What Is and How To Use A Cabinet Scraper

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A cabinet scraper is a card scraper with handles. it is one of the fastest ways to smooth difficult grain on large surfaces.
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@pitsnipe5559 Жыл бұрын

I know it was tough, but you managed to scrape by.

@timothymallon Жыл бұрын

Now I need a cabinet scraper! Man, I am always going to be broke, buying all these tools! Thanks James!

@tucsonbubba1574 Жыл бұрын

I've used cabinet scrapers for decades. It saves you SO much mess,labor and expense assiciated with sanding and you wind up with a perfect, glass smooth surface!

@ddutton0 Жыл бұрын

I was using mine backwards 😂 thanks for the video James! It works much better now

@alvagoldbook2 Жыл бұрын

It is kinda confusing. I still get mixed up with it. Just remember the tool is only comfortable pushing, and your hook must face forward.

@raminieminen2955 Жыл бұрын

The 80 is one of the few tools that I have been postponing over and over again because I had no idea how to use it. Encouraged by this video I bought the Kunz one and it works like a champ! Basically ready to use out of the box. I spent maybe 30 seconds filing down sharp corners, then started making curls and immediately realized the possibilities with this tool. The Kunz one cost me around 40 euros, pretty cheap for a german made tool. Thank you James for the video 👍

@raminieminen2955 Жыл бұрын

James, Kunz seems to make a toothing blade for the no 80. Have you ever used a toothing blade on a scraper? If so is it worthy?

@davidclark9086 3 ай бұрын

Very well made and super informative video.

@steh8217 Жыл бұрын

When i first got into hand tool wood working, i saw a lot of people mentioned you dont often need to sand before finish.. you get a glass finish right off the smoothing plane. Then card scrapers took it to a whole new level. I havent been card scraping for long.. but once i do a larger project and my thumbs hate me, i might have to go for the Stanley 80 👍 cheers James

@MattMadeIt123 Жыл бұрын

I recently inherited a collection of planes and scrapers from a relative who passed away. In the collection is a Stanley No.12, 80, two 82's, and an 83. I've never used cabinet scrapers before, so this was a great video to get me started. Thanks.

@billbris Жыл бұрын

Now I have a better understanding of how my cabinet scraper works! Now, I may give it another chance with a better opportunity for success. Thank you.

@professor62 Жыл бұрын

I so needed this! Thanks, James. I have two vintage 112’s that I’ve never used simply because I never really learned to use them. But now no more excuses! Great video, as always.

@larryk6330 Жыл бұрын

I have an old Stanley No.80 (with the original blade) that was given to me many years ago, but I was never quite sure how to sharpen it. Thanks for explaining. It will definitely come in handy cleaning up some of the larger panels I make up. Thanks for the info.

@Derek_Lark Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the update James. Fantastic video.

@richs5422 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! That cleared up several questions I had about my #80 scraper.

@Original_Old_Farmer Жыл бұрын

I meant to write this comment when I first saw this video. So I am doing it now. As someone who was on a first name basis with Noah, I was on the shovel brigade, my finger strength is not what it used to be. I try to avoid using scrapers. But for the price of the one you gave in the link. I think I will get one to save my very old tired fingers. Has anyone told you lately you do good videos. Thank you for not signing up with some third rate cable channel. I think you sit vary comfortable where you are at.

@steeltoe3138 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, just happened to be considering using my cabinet scraper on my chair. Now I know how to sharpen it and use it! Thanks again!

@christopherharrison6724 Жыл бұрын

Love a card / cabinet scraper made one following Paul Sellers method works great now I’ve managed to learn how to sharpen it properly.

@thijspluis9998 Жыл бұрын

Thnx. For the tips. I just came back from school and made it work. Got fairly heacy curls in popular

@bobwilhelm8364 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. I bought a scraper about a year ago and had no idea how to properly set it or sharpen the blade.

