What is P-FACTOR? | The Asymmetric Blade Effect

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2 жыл бұрын

P-factor, also known as Asymmetric Blade Effect is an aerodynamic force that causes the propeller's centre of thrust to shift off-centre. Find out how it works in this video.
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@sonoftherepublic9792 2 жыл бұрын

Best verbal and visual description of P Factor I’ve seen. Excellent video.

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@paulbrouyere1735 2 жыл бұрын

As an RC model plane builder and pilot in the 80’s I remember we countered this effect by building in the engine with some degrees of pitch and yaw

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

That's interesting that even at such small scale this effect is evident.

@kuartz. 2 жыл бұрын

@@flightclubonline i think it has such an effect because the planes are so light

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Oh I see. This makes sense. Thank you!

@camtheman559 7 ай бұрын

Pilot? Oh ok

@Riciliz 5 ай бұрын

@@kuartz.I think some planes actually did that (keyword: did, not anymore)

@harrymorris613 2 жыл бұрын

great explaination, I've always wondered about this effect!

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@marcoprosdocimi9479 2 жыл бұрын

This content is clear and useful. Thank you very much! I really appreciate the new ones

@mattc8831 Жыл бұрын

I had to watch it a couple times to fully grasp the concept. It’s short, clear, and concise.

@hamamatumelon 2 жыл бұрын

I now understand that the propeller contributes to the straight line.　　 Thank you very much.

@litten420 2 жыл бұрын

That Propeller do be pushing the 🅿️

@jonshereshaw3198 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for clarification. When I was a young man, my father had friend who was a retired engineer for the Sperry Gyroscope Co. He applied for a patent for an airplane propeller that would develop vertical lift! While also providing horizontal thrust. The gentleman is unfortunately long passed, but I’m sure his patent survives. His name was Mr. John Ryan, he lived on Long Island, NY. The patent was filed in the mid 1950’s. I don’t know if it was approved and issued.

@chrisvesy7245 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I've heard of this since my flying lessons back in High School...I knew it happened but never understood exactly why ... Thank you!!

@DannyThenics 2 жыл бұрын

Im new to the channel , the content is short but still convey'd enough knowledge for me to understand the situation , and to know what to research I like it , thank you

@NikitaKaminskyy 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing, it’s like you read my mind with the timing of posting your explanations! Thank you so much

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

You're so welcome!

@epichourtime 2 жыл бұрын

I think I could learn a thing or two from this channel. Thank you for being so short and clear.

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

@dasgeld 2 жыл бұрын

Another amazing video. Thanks a lot! One question, what does “P” stand for in P-factor? Propeller? Pitch? Something like this?

@OhHeyItsShan 2 жыл бұрын

Bill Kershner defines P-Factor as "Propeller Disc Asymmetric Loading" in his book "The Advanced Pilot’s Flight Manual (6th Edition)". I am fairly certain that P stands for propeller as P-factor cannot exist without a rotating disc of some kind.

@afoxwithahat7846 2 жыл бұрын

Another thing that I think it's a fun fact, is that P is one of the letters that isn't mirrored in any way. So it could represent an unbalance

@julianbrelsford 2 жыл бұрын

@@afoxwithahat7846 p and q are often depicted as perfect mirror images of each other in lowercase. My kid (and many others) initially had a very hard time seeing the difference between the two

@skibidabndada6683 2 жыл бұрын

@@afoxwithahat7846 interesting but i dont think someone thought that far 😁

@SirGregory 2 жыл бұрын

@@afoxwithahat7846 P also is the first letter of Pilot, and they can be unbalanced sometimes. 😉

@raccoonair 2 жыл бұрын

Again, excellent, thank for sharing.

@Gabriel.Bonfim 11 ай бұрын

Excellent! I'd been struggling to get what this so-called P-Factor really is, till I came across this video, which took all my doubts away. Thank you!

@flightclubonline 11 ай бұрын

Glad it helped!

@gig78000 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. I've always thought it was an effect related to the engine itself and not to the blades.

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped

@nathalieschafer2814 Жыл бұрын

Your channel is so smart, with very good and brief videos. One of my favourite aviation channels! Thanks a lot from Germany!

