I will run a team for two sets and find hard counters the whole time. I switch to a complete different team, and suddenly new counters, that haven’t seen at all, suddenly come out of the wood work.
@Hubert-rh4hz6 ай бұрын
? I Play one Team (my own) and tweak now and then… I can tell you, there are sets or complete days where I see 2 Pokémon over and over again… but with the same Team, same ELO I face the next day complete other Pokémon… Has nothing to do if you switch your Team or not, happens everyone.
@drewwojciehowski92116 ай бұрын
@@Hubert-rh4hz I guess what I am saying is (as an example) I will run two sets and see medicham 9/10 games. I switch my teams to adjust to Medicham, and I don’t see a single medicham the next 10. (That same day) I am not saying I think there is algorithm, but is strange.
@jazandriz6 ай бұрын
this happens. not just chance. people argue that it's because you've leveled up on Elo and so people of that level are playing different pokemon. i find it hard to believe that given what you explained.. patterns of hard counters in the lead.
@dirtymike694206 ай бұрын
So ur saying that the algo randomly chose u to punish u and not ur opponent?
@Hubert-rh4hz6 ай бұрын
Should be easy to prove, right? Built a team 3x weak to Medicham or a other Pokémon which isn’t so common(but still a good one) and you should face it 90% or more. It will not happen. My team is weak to Pelipper and there are days where I see 4-5/ day and the next day I see 0 of them. It is what is, Pelipper is not a common pick but still a good Pokémon which player use.
@anthony78756 ай бұрын
Ive noticed If I go 5-0 I usually go around 1-4 or 0-5 for the following set. More often if I am 4-0 on a current set I will end up going 4-1(not allowing me the 5-0). The opposite is true, if I am 0-4 in a current set I will end up 1-4 at the end of the set. I've literally sat there with my girlfriend showed her my current set and called whether I would win/lose lead and swap based off of my current set
@garyroache5 ай бұрын
You’re not alone 😢
@jia20014 ай бұрын
Just don’t play POGO anymore I am sure there are much better and fun games out there then this sh*t game.
@dausgasol16173 ай бұрын
I think like you before I got 23-2 in one day, with 17 winning Strike.
@anthony78753 ай бұрын
@@jia2001 ai like POGO. It is definitely skill based, but it doesn't mean the game doesn't try to balance the battles
@BboyOmit6 ай бұрын
As someone who study’s plays and is quite competitive. There’s just no way I swap my team ten times and each one is built to beat my team. There is no way, not with how many option there are.
@jimmywu8886 ай бұрын
in open master league i kept running into lando leads (against my lando) but as soon as i put a kyogre in the lead they all disappeared hmmm
@alexelkins11386 ай бұрын
The algorithm is 100% real I can’t tell you how many times I’ll use a specific team and get the same 6 to 7 Pokémon I’m going up against and I’ll swap my team to counter it and then all of a sudden that team will get countered by brand new Pokémon that I haven’t gone up against all day
@adamlastrange6 ай бұрын
this is my experience too.
@mgljsp15226 ай бұрын
You are just unlucky
@Hubert-rh4hz6 ай бұрын
You played the wrong team. What you describe happens if you copy YT teams to late or in the wrong ELO. If you climb or fall the meta shifts (Opponents with hardcounter to your team Climb to a point where other player Start to hardcounter there teams too… this is called team building) If you built your own teams you will not have your problems, cause you see your meta, understand where your problem is and try to fix that by changing Pokemon. Your problem is made from KZfaq. Most players nowadays watch content creators and copy teams (everything is fine with that) this leads into less variety and that a team which worked well on Monday didn’t work on Wednesday
@charlottesphie70376 ай бұрын
So what? People get to legend but you dont. Keep giving excuse dude.
@alexelkins11386 ай бұрын
@@charlottesphie7037 I’ve gotten to legend plenty of times but still easily acknowledging there’s an algorithm and not is just showing how dumb people can be. Especially thing that accompany like Niantic wanted to do such a thing 🤣🤣
@jeffreyshoemaker74036 ай бұрын
My personal experience is this. I watch great content creators like Zyonik daily and I use pvpoke regularly to team build both meta teams and anti meta teams. So I do count moves and pull off some decisive catches and tough wins from good energy management. However, in circumstances where I’m hovering around the same ELO…When I run a certain team I built, I see a lot of the same counters. And I will usually stick with a decently performing team for 3-4 sets, sometimes more if it’s a team that worked well from the previous days’ sets. Then I switch up the team to account for the most common counters I’m frequently facing that day and losing to more than winning. As soon as I switch up the team to another team that has historically performed well for me to counter those opponents, suddenly I stop seeing those counters to my first team almost entirely. Additionally, I’ll see new counters to my new team that were non-existent for the first team’s sets. It would be different if I were not floating within the same ELO range. But, my logical conclusion is that there has to be an algorithm. Nothing against anyone who disagrees. I’ve just seen that pattern enough times that I can’t conclude otherwise.
@alejandroxan6 ай бұрын
I 100% agree with you. For example, if you're leading with Toxicroack and keep running into Gligar leads, the moment you change your team and lead with A-Sandlash, then you won't see any more Gligar leads and start running into Medicham, Machamp, and Talonflame leads.
