What is SUBTRACTIVE Saturation!?! - Pro Colorist Masterclass - Film Emulation in Davinci Resolve

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What is subtractive saturation. How does it differ from additive saturation. Why does film look so good? How can you use saturation like a professional colourist in your work. Welcome to our latest masterclass.
Links:
Jason Bowdach: www.jasonbowdach.com
@KaurH Kaur Hendrikson's KZfaq channel: / @kaurh
@CullenKelly Cullen Kelly's KZfaq channel: / @cullenkelly
@CullenKelly Cullen Kelly's mixing light article on subtractive saturation: mixinglight.com/color-grading...
@DaVinciMasterKey Daria Fissoun's KZfaq channel: / @davincimasterkey
@DarrenMostyn video on subtractive saturation: • My NEW Favourite Gradi...
00:00 Intro
00:29 Additive Colour
01:22 Subtractive Colour
03:53 Film vs Digital
04:37 The Fake Way
05:35 The Hard Way
11:04 The Easy Way
12:18 Jason Interview
17:16 Kaur Interview
19:59 Results and Thank-you's
20:39 Conclusion
Created by Team 2 Films.
#colorgrading #davinciresolve #filmmaking

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@vinhdo1609
@vinhdo1609 9 ай бұрын
This channel just breaks the internet with such huge information and knowledge. it's basically a masterclass for free. thanks
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! Kudo's to all the people we mentioned in the thanks at the end though.
@RustyShackleford9000
@RustyShackleford9000 8 ай бұрын
@@team2films 0:37 green is not a primary color lol. The primary colors are yellow, red, blue
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
@@RustyShackleford9000 Thanks for watching and commenting. I can understand why you'd think that, but green actually is a primary colour. Primary colours 'are sets of colors that can be combined to make a useful range of colors'. Different colour systems use different primary colours. For example in print Cyan, Magenta and Yellow are the primary colours used. In additive colour Red, Green and Blue are used as the primary colours. You might find this article helpful: simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_color Thanks again for watching and commenting.
@GuidoGautsch
@GuidoGautsch 8 ай бұрын
​@@RustyShackleford9000 lol
@smepable
@smepable 9 ай бұрын
THIS is how Color Grading Tutorials should be done! Thorough explanation of how Things Work and why you do what and compare different methods and explain the effects of the techniques on the footage. Great channel
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. You get us! 😄 It’s great to have you here.
@smepable
@smepable 9 ай бұрын
@@team2films its just so good to NOT See someone pushing colors around wildly talking about "Juice"....If you know who I mean 😀
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Hello, a big thanks to everyone who has pointed out that subtractive saturation can also be created with a single node set to hsv and then changing the gain of just the green (saturation) channel. We're calling that method hSv. It's a great tip and our apologies for not including that in the video. It doesn't change the fact that HueShift is a great tool that adds value to the process and speeds up your work! Thanks once again to everyone who has watched and commented. We appreciate you all!
@The_Daliban
@The_Daliban 8 ай бұрын
You’re great🙏🏻 Thank you for sharing. We are all here to learn. Keep it up👍🏻🙏🏻🫶🏻
@HeliopausePictures
@HeliopausePictures 9 ай бұрын
I'm two films in with Kaur, Jason, and Stefan Ringelschwandtner's DCTLs and I'm never going back to the "old ways" that involved complex node trees. The bang for your buck is a no-brainer.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
That's great to hear. The convenience they bring to your workflow is well worth it.
@RealMrBoy
@RealMrBoy 8 ай бұрын
I knew I could trust this guy because his video has very good coloring. No bright red and blue LED lights blasting out the background like most of the KZfaq How-to crowd. Thanks!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Haha, thanks so much. It's great to have you here, we really try to focus on the teaching rather than the dazzle! Btw, please note there is a simpler way to do Sub Sat using the hSv method described in the comments.
@rendermanpro
@rendermanpro 6 күн бұрын
Invaluable information, that's so cool! Especially compositing of color nodes and layers explanation. Huge thanks for sharing knowledge! The irony is that one video interview about advanced color techniques in 4 bit color with banding and like shoot on a potato... 🤣
@woodax
@woodax 2 ай бұрын
Welcome DaVinci Resolve 19, where you can do it with one slider. Awesome update, and awesome content from you. Cheers!
@team2films
@team2films 2 ай бұрын
Hahha, yeah almost! Some of these new features are pretty wild!
@djquixx
@djquixx 8 ай бұрын
I'm only 3 mins in and already feel blown away by how well this information has been presented and explained. Subscribed!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! We're so glad it's hitting right. Great to have you here.
@EdProsser
@EdProsser 7 ай бұрын
Thank you as always for the nuanced run through and explanations - the interviews were a great addition too!
@team2films
@team2films 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Ed. Much appreciated. Yeah, the interviews were a nice surprise. Really enjoyed hearing Jason's perspective on grading.
@EdProsser
@EdProsser 7 ай бұрын
@@team2films yes always nice to see the faces behind these things and understand where they're coming from. I've seen a few vids on this area of saturation but this was by far the best. Thanks again, love your channel.
@staticvideo
@staticvideo 8 ай бұрын
You guys are till heavily under appreciated. I hope you gain the traction you deserve. Always top-notch quality. Thank you!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
That's really kind of you. We're happy to know people are enjoying the videos.
@euengelion
@euengelion 7 ай бұрын
Mind blowing! Bless you and your team for this info!
@team2films
@team2films 7 ай бұрын
Our pleasure, thanks for watching.
