themselves in a basement with a Makarov behind their ear…
@christopherleubner6633
@christopherleubner6633 2 ай бұрын
Shut down the reactor then waited till the xenon burned up. Then would have slowly restarted the reactor monitoring the regions like a hawk. Then told the the people who were wanting the experiment that the danger was extreme, and have the math to back it up, and if they still decided it would be the most unsatisfyingi told you so, ever. 🙄
@user-yn3sf4hm7c
@user-yn3sf4hm7c Ай бұрын
If I was in charge at Chernobyl, not only would reactor 4 explode, but I would possibly make all the reactors explode at once.
@Agomacule
@Agomacule 10 күн бұрын
Intentionally.
@gameparade4527
@gameparade4527 2 ай бұрын
Ima start press buttons
@ggggg77273
@ggggg77273 2 ай бұрын
I would simply intervene.
@dfinlen
@dfinlen 2 ай бұрын
It would have been much more interesting if you explained the state of the reactor based on information you know at each step. Maybe you did but I didn't understand .
@saschakrause2374
@saschakrause2374 2 ай бұрын
Hey Sir. Waited desperately for your new video. Thanks for uploading. And to the question in the title… being totally honest… sh.@&€t my pants. 😂
@gamer07208
@gamer07208 2 ай бұрын
nice video as always!
@user-kj1od5ed7p
@user-kj1od5ed7p Ай бұрын
Someone should make a video game where you run the Chernobyl nuclear plant a Simulator game of some kind
@LEOjunk
@LEOjunk Ай бұрын
Question: What if at the end of the test, instead of pressing AZ-5 they lowered a few rods at a time? There would be a spike in criticality, but wouldn't it be smaller? (Love this channel by the way! Amazingly well researched)
@HAGViper
@HAGViper Ай бұрын
Everything is going to be fine… famous last words.
@charliebravo6928
@charliebravo6928 Ай бұрын
Hey Chernobyl Guy, I really love your content and have been obsessed with Chernobyl since i was a child. I see and hear and read a lot of content and struggle to orient myself around the footage/images of the damaged reactor and associated buildings with the pre-explosion assembly. Any resources you recommend?
@nate_river_
@nate_river_ 2 ай бұрын
Raise the power.
@Queretonix
@Queretonix 2 ай бұрын
What would happen if Toptunov just wouldnt press AZ-5? like, what would happen if they would just let the power surge continue without pressing AZ-5 at all? Would there just be a meltdown but no explosion? Or would the power climb forever causing an explosion anyway?
@sonorioftrill
@sonorioftrill 2 ай бұрын
I believe that he mentioned elsewhere in one of the videos on this channel that it would probably have resulted in the reactor melting down, but not energetically enough to explode. Something however tells me that if you just stood by and kept running the reactor as it melted down you would probably end up being charged with outright treason on account of the whole purposely destroying a nuclear reactor thing.
@ChrisMatthewson
@ChrisMatthewson 2 ай бұрын
If, for whatever reason, Toptunov had not hit the AZ-5 button, simply someone else would have. He had enough people standing behind him helping and if they hadn't then Akimov would have gone over and pressed it. So I don't think that anything would have happened differently if one lower individual wanted to disobey orders. Only an order from Dyatlov would have changed the way things went as he was in charge.
@thing_under_the_stairs
@thing_under_the_stairs 28 күн бұрын
This is one time that I'm thankful for my dyscalculia, because it means that there's no way I'd have been allowed near that control room in the first place! The wise leaders of the Soviet Union would have instead have seen the propaganda value in my skill as a painter, and I'd have been safe(r) off in Moscow or Leningrad, teaching art in a respectable state sponsored school for young patriots who also had shown potential with a paintbrush. I'd probably be working on a masterpiece showing the glowing benefits of life in an atomgrad, all thanks to the Friendly Atom, comrades!
@joonlovescrabs
@joonlovescrabs 2 ай бұрын
this actually gave me a whole new perspective
@hsailer
@hsailer Ай бұрын
I would have shut the reactor down when the ORM fell below 15 rods, like the book tells you to. I think that when they found the reactor was poisoned, I would have shut the reactor down. I think that when Dyatlov wanted to press on with the test, after the power level fell below 700 MW thermal, I would have shut the reactor down, or at least skipped the rundown test. I think that there were many opportunities to have avoided the meltdown, that were missed, if they had only just followed the instructions for safe operation of the reactor.