@jeffreyshoemaker74036 ай бұрын
@@alejandroxan A recent example being I stopped using A-nine since skarmory got the steel wing buff, and upon realizing I hadn’t seen a skarmory in days, tried bringing back an A-nine lead. Immediately met with a skarmory lead.
@terdfergeson236 ай бұрын
But that means that sometimes the game purposefully pairs YOU with opponents who are hard countered by your Pokémon… I don’t see this happening in my experience
@O9Ku5h4206 ай бұрын
Jah feels
@jeffreyshoemaker74036 ай бұрын
Guys…I kid you not…I haven’t seen Abomasnow in four entire sets. Decided to mix it up by switching to an old favorite (Jumpluff) lead that I haven’t used probably all this season, immediately met with the Abomasnow lead. I know The mathematical odds even with the recent Abomasnow features doesn’t add up when you factor in the team change with the lack of it’s presence prior to the team change. The algorithm exists in some capacity.
@Goku_kakarot696 ай бұрын
Sometimes skills aren't enough to win when the opponent has something that just hard walls your backline
@Hubert-rh4hz6 ай бұрын
That’s right, you really can’t win all fights. But why we discus that?
@JPZoober6 ай бұрын
sometimes, exactly. but not 50% of the time
@David110i6 ай бұрын
There are some battles that are impossible to win, but it doesn’t happen all the time. Sometimes you hard wall your opponent as well. Skills make the difference between getting a 4-1 or a 3-2 which is crucial to climb. Also, If you can’t get any positive set maybe your team is not balanced.
@JPZoober6 ай бұрын
@@nguyencuong4520 🤡
@herored54845 ай бұрын
@@David110iidk the 4-1’s I pull take timing, catches, overcoming terrible leads and swaps…. But the 0-5 and 1-4 immediately after, my opponents wins with 3 Pokemon still standing or two with a shield. I’ve documented the last two months, lead loss roughly 84%, switch loss 76% and win rate roughly 50%….. that’s too consistent to be random (2 months of data)
@franko66776 ай бұрын
There is a matchmaking algorithm and it’s astounding to me that anyone would still try to say there’s not.
@bossdoss60276 ай бұрын
That’s true. It’s and people blame is for their loses but never credit it for their wins
@Hoffman7456 ай бұрын
Nobody is saying they dont want a matchmaking algorithm. Theyre saying they dont want the algorithm to take their team comp into amount. Just mmr. If im winning too much, send me up against someone with higher mmr until I start losing. What happens instead is you get matched up against hard lead loss/core breakers.
@joonty6 ай бұрын
@@Hoffman745 there's literally no evidence that the matchmaking algorithm does that. Niantic have confirmed that it doesn't, so this is why believers in a nefarious algorithm come across as conspiracy theorists. The biggest question to ask yourself is... why? What possible purpose would it serve Niantic to try and force people to a 50% win rate? The Elo system trends towards that by design anyway, so there's no need for them to try and manipulate it further.
@dontmindme41976 ай бұрын
@@joontysame reason they make every other team decision in the game and it’s to keep you playing
@gabrielcomeau35186 ай бұрын
@@joontythere is a 50% win rate but you can make it higher by having better pokemons. win rates are around 40-60%
@lordfredplus6 ай бұрын
Overcoming the algorithm (hard counters) doesn't dispute the algorithm's existence
@Catrambi6 ай бұрын
"Hard counters" is not an algorithm.
@Hubert-rh4hz6 ай бұрын
What is a hardcounter for you? At first you have to define that… at the end there are not so many „hardcounter“ in this game. Would you say a.charizard is hardcountered by Lanturn? For me it’s not, cause with a bit energy lead you can overcome(or force the Lanturn to use energy), you can built a team around a.charizard where energy on Lanturn is not so useful etc. Anyway there is no algo which hardcounters you. But every A BB team has a few nemesis… and if your opponent read you right you will loose.
@Catrambi6 ай бұрын
@@Hubert-rh4hz Tbf, you can't possibly spin Lanturn as anything other than a hard counter to Charizard.
@Hubert-rh4hz6 ай бұрын
Hmm how is it possible that my team is built around a s.Charizard which lure out every Lanturn 1. win swap from time to time,, shield advantage and all that from 2300-3000ELO? Hardcounter to s.charizard is Wallface or Carbink, but not Lanturn. I tell you why it’s not a hardcounter. 1. every Lanturn gets greedy for farmdown… 1 fastmove to late swap in you have to shield your Lanturn or use your energy (I did this this season 100times +. 2. I want that Lanturn up against my s .charizard, that’s how ABB works… lure out Pokémon(get shield advantage) farmdown with A(absorb energy) sweep with the other B. So many „hardcounter“ match ups changes with shieldadvantage, energy lead into neutral or good match ups for you. Even debuffs changes bad match ups into good ones… this could not happen if we talk about a real hardcounter.
@Catrambi6 ай бұрын
@@Hubert-rh4hz Zero chance of winning swap.
@Viperveteran6 ай бұрын
I have noticed that whenever I am on a win streak the next set will suddenly have a delay in finding matches and then I will face hard counters and core breakers in all the following matches. It definitely seems like the 50% win rate theory is a thing.
@TheJohnGalt19454 ай бұрын
1) The algorithm absolutely exists. I saw 0 Obstagoons in my last 10 sets. I decided to throw in a Cresselia lead, and boom first match there was an Obstagoon lead. 2) Telling people to do the best with what they’re given in this circumstance is like telling a poor person to get a job. I don’t want to steamroll people, I just want a truly random match making system.
