Scale creep can also refer to a creep who is into scales

Scale creep is what GW said they were done with, along with rules bloat, oh, and don't forget their "we won't be killing off your first born" stance. 3d printers are really cold they all seem to go BRRRRR

The best way to solve scale creep: only use the new firstborn marines, and use Bolt Action minis for Imperial Guard. Just like that everything works

I love scale creep, because they are so fricking tiny already. The only range I enjoy painting are Orks, because I like infantry and they are big enough to be painted without being a chore. Whenever I touch a regular human I want to put a bullet into my head, because their arms are a thick as an Orls thumb

True scale is also about model proportions where models that are heroic scale have more chunky proportions to emphasize features and make them easier to handle and work with while truely true scale models can have some concerningly delicate limbs and such in model form

As a guy who refuses the walking heresy that is Primaris...until the Lion gives us his opinion on it, I have always been bothered by the small scale of the marines. Also, aren't the new IG taller than their old models?

This is why I love the new primaris models and love seeing people use them as just updated models for firstborn and not running them as primaris, 40k always had this issue where the guardsmen model was a centimeter taller than the space marine models and that ALWAYS drove me crazy.

Scale creep is the not very subtle way of making older models obsolete and lowering the value of the oversaturated used miniature market. Same with increasing the base size.

Funniest things this extends to even other paintable models, Mcfarlanes figures, especially their 40k and DC runs have such wild scales for being only 7"

Scale creep predates GW and Warhammer. 1:72 used to be popular for pre TTRPG wargames, 70's D&D minis were usually 24mm, then 25mm, slowly bumped up to 28mm and now 28mm heroic, basically 30. 24mm lead guys look like kids next to modern minis. Measurements also shifted from feet to eyes (Napoleonics wargaming had lots of big hats) to top of head. Warhams was definitely a big driver of this though just not the whole problem

That’s some sneaky fucking editing right there, driving up the views ;)

In my opinion GW has a problem of trying to add more unnecessary detail into their minis especially their rank and file. People cry for prettier models but then. Whine when the price per model goes up or they are monopose that have small fragile bits that break easily. It's why i enjoy simple sculpts because its easier to get painted and on the table sooner

I STILL LOVE MY FIRSTBORN BEAKIE MODELS FROM 1991... (Im also 45, and have basically bought GW corporate at least a FEW MERCEDES BY NOW)....

The problem is the question where it should end. The Space Marines got bigger, than they also need larger vehicles. Custodes are now same size as Astartes, that shouldn't be this way, the next set's getting a head or two taller. The brave Guardsman now look like children, what a shame, let's make them also taller, almost as giant as the Marines... This kind of game continues endlessly till you need to rent a hall to play the simplest of games.

Lol, the convention of asking questions and answers reminds me of a kids show, like I don't know, Grimdark Dora the Explorer or something. It's amusing guys, thanks!

Like what you guys are doing here. More and more folks coming to the hobby. Folks that haven't worked with metal or resin. Ty you two. Your adorable

Only seems to be GW that have this issue...

I can't wait til they scale creep them to being life sized statues

The real 'scale creep' is the guy who spends too much time in the reptile house at the zoo. Like, a noticeable and problematic amount of time.

I thought it said sales creep and this was gonna be a video about GW upping the prices like there's no tomorrow

this can explains Firstborns space marines being fully replaced by Primaris ones

scale creep is cash grab

And then when you play a game, "long range" is shorter than the scale distance I can throw a tennis ball

I think that primaris marines are only taller in the lore because their models are taller than the most recent firstborn models so to have them fighting side by side needed some explaining

Those are some beautiful salamanders

I love that it easier to paint

Grey knights being as tall as a dwarf:

Scale creep just means that those smaller models can get behind cover more easily.

LEGO is also experiencing it with their City line of vehicles. Started as 4 wide bricks to 6+ these days :'D Everyone wants DETAILLLLL ❤️

This feels like those audios you listen in English class in a native spanish speaking country

Reject scale creep. Just make the basing 5-10 cm big. Occupy the high ground

primaris are just an excuse to slowly remove the older marines miniatures go obsolete and force Space Marine players, the largest group of 40k players having to buy new minis

The old metal marines were tiny, I still have a few lurking around,, I'm glad that they upscaled because you get more detailed models that are not as frustrating to paint.

I think that the current size of the Guardsmen and other human like creatures is very good. They already have better proportions and details than the old ones, and if they would have even more it would extremely hard to paint hordes of them. The pauldrons, armor and helmets are perfect.

Why increase the size of the Imperial Guard? They were perfect at 28mm when comparing them to Primaris marines. Scaling them at 32mm just defeats the purpose.

Make the marines bigger and stronger

Remember when scale was 1/60 for every unit?

I love my older models being smaller its easier to hide.

Where can I i get that female miniature at the end? Looks cool

Warhammer has an odd relationship to scale creep, and many people seem to misconstrue it vastly. If you compare eldar, guardsmen or mechanicus to the models we had 20 years ago, they are not only better proportioned but a fair bit slimmer and smaller overall. Scale Creep would only be applicable to where the same model or character becomes bigger and bigger, or when a company such as Warlord (which I love...) suddenly make a 13mm range which people try to make compatible with existing 11mm ranges and so on. Primaris marines aren't scale creep really, are they? As you say, they were under-scaled before, and not they are correctly scaled to the rest of the game.

the worst I've seen was the age of darkness set where the brand new MKVI models are noticeably smaller than the brand new praetor. how do you release two models at the exact same time and screw up the scale so badly?