@Neria2288
@Neria2288 Ай бұрын
If its "do the test or meet the polar bears" disaster was unaviodable due to human factor. I'm expecting a possibility of such problems in the west, with "keep it online we need profits" attitude of some people/corporations as well.
@honza970
@honza970 Ай бұрын
Yup, happens when management tries to save money. About 9 years ago, our NPP Temelín had some welding documentation roentgens copied for multiply tubes ibstead of actually doing it dor each one. Some had only one photo instead of required three. Some were of very poor quality. Supposedly, everything was a fault of outsourced company, but that seems to be standard cop-out.
@linkmyboy9903
@linkmyboy9903 Ай бұрын
Chernobyl Speedrun any%
@Jay-ln1co
@Jay-ln1co 2 ай бұрын
I'd defect.
@andrewthomson
@andrewthomson Ай бұрын
You would feel so silly when you found out it wasn't real communism you were fleeing from.
@radomirblazik
@radomirblazik 2 ай бұрын
I would've chickened out on the first hurdle, reactivity margin under 15 and no rad lab personnel onsite, az-5 and go home. At the 700mw-th I would have ran the test sending steam to the condensers instead of lowering the power. Then scram and go home. We pay for the full 700, we use the full 700... Once the reactor got bricked at no power, no idea of where the rods are and no idea of the reactivity margin, scram, go home. This was the eighties, the only thing that could happen to a qualified worker is a one minute screamo session from the local politruk, that's about it.
@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606
@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 2 ай бұрын
If I was in charge of Chernobyl I simply would’ve stopped the explosion 😎
@3xthebeat
@3xthebeat Ай бұрын
how?
@flat1307
@flat1307 2 ай бұрын
Great video! I would actually love to know how good your russian is? Do you get info pre-translated or do you read documents in original?
@javamail2
@javamail2 2 ай бұрын
Simple: Change the 4 diesel generators for MAN or MTU or Caterpillar or any reliable DG and you would be on diesel power in no time
@javamail2
@javamail2 2 ай бұрын
No need for such test
@3xthebeat
@3xthebeat Ай бұрын
@@javamail2 boom problem solved
@maximusflightymus3892
@maximusflightymus3892 2 ай бұрын
These tests should never have been carried out on a live commercial Reactor, but in a controlled enviroment before it was even agreed to build these units, the biggest crime was the whole operation was amateur and it was asking for trouble. If there is any lesson to be learned from handling Nuclear power it is waiting for a foolish decision from an individual or over confident individuals who have forgotten to fear the immense power of splitting Atoms.
@SuppressedOfficial
@SuppressedOfficial 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Thank you, thank you. I'm going to be a great boss. Wow, 15 seconds in and I already feel like a million bucks! ...I also feel slightly communist for some reason. It's weird.
@JimAllen-Persona
@JimAllen-Persona 2 ай бұрын
You have no comrade in your response you disrespectful capitalist. 😂😂
@michdem100
@michdem100 2 ай бұрын
3:18 Question - if there were not enough control rods in the reactor, due to low power output, wouldn't it make sense to try to increase reactor power at this point a bit (key word: a bit) to burn out all the xenon? Not to mention, if those were in fact supposed to be experiments and there was a chance of a xenon buildup, why not have an occasional power increase to burn it out? If I remember correctly from the HBO series it did play a role, so it might be justified and may prevent the accident
@martinwhitaker5096
@martinwhitaker5096 Ай бұрын
The only way to increase output would be to remove more control rods... in this situation the reactor is very unstable - as the xenon burns power output is increased that leads to faster burning of xenon and this all runs away very quickly. Literally the only thing you can do once you reach a critical mass of xenon poisoning is to shutdown the reactor and wait a long time.