@XSETMando6 ай бұрын
I agree with PokèAK that the algorithm does exist.
@flame8386 ай бұрын
Maybe PokeAK could hit legend if he focused on improving his gameplay rather than believing some conspiracy is out to get him
@Danny_Deleto6 ай бұрын
@@flame838 He has hit legend. Many times in fact. You can beat the algorithm, but that doesn't make it fun. He's just tired of fighting the algorithm.
@mikebing12306 ай бұрын
@@flame838lol you can’t beat 50% algo….
@Sachindeo936 ай бұрын
@@flame838not all of us play for legend
@gamemaster18546 ай бұрын
@@mikebing1230I hit legend with 60% winrate this season. Seems like a you peoblem
@BBuckB6 ай бұрын
The problem is, in my experience, that when I notice a pattern from the opponents and build a team to counter that pattern, suddenly the pattern shifts to counter the one I've built. So the teams I was seeing the opponents use doesn't show up anymore and now it's a different pattern that the old team would work well against. That happens and it's undeniable. I agree that the skillset can overcome some of these situations but you can't ignore that it happens, and to most ppl it is so frustrating that they give up. I give up trying new teams or being creative with team comp because it's always the same, you change the team and magically the opposing teams change to adequate to your strategy.
@alejandroxan6 ай бұрын
Yes!! 100% agree with you man
@danieliusblackius11306 ай бұрын
This happens to me as well. To the tune of often seeing Pokemon up against my newly selected team that I have seen NO ONE run in the whole Cup currently available. And those new, weird picks just counter the crap out of my new team.
@Harry7776 ай бұрын
14:19 Don't you think that's a problem??? Why do we STILL not have an unranked mode where we can do whatever we want? I'm not playing because I want to hit legend. I want to have fun!!
@ZyoniK6 ай бұрын
Yeah I have been asking Niantic for years to give us this game feature.
@Lucky69K6 ай бұрын
Hmm interesting tho
@dragunlundberg95826 ай бұрын
Same I wish we had this
@iercan066 ай бұрын
Because that requires more PvP servers, which means Niantic would need to spend more money. We all know how greedy Niantic is, right? Don't expect too much from them.
@maganhassan26276 ай бұрын
I think Michael staranaka the director of pokemon go confirmed why there's no unranked pvp mode because of queue times if I remember correctly
@UncleInstinct916 ай бұрын
I think it's time to share my view on this: It's without a doubt that GO Battle League has an algorithm. That's not to say because I've lost a set and gone "OH NO, I LOST, ALGORITHM!!" I'm saying it on a standpoint that every online game that's existed in history, have matchmaking algorithms to pair with players based around skill level, location, availability etc. Pokemon GO is no different to that. But what I don't like is the blind three format. The game is that bad into implenting this format, that we have to be forced to approach learning new strategies based around something which is heavily guesswork and almost out of our control, and it shouldn't have to be any harder than it needs to be. Show six, pick three would be WAY better in my opinion. Players would have a much better time in knowing what they're up against, managing team comps and preparing game plans based on what's seen when selecting party members. Another big problem I have with GO Battle League is there is no unranked mode where people can go into battles, test out new teams and strategies and not get penalised for trial and error. In this case, you have to hope that you can find players to practice with in order to learn the ins and outs of how your team works without the thought of being punished heavily for making mistakes. I think a lot of the frustration comes from when trying to master a team, or specific pokemon you are learning how to use, and the game's training mode hardly does enough to teach you the basics as it is without any sort of outside assistance from other battlers. There also needs to be a feature, or a more advanced level practice mode in the game which allows players to take their skills to the next level, and teach them how to manage energy, optimise move timing, catching moves, learning matchups - ESPECIALLY bad leads or counter swaps. Maybe then, players will be able to understand the mechanics more in-depth and improve their current skill set to climb. That's my view on the whole ordeal. Oh, (not related to Algo talk, but it's in my head) but the overuse of buff/debuff moves is really pissing me off. I hope they work on this next season and have a more varied meta than the same dense 8 or 10 pokemon all the time in GL/UL.
@danieljonas29656 ай бұрын
This is the best view I’ve seen on this
@fleafinder29726 ай бұрын
I like this on paper, but show 6 heavily benefits people who have better pokemon. I’d rather have a system where you match the select your team of three blind
@realestatetim6 ай бұрын
The reason they don’t do 6 pick 3 is because of queue times. The longer each game is, the less available players and slower queue time making it a bad user experience
@JPZoober6 ай бұрын
"without a doubt" but my only evidence is my own opinion... what you just described is how the elo rating system works, not an algorithm that forces you to remain at a 50% win rate. Many other games have an elo rating system. its fair to not like the blind 3 format but you cant place your mistakes on an imaginary line of code that forces you to lose... by saying this you are also saying that others are being forced to win. it just doesn't make any sense. this video was the nicest way someone could put "get good" into full sentences
@kaylynbauer22526 ай бұрын
The fact that players have to rely on content creators for advanced pvp skills and not been given some tutorials from the game/niantic directly speaks volumes. I vaguely recall them doing something on basics a long time ago but thats it.