@markelder1345 Жыл бұрын

James, thanks for the video. This makes me want to get a cabinet scraper

@johncwhite Жыл бұрын

Always learn something from your videos THANKS.

@hassanal-mosawi4235 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing those tips!

@destinationunknown1445 Жыл бұрын

Amazingly helpful, thank you!

@thomashverring9484 Жыл бұрын

Perfect timing! I got a No. 12 basically for free in excellent condition!

@cdnbean Жыл бұрын

never understood the difference - THANK YOU (I was waiting for one to show up at a garage sale, now thinking of going out to buy one 🙂 )

@EricHonaker Жыл бұрын

As a middle aged guy getting a bit arthritic in my hands, I'm glad to hear about these.

@TheThriftyWoodworker Жыл бұрын

Great as always

@redhat4249 Ай бұрын

Cheers for sharing the knowledge

@Jim__K Жыл бұрын

excellent video!

@alvagoldbook2 Жыл бұрын

I have a cabinet scraper, it looks very similar to a Stanley 80, but I don’t think it is one. Don’t know much about it, but it has very small writing on it, and Rex has the exact same one I have. It’s one of my all time favorite tools. I put a massive hook on it and I haven’t had to resharpen it in about a year of use. I find that it has a lot of use not just as a cabinet scraper, but a sort of detail sander. If I have an inside corner to sand, I just pull the blade out, and pull the blade at a 45 degree angle, hook first, to get right up to an edge. It’s also very handy doing this if you just need to shave off burn marks from a table saw or power router. I often use just the blade alone to soften edges. I just the blade solo almost as much with it in the tool. Plus no bending necessary like on a card scraper. Just adjust the angle until it cuts.

@jimknowles5483 6 ай бұрын

Great vedio, thanks...!!

@dalewysinger3077 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the information!

@bbrachman Жыл бұрын

James, I can always rely on you to help me out. I bought old versions of both these scrapers years ago. Really cleaned them up. Tried them. They would not work. Evidently, the previous owner was not aware of the 45° bevel on the steel. I think I will dig them out again and have another go with them. Hmmm. It's all about the angle.

@egbluesuede1220 Жыл бұрын

#80, #12 and #112 are seriously fun and easy to use. You can find these everywhere and get them to scrape so easily. Don't give up on cards, but if you hate sanding, explore some of these options and you will have so much fun!!!

@stephenclingerman4865 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. I’ve had an 80 since my Dad died in 2000. I just started getting into hand tools, so this is something I can use. BTW, my Dad had multiple planes. Stanley, Record 020 and some wooden planes. I use the little 103, and I have 2 90s. I rehabbed a 4, 4 1/2, and 10. I wanted to have some new planes so I bought a LN 5 1/2, and a LN 4 1/2 is on it’s way. I really love the 5 1/2, but it’s hard on my old hands for a shooting board. Hence the 4 1/2. The Stanley 4 1/2 is easier on my hands, the LN will replace the old one.

@kennethnielsen3864 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

@jimrosson6702 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing

@steveshapland8846 4 ай бұрын

When setting the blade on my #80 I place a aheet of paper ( or dollar bill) on the bench in front ( hook aide) of the mouth. This givese a .002-3 projection.

@mattomon1045 Жыл бұрын

thank you James

@vince55sanders Жыл бұрын

just bough my first card scrapper yesterday, 0.06 Bahco. i hope i get it to work a bit smoother than my trusty old rusty Richards paint remover.

@Win52D Жыл бұрын

Just finished up a maple and walnut cutting board. If it weren't for the #80 it would have been a disaster. The Veritas LAJ did its best but the #80 really cleaned up the tear out.

@peterturner8766 Жыл бұрын

I have a little arthritis in may thumbs - so my no. 80 is a bit of a godsend for me.

