I haven’t watched the video but stall sucks.

Can you break down Blunders infamous loss against last mon toxapex?

Then why havent you liked vanochristian7639's comment, which clearly says ,,I haven't watched the video but (...)" This, although on the surface seeming like a simple statement with no goal to harm, is a lie told to the Commenters to keep them engaging. We're onto you, *B*urger *K*ing *C*hili and we won't let this behavior slide.

i haven't watched the video, but blunder is the greatest youtuber of all time and nothing he says will change my opinion.

@@ostint912No need, Kanye already did.

This, getting haxed turn 100+, and having a 3 min attention span are the only valid reasons to hate it

I had a game were I was making choices in a reasonable amount of time against a stall player and it went to over turn 100 and all of a sudden had ten seconds left to make a choice. That surprised me, threw me into a panic, and I lost because my moves got sloppy. I was pissed for losing for such a stupid reason and stopped playing for several months.

​@@RedBloodedMale777I guess because its not like a competitive pokemon player has anything better to do with their time

@@kvltofsobek90 huh

You jest, but I got called a dirty stall user once in Gen 8 by. Some asshole who was playing basically the same stall team but with one sweeper. “My brother in Christ, we are both scum”

​@@lancesmith8298hopefully they were being ironic, or maybe they were scared of coming out as a stall player. Being stallphobic is rough

​@@Dragostorm21Stallphobia is a real problem in today's society. Thank God 🙏

Spoken like a prophet

More like ToxaPECKS AMIRITE?!

Meanwhile the current state of Gen 9 OU is people pretty much reinventing the punji spike

8 pp recovery/boil and hasard hell... Offensive threats coupled with tera... I miss stall dude.

Agency agency agency!

Life hack play national Dex and use taunt mega gyarados and 6-0 stall in 10 turns

I’ve always found stall to be the sign of a bad meta. If I can just slap the 6 bulky mons together and wall most or heck even half of the offensive meta then there’s a problem.

@@fulltimeslackerii8229if it’s everywhere I agree but if it’s solid but niche that’s when it’s healthy

don't reply to then seriously

what a battle takes more than 30 secs to finish? this is a waste of time, completly ignoring the fact that nobody has time for x matchen only for x insert timeframe. ok you play less battles but lets be honest stall teams rely on predictions, ho not so much.

Make sure to pause the video inbetween aswell

This is the biggest thing for me. When offense has set up its win, there are a few turns left and it's over, when stall has set up its win you're like "well if I get a freeze or if I get a bunch of crits maybe I can pull this around" and that doesn't happen and you just lose really slowly and it's very frustrating.

Colonel, I’m trying to get past the Kommo-o, but it’s dummy thicc, and the clang of its asscheeks keeps sweeping my team

KZfaq is so cowardly for instantly removing my Colonel copypasta about Kommo-o’s clanging cheeks

Even funnier when you consider snorlax, who IS fat

If you realize you can’t win no matter what, just concede. If you’re not lying about your odds of winning in that scenario, then this is the most optimal play. Or you could, like, try to claw your way out, maybe even learn the matchup

@@lancesmith8298 always got to play for the choke. No matter how soul crushing

@@lancesmith8298the match up is: do I have taunt and a way to kill their unaware mon so my setup sweeper can win? No? Okay guess I gotta get crazy crits

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 I mean, if you want genuine answers, the questions you need to ask yourself against stall are: 0. Am I even playing to win in the first place? No amount of competitive advice will answer this for you, and no competitive advice will teach you how to have fun as you see fit. My first thought upon Gen 9 release was “it’d be really funny to run Cyclizar Screens HO”, and that playstyle was never going to stay legal. If you’re not in it just for the prestige of winning, play your favorites, not to the meta. Or pick something that sparks joy. 1. Did I pack a wallbreaker? Choice item beefcakes are pretty much your main way past Unaware in general, especially if they have the right coverage (for example, Grassy Glide into Quag, Earthquake into Clod, [good Grass special move] for Dondozo, Iron Head for Clefable, and so on). This is precisely what they’re there for. 2. What Pokemon do I have that can go long if need be? Dragonite is a sweeper, yes, but Multiscale can take the edge off of stray hits, and Roost exists. So many random Mons get Pressure, and recovery moves have even less PP than before, so you can reasonably get something paralyzed and switch it into Roost/Heal Bell/Defog/U-turn/other status moves, wasting their resources. 3. How much of their team can I kill with one sweep? Sometimes you have threats like Manaphy that are terrifying without an Unaware mon on deck, and sometimes you just have a good type advantage to work with. 4. What’s the most threatening Pokémon on the team, and how do I kill it? Killing it isn’t the hard part so much as the double switches and mind games it might take to get their best Pokemon into a position you can threaten it in. You have so many turns to learn your opponent’s autopilot. 5. Can I accept the fact my team simply loses to some stall teams? Hey, game’s random sometimes, and even if it weren’t, ladder isn’t the tournament experience. You might as well play it out to see what to do in the future.

they don't

i mostly play gen 3 because gen 2 stalling is not stalling but lets be honest: one side think the match should en at turn 15 the other side thinks nah and i dont see the problem because the game or sites like showdown make it clear what rules exist before you can press play.

@@outis2493 i play gen 3 ou because no one is queing actual teams in gen 2

Yeah bkc is a pokemon professor

it won't surprise you to learn BKC is an academic

There's def a balance between HO 6-0 sweep and Clef Regenrator Balance with HDB. Anyway, for singles, I think while not every game needs to be short, games should feel snappy. Thus, I am not a fan of Regenrator, HDB, and think Hazards are necessary to keep a good pace for games in singles.