@jonathanschanbacher3782
@jonathanschanbacher3782 8 ай бұрын
You Guys are soooo informative! What an amazing channel!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. Kind of you to say.
@ArdanaMindFilms
@ArdanaMindFilms 9 ай бұрын
As the beginner colorist,this channel is very helpful for learning about colorgrading. Thank you very much for making this content
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
So glad it's helping on your colour grading journey.
@MartinStuertzer
@MartinStuertzer 9 ай бұрын
A phenomenal video! I learned a lot, thank you!
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
So happy to hear Martin. Thanks for watching.
@hhougen
@hhougen 9 ай бұрын
Yea this is insane. Color is insane. Thanks for overloading my brain. I'm having to replay this 42 times to get the message in my thick skull.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Ah thanks so much! Yeah it's pretty packed, so replay as many times as you want!
@Henminlul
@Henminlul 9 ай бұрын
The knowledge you shared for us is another level.Thank you so much
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Our pleasure. Thanks for watching.
@MuzTalkies
@MuzTalkies 9 ай бұрын
Seeing these videos of you, feels like i did not miss and cinema school. Huge respect and a huge thank you.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks. Glad it's helpful. More topics coming soon!
@bruno.boisson.caravella
@bruno.boisson.caravella 9 ай бұрын
Great ! Thank for your Work!
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@bseng
@bseng 8 ай бұрын
So much great information, delivered in such a clear way!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Thank-you very much, appreciate you watching and commenting.
@tiago.matias
@tiago.matias 8 ай бұрын
Loved this. Thank you!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Our pleasure.
@vladbobe26
@vladbobe26 8 ай бұрын
I cannot like this video enough. Great info and expertly presented!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it so much.
@TomSidProductions
@TomSidProductions 9 ай бұрын
I met an editor/colorist a few weeks ago and this video is spot on. He also talked alot about great DCTL is and owns several plugins for it.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much Tom. Appreciate you commenting.
@deepmusic2456
@deepmusic2456 8 ай бұрын
Awesome 👍👍👍
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Thanks as always.
@MarioDuch
@MarioDuch 5 ай бұрын
Thank so much for this! I was having big trouble making my skin tones looking good and not so orange, this fixed my issue! Keep up the good work mate!
@team2films
@team2films 4 ай бұрын
Ah! So glad to hear. Thanks for watching.
@BieuvilleJeanBaptiste
@BieuvilleJeanBaptiste 8 ай бұрын
Waow mindblowing!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot 😊
@JimRobinson-colors
@JimRobinson-colors 9 ай бұрын
Really interesting - I know both Jason and Kaur - really helpful and smart guys. I proposed the question to Cullen of why we tend to not fix the saturation in footage first, then decide on the amount to apply? My opinion is pretty much what Jason and Kaurs tool actually does. I don't believe that saturation is something that can be a one knob fix in regular sat tools using any color space. I also have the opinion that camera manufacturers, and pretty much every job on set is to nail skin tones - especially in camera, the digital saturation and how it is used is to push the best ( what they think is the best ) skin tone in their saturation decisions. Camera manufactures know this, and will target skin as a selling point. Now because of that fact - a lot of the rest of the image may, or may not have the correct balance in saturation, and become either too saturated or undersaturated. Where as I mentioned - one knob isn't going to fix it. The filmic aspect - the fact that light is being pushed through the film - you want something redder or greener - a film camera can't just add saturation - they need to increase the amount of color in the process, by adding density ( literally ) which of course will let less light through and it becomes darker. Keep up these great videos - you are going to get a large following really quickl and the sucess will be well deserved. cheers
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Jim and for your encouraging comment. Jason and Kaur are great. Yeah, it's great to have such a variety of cool tools for addressing saturation. We are spoilt! And Kudos once again to Cullen for his work on this. Thanks again for watching. Great to have you here.
@YOUAREMYKIN
@YOUAREMYKIN 9 ай бұрын
❤ This video was awesome 👏 Thank you 🙏
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much ❤️
@SleipnirADV
@SleipnirADV 9 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you!
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks
@VladVdovin
@VladVdovin 8 ай бұрын
Guys! This knowledge is changing my life!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much Vlad.
@eigenkuro7166
@eigenkuro7166 9 ай бұрын
This is incredible technique, thank you so much!
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. Appreciate you watching and commenting.
@Mrdracula29
@Mrdracula29 8 ай бұрын
This is experience❤
@tocoviperez
@tocoviperez Ай бұрын
love the content!!
@team2films
@team2films Ай бұрын
Thank-you so much! Appreciate you commenting.
@RPPRods
@RPPRods 8 ай бұрын
Wow. This is a lot of knowledge shared. Thank you! Subscribed.
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@bobless5517
@bobless5517 8 ай бұрын
Such more information! Thanks
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching.
@a2roland
@a2roland 6 ай бұрын
Thank You!
@team2films
@team2films 5 ай бұрын
You're welcome! Great to have you here.
@slaww666
@slaww666 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing knowledge.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Our pleasure. Great to have you here.
@bagrambill
@bagrambill 8 ай бұрын
Best overall explanation ever....
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much, great to have you here.
@rcmarcelo68
@rcmarcelo68 8 ай бұрын
My brain melted!! Amazing tutorial!! Thanks for sharing it!!! :)
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Oh no! We gotta get you back in the freezer! 🤣 Thanks so much for watching and commenting.