@texasfloodthe93706 ай бұрын
Your main point seems to be that the algorithm doesn't exist because you can use skills to overcome bad leads and hard counter swaps. Overcoming hard counters doesn't disprove the algorithm. I honestly don't understand why people think it's so controversial to believe that the way you are paired in go battle league isn't 100% random. Yes, you get paired with other trainers around your elo, but also get paired based on the types of pokemon/moves you are running.
@bigml_official6 ай бұрын
Because there is no reason for it to be teambased matchmaking, it accomplishes nothing for Niantic. Also sniping people is a thing, no matter what team you bring it always worked which pretty much disproves teambased matchmaking.
@texasfloodthe93706 ай бұрын
@@bigml_official it makes sense if they want people to stay engaged in the game. The only reason I still play is because of pvp. And I'm sure there are many others like me. The "algorithm" in theory doesn't always screw you over. It allegedly places you in positive matches as well.
@bigml_official6 ай бұрын
@@texasfloodthe9370 do you realize that a skill based matchmaking which pairs based on rating does exactly the same? There is no need for it to consider the team.
@texasfloodthe93706 ай бұрын
@bigml_official sure it does. But I also notice the more I win the more I end up getting hard countered. Has nothing to do with skill. Again, I'm not complaining, or saying that niantic is deliberately screwing me over. And I'm not saying definitively that there is an algorithm. All I'm saying is it's not that farfetched and it doesn't seem conspiratorial to think it exists.
@je19476 ай бұрын
@bigml_official call of duty already does this with skill based matchmaking and they tried to keep it secret as long as they could so that theory is dead. They obviously have their reasons
@danowen34956 ай бұрын
There's obviously an algorithm in any PVP, but thinking that niantic is perfectly matching you against counters to your team is ridiculous. I used to always peak at rank 20/Ace until a few seasons ago when I really started focusing on improving my skills and learning more advanced mechanics. Now I hit at least expert every season and have hit legend twice, I still get hard countered but when you understand more advanced mechanics you can overcome a lot of bad matches.
@ZyoniK6 ай бұрын
Yup. Congrats on your climb!
@jikle44516 ай бұрын
This has literally been my same exact experience.
@osaka_phong6 ай бұрын
Being able to deal with the algorithm does not disprove the algorithm.
@bigpapisosa70976 ай бұрын
@@osaka_phong👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 exactly. Why is this a hard concept for people to grasp? The algorithm is real, AND it's possible for anyone to hit legend. Both statements are true.
@tobiasgoris43006 ай бұрын
@@osaka_phong that's true. Knowledge of psychology and statistics does though ;)
@ShadowEnigmaTV6 ай бұрын
Simple fix to not encounter legends at say 2200-2500 is that you should only be able to drop 1 rank, or better yet only allow to drop 200 points. This will stop legends from essentially gate keeping at 2200-2700 range.
@Hubert-rh4hz6 ай бұрын
Why you think that a legendplayer is more gatekeeping as a Expert which only reached 2900elo or a veteran player which hit last 5 seasons legend? And finally, you don’t know in which league other hit legend. Many reach legend in ML, but in GL they are not as good and only on the 2600-2700 range. I know a lot which hit every season legend with ML and lvl50 legendary… but if they fight against me in GL and UL they loose many times (and I mostly hit expert and only a few times Legend)
@GrannySingaporePVP6 ай бұрын
I assure you that if you ever find me in the 2200-2500 ELO range after I’ve already hit legend it’s because I’m using some absolutely absurd/off-the-wall mons that have no business being in gbl. So you’d much rather see me at that ELO than someone who’s doing their best to climb 🤙🏼
@Hubert-rh4hz6 ай бұрын
I believe you, but not every player has the same skill and roster for every league. I hit legend in GL and/or UL… but i m really bad in ML … so if I play ML (cause I want dust) I will fall down to 2500 (something like that), and the reason is I don’t know the counts, my roster is extremely limited (I play lvl45 mons) I have not much experience and I do something else at the same time and not being 100% focused on GBL. I’m with you, I hate that tank down behaviour too. But I can understand that, cause the waiting queue is so bad in high ELO and you have 1 ELO for all leagues (and some bonuses like 4x dust is only up at ML)
@dmc79116 ай бұрын
As obnoxious as the game can be at times where I feel truly cheated, I tend to agree that the algorithm is simply matching you against players in the same ELO range. I would love to see a simple video going through the types that core together well, you mentioned flying and water being a good example in the video. Knowing these off the top of my head would help a lot with team reading and maybe get me to the next level. Truth is, I’ve always done best in the limited metas where it is easy to memorize move sets, move counts, who wins CMP, typical teams, etc.
@ShadowEnigmaTV6 ай бұрын
@Hubert-rh4hz I have seen sweaty legends at 2200 when I joined the season very late and I have hit legend a few times and felt I really had to try at 2200 like I usually would at 2700+. If I ever hit legend I just run spice to give others a chance to climb and still get stardust for partaking. What is the point in worrying about wins or elo when you already achieved legend? In my opinion it's being a dick gate keeping preventing others to climb and possibly hitting legend for the first time and this is what drives new PVP players away
@Topkeksnek6 ай бұрын
I used to think there was an algorithm designed to counter you. Then I realized I was just bad.
@je19476 ай бұрын
You're probably worse now because I got better when I acknowledged there's an algorithm. Allows me to predict moves
@derppogopvp74306 ай бұрын
Yeah this is pretty much it, if you talk to the highest skill battlers in the world most of them will tend to agree that there is no algorithm which pairs you based on the pokemon on your team. It's the nature of blind 6 that about half of your leads will be good, half will be bad.