@marvincombs1928 Жыл бұрын

Dag gum it I bought 2 about a year ago and had not seen you use one yet. I was going to send you one. BUt since you apparently already have some guess you don't need one of mine. 😁

@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын

Really, really interesting, James! Thanks!!! 😃 I wander if it would be possible to make a wooden version of it! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

Here is one I made years ago. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nbWUhq2Wzq7DYmg.html and here is a card scraper holder. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sMmkrbagtKrVaJc.html

@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo Oh, nice! I'm going to watch it! 😃 Thanks!

@jimknowles5483 6 ай бұрын

Great vedio, thanks..! Have you ever tried the veritas?? The say they have an improved modified version?? Thanks just jim

@WoodByWrightHowTo 6 ай бұрын

Yes. It's a great tool

@dannyhale7645 Жыл бұрын

I got lucky last October on eBay. I bought a Sweetheart era No. 80, with a newer, replacement blade, for $4.25, and $11 shipping. It's in really good condition with just a little japanning loss. I almost felt guilty. Almost.

@wintercook2 10 ай бұрын

The Stanley No. 80 (or the Kunz) is one of the most underappreciated tools. It does a job that no other tool will do. You can scrape highly figured wood, keep it FLAT, and leave NO tear-out. As a professional furniture maker, I have four of these, and I use them daily. I remove the honed burr before I burnish. This gives me a long-lasting burr that cuts nice wide shavings easily. Also, I never hone parallel to a blade edge. Always 90 or at least 45 degrees. Microscopic scratches parallel to the edge can weaken the fine cutting edge. Thank you for telling people about this tool. Even most professionals don't know how useful these are. I think these tools were just simply forgotten when the old timers passed on. Great video.

@PrinceKaladin Жыл бұрын

When would you use a cabinet scraper vs a smoothing plane?

@williamgriffin2807 Жыл бұрын

When the wood is difficult to plane without creating torn grain

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

in the end it is a personal preference. a cabinet scraper is MUCH easer to setup for difficult grain. but if you are willing to put in the time on the plane it can do the same work.

@barrywoodham4089 Жыл бұрын

So the Rubio finish you (and I) love calls for sanding up to 120/150/180 (depending on what you read/watch). How does a scraped surface compare to sanding to, say, 150? Need a little more sanding? A little finer that 150? Too fine for Rubio? Is a scraped surface generally “finish ready” or is there more work to do? #4 after scraping? Getting a “finish ready surface” is still something I struggle to define/identify in my (still early) journey. Appreciate what you do, thank you very much.

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

Scraping and planning produce a different type of surface. the big benefit to sanding is it fills the pours with dust. this wicks the finish down in. so for me when I scrape or plane I hit the wood very quickly with something around 300-400 just to create fine dust to fill the pours.

@DavidPaulNewtonScott 8 ай бұрын

Great, I get it and I will buy one but some instinct in me says this should be done on the pull like the Japanese.

@WoodByWrightHowTo 8 ай бұрын

most people do both. like a card scraper or spoke shave. It depending on the wood and the current orientation.

@KenWmo Жыл бұрын

So, now I should be able to make that Kuntz cabinet work for me. 20 years late, but that’s not your fault. 😂. Next challenge, sharpen the set of curved card scrapers!

@kayura77 Жыл бұрын

Feeding the algorithm! Om nom nom!

@liquidrockaquatics3900 3 ай бұрын

You mentioned putting a magnet on the back of a card scraper; is that for ergonomics and to stop heat transfer?

@WoodByWrightHowTo 3 ай бұрын

Heat.

@dpmeyer4867 Жыл бұрын

thanks

@alphaprime1813 Жыл бұрын

James, thank you for the tutorial. On the #80, you said the piece was "almost ready for a finish" in your opinion, what would be next?

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

For most applications it is ready for finish. But for woods where I want to pop the grain like rays on oak, I will lightly hit it with 400 grit to fill the poor's with dust and help make them darker.

@iainmcculloch5807 Жыл бұрын

How does the angle effect the longevity of the edge, and how do card scrapers and cabinet scrapers compare in terms of edge-longevity? It seems like those are questions just begging for a spreadsheet or two!