@rcmarcelo68
@rcmarcelo68 8 ай бұрын
@@team2films Really amazing Video!!!
@LerosOnline
@LerosOnline 9 ай бұрын
It’s very amazing … great videos
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much.
@villepakarinen
@villepakarinen 2 күн бұрын
Sweet Jesus who sleeps with Mary in heaven!!! Tried this on a recent grade and it's like next level film-like! I always knew the saturation knob had something "off" about it. Always increased saturation with great misgivings
@NathanaelNewton
@NathanaelNewton 8 ай бұрын
Incredible! Thanks for sharing.. I've bookmarked this for future reference :D
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
So glad you enjoyed it. Thanks so much.
@ulrichgamingandmusic
@ulrichgamingandmusic 8 ай бұрын
Very helpful video. I learned alot. Thank you!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
So glad! Thanks for watching.
@ericcoopersomatics
@ericcoopersomatics 8 ай бұрын
This is above my skill level, but still, what a beautiful tutorial. Thank you for such elegant teaching.
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Ah thank-you Eric. That's really kind of you to say. When you are ready, it's there for you! In the meantime thanks for watching. It's great to have you here.
@genericgymvlogsph9739
@genericgymvlogsph9739 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely amazing advanced tutorial here! I find it very difficult to find expert knowledge in this field because the rise of influencers lately.. I am curious if you have a paid course in this format? Also I would love some help in the realm of sharpening! There are many ways to tackle it but most leave me feeling with gopro like footage. Thanks again!
@team2films
@team2films 2 ай бұрын
Hello! Yes, we have a course! It focuses on professional editing in DaVinci Resolve but it also tackles basic colour and audio work. There will be more details about that next week. We love requests and suggestions, thank-you.
@user-cd7lf1zl3h
@user-cd7lf1zl3h 7 ай бұрын
να σαι καλα, φιλε μου!
@team2films
@team2films 7 ай бұрын
Ευχαριστηση μας
@blertonsaraci
@blertonsaraci 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for these jewels 💎 man! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it :)
@blertonsaraci
@blertonsaraci 9 ай бұрын
@@team2films One would expect though that a world class software like davinci would already have such a plug-in!(Simplyfied) let’s hope to an uptade soon!
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
@@blertonsaraciYeah agreed, it would be great if these features were integrated in the future. In the meantime though, It’s pretty amazing though that DaVinci’s node based engine makes it possible to perform these kind of operations. That’s also why Blackmagic has developed the DCTL api. So other developers can augment Resolve with additional functionality. It would perhaps make the program more difficult to use if it tried to incorporate tools for every style of colour grading.
@blertonsaraci
@blertonsaraci 9 ай бұрын
@@team2films Absolutely, you are right! Just that with the time,(as you briliant guest mantioned) you start feeling/understandig the foundamentality of density, and it’s definitive belonging in the DaVinci world!
@OriginalJoeJ
@OriginalJoeJ 8 ай бұрын
Great video, subbed!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@johann7499
@johann7499 9 ай бұрын
I saw some guys use the second method, but instead of using nodes to separate the V-Channel they disabled these channels in the nodes drop-down menu. I'm not entirely sure if this approach has any differences, but it is way easier as you only need one node and it gives you subtractive saturation and similar results.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
I can't say for sure without seeing the method you are referring to, but it might be performing a type of additive saturation (not subtractive).
@InfiniteRealms
@InfiniteRealms 9 ай бұрын
@@team2films Yeah in a single node set colorspace to HSV with channels 1&3 disabled leaving only channel 2 enabled to control saturation via the gain wheel. Scopes behave the same way as method two so looks to be subtractive.
@balintnagy3914
@balintnagy3914 9 ай бұрын
@@InfiniteRealms this is what I do as well
@MrWarwickJones
@MrWarwickJones 8 ай бұрын
In fact you can see it in this video! When you adjust the green gain channel in your HSV node, the scopes look identical to when you're adjusting the gain at the end@@team2films
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Update: Yes, that method does work. @MrWariwckJones kindly helped us out with that.
@SmartMeditationFilms
@SmartMeditationFilms 7 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Thank you ! I liked and sub'd.
@team2films
@team2films 7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. Welcome!
@albin_ljungqvist
@albin_ljungqvist 8 ай бұрын
You can do this easily with one node in davinci without the plugin. Create a node in HSV color space, deselect channel 1 & 2 and increase the gain.
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, that method does not yield the same result. Subtractive saturation should have a non-linear response across different luminance and saturation values. The method you described applies saturation in a more linear manner, affecting darker and less saturated colours more than desired. It yields broadly similar results with subtle adjustments, but does not look as good when stronger adjustments are made. Hope that helps! Feel free to try both methods and see how it affects the image and parade scopes.
9 ай бұрын
One of the greatest tutorial channels for DaVinci! Remarkable job! One little correction i must mention because I am shooting on film a lot. 3:26, The density on a film is not coming from the saturation or the color richness on a negative film. The density is coming from the exposure. More overexposed the negative, the dense (thick) it will be. Underexposed means less dense (thin). Again. GREAT GREAT job guys. thanks for this wonderful video!
9 ай бұрын
Correction. It is somewhat relative with the color richness also, but mainly the density is exposure.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Heya. Thanks so much for watching the video and leaving such a kind comment. Some thoughts. Yes, density is a consequence of exposure, but exposure is also a consequence of saturation. Highly saturated colours are also typically highly exposed. Hence, the reason why density is being associated with saturation. Saturation occurs when there is a difference in the exposure of the colour records. The greater the disparity the higher the saturation. So in the instance of a highly saturated blue... the saturation is caused by a dense magenta and cyan record. Would love to hear your thoughts.