@mrkarppvpdeepdive43476 ай бұрын
To me, what most people don't realise is that one can almost never ever go too far ahead of the 50% win rate as long as it is a blind,, a team of 3 format. But you can drop as low as 20 or 10% win rate if you are just bad at the game. If there is any algo, it is the algorithm of blind, team of 3 format itself. Otherwise I need some convincing to believe that a company that regularly forgets to turn on features, release pokemon by errors and even forget their own event schedule can be so sophisticated with a live algo that influence every player's elo rank.
@Sachindeo936 ай бұрын
Sophisticated? All it takes is to write a piece of code. It isn’t that hard. Also, you don’t have to modify it that often. They must have did it once and left it there.
@emanuelfer4566 ай бұрын
Most of those "forget" to turn on feature are on purpose but they change or apologize when people notice. The algorithm exists in every aspect of the game. Shiny rate, catch rate, probability of rare spawn on incense is influenced by how active you are and how good you are to balance the difficulty and orangee. Most games do that nowadays, even Resident Evil 4 does it.
@shivankaggarwal7116 ай бұрын
I don't believe in algorithm but this stupid notion that Niantic is incompetent needs to retire. Every online gaming company hires top data scientists and that is how they manage to earn 500 mil or above year after year. The job of these data scientists is to literally find out how Niantic can earn more money from each player belonging to different play style group. So it's natural they rig some things in order to convert them to a paying customer or in many cases earn a higher revenue from already paying customer. There are always some behind the scene rigs that these companies do.
@franko66776 ай бұрын
I’ve heard that Niantic outsources GBL, I want to say to a Japanese company? I don’t know how true that is but I say it to note that it’s possible Niantic’s incompetence wouldn’t even factor in if it’s outsourced. Also, Niantic is perfectly competent when they need/want to be.
@alejandroxan6 ай бұрын
The algorithm exists, and you can still hit legend while it is existing. If you jump into a raid, the pokemon on your team are randomly picked by typing and by MOVESETS. If the raid mon is Ho-Oh, you most likely will get Tyranitar with Smackdown automatically on your team. This same principle is applied during PvP. Those who do not believe this matchmaking concept exists are in denial.
@johnmack33076 ай бұрын
Thankyou
@Betongijzer6 ай бұрын
sorry to say this but if you believe that niantic wants you to lose you might have skill issues. you win some you lose some but if you keep playing you get better its a learningcurve but some people dont understand that. just look in the mirror for a second and think what went wrong in your battles
@yggefry20786 ай бұрын
I get to legend rank every season and there's definitely an algorithm. It works against you and for you, it's not just against you. Where you see it typically is when you switch up your team you will immediately get hard countered for the first few battles. Example: I have over 5000 battle in GBL ML and have never seen Empoleon on any team. I decided to change my lead to Togekiss and immediately faced 3 Empoleons in a row. Never seen them again outside those 3 battles. It happens time and time again this is just the most extreme example I have that is 99.9% undeniable proof imo. Also happens when you have a really good win rate to start the season or just go on a 5-0 or 4-1 set even. I got hard countered every game of every set for 25 consecutive sets (so 5 days) and dropped from 2800 ELO to 2200's. Game will try to get you closer to 50% no matter what you do. You can be the best in the world and not have over 60% win rate in GBL.
@EnoughRhetoric2 ай бұрын
The algorithm will absolutely keep you at 50% if you live and die by matchups. I get that to beat my high of around 2350 I would need to learn all of the pointers in this video. Move counting being the biggest. Energy management likely next. I also accept that I will never have the time for that in my life. But there is a workaround for the team composition and strategy points. Zyonik’s videos. Thank you 🙏.
@Blazinhahn6 ай бұрын
I’m one positive set away from veteran I’m at 2484.. I was cooking in the little cup and last 2 sets got absolutely walled in my matchups! There was honestly nothing I could do to overcome it. Hopefully I can reach it tomorrow!
@WilderKing6 ай бұрын
May the Algo be in your favor
@edwinpeters87616 ай бұрын
Happens every time above 2400, then you get hard walled back to 2250 and it starts again.
@Blazinhahn6 ай бұрын
@@edwinpeters8761yep, that’s funny cause it’s happened to me the last 2-3 times I’ve reached this ELO. So I expect nothing but hard counters tomorrow 🤣
@Hubert-rh4hz6 ай бұрын
If this happens every time at 2500 late season, how is it possible that player hits ~3500? It’s a combination out of your personal skill and how well your team can deal with different teams(many player copy teams, play them to late or in the wrong way) If you play a cup like catch cup(where you don’t know the meta cause many player don’t have the best one catched/built the last 2 month) it is higher RNG and mostly a different meta (based around event Pokémon out of the last 11weeks)
@donpedro716 ай бұрын
But before that maybe you were matched up against someone else who needed a "wall". It's going to even out *if* that algorithm works that way. (I don't think it does)
@dcarvalho61446 ай бұрын
It's pretty much guaranteed that it does exist. I'm not buying that it's just random chance that tons of people get hard countered in multiple matches, and once they change the team, they then get hard countered as well. But there's more. I know atleast one player, who doesn't even know type effectiveness, that has a win streak record of 20 wins. This is quite above average, even for a good player, so I never understood how he got it. But recently, I watched a Mystic7 video, where he did some rank 10 battles, and who would've thought, he gets in 4 out of 5 battles, players with throw away teams (low CP pokemon) and the 5th battler had underpowered pokemon for that league (Ultra). Then I realised that's probably how that player I know, has that 20 win streak, they get paired with those kinds of teams constantly. Before people say "that's because he was rank 10 a long time after the season started". I have accounts that were at the time somewhere between rank 7 and 12, and was still facing proper teams, regardless of league. Heck, in rank 10, I was finding lvl 50 legendaries in ML, including Zygarde, Solgaleo, Shadow Mewtwo and more.