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

I like the way you think. in general you put a bigger hook on a cabinet scraper and it lasts longer then a card scraper. but it might be fun to test and quantify.

@thomascollins6723 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! Do you finish the piece you are working on right from the scraper or sand first?

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

Generally, yes. The scraper is off in the last thing to touch the wood. So if I'm trying to bring out Ray fleck I may end up hitting it with some 400 grit. Sandpaper to fill the pores with a bit of dust.

@ethanrchitty371 Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen a handful of Stanley 80s with what appears to be cut up sawblades; an old standby for making cards scrapers. Is it possible on those older ones to use a contemporary card scraper as a blade? The new ones are so dramatically thicker I don’t know that it would hold tightly.

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

Sure. You can use a thinner card scraper blade. It just tends to chatter a bit more. That's the big benefit of the thicker irons like the ones you can get it hock

@bigsecondrow Жыл бұрын

Hi. Great video. I recently got a number 12 but the brass screws for the handle are stripped and don’t hold. They’re an odd thread and can’t find any in the U.K. any advice at all? Thanks.

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

ya Stanley used a lot of ODD threads. most people just re-tap the hole one size bigger and put in new bolts

@bigsecondrow Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo I considered that but the casting is only thin and they cost a lot in the U.K. so very hesitant to try. I’ll keep looking

@MicahZummach Жыл бұрын

Hey James, have you ever done a restoration on a 12 or 12 1/2? I picked up a 12 1/2, in rough shape, for $20 a while back, but when I went to do the restoration I couldn't find a single video on KZfaq on a really involved restoration. I tried my best and I'm finishing up the restoration now, but I know I could have done better. Could you do a video restoring one of these if you have one?

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

I have not done a video on restoring one of those. I have not gotten one that has needed it. If you have specific questions on it and be glad to answer them. Feel free to send me an email and pictures and I can help you out.

@bhartley1024 3 ай бұрын

I got given a Stanley 80 today, now I just have to find a project...

@EggyOrphan 8 ай бұрын

Has anyone tried Rocklers Bench Dog Cabinet scraper?? Little difficult finding a vintage one here, so I was thinking of purchasing it...

@WoodByWrightHowTo 8 ай бұрын

It is great. But they is the nice thing about a cabinet scraper there is nothing to them even the cheap ones work well.

@EggyOrphan 8 ай бұрын

@WoodByWrightHowTo I see, thank you as always Jamws, hopefully they are still on sale to grab one!🙏

@andrewbrimmer1797 8 ай бұрын

When you want to shapen contour scrapers do you need to use a slip?

@WoodByWrightHowTo 8 ай бұрын

For card scrapers? Those I just use the burnisher

@igknightor1632 Жыл бұрын

If you put a card scraper in a wooden spoke shave would it work the same or would have to make a different jig?

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

no the spoke shave leans back and the scraper leans forward. so the mouth would be on the wrong side. but you could make one. Here is one I made years ago. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nbWUhq2Wzq7DYmg.html

@igknightor1632 Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thanks!

@dazlin6447 Жыл бұрын

So, how do these compare with the DIY holders that simply set the curve to the scraper... like the #80?

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

They are the same thing with the exception of the soul. A number 80 has a soul which does some burnishing on the wood. Whereas a card scraper holder has no soul.

@dazlin6447 Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo 😇Sounds like the cs holder will never make it to that heavenly workshop. So sad. 🤓

@moonwolf7135 Жыл бұрын

Do you sell scrapers for the No.80 on your website? I was given a No. 80 but the person who gave it me took and reformed the one corner and curved it so only opposite side is square.

@LaraCroftCP 7 ай бұрын

Can you say me what kind of steel a scraper is made from? I have different in stock and would make my own. Thank You very much 😊

@WoodByWrightHowTo 7 ай бұрын

Usually it's 1095 spring steel.