@flightclubonline Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@tagelokoy 2 жыл бұрын

What about gyroscopic precession? Wouldn’t the increased force be applied 90 degrees later in the rotation?

@erickborling1302 2 ай бұрын

Gyroscopic precession is only a factor when changing pitch or yaw (but you never notice it during yawing moments). Once you're on-pitch gyroscopic precession ceases. For example consider a helicopter going so impossibly fast that it's got retreating blade stall. Will the helicopter roll to the side of the stalled retreating blade? NO! It will pitch UP due to gyroscopic precession.

@rstknives2423 2 жыл бұрын

Great explaination!

@randyscorner9434 2 ай бұрын

This is the first time P-factor has been explained in understandable terms. I am an instrument pilot and have only ever heard instructors say stuff like up and down blades, but never explaining that the down blade gets a bigger bite and more thrust. I actually think most instructors don't understand this but just repeat an explanation that they've heard. So, bigger bite and more thrust on the down blade; step on the right rudder pedal.

@youchris67 2 жыл бұрын

I learned about P-factor 40-years ago while training to fly ultralights.

@lakerenegadepilot6211 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation, often the faster descending blade is missed from this explanation.

@kombasanpracka 2 жыл бұрын

So many things I was not aware of. Thanks KZfaq for this nice random suggestion. I´m gonna watch more of it :)

@americanspirit8932 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent description. Keep up the great work. February 14th 2022

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly!

@dosmastrify 2 жыл бұрын

Never knew this was a thing. And now I understand it too. :)

@welshpete12 2 жыл бұрын

An excellent series !

@ckaviator 3 ай бұрын

thanks this made so much sense

@TheVirIngens 2 жыл бұрын

Why would this not cause the aircraft to pitch downwards due to gyroscopic precession? Just like a helicopter where the cyclic pitch acts a quarter rotation after where it is applied? Is the rotating mass simply too small?

@sparthankitty2775 Жыл бұрын

I had such a hard time trying to figure out why the p-factor occurred, until I watched this video. My checkrides in a few days, thanks for the help!

@flightclubonline Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped! Good luck.

@erickborling1302 2 ай бұрын

That's too bad. No student pilot should ever have to endure a flight instructor who can't explain something as BASIC as p-factor.

@aviation259 2 жыл бұрын

From this thing I realized that little thing can make a huge impact to another. I am curious whether gravity force also making a significant role in this situation? Thank you

@marsattack3622 2 жыл бұрын

Magnifique. Merci.

@brcerk251 Жыл бұрын

perfect demonstration

@jackskudlarek3138 2 жыл бұрын

whelp, never is this gonna be needed knowledge, but fascinating to watch regardless.

@pradeepchawla6643 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent

@kaxtorplose 2 жыл бұрын

Ooook, that was interesting microburst of information.

@caddeboy Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. Marvelous explanation🎉🎉🎉

@flightclubonline Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words.

@albertoh.b5171 Жыл бұрын

Great explanation ! Thank you

@flightclubonline Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your feedback.

@81squadronraf 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

@friedchicken1 2 жыл бұрын

So well explained! ! !

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

@Hopeless_and_Forlorn 3 ай бұрын

Never mind P-factor, in the late 1930s single-blade propellers were produced and installed on light aircraft for the supposed advantage of lower drag on one blade as opposed to two. I learned of this strange device when I found an advertisement for the propellers in a period aviation magazine given to me by a great uncle many years ago. I understand they are still used on retractable motors for self-launching, powered gliders.

@eduponsio 5 ай бұрын

veryvery good video and explanation

@peterdlima543 2 жыл бұрын

When we drill direction wells the drill bit has a tendency to move in the right hand direction similar to the rotation of the drill stting as it is enclosed inside a tube of rock formation around it. In air there is no restrictions and if the propeller is rotating clockwise the non rotating body will take or move in the opposite direction. 3rs law of motion

@ThePilotsLife 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome content

@jimmysalt8825 7 ай бұрын

Wow, that's awesome

@flightclubonline 7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@juricacakaric5535 2 жыл бұрын

Is there any way to manipulate the pitch of individual blades to make the trust more effective?