@Fedor_Dokuchaev_Color
@Fedor_Dokuchaev_Color 9 ай бұрын
@@team2films "Highly saturated colours are also typically highly exposed". If you think about light reflectance, it should be other way round. Objects with highly saturated colors reflect less light, because they absorb more wavelengths that they reflect in comparison with pale and white colors. So, they should be less exposed on film.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
@@Fedor_Dokuchaev_Color thanks for commenting and joining this thread. Yes, you are right that saturation does technically decrease exposure, many highly perceptually saturated colours in an image have above average exposure. Please allow me to explain what I mean. It all depends on your frame of reference. Yes, a highly saturated colour has less exposure than pure white therefore it has a lower exposure. But in the example provided above of a strong blue it has strongly exposed magenta and cyan records. That’s 2 out of three color records that are near fully exposed. As the most strongly saturated colours have the highest disparity between colour records, that’s why density (or exposure) is so strongly associated with saturation on film. I look forward to hearing your comments.
9 ай бұрын
@@team2films Thanks for your answer. True, but on the other hand, if you would take a picture of a super saturated blue sky and absolutely underexpose the frame, no matter how much saturated would be the sky, the negative would be super thin :D cheers.
@GaetanoCrisci
@GaetanoCrisci 9 ай бұрын
I'm a beginner but I understand how this is really useful, thank you! I know it's a completely different argument but I would really found something so polished and simple for colour animation of the subtitles like auto highlight the current spoke word...
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Great idea! Thanks for watching.
@GaetanoCrisci
@GaetanoCrisci 9 ай бұрын
@@team2films Thank You to You for this professional information made for beginners!
@giorgiodinello854
@giorgiodinello854 8 ай бұрын
damn!
@ja-kidnb6416
@ja-kidnb6416 Ай бұрын
So I've played around with this and found out that setting a node to HSV and just raising the green channel yields the exact same result. When set to luminosity on a single hsv node it's identical to the presented node tree when just raising y gain. What I experimented with is splitting HSV and feeding Saturation into the Value channel and subtracting it that way. Beforehand I multiply the Value channel with the Saturation channel to avoid ultra saturated colors at the very extremes of the luminance ranges. The result is - in my opinion - the most flexible and the most pleasing looking. The corresponding node tree can easily be saved as a power grade and just needs one or two nodes to be touched to get nice results. It also has the benefit of lowering the gain of saturated colors, without adding saturation you don't want. Just my 2 cents. Cheers!
@team2films
@team2films Ай бұрын
Thanks so much for watching! Yes we’re aware of that technique. There is a comment in the description about it. Doesn’t mention the multiply technique though. You can also use a curve instead of gain. That also gives you a roll off. Subtractive saturation is also now implemented natively in resolve with the new color slice tool, and the film look creator.
@ja-kidnb6416
@ja-kidnb6416 Ай бұрын
The interesting part is, that I use a curve to bias how the luminance gets affected, the sky is the limit here. The gain then is just the to dial in an amount of said curve.
@gustavocanepa
@gustavocanepa 9 ай бұрын
Amazing tutorial Leon! What is your keyboard model?
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Gustavo. My keyboard is made by EditorsKeys. It's the Resolve model.
@sorenschwichtenberg7665
@sorenschwichtenberg7665 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! Remembers me to the Technicolor Nodetree by the German channel Farbkanal. Does this have issues in a color managed DWG or aces project? I got this to work in rec709 timelines only jet :/
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
It works fine in different colour spaces. As always though, remember the tool will respond slightly differently. A grade created in one colour space won't copy to another, but it's broadly capable of doing the same things in either colour space.
@nagemaakte
@nagemaakte 4 ай бұрын
Mononodes is a game changer, great tools which speed up the grades as well. It’s weird that Davinci hasn’t incorporated his tools yet.
@team2films
@team2films 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, mononodes and PixelTools have done awesome with these tools.
@rickfarber4243
@rickfarber4243 9 ай бұрын
Thanks very much for an interesting and informative tutorial. Do you think that DR will add this kind of functionality natively to a future update?
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
That's a great question. It's hard to say. Blackmagic are always innovating and adding new features to the Resolve but DCTLs will always have a place though.
@matrixate
@matrixate 8 ай бұрын
They did just add a feature a day ago that people were asking for. I have a feeling we're going to see something like this for Studio users. I prefer to learn the hard way because knowing how coloring works gives one better control for unforeseen problems. The images he's working with were properly shot with correct lighting and white balance. Working with terrible footage may be more challenging even with the DCTLs plugins he's promoting.
@laniakeasupercluster4606
@laniakeasupercluster4606 9 ай бұрын
I use colour density DCTL from mononodes.
@fabiangiraldomd
@fabiangiraldomd 9 ай бұрын
I use it too, I think the math involved is impressive, is very hard to break the image. the result is very nice colors especially with Hue Shift.
@ronlinehfx
@ronlinehfx 9 ай бұрын
Is that the Color Shift package?
@fabiangiraldomd
@fabiangiraldomd 9 ай бұрын
@@ronlinehfx yes.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Glad you are enjoying it. Stefan has done great work on those tools.