@Rebel72846 ай бұрын
Niantic does want you to stay pretty close to 50/50 to stay challenged and the best and easiest way to program that IS just a regular ELO based system..... there is NO reason to add tons of code to shift the natural outcomes of ELO by a few percentage points. As a developer, I find any sort of algorithm that takes pokemon into consideration absolutely unfeasible when ELO accomplishes this already.
@abhyudaya126 ай бұрын
Having Elo base algo is okay.. But POGO does have a type based algo too..
@mrslayr5 ай бұрын
Yeah but nearly everyone having 50% win ration at every rank is super odd
@budjettivaje83384 ай бұрын
@@mrslayrWhy? Isn't it reasonable to excpect a 50% winrate when you constantly face people who are at an even skill level?
@mrslayr4 ай бұрын
@budjettivaje8338 sure. But it being 50% at pretty the entire season is odd. Legends players being at 50% even when ranking up initially is crazy
@budjettivaje83384 ай бұрын
@@mrslayr So you're saying It's reasonable but also odd. Why? What should their winrate be, then?
@jackxsaunders6 ай бұрын
I think there are two types of players: casual and serious. Having a ranked league and a casuals league would be very beneficial rather than lumping everyone in. I personally like to play casually and chill and when I get to around 2400 it gets more serious and therefore less fun for how I want to play.
@Lucky69K6 ай бұрын
6:56 yep i was too stuck at ace till few days ago I've hit vet finally tbh i can hit expert
@ZyoniK6 ай бұрын
you can totally do it, just keep working on areas in the game you know that you struggle with. If you don't know, record some battles then watch them after and think about where you could have improved!
@cristianchavarria53596 ай бұрын
The algorithm is real, I stopped worrying about getting more than 50% and now give up a set of 5 matches in order to win 4 in a row the next set and get the rare candies
@huyiii24355 ай бұрын
Theres some sort of system in place just like how in raid battles, it auto picks your team depending on the raid boss moveset
@bensmith91645 ай бұрын
I used to think oh well they want everyone to stay around 50% win rate...then i went 4-1 4-1 with the exact same team, and then the next 3 sets, 0-5, 1-4, 1-4. So next day, same team, 1-4 first set. So i changed my team and went 1-4 again. Went back to original team and went 2-3. Changed the order of the team since I was seeing if i could get a different lead I could win, immediately got hard counters again. It is super incredibly frustrating.
@derrickstacy43806 ай бұрын
I reached veteran last season, but I believe 100% in an algorithm. I would do tests to prove it. I would lead Alolan marowak and quagsire appears, I safe swap lickitung and scrafty. I decide to go full Meta and get hard countered every which way. I choose anti meta and get hard countered by uncommon mons.
@juanjo67776 ай бұрын
I started at around 2300 this season, climbed to legend, tanked on purpose to 2100 an then climbed back to reach 3500. There´s not such thing as an algorithm forcing you to find your hardcounters everytime. As Zyonik explained in the video there are many ways to avoid insta losing against a bad lead or team comp in general, there may be cases where it´s impossible, but around 80% of the time games have win conditions. Just learn and play better.
@acecoop5 ай бұрын
Or try not to purposely tank to avoid hard counters.
@juanjo67775 ай бұрын
@@acecoop You can get hardcountered in every ELO range, I don't get your point.
@skatarin16906 ай бұрын
having a 50% winrate algorithm is standard for many pvp games, whats so strange about pogo having it?
@je19476 ай бұрын
Yup Pogo would be the exception in the world of games
@mrslayr5 ай бұрын
Games do not have a forced 50% win ratio. I think you are just bad at those games
@skatarin16905 ай бұрын
@@mrslayr try googling a little , if you know how to
@MontesDawg5 ай бұрын
Thanks Zyonik, fellow Dad that Pvp's! My two cents here. I've hit Veteran every season, Expert (twice) and Legend (once). Legend rank happened during Summer Cup. Love that Bea pose. I'm not an elite battler by any means, but I've done thousands of battles and tracked the data with a good enough sample size to see some trends. What I've seen is that you get matched by ELO and on some general level, typing. I'd start to see insanely different team comps and/or movesets once I'd switched up teams. I'd only see those opponent team comps when running specific teams so there was a correlation. Try running an all fairy team for a few sets and will you start to see some opponent team comps you will never see again, I guarantee you! lol Especially at the higher ELO. In the end, you still need skills, as noted in the video, but there are some typing matchups going on. To what extent they "keep you near 50%" is hard to say or qualify, but there is something happening.