@user-gq5rm4pw4m 2 ай бұрын

The explanation is excellent 💯 for better understanding

@flightclubonline 2 ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

@fafasogamer6320 2 жыл бұрын

Damn now I know why I was landing sideways … THANK YOU

@rlbutterfield Жыл бұрын

Great explanation. I subscribed.👍🏻

@flightclubonline Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

@aka0989 2 жыл бұрын

wow, thanks

@chineweliukegbu9762 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful!

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks!

@diggtweet9941 9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much

@flightclubonline 9 ай бұрын

You're most welcome

@MistorGator13 2 жыл бұрын

Just learned something. Hmm. I subscribed.

@Varue 2 жыл бұрын

I would think that the force applied there would transfer 90 degrees ahead as it is being applied to a spinning object. Kind of like how helicopters cyclic stick changes the pitch 90 degrees around the disk to where you think it would change the pitch.

@stevenhall8469 2 жыл бұрын

The force (really) moment on a spinning object isn't transferred 90 degrees ahead. That's a misconception about how gyroscopic motion works. For a free (or nearly free) rotating body, like a helicopter rotor, the spinning body precesses when a torque is applied. It's a nice mnemonic to say that the force is transferred 90 degrees ahead, and that gives the right prediction of which way the body will precess, but it's not that the force is somehow redirected. For example, if you were to attached the axle of a bicycle wheel to a rigid load cell (a sort of electronic scale), and applied a force to the rotating wheel, the load cell wouldn't measure the force as occurring 90 degree out of phase with the application, it would measure it as occurring just where it was applied. But if you were to hold the axle in your hand, and apply a torque to the axle, the wheel would precess in a direction apparently 90 degrees out of phase with the application of the force. In the case of a propeller aircraft, if the pilot applies controls to keep the nose pointed in a fixed direction, there is no precession, and so all the forces must be in equilibrium. That means that an aerodynamic moment (right rudder) must be applied that exactly counteracts the P-factor.

@user-ir8yj8nv2z 2 жыл бұрын

amazing!

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@skycinestudio7275 2 жыл бұрын

What about propellers with more than 2 blades? And helicopters blades? And when combined with the torque effect?

@jsfbr 2 жыл бұрын

There is third effect coupled to the two effects nicely addressed in this video. The propeller causes the air to spiral in the same direction it turns. Using the same example, where the propeller turns clockwise when seen from behind, the air swirls so that it moves downward at the right side and upward in the left side of the aircraft. The air going down passes "clean" under the fuselage, crossing the airplane's belly from right to left. The air going up meets its fuselage, vertical stabilizer and rudder crossing the airplane's top from left to right. So it attacks those surfaces at an angle, thus generating lateral lift, pushing the tail to the right. This effect decreases as the airspeed increases.

@philipmartin708 10 ай бұрын

While you did a good job explaining the spiraling slipstream cause of left turning tendency, it doesn't belong here as P-Factor and Spiraling Slipstream are entirely different causes of left turning tendency.

@tmusky1134 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

@MiklosGorgenyi 2 жыл бұрын

Ahh! Thank you!

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Any time

@flyferran 2 жыл бұрын

excellent video!

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much.

@hamzalag2006 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

@dantoylamb1136 Жыл бұрын

can you also explain gyroscopic precession?

@santhuchatla5788 2 жыл бұрын

👌👌👌

@richmiller9844 2 жыл бұрын

I always thought is was a gyroscopic effect. Thanks

@SirGregory 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation in a version of English I understand.

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your feedback.

@De1taP 2 жыл бұрын

This channel definitely pushes p

@blubb9004 2 жыл бұрын

I have a question: At 1:30, what is the white line oriented at? At the down-going blade, it is perpendicular to the direction the plane/propeller points towards which makes somewhat sense to me, as the airflow will (mostly) be in that direction. But I dont get it with 1:30. Thanks for reading.

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

At 1:30, the white line is the up-going blade's relative airflow. The green arc (that looks like a line) is the up-going blade's angle of attack. That's my fault. I should have made the images bigger.

@blubb9004 2 жыл бұрын

@@flightclubonline No, the images are fine, I just did a little sketching of airflow and pitch myself and get it know.