@soraaoixxthebluesky
@soraaoixxthebluesky 8 ай бұрын
I think for someone like me who personally don’t like film grain or halation when emulating a film look, sub sat is the best way I can make my modern digital video look filmic combine with proper contrast curve that never hit true black at the bottom and true white at the top of the curve. I personally will not 100% staying away from Sat vs Lum in HSL it’s sometimes can work as complimentary knob for HSV color space achieving that deep rich filmic look. You don’t want to over do it tho.
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thanks so much for watching and commenting.
@gillescharvet
@gillescharvet 8 ай бұрын
Very nice explanation, makes me NEED to try the demo tool in my underwater footage, where color is often a big mess :) and a ton of nodes to work with ... thanks Question: how is the response of the tool regarding Noise on the image ??
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
It's better than comparable methods (i.e. manually built qualifiers) as it's ranges flow nicely into each other.... but of course it depends on how bad your noise is. Yeah, underwater footage can be challenging, especially with the colour loss.
@gillescharvet
@gillescharvet 8 ай бұрын
@@team2films Challenging yes and I have a good setup, the main rule in underwater color grading is very much : don't go too far :):):) Personaly I don't use qualifiers underwater Any way, I tested a few clips, with 3 methods, classic color saturation/HSV Method/DCTL (demo), as I'm finishig a series of tutorials, and for sure one of my last items will be talking about color saturation substractive methods (deepness of colors without adding brignthness is a must, I wasn't aware of that. As far as I can see, HSV + combination of HSL in the finish line of the color grading process gives almost the same result in two nodes as with DCTL as I don't have to deal with skin tones, so a bit more complex not using DCTL ... I have to investigate more :) DCTL, is an amazing job well done, I'll have a word in the Tuto about the tool and the developper, and also your tuto because I won't paraphrase your's wich is cristal clear thanks for all
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
@@gillescharvet Thanks so much.
@marietafarfarova
@marietafarfarova 4 ай бұрын
Excellent tutorial, thank you! I have just one question - is it not easier to switch the node to HSV, turn off channels 1 & 3, and apply Gain/Gamma to the same node instead of creating the layer mixers?
@team2films
@team2films 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. Yes, you're correct. That's another great way of producing a similar effect. 👍
@rollonfood
@rollonfood Ай бұрын
is this the same way the new color slicer works in 19? i was trying it out last night and noticed the scopes were lowering when i increased the sat, which was confusing me. if so , do you still see a reason to set your nodes up this way or will the channel slicer work ?
@team2films
@team2films Ай бұрын
Yeah, the new color slice tool uses subtractive saturation. Check out our video covering it.
@sam-ti7jt
@sam-ti7jt 8 ай бұрын
great video!! curious if there are any subtractive saturation for adobe plug-ins
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Good question, I've not researched it. Sorry!
@dlaimer
@dlaimer 9 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the video. I have one question. How does the “hard way” 5:35 differ from switching the node to HSV color space and then manipulating the S channel, i.e., the Green wheel and/or curve? I ask because I learned this very same technique from Cullen Kelly’s TouTube channel and it does appear to yield better results than additive saturation. Thank you again and congratulations on your excelent videos.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Pleasure, thanks so much for watching and commenting. That's a great question! Please post a link to the @CullenKelly video. I'd love to take a look. He's a fantastic source of information on colour grading. It sounds like you a describing a method that still produces additive saturation but in a way that is more pleasing than the stock saturation tool in Resolve.
@dlaimer
@dlaimer 9 ай бұрын
@@team2films Thank you so much for answering my question! Here's the Cullen Kelly video I was referring to: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mKdxndx_rarUqaM.html I find the work you've been doing on your channel complements quite well what I learn from Cullen Kelly's videos, so I would love to hear back from you on this technique. Thank you again.
@dlaimer
@dlaimer 9 ай бұрын
@team2films It's actually the same technique as described by @D_Aliban in an earlier comment 🙃
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
​@@dlaimer Hello, thanks for your patience. We did some testing, and yes the single hSv method yields the same result as the complex node tree. Our apologies for not having included it in the video. If we ever make a follow up on subtractive saturation, we'll include that.
@corneliustitiu8739
@corneliustitiu8739 9 ай бұрын
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much Cornelius.
@willianaleman6114
@willianaleman6114 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the helpful insight on DCTL. Are the DCTL parameters mapped to the Blackmagic Mini Panel?
@team2films
@team2films 2 ай бұрын
Yes, they can be controlled with a mini panel
@willianaleman6114
@willianaleman6114 2 ай бұрын
@@team2films Thank you.
@xguilherme011x
@xguilherme011x 7 ай бұрын
Mononodes has a great density dctl
@team2films
@team2films 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, Stefan's tools are great too.
@OzoneVibe
@OzoneVibe 9 ай бұрын
Having watched your great tutorial, and played with it a bit, and looking a lot ... I'm now frustrated that I can't work out how to replicate this in Photoshop! 🤣
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Hahah! That's so funny! I'm sure there must be a way of doing it! For sure though there are times that I wish Lightroom or Photoshop worked more like Resolve. Would love to have tools like lift gamma and gain controls or Vs Curves in photoshop. Thanks for watching.
@harlanrumjahn9992
@harlanrumjahn9992 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for the high quality instruction on saturation! I have a question, however, on the comment that Resolve Does not use subtractive saturation. When I use the HDR color wheels to saturate by pushing the Sat slider to the right. The waveforms move in what appears to be the same manner they move when using the node setup "shenanigans" demonstrated in The Hard Way (or the one HSV node technique that others have already pointed out, which does the same thing). Am I missing something? It appears the HDR wheels saturation IS subtractive. Thanks again for the time and effort to put this tutorial together!