You're right The difference is the Clef HDB Regen is cool because players have to feel each other out until eventually the teams fall apart with good maneuvering.​@@theimpersonator7086

@@theimpersonator7086Honestly, if I had to build competitive Pokemon from scratch, knowing what we know now (this isn’t even too much of a hypothetical, pet mods are really interesting me rn), I’d throw out hazards and hazard removal entirely, in favor of making switching always cost health. If the point of hazards is to punish switching, then doesn’t that put the problem on switching as a flawed mechanic in need of balancing, and not the hazards themselves? And if it’s not switching’s fault, is losing a quarter of a healthbar plus Toxic a fair trade for keeping switching as it is?

@@lancesmith8298 If hazards were to be removed, then yeah Pivot moves, Regenerator, some mons stats would def have to be nerfed or removed to keep games for having a good pace/flow to them.

​@@lancesmith8298 Switching is not a flawed mechanic whatsoever. It's the single most important core feature of Pokemon that makes it fun to play competitively, and on it's own it's a genius way to turn rock-paper-scissors into a positional offense/defense tug of war ("do I use a move to bring the opposing team closer to fainting, or give up a turn for better positioning?"). In doubles format it's less important because what you have out on the field is already a complex position (double the mons, double the rocks papers and scissors out) and aggro control through direct protection like Protect/Detect, redirection like Rage Powder/Follow Me, and other supplementary moves like Ally Switch take the place of switching for the most part. 100% of the time, it is ALWAYS mechanics that abuse switching by removing it's inherent cost that arguably cause issues. Regenerator is switching, and using a recovery move. U-Turn is switching, and using an attack. Magic Guard is switching, and using Safeguard/getting a turn of Leftovers over Sand, etc. Hazard gameplay is one of the most effective ways to fight back against switch abuse (most switch abusers, obviously not Magic Guard). I don't understand why you would want to see hazards removed entirely. They add a layer of depth to the game beyond attacks, boosts, and status. Because the core of competitive Pokemon is positioning, and switching is how positioning is achieved, why wouldn't you want to have methods in your game of making switching more interesting? The tug of war is more even more deep with hazard gameplay, on top of clicking attacks, boosts, or status, you can choose to "give up" a turn like with switching, but instead it makes the future of the game slightly more advantageous to you (or in other words, you slightly nerf switching for the opponent). And with hazard removal, you can undo that advantage with giving up one of your turns (Defog and old Rapid Spin aren't real attacks/"boosts" on their own). I think just adding an HP nerf on switching is a wholly worse decision. You are removing depth from the game, and depending on the gen, could just ruin the flow of the game entirely (in GSC for instance maybe the game wouldn't be ruined, though it's still just a worse version of what single layer Spikes and Rapid Spin already add to the game). And also, you technically do lose HP every switch, because the opponent gets the opportunity to get a free attack in. It's just more interesting this way because free turning given off switching can be used for more than just immediate damage. In my opinion, all that would need to be done with Stealth Rocks is just to remove the type effectiveness of it and lock it to being 12.5% damage regardless of levitation or Flying typing. Pokemon is already chock full of asymmetrical type balancing... but in most cases Stealth Rock pushes it a bit far. Volcarona is one of the only examples of Stealth Rock tyoe effectiveness being healthy since it's a goddamn monster and this is a unique Achilles Heel for it. But boots kinda ruined that...

amazing! love shaolin soccer as well

I want to make videos about team styles actually

@@BKCplaysPokemon I would love to see that, cause once you have experience it becomes very vibes based and hard to describe.

Pinkacross also has a really good video on team styles! He mostly plays gen 9 but it’s a really good summary of the different archetypes

I'm no expert in ADV but i think TSS, isn't tied to an archetype, you can make it both offensive and defensive teams using TSS as your win con

TSS is a gameplan in Gen 3, and not the actual archetype. There’s a lot of Mons that are big dumb walls that work for TTS, but they’re not required to be TTS. It’s as much of an archetype as VolTurn is. Bulky offense is different from balance based on move choices (I think, trying to position something as “balanced” is stupid hard to define regardless of game). A BO team might have a recovery move or two, and picks Mons that can tank a couple hits to swing back harder. Meanwhile, Balance teams tend to have 50/50 splits between hard hitters and defensive pivots, and also between solid damage moves and utility moves. And yes. Kind of an upsettingly good HO style of team, actually; usually those are pretty frail and die off as new meta threats get established or solved, but there’s pretty much no universe where somebody isn’t running a Steel type to fight Dragon moves

SPIRITOMB, you mean! but I appreciate the spirit

BBL Blunder got exposed

I liked BDSP a lot too, I was sad to see the metagame go. Even though DPP OU is my fav tier, I do like hidden abilities and seeing mons like Sheer Force Feraligatr being a legitimate threat made BDSP so fun I'm still salty over the Gengar ban

Issue with stall in gen9 is that there’s only like 1-2 viable teams everyone spams. It takes a single google search to find most stall players team paste and then there is a massive disadvantage

Stall has the most options for counter play lol. Aside from there being tons of slow wallbreakers that stall really hates to see, there’s also stallbreakers like taunt substitute users, and even without dedicated mons at all a well built offensive team can win by good play and applying constant pressure via knock off, hazards, and predictions