@Z-Ack 2 ай бұрын

If the blades are rotating on a variable axis yes.. but when on a fixed axis ie a propeller shaft, the blades will not vary on their pitch.. only helicopters have blades that have variable pitch because this p effect is what you use to fly the thing.. if a plane had variable pitch and was flying with a front facing prop and it decided to change the angle of its dangle it would rip the blades off or cause the motor to stall out..

@markestrada9945 7 ай бұрын

Does gyroscopic precession not have an effect here? If there is more thrust produced on the right side during a nose up attitude, why wouldn't that force take effect 90 degrees later in the plane of rotation causing the nose to pitch up more?

@44hawk28 2 ай бұрын

Precisely why when you put an engine into a single-engine aircraft, you actually set it about an inch forward on the left side than on the right, or opposite that if the engine rotates counterclockwise from the aspect of the pilot. Where this affect becomes most pronounced is on twin engine aircraft and you have an engine go out where the pee effect is on the outside of the engine that still running. Which is why twin engine aircraft should actually have counter rotating props.

@einherz 2 жыл бұрын

is present propellers with asymmetric blades auto control like cyclic rotor for heli? it can automatically change any blade aoa for create symmetric power in theory, but did that someone in practice?

@thedolphin5428 4 ай бұрын

Boat props do the same thing, pull a little to one side. Dual props rotate opposite direction to equalise that

@thatairplaneguy 3 ай бұрын

So would there be any P factor for a single blade propeller? (Yes that is a thing. It was fairly common on aeronca’s and early cubs)

@mikeSierraisking 7 ай бұрын

This lady's voice makes me want to know more about anything she chooses to talk about. her: "Today we are going to be learning about plate tectonics, it actually has nothing to do with aviation" Me: Go on then, tell me more. Are these dinner plates or lunch plates?"

@eminbayar5112 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Flight Club! I am a student of Aerospace Engineering at Middle East Technical University. I am following your videos by having fun, I am also a voice actor. I want to voice your videos in the Turkish language because I want to teach young people and children who don't know English something about aircraft. Can I use your videos on my new youtube channel? I am waiting your reply.

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, of course you can. What is the name of your channel?

@eminbayar5112 2 жыл бұрын

@@flightclubonline it will be "Emin Bayar" again.Thank you :))

@yuningsun6914 3 ай бұрын

I wonder if contra-rotating propellers (2 propellers stack on each other rotating in opposite directions) negates the P-factor

@jonathanbaincosmologyvideo3868 2 ай бұрын

By tilting the prop like that you increase the chance of a stall. Horizontal velocity is the most efficient way to produce lift. Thats why its called a 'plane', and not a helicopter. Tilting the prop is equivalent to putting a ramp on your runway / aircraft carrier.

@bkehlin 2 жыл бұрын

So then why are propellers angled up? Wouldn't having them be level eliminate this effect?

@spacegamer6906 2 жыл бұрын

Why doesnt the Force have a Gyroscopic effect? souldnt the Airplane pitch up, as the force acts 90° of its origin?

@Nicola_Maiello 5 ай бұрын

First of all, your videos are absolutely clarifying and fantastic, but in this one I've noticed something wrong: when you explain the changing of plane of rotation since the nose pitches up, you consider, for the downgoing blade, the angle of incidence not the angle of attack, because you're keeping in the video the angle between the chord line of the blade and the rotation plane (for definition is the angle of incidence) and not the angle between the chordline and the relative airflow (angle of attack)...for this the red slice of angle should be smaller in the rappresentation, but however it would always be smaller than the angle of the upgoing blade. Maybe i'm wrong, I look forward to your reply. thaaaanks!

@partha7903 2 жыл бұрын

what about gyroscopic precession? shouldnt that cause the plane to pitch up instead?

@adrianchapa6439 2 жыл бұрын

I have a question If an altimeter setting is not available, the pilot can set the altimeter to the airport's field elevation before takeoff. is this true?

@Bendigo1 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. It is not the mos accurate way to adjust the altimeter but can be used to get it close enough to avoid crashing into the ground....