@team2films
@team2films 7 ай бұрын
Hello, sorry for the delayed reply. Wanted to take the time to test this. I can't seem to replicate subtractive saturation with the HDR wheels. Is there anything I should to replicate your setup. When I use the HDR Sat slider and view a Y waveform it's true there is an overall decrease in the luminance of the image. However when you use the parades, you'll see that it is increasing the intensity of individual channels. HDR Saturation has a roll off in the highlights and shadows which will cause it to give a slightly different result than the regular primaries saturation slider, however beyond that I still appears to be operating as additive saturation in my tests, albeit with a slight decrease in overall luminance as the saturation increases. Looking forward to hearing your feedback. Thanks so much for watching and for your kind comment. It's great to have you here.
@Der_4xel
@Der_4xel 8 ай бұрын
I am total new to DVR, got the Studio version though. I got one question: What is the difference between the native DCTL tool and the HUEShift tool? Sorry if this may appear a stupid question, as mentioned I am new to these kind of things. Thank you already.
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Great to have you here. The DCTL is for loading DCTLs. You can’t do anything with it unless you load a DCTL. HueShift is a DCTL that you can load with it. There are many DCTLs, some free, some that you need to pay for. Hope that helps
@c_m_h5858
@c_m_h5858 6 ай бұрын
What colour space are you using for your timeline on min 7:20? And have you already transform the log footage with a LUT? I cannot make it work on my project.
@team2films
@team2films 6 ай бұрын
Hello! We’re using RCM to normalise the image. The timeline working colour space is DaVinci Intermediate. If you’ve not seen it, please check out our color management video :)
@chrisward2713
@chrisward2713 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video. I copied your node tree a few times, but I'm having some issues. The first layer mixer does not cause the image to black when I set composite mode to Subtract. When I click the last color node between the two layer mixers, that is when I get a black image. Any idea what might be off?
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Hello Chris! So sorry you are having problems. Not sure what the issue might be from the description. Try following the instructions in Cullen Kelly's mixing light article. It's a fantastic resource.
@truemetsujin
@truemetsujin 9 ай бұрын
Is there a difference between the Pixeltools DCTL and the one from Mononodes ? I dont know which one came first, but they look like a perfect copy of each other. They are even using both emojis to label the sliders.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Hello, yes there are similarities for sure. From what I understand, they use different mathematical methods, so a different engine under the hood. Pixeltools DCTL combines a bunch of different functions into a single DCTL. I believe the same functions are spread across several DCTLs in mono nodes - for example density, hue shift and sub sat are in separate DCTLs. Jason and Stefan are both great colourists and make awesome tools.
@blertonsaraci
@blertonsaraci 8 ай бұрын
In case i use the middle method on my grade, on what position would you advice me to put it, in the beggining, middle or end of the tree node??
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Sub Sat is usually a secondary operation. So after your primaries.
@davidhrzenjak
@davidhrzenjak 3 ай бұрын
I always asumed saturation compensates for luminance, such that if you want to saturate your reds, the red color is added but a little bit of blue end green are subtracted to match the brightness. Wouldn't this be ideal.
@team2films
@team2films 3 ай бұрын
It sort of does. Play with the native saturation tool and see how it affects a parade. The result can still broadly be considered additive saturation though. Subtractive saturation doesn't maintain luminance, it actually decreases.
@sparkleglitch13
@sparkleglitch13 8 ай бұрын
Do you know how I could apply the subtractive saturation look to still images? Ideally using Lightroom CC on iPad?
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
No, Sorry, I'm not familiar with methods for doing that in Lightroom.
@cinema8564
@cinema8564 9 ай бұрын
Targeted adjustments, non-breaking, comprehensive scope of the tools: the way of the future?
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's pretty good. Great work from Jason and Kaur.
@AxelKozber
@AxelKozber 9 ай бұрын
Great video, I'm hoping you can answer a question I haven't seen answered in Cullen Kelly's video or this one: how do we implement this feature with higher compression footage? I shoot Sony cameras (FX3 and FX6) and while both cameras color holds up very well in grading, as soon as I try to implement these subtractive color tricks, the footage completely falls apart. Macroblocks appear every where, colors get ruined, skin tones, flickery pixels, etc. It seems to be an issue with compressed footage, and much less of an issue with high quality prores or RAW. I figure there must be a way to use this trick with sony footage or other h264 based footage without completely breaking the colors. Do you know anything?
@neilseiffer
@neilseiffer 9 ай бұрын
H 264 is a delivery codec, not for pro color grading or pro editing.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
@AxelKozber It's difficult to provide a solution without more information but here's some things to consider. Most cameras employe a compression technique called chroma sub sampling where higher levels of compression are applied to the colour information than to the luminance information. As subtractive saturation operates exclusively on the colours in the image, it's more likely to reveal colour compression artefacts. Your cameras are capable of recording to different flavours of XAVC. It might be helpful to check your manual to work out which ones preserves the most colour information in the final file. It is however perfectly possible to grade low bit depth - high colour compression files. Images cannot typically be pushed as hard though. Broader corrections are more likely to work rather than corrections with narrow qualifications to target a specific colour range, for example skin tones. There are 'tricks' to lessen these artefacts, like blurring qualifications, or qualifying based on luminance only... but at the end of the day, garbage in, garbage out (I mean that in the nicest possible way!) There are compromises that must be made. Thank-you both for watching. I hope the comments above were helpful. Great to have you here.