Thats not true scale u misuse that word scale isnt height its proportions such as arm go body ratios

I always prefer 32 when 3d printing for more details

First thing I learned in educational entertainment: Don't talk to your audience like they are braindead.

Me who bases every miniature I have on 32mm

SHPESH MUREEEEEENNNSSS

But man do the primaris looks soo much better than the firstborns.

My Cataphron has a wider torso than a primaris in power armour. And they are supposed to be made from baseline humans, aren't they? It bugs me.

I think this is not a bad thing as long a the trend does not proportionally continue (I.e 1 meter tall intercessors in 20 years) and as long as the actual relative sizes of models are respected (I.e a guardsman isn’t as tall as a space marine). Some of the older models while incredibly detailed and creative were sort of “compact” in my opinion, slightly larger models gives the designer more palette to work with imo

They're not true scale. They're truer scale. True scale is what is in the art

Watchmen should not be ob this list. The watchmen should not have a sequel.

So other than the Primaris Marines, is there any other example of scale creep in WH40K? Because 1 step does not constitute creeping.

Scale creep has annoyed me at times truthfully. I play Horus Heresy and first born marines are numerous. Yet the new Scout Marines that came in a kill team box, are much taller and wider than the Horus Heresy marines. So a scout marine being taller than a fully armored first born marine is just weird

Larger models, more detail, more paints sold on average. $$$ raise prices, give cheaper quality, less paint over time.

If gw actually did the smart thing and did a complete scale, model and rule refresh at 10th editions start then so many issues would be sorted. Sadly gw does not care about the smart thing and only cares about cost.

Never mind the scale creep. How do you get 10 space marines in a MK1 rhino. Technically it would be 11 cause of the driver. Anyways. Space marines awesome

If you want to know about scale creep, look at the Eldar Avatar...

Scale is way off in 40k, ghazgkull is a good example, 18 foot tall in lore but only a few inches taller than guilliman on tabletop

Orks have got the opposite issue, ghaz is canonically 28 feet tall but on tabletop hes almost as short as guilliman

warhammer are supposed to be 1:64 but they are getting closer to 1:42 . I dont do that much minis but i'm afraid in the 10 next year regular humans will be 1:35 and space marine 7-8cm tall

My OG Terminators from 1992 look pathetic against the Terminators of today. :(

It's not a theory. I predicted Primaris were going to come out as soon as Stormcast eternals came out. The eternals were "truescale" marine sized and people were buying them just to use in conversions for spacemarines. I called it while I was in an official Warhammer store and the manager insisted that it wasn't true because he was still trying to sell the old marines and if people found out about the upcoming Primaris they would stop buying firstborn all together. Just days ago GW did a range refresh on the stormcast eternals and straight up said "We're replacing them". If they had handled marines like that people would be extremely pissed. But instead GW ruined their own universe's consistency.

I truly, truly don’t have an issue with scale creep. I feel like the plastic moulds GW uses should go the level of detail that allows larger models to look absolutely fantastic. The prices are wack, but the actual models are completely sick.

I love the primaris marines as models, but by god, they couldnt have botched the lore harder I mean its been YEARS so it doesnt matter anymore, but they really should have just have had them as updated models of the OG marines. I get that it would have been weird to see them next to their squatty predecesors... But have you SEEN eldar armies? My god, NECRONS back in the day when they refreshed were a patchwork of the cowboy posed dumbones and the skellynators for a long long while. Its a 40+ year old game. Its alriiiight.

I don't think it's "creep" if it took 30+ years.

Just give me 1/100 scale and I'll be happy

The theory about primaris being a range refresh sounds right because it’s incredibly dumb in the lore

I like the idea of primaris I just don't like the execution

Hmm... A cynic might argue that it's a rather cheeky way to make older models LOOK worse, thus "encouraging" players to buy the newer models so they don't feel like their army looks bad next to a new one. 40k is as much as a fashion show as it is a wargame, and GW are very aware of that.

Larger but not cooler

You wanna see scale creep? Look at abaddon that man leaped not creeped.

An epidemic, and the reason modern (post-1900s) GW is invalid in every way.

How about f space marines though? I'm loving that amazon that can crush that puny alpha wannabe.

we have the tech to make models more detailed modern models arnt suffering from scalecreep its that they are display pieces and you want your fancy display piece to be big enough to be noticed its not supposed to be a unit in an army

"GW did nothing wrong" cope

i was upset with ted lasso, it was a good show that showed building relationships and fighting for better, then the drastic other side with ptsd and mental health. Then it just turned into a diversity shit show.

Ngl i wish that we had smaller point games with stronger ALL units and cadian gotta be in size of space marine but space marine will be even larger. I'm 8 months in this hobby but before i went to the hobby i thought that the smallest models are like Custodes/Orcs lmao. As you can guess i like elite armies. But yeah, primaris marines are great, first born are cute of course

Minis should be true scale size no matter how hard or easy is to paint them. Period.

This video literally did nothing. No comparisons, no examples, no suggestions,… just pointless banter

Larger and more details 🥲. I will never finish a army