@UnCcreations
@UnCcreations 29 күн бұрын
The fact that this video is made in Roblox Studio is crazy
@antagonist99
@antagonist99 28 күн бұрын
So I know there would have been no reason to do this for the operators, but could pumping additional feedwater into the reactor shortly before finally pressing AZ-5 conceivably have prevented the accident? Or, instead of inserting the rods via AZ-5, having the operators insert them sequentially?
@Dragosteaa
@Dragosteaa 2 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this “Choose your own adventure” saga.. even if literally all my answers ie. trying to abandon ship just result in catastrophe & propaganda
@testplmnb
@testplmnb 28 күн бұрын
"2:25" - which is below insertion level - what level. Dyatlov in his book claimed there were 2.
@simon2493
@simon2493 2 ай бұрын
A question here: do you know wo was meant to be making THE test oryginalny?
@jetlaw_1
@jetlaw_1 2 ай бұрын
Seems to me that the operators got the unit into an unanlyzed condition that was outside of the test parameters and should have scrammed way earlier than they did. Granted the negative-scram effect of the horrifically designed control rods was the final straw, but i disagree with the video's contention that they were justified in continuing with the test.
@Nobody-ue5qs
@Nobody-ue5qs Ай бұрын
If I was in charge it wouldn’t have exploded duh
@nothingoutofnothing5955
@nothingoutofnothing5955 Ай бұрын
What I am wondering is what if Dyatlov waited unill the end of the night shift He just needed to get it done by the end of he shift not in 1 in the morning Would enough Xenon 135 decay to prevent the explosion?
@98hkg63
@98hkg63 2 ай бұрын
Scream at everyone as being incompetent including Fomin
@simeonmezov7318
@simeonmezov7318 2 ай бұрын
I would have done the test at 3200mw termal
@ChrisMatthewson
@ChrisMatthewson 2 ай бұрын
So you would be producing all that steam that wasn't needed the second they cut it off to the turbine to let it run down. In fact, the interesting part of this is that once the turbine is disconnected from the reactor's steam outlet, the reactor plays no part in the test. It is debatable if closing down the reactor the second that they cut the steam to the turbine may or may not have resulted in an explosion, but there was no reason not to hit AZ-5 right then. It was running at a low 200mw and the running down turbine was powering the circulation pumps sending water around the reactor. Maybe it would have survived at that point rather than waiting another 35 seconds later to hit AZ-5.
@Eriksen2854
@Eriksen2854 2 ай бұрын
I would have ordered all four units to be replaced with VVERs
@TheWinston86
@TheWinston86 2 ай бұрын
I’d write the turbine test out of the manual
@denniskrenz2080
@denniskrenz2080 2 ай бұрын
I don't know if I would have done so much difference in the end. I did conduct a few major software and hardware updates on large enterprise computer systems in my professional career with a similar number of people involved and similar many (often quite loud) stakeholders, so I can give some views there. First, my job wouldn't have started just on that day. As much as we and smarter people would have prepared the test sequence, I would have been busy making sure that the team already knows what is planned and what tasks have to be prepared. Of course, nothing ever goes as planned. Next, I would always look for milestones that permit to return to a known safe state. And of course, I always had in mind: If I decide to abort, they CAN try to fire me. And just like "Last christmas" I will be back again soon, if I am just fired for doing my job right. And of course, I would have followed the safety rules to the letter. But I would have spent much more time communicating deviations and looking for options to return to the test process. And when we accidentially reached 30 MW that way, of course the experiment would have been dead for me. That is a "Return to a previous safe state" point already. I don't compromise there, shutting down the reactor would have been too hard, but its obvious that we can't just continue. As you said, there was a later option to safely shutdown the reactor, when another layer of swiss safety cheese was removed, but: With me at the helm, I would rather confirm a proper the reactor state for that test, have a useful new test schedule in preparation, listening with a calm smile to all the superiors and other stakeholders complaints about me. But I would have made clear in all briefings before, that I will decide that way, they still let me do the job despite knowing this (because they didn't even think about having me breaking this rule). There would be another briefing to my team, assuring that all did a great job and that it was my decision to abort here. There will be a private conversation with young Tuptonov about the power loss, but no pointing fingers or worse, treat him like the noob. If this station would have been for a less qualified person than Tuptonov, he wouldn't have been there, after all. We just try figuring out what happened and how we can do better the next day. We will end this shift, leave the control room in an as good or better state as we entered it, go home, and very likely return all to work the next day. Except me maybe. But I am optimistic, that I reached the next day by just having angered my superiors that much, that somebody else did worse in the mean time. Or maybe, the next shift did already blow up the reactor and there are lots of free positions in management suddenly looking for me. 😉
@ShawnDrymen
@ShawnDrymen 2 ай бұрын
I'd call in sick to due to radioactive flu 🤧
@monolit15
@monolit15 2 ай бұрын
If only they don't hold at low power levels
@testarshaqrfdaop4smc781
@testarshaqrfdaop4smc781 Ай бұрын
Is the Igor kirschenbaum is real and still alive? I said it because no photo about him
@thatchernobylguy2915
@thatchernobylguy2915 Ай бұрын
He's real and lives in Israel. I blurred the photo of him in my How Chernobyl Exploded videos because he hasn't gone public about his experience, and it's better to maintain his privacy
@thelastcrusader8140
@thelastcrusader8140 2 ай бұрын
We can't alter the timeline 😅
@CctheCoolCat
@CctheCoolCat 2 ай бұрын
Does anyone know the answers? Because they sure didn’t at the time
@ChrisMatthewson
@ChrisMatthewson 2 ай бұрын
Sadly they didn't even have the information at the time to make the right decisions. They didn't know there was a question that required an answer.
@SoldierGun
@SoldierGun 2 ай бұрын
Shut it off before the test.
@3xthebeat
@3xthebeat Ай бұрын
and go to prison
@andybobandy641
@andybobandy641 2 ай бұрын
Welp, now I know I shoulcn't be working in a Nuke Plant anytime soon. I think I've killed us all. Sorry everyone!
@ouf78
@ouf78 2 ай бұрын
In my case it sounds like a bad idea😅😅
@luddite333
@luddite333 2 ай бұрын
Back in 80s I woulda been taking bonghits so it might not have been super mellow if I were in charge - some hot girls in Ukraine though so what the hell
@AgentAngelus
@AgentAngelus 2 ай бұрын
Did anyone notice that the control room is from Roblox?
@3xthebeat
@3xthebeat Ай бұрын
no it isn't 😂 it's a blender model, not everything you see on roblox came from roblox lmfao 😂
@CctheCoolCat
@CctheCoolCat 2 ай бұрын
First thing I’d do is quit and move country’s 😂😊 unfortunately this is so sad
@rockyblocky_guy1244
@rockyblocky_guy1244 Ай бұрын
Try to make it as bad as possible
@ThugShakers4Christ
@ThugShakers4Christ Ай бұрын
You didn't give the options necessary for my goal: there can be no war in Ukraine if there is no longer a Ukraine!
@darbyohara
@darbyohara 2 ай бұрын
7:50 you cannot lower to 200mw and still conduct the test. The test requires 700mw to keep the turbine spinning at a rate such that it has enough energy to power the pump until diesel generators kick in. 200 is too low
@thatchernobylguy2915
@thatchernobylguy2915 2 ай бұрын
Actually, 200 is completely fine. The turbine spins at the same speed regardless of the power output - the same at 200MW, 700MW, or 3100MW. This is so it can synchronise with the rest of the network. Also, in the experiment program, it is mentioned that the turbine should be lowered to the level of self sufficiency, which can be interpreted as around 200-300MW.
@ChrisMatthewson
@ChrisMatthewson 2 ай бұрын
@@thatchernobylguy2915 Interesting but could you please explain that if the turbine can spin at the same speed with 200MW of steam or 3100MW of steam, what is the point in running the reactor at high levels for no gain? Is it because with more load on the generator output (needed when more electricity was required), more steam pressure was needed to keep the turbine spinning at the correct speed? So for just the testing, they didn't need much steam to get the turbine spinning at the required speed as there was very little load on the output?
@concretebuilding
@concretebuilding 2 ай бұрын
I'm a little disappointed, politically. I've been accused of being a communist quite a few times, but this video tells me I'd be a very bad party member of the Soviets.
@bornagavric3941
@bornagavric3941 22 күн бұрын
I can do better than dyatlov
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