@mdglussier 11 ай бұрын

Where do you get new cabinet scraper/Stanley 12 blades? A lot of suppliers I looked at were out of stock

@WoodByWrightHowTo 11 ай бұрын

What's the time I just use an old saw plate or scraper plate. You can cut it down to be the size you want it to be. I don't know if anyone who makes one for the 12 right now.

@mdglussier 11 ай бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thanks! I just inherited a huge assortment of hand tools and this video helped me a lot. I hadn't seen the 12 before.

@zachwithrow4121 Жыл бұрын

With all these specialized planes, are there any tools that you still have on your wishlist?

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

Not really. half of the planes in my shop are just there so i can teach them. now when I buy tools it is mostly for teaching the history.

@mypony891 Жыл бұрын

I know this is a very open ended working, depending on what wood, and how often you use it but about how long does a cabinet scraper stay sharp

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

Usually two sharpenings for a dining room table top. Ish!

@Ashevillein 8 ай бұрын

I cant get my head around which way the bevel goes.i get some sawdust, but no shavings

@WoodByWrightHowTo 8 ай бұрын

The hook that you burnish on it points away from the bevel. The bevel points back or up slightly. The hook should point forward and down into the wood.

@BGibb89 11 ай бұрын

Where did you get that square nut on the back of your No. 12? I just got one and I’m missing the same brass nut…

@WoodByWrightHowTo 11 ай бұрын

Mine came with that from the last owner. If you want an original one check out www.hantoolfinder.com there's a list of antique tool Sellers and parts people I'm sure a couple of them would have it

@BGibb89 11 ай бұрын

Thanks, I'll check it out. I was able to figure out that it's a 5/16-18 thread if anyone is interested.@@WoodByWrightHowTo

@kencarlile1212 Жыл бұрын

But what about the style that's a straight handle through the card? So no sole. Is that not a cabinet scraper per se?

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

That is a paint scraper. It's basically a screwdriver in comparison to a chisel.

@wilcooley Жыл бұрын

I have a problem with chatter with my 80. I noticed that at about 8:03, it sounds like you have some too. Any suggestions for preventing that? My sole is flat and smooth, and I think my edge is burnished ok. It's been a while, but I think if I press hard enough I can prevent it, but it makes the process too laborious.

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

Sometimes that's because it's sticking out a little too far. Other times because it's just getting into a rhythm on the wood grain. If you do find that then change the angle attack 20 or 30°. Or change the speed which you push it.

@wilcooley Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo thanks James! I'll keep this in mind when I next use it

@scottsears6440 Жыл бұрын

I have struggled with my #12. If I get it cutting well, then I end up with chatter which leaves a bad surface.

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

usualy chatter means it is sticking out too far but some times if you slow down or speed up the push the frequency changes and the chatter stops.

@hughatkins Жыл бұрын

Thank you for that explanation! The blade bevels and orientation has always seemed non intuitive to me.

@ricos1497 Жыл бұрын

I've got a scraper plane! I have a tool that James doesn't. What do I win?

@leonardticsay8046 Жыл бұрын

Sumting funny. Lol.

@mimikay3224 Жыл бұрын

This is the comment down below.

@samwise098 Жыл бұрын

"I haven't done a scientifically tested that." Sounds like a scientifically testing it video might be coming soon.

@thesweetone Жыл бұрын

Good to know I've been using my scraper backwards, still worked though. I had inherited it and only used it a few times.

@nodarikirtadze8220 Жыл бұрын

Why is cardscraper soulless?

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

That's just the way the maker made it.

@davewest6788 Жыл бұрын

You got really scraped up in that. Well done though.

@jwydubak9673 Жыл бұрын

0:50 ~$50 for Kunz #80 isn't exactly "almost nothing".

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

ya the price has gone up a bit. last time I saw them they were $29.99 after uploading the video I thought to check again. oops. but you can still get the antiques for $20 or less if you know where to look.

@andrewbrimmer1797 8 ай бұрын

Would you call your burr Aaron?