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
@neilseiffer5155 Thanks for the comment. Yes, h.264 is a super common delivery format... but the codec might be more capable for professional work that you might have realised. Please allow me to share some thoughts and forgive me if they are things you are already aware of: There are lot's of professional colour grading and editing workflows that extensively use h.264. Firstly because many prosumer grade cameras are used to supplement other cameras in production, but secondly because many professional cameras use h.264 compression. For example Sony's XAVC format (found in cameras like the FS7, FX9, etc) uses h.264 compression. In fact, XAVC is capable of recording 4:4:4. As a result h.264 is not just a delivery codec. It's extensively used as a capture codec in professional workflows. It's more accurate to say that H.264 is not typically used in high-end production. Thank-you both for watching and commenting. It's great to have you here.
@MrWarwickJones
@MrWarwickJones 8 ай бұрын
I've simply been using the green gain channel on an HSV node to emulate film density on the advice of a few professional colourists. Can you explain why that much simpler method is different from your four-node solution? As far as I can tell, increasing Saturation in the HSV color space only lowers luminance values on my waveform, and renders the deeper, richer colours you get with your method.
@MrWarwickJones
@MrWarwickJones 8 ай бұрын
@@team2films i did try both, and pushed them to an extreme. The waveform is identical for both methods 🤷‍♂️
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
@@MrWarwickJones Hmmm... I think I need to apologise here! I had tested both methods previously and yielded different results. However, I just tested it again and like you said it's yielding identical results. Perhaps I'd overlooked something in my first tests. Although the video doesn't specifically mention the hSv method, I'll add a pinned comment to the video suggesting the hSv method as an alternative to the complex method outlined in the video as that will give a better impression of different methods of producing sub sat. Thanks for watching and commenting and for your persistence in helping this method bubble to light! PS I removed my incorrect comment so I don't leave bad information here in the comments!
@Patrick-mg7vv
@Patrick-mg7vv 8 ай бұрын
What is the spherical colour model that Kaur mentions at the very end? The gen, zen, jen...couldn't catch it.
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Chen (I think!). Try message him on his channel if you want more details.
@Patrick-mg7vv
@Patrick-mg7vv 8 ай бұрын
@@team2films Thanks, yes he indeed confirmed it was called (Tieling) Chen👍
@jensgeumann7564
@jensgeumann7564 8 ай бұрын
Perhaps it will provide a little more clarity when considering the Cullen Kelly 1 hSv node solution, considering that he often balances the saturation on this node with gamma AND gain.
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
The hSV method is great. It's capable of producing the same result as the more complex node tree we created. Sorry we didn't include it in the video too!
@jensgeumann7564
@jensgeumann7564 8 ай бұрын
@@team2films No reason for an apology. I just wanted to respond to some comments that don't see the difference between your method and Cullen's method. Cullen then balances the saturation manually, while your node tree delivers a slightly better result out of the box.
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
@@jensgeumann7564 Ah thanks. That's kind of you! We did some more testing and it's possible to replicate the complex node trees results with the hSv method, but also at the same time there are some unique things you can do with either method too. We're horrified by the prospect of sharing incorrect information 🤣 So we always appreciate people pointing out errors and helping us to give a more rounded impression of a given topic.
@chrisreist
@chrisreist 6 ай бұрын
Where is the best position int the node structure to bring in hue-shift tool ? After the first CST or after the last?
@team2films
@team2films 6 ай бұрын
I'd usually put it where you normally put your secondary corrections.
@chrisreist
@chrisreist 6 ай бұрын
@@team2films okey cool, i try out also its works stronger or in a other way when use it after the CST
@JasonBowdach
@JasonBowdach 4 ай бұрын
@@team2films before your output to display space.
@arthurangenendt8959
@arthurangenendt8959 8 ай бұрын
you can do HSV subtraction with only 1 node.... change it to HSV color space, disable Chanel 1 and 3, use gain to saturate colors. done!
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Yes! Apologies that wasn't included in the video. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@SeanHuangRealEstate
@SeanHuangRealEstate 8 ай бұрын
Could you be mor specific where to disable Chanel 1 and 3?
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
@@SeanHuangRealEstatethere’s no need to disable the other channels. Just only manipulate the gain in the second channel using the primaries bars.
@arthurangenendt8959
@arthurangenendt8959 8 ай бұрын
@@SeanHuangRealEstate Yes of course!!! When you change the node to HSV color space, you can also right-click the node and select the option "Channels" right below... this will open a window with 3 channels already checked, being channel 1, 2 and 3 respectively for H, S and V. Then you can simply uncheck channels 1 (for Hue) and 3 (for value)... now you have only Saturation channel working. Simply control the amount of saturation with your "gain" wheel on log wheels. (Gain wheel gives the best results, I tried using other wheels and they also work but breaks the image considerably. (hope it helps my friend)
@SeanHuangRealEstate
@SeanHuangRealEstate 8 ай бұрын
@@arthurangenendt8959 Thank you very much for the detailed explanation! It looks like using this method we can change the overall subtractive saturation. If I want to change the saturation of a certain color, then I will need to use a qualifier and then repeat the above?
@TubeSilva
@TubeSilva 8 ай бұрын
Would you be kind to share a Power Grade version of method 2 with us?
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Non, sorry! We don't currently. Shouldn't be hard to build one yourself though. Follow the link to Cullen's article as well if you need more details.