@GurtejSinghGuitar6 ай бұрын
At this point, GBL is more luck based than skill based I feel. And ofcourse there is something fishy going on when you build a team after seeing more of one Pokemon, anf suddenly that Pokemon completely disappears.
@marcusbordage17416 ай бұрын
Hit Veteran for the second season in a row after previously peaking at 2100. This video gave me the motivation to do it. Thanks Zyonik!
@SpiffingOSRS6 ай бұрын
My biggest issue is that I’ll use a team that sees a consistent hard counter lead for two or three sets (not every game, but consistent). Getting sick of that match up I’ll make a change and then you’ll see Pokémon you didn’t encounter much at all before and most definitely no longer the lead you just changed your team to help with. There’s definitely something in that. I have no problem not having easy match ups, obviously in a blind format you will be hard countered at times, but when you make changes based on what you’ve been seeing consistently and then you never see it again and something completely different it makes no sense. I didn’t know there was even a debate about the ELO matching? I’m pretty sure it’s obvious you’re matched with people around your ELO rather than their rank. I have no problem facing a legend at 2600 ELO though.
@dannyboi89006 ай бұрын
Thank you for addressing this in a civil manner. I do believe a matchmaking algorithm exists and that players are not matched up solely based on their elo or win rates
@brianwenzel9126 ай бұрын
There is absolutely an algorithm and anyone who denies it are willfully ignorant
@Sudharshan-dp8pd6 ай бұрын
I've stuck in ace because i still use sunflora crawduant and solrock
@dontmindme41976 ай бұрын
Well stop doing that lol
@dirtymike694206 ай бұрын
zyonik spitting facts
@XSETMando6 ай бұрын
I respect your opinion.
@dolphin19756 ай бұрын
If you have a flying type you encounter stunkfish If you hv charm, you encounter poison Naintic should know what you are using since everything is code by them.
@Sarg3e6 ай бұрын
There definitely is an algorithm but I do believe it can be overcome. It’s so frustrating though because I still haven’t even hit veteran and I’ve been grinding nearly 3 years. The most frustrating thing is just the grind it takes to get the relevant mons for all leagues not to mention the pay wall that is legendary raids. Great, Ultra, and Master should always be options to play and just add cups periodically to the list. I hate that the last 2 cycles of this season have been absolutely trash metas. Completely ruined my climb, I was 25 off Vet and now I’m back down to 2230. Hate that I should have just quit playing because I love doing my sets daily.
@allanojeda46296 ай бұрын
But it does exists
@brianwenzel9126 ай бұрын
Fyi, if you need to rank up, battle in the catch cup. Also the biggest difference is practicing optimal move timing, it makes a ton of difference
@eggracer16 ай бұрын
Zyoniks skills is undeniable but i believe there is an algorithm. Zyonik is right about knowing your knowledge tho. Truly a good battler.
@laurenciocara6 ай бұрын
Z, I hear you and I think you're right. And I recognize that I miss a lot of skills, mainly keeping count of fast moves and the charged fast move timing, but man it is so frustrating when all of the sudden you begin to be hard countered all the time.
@willie333b6 ай бұрын
Algorithm definitely exists for a game to work lol
@herored54845 ай бұрын
There’s definitely no algorithm, the fact I never saw one umbreon for two season, and saw four in the one set I played double ghost is COMPLETELY RANDOM, the fact that I can accurately call out my abb hard counte (that will be in the back 80% of the time) is again completely random! “RANDOM: triple hard counters 20/25 matches, 6 days a week, keeping my win % around 50%, for the last six seasons”
@FLASHAHOLIC_TV6 ай бұрын
An algorithm definitely exists, I usually use Swampert as an opener in Master League a lot and always come up against Dragonite, as soon as I switch and use Mamoswine instead to open, the opponent always has Kyogre or Melmetal as their opener. If I build a team that fully counters Kyogre, then Kyogre never appears.
@wiktoriarork61626 ай бұрын
Oh, 7! Was always lazy to count Bastiodon's fast moves 😁 thanks. I agree with you. I saw enough videos of spice battles 😁 to tell that you can break any algorithm by planning and skills.
@RyanRist21236 ай бұрын
Whether it’s an “algorithm” or not, it’s pretty damn weird in 3 sets (15 battles) every opponent I faced had a bronzor. As soon as I powered up and doubled moved a cacturne with sucker punch I didn’t see a single bronzor in the remaining 2 sets. Maybe just an odd coincidence 🤷♂️
@theoccidilian48966 ай бұрын
I’ve lost 15 leads in a row! That is not random. Doesn’t matter if I alter my lead, the algorithm adjusts. Many 10-in-a-row lead losses. This always happens after a few winning streaks. Same great team, but unlevel field.
@BigBrotherMateyka6 ай бұрын
I'm with you 100%; there is an elo system, and outside of that, success in climbing depends on countering 'hot' team comps and versatility in being able to flip matchups. Like Zy said, there is no evil predeterminate 'algorithm' that keeps players down. And at the end of the season, you'll end up hovering around 52%-60%. That's the way it is folks, whether you like it or not. Somewhat of an anecdotal case was my success this season in reaching Legend (3138 max) running primarily Skeledirge, Cradily, and Guzzlord.
@1DarthBaiter6 ай бұрын
You're the most down-2-earth content creator! 😎👍 u always have great videos and commentary!