@mercedesdepaz 2 жыл бұрын

👍

@Wildcat-aviation 2 жыл бұрын

Good video. But P factor causes right turning tendency when decending ?

@varoo06 11 ай бұрын

yes right yaw when descending, and i am just reading the comments to see if someone can confirm this.

@simonz5905 2 ай бұрын

OOPs! I thougth I was going to see a video about statistics and P-value 😊

@bobadingo 2 ай бұрын

This effect only applies to taildragger aircraft and not tricycle landing gear aircraft during takeoff and Landings. but as both aircraft encounter the same angle of attack while in flight the p-factor is negated.. .

@jamosmithlol 4 ай бұрын

"... in addition to this [the angle of attack], the down-going blade travels further and therefore faster through the air than the up-going blade. These two effects combined cause the down going blade to produce more thrust than the up going blade and cause the airplane to yaw to the left." After a chat with GPT and rewatching this section several times, we are both confused by this. Is this inaccurate? It seems that both blades travel the same distance.

@electricburning 26 күн бұрын

If the prop shaft is tilted upwards, the down going blade does travel further. Greater the angle+airspeed greater the thrust difference

@mishacol 2 жыл бұрын

It is crazy that people in ancient china didn't discover this simple effect.

@oml81mm 4 ай бұрын

And this is part of the original reason why aircraft carriers have the island on the starboard side.

@justicegusting2476 2 ай бұрын

I always thought P-factor was the effect the corkscrew propeller turbulence placed on the left side of the vertical stabilizer.

@Ellexis Жыл бұрын

Should be called “ABE” Asymmetric Blade Effect. That would make way more sense than “P factor“.

@1008OH 2 жыл бұрын

more right r u d d e r

@etherealrose2139 2 жыл бұрын

Right ruddddder!

@HossainSiddiqui 2 жыл бұрын

And I got it wrong yesterday exam. Wish I have watched it earlier.

@flightclubonline 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that.

@ritzneo 5 ай бұрын

What doesnt make sense to me is how the propeller's relative airflow changes in angle. How can the down going blade have a different relative airflow angle with the up going blade if they are already both equal when levelled. Why doesnt that stay constant although they are still spinning the same motion. How do we know what is the correct angle of relative airflow between each propeller? At 0:42 and 1:24 how can the arrow change.

@RealNotallGaming 5 ай бұрын

rudder trim entered chat :)))

@milbruh6671 2 жыл бұрын

Does it push p tho?

@JondPames 4 ай бұрын

For "youre right guy", his mom, and Richard Moore, propeller has left yaw tendency due to torque, same for ships turbine etc. This is the origin of "youre right". Because your scouting division has no mission. Nobody bothers to explain anything to your Top Gs.

@louisvanrijn3964 2 жыл бұрын

.au ? Als erster Schaetzung kann angenommen werden: bei 1500 N Schub und 15 grad Flugzeug-anstellwinkel etwa 200 Nm effect. Also Mzz = 200 N.m und das ist Wechsel-biegung auf die propellerpachse, also Wohler-biegung. You wrote the clip, so I hope you understand the values.

@dittilio 4 ай бұрын

I know nothing about planes. Would it be possible to put the prop-shaft (or engine) on a gimble to counteract this? Essentially ensuring that for 90% of attitude ranges that the props are equalised?

@frankyboy1131 4 ай бұрын

Layman here. If I see it right, this is only relevant for single-engine-planes. Multi-engine planes like turbuprops have propellers turning both ways (I think) where opposite forces are neutralized. Commercial airliners have all engines turning the same way (cheaper to build), but the effect in a housed airstream is negligible or inexistent. But I don't know about other planes. In general, this effect depends on the actual flight attitude of the plane and is esiest to compensate by steering surfaces like ailerons, flaps, rudder, elevators etc.

@abdulrockman3992 7 ай бұрын

Why di she measure the down going angle of attack from the base of the propeller and she did not measure the up going from the base?

@vladimirzimonja8103 2 ай бұрын

I love applied physics. Want asymetric? Check out the setup of NASCAR or Indy car for oval tracks. That's asymetric. With a LOT of parameters. I rather stick with good old road and track.