@thomaswild-fotografnurnber3477
@thomaswild-fotografnurnber3477 8 ай бұрын
Resolve says "Unable to copy", when I try to install the demo. WIth option two: how can you grade two different colors? cheers Tom
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Hmm. PixelTools might be able to help with that. Re: the second question, you’d need to set up a second qualifier and a second sub sat node. You could mix them through a layer mixer.
@tripslip38
@tripslip38 8 ай бұрын
And it ends up looking like it was shot with a polarizer, which I think essentially cancels out reflected white light, achieving richer saturation. Is this fundamentally related? I'm grasping.
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
That's a good question. I think in this instance (using subtractive saturation to boost blue skies) it has had a similar effect to using a polariser (reducing stray light and deepening the colour of the sky). It's important to remember though that a polariser would have a different effect on an image captured with a digital sensor (additive colour) than it would with an image captured on film (subtractive saturation). There are lot's of other scenarios though where a polariser would not achieve the same result as subtractive saturation. @DarrenMostyn has a great video showing it on reds in an image.
@scottoller9319
@scottoller9319 5 ай бұрын
does anyone know if it’s possible to do the same sort of thing in photoshop? i’d love to use subtractive saturation in my photo editing, and im not quite ready to fully switch to a davinci workflow for photography.
@team2films
@team2films 4 ай бұрын
That's an excellent question. I'm not sure!
@tylerjanik2132
@tylerjanik2132 9 ай бұрын
Is your version any different then mononodes version besides that yours is cheaper. Just curious
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Firstly, not our DCTL! It's made by a gentleman called Jason Bowdach. I believe they use a different mathematical function for performing the subtractive saturation. One other difference is that Mononodes splits the same functions contained in HueShift across a couple of different DCTLs. Jason's HueShift combines several functions into one single DCTL. Stefan's tools (mononodes) are great too. If you get the chance to try both would love to hear what you think.
@arnoldsnodgrass2953
@arnoldsnodgrass2953 9 ай бұрын
Damn your videos are good (although the constant beeping over the interview with Jason was really distracting ☹️)
@team2films
@team2films 9 ай бұрын
Ah 🤣 apologies. Thought the music would add some suspense to the interview. Noted for the future. Jason says some absolutely golden things in there though.
@brightboxawesome2702
@brightboxawesome2702 8 ай бұрын
Which is better? Hueshift or Colorshift? 2 different DCTL's but they seem to do the same thing....
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
That's a good question. They use different maths, and the Mononodes plugin is split into different DCTLs. So there are differences in workflow and there will be differences in the results too. I guess it's like two different cars, they have similar functions on paper. You need to go test drive them to see the differences. Hope that helps.
@brightboxawesome2702
@brightboxawesome2702 8 ай бұрын
@@team2films makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
@brightboxawesome2702
@brightboxawesome2702 8 ай бұрын
thanks, is there a free trial for hueshift?@@team2films
@s70cas7ic0
@s70cas7ic0 8 ай бұрын
Is this applicable in photography
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Yes, it is applicable! But I'm not sure how you would replicate it in a program like Photoshop. Perhaps there are similar plugins available?
@sashimifr
@sashimifr 8 ай бұрын
Isn’t the issue the same in photography ? I wonder if lightroom supports substractive saturation or if there are workarounds / plugins for better film look emulation. (NOT shitty presets)
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Hello, Sorry, I'm not sure if there are tools for doing this in Lightroom. Thanks so much for walking.
@itshithu.
@itshithu. 8 ай бұрын
how can i do this in premiere pro?
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Hello! We’re not aware of how to do this in Premiere. Maybe someone makes a plug-in that does this?
@That_Cant_Be_Right
@That_Cant_Be_Right 8 ай бұрын
Hi guys. Did PixelTools offer a discount code?
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
It's currently $20 off. No further discount that we are aware of at the moment though. Sorry. But it's a great price for what you are getting.
@That_Cant_Be_Right
@That_Cant_Be_Right 8 ай бұрын
@@team2films No problem. The price is fair. I'm just used to seeing ~10% discount from sponsorships. Thanks for getting back to me, and great video. You managed to simplify some difficult concepts.
@dkkeyz8815
@dkkeyz8815 8 ай бұрын
This tool is kinda like using the printer lights?
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Ooo, that's a good question. There are some similarities, i.e. it allowing you to manipulate primary colours. But printer lights won't left you shift hue, change density or saturation. So very different in that regard.
@chelo111
@chelo111 8 ай бұрын
do you have a discount code????
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
No sorry, we don't have a discount code. But HueShift is currently already discounted at the moment.
@constantinosschinas4503
@constantinosschinas4503 8 ай бұрын
8:30 I don't understand what is the difference in just changing to HSV and increasing saturation (S), skipping all the other "doing/undoing" nodes.
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Hello, thanks so much for watching! Firstly, this video shows you how to do Subtractive saturation for free! The DCTL is presented as an option, but we wanted to give you a completely free option too! We're trying to inform our audience, not just push a given solution. Correction: You are correct! The hSv method does yield the same result! I did some further testing and I think I'd overlooked something in my initial test. My apologies for the misinformation and for not having included this method in the video.
@munyasya_ofc
@munyasya_ofc 8 ай бұрын
The vanilla saturation tool😂
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Hahah, I do love vanilla though!
@brown2840
@brown2840 8 ай бұрын
Is there not a demo? I just see buy option
@team2films
@team2films 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, there's definitely a demo available!
@brown2840
@brown2840 8 ай бұрын
@@team2films can you point me to it? I don't see any demo option on the website anywhere.
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