@shnaxxxyoutube9726 ай бұрын
Always enjoy ur in depth pvp videos man keep it up, I hit ace for the first time in the evo catch cup thx to a lil guidance from ur videos ❤
@Crushergamin6 ай бұрын
when it comes to the subject of the algorithm I do personally think its somewhere in the middle just because I have been coding for years and know that no game can run without some sort of algorithm. And from personal experience yes I have been hard countered and I also have hard countered my opponents so its not a oh the algorithm is purposely hard countering me specifically (even though it can feel like that somedays) but I do think u get paired with more people within you elo / skill rank.
@sheepinatorz53116 ай бұрын
That’s the consensus of the sane PoGo community. Obviously there is a matchmaking algorithm. If there wasn’t, you could be at 2100 Elo and go up against a 3400 Elo or 800 Elo player. It’s a benign requirement for the system to function. The algorithm that some believe in uses your team composition to match you against hard counter teams to artificially force your winrate to 50%.
@noahandelin69076 ай бұрын
The algorithm exists so hard I recognized it before I even started watching poke tubers.
@viniciuskfm6 ай бұрын
One important point to notice is: the ELO system is designed to "try" and pair you against players with a similar skill level (if you play against lesser opponents, you climb easily until you aren't anymore. If it's against stronger ones, you lose a lot). Once you are at this range, on the long go, you will reach ~50% win rate, however many wins or losses you had before that
@justmanu98816 ай бұрын
Its funny how people still think, you can win every lead or hard conter every switch every time. If you hit Legend every season, its because of skills not algo luck or whatever. Also if there are almost only teams - Team A which hard conter Team B and Team C hard Conter Team A its normal you win 50% lead and lose 50% leads
@franco48526 ай бұрын
This needed to be said, so thank you. It’s the same with any competitive online game I’ve played. The vast majority of people stuck at a certain rank blame everything but themselves as the reason they cannot climb. Everyone runs into teams that wall you and no amount of skill overcomes that. That’s a small minority of matches out of a full day of sets. Appreciate the positivity as always, Zyonik!
@shirkoj2256 ай бұрын
Why do we not say there is algorithm and all we need is to use skills to bear the game
@tigerbiterhater6 ай бұрын
lol that’s the algorithm. Walling you. 😂
@jarlkakadue6156 ай бұрын
The matchmaking is based on ELO and nothing else. Believing otherwise is a mix of Gambler's Fallacy and confirmation bias. It is absolutely a shared delusion of both the PoKEMON GO PvP community, or at least perpetual Ace-rank trainers, and every single other gaming PvP community where people are stuck in one league or rank, while believing they belong in a higher rank, and blame the system by assigning it evil intentions and conjuring up entirely made-up matchmaking processes that makes no sense and are needlessly complicated, based on absolutely nothing other than confirmation bias and Gambler's Fallacy. It is nice to see a content creator that doesn't baby the community by playing into this shared delusions, which it would be really easy to do compared to explaining why some of us are probably, actually stuck in Ace-rank. For me, I for sure need to improve on my fast-move counting, both so that I can more consistently catch charge moves on switching, and also to avoid giving away free fast move turns when throwing my own charge moves. It may be a little harsh, but anyone playing any kind of competitive game where RNG and matchmaking is part of it, needs to try and be aware of and rid themselves of confirmation bias and Gamer's Fallacy, because it prevents you from improving and it doesn't matter whether the game is PGO PvP or Texas Holdem - you're not going to improve if you blame your mistakes on an external system, much less a made-up one, because you can't learn anything from mistakes that you don't own.
@donpedro716 ай бұрын
I *know* for a fact I need to work on my skills. I appreciate watching and learning from @zyonik and other creators. And it actually helps to hear that even Zyonic is not even 60%. You're going to lose matches, no matter how good you are. With 18 types, you can't cover everything.
@daviddrodriguez066 ай бұрын
Algorithm definitely does exist but if you put in the time to be a better trainer you can over come bad leads - this is coming from an Ace / Veteran trainer who loses great leads to better skilled players. It’s frustrating at times but is what it is…
@Danny_Deleto6 ай бұрын
The algorithm exists, i mean every pvp game has some form of it. But you can still beat it, otherwise nobody would climb. You wouldn't see people proud of their 20 win streak. I do have to admit, I'd still rather have what the main games had where you have six Pokémon and choose three while you can see your opponents six Pokémon. Be a lot more interesting in terms of teambuilding, and a lot more fair.
@yualan6 ай бұрын
I remember encountering a “bug” if that’s what you want to call it where when I entered a Go Battle match all of my Pokémon were none that I ever used. However, the other player’s Pokémon literally hard countered every one of them. Once the match ended those Pokémon disappeared and my regular team was listed on the setup screen. That showed me there definitely is an algorithm of sort that intentionally puts you at a disadvantage at times. I did capture a video of it before sitting in the hard drive somewhere.
@FuhrerJacob6 ай бұрын
Is it too hard to believe that if you’re doing well, you’ll face against a team with a higher win rate and if you’re losing a bunch, you’ll face against a team with a lower win rate? Neutral teams/leads to exist. The thinking of “always losing” isn’t correct.
@Aroeny6 ай бұрын
Everyone who says there is not an algorithm for matchmatking has absolutely no clue how modern day games work.
@Conky14526 ай бұрын
Yes the game has a matchmaking system no one is saying it doesn’t but it’s not the one most people complain about. It’s based off of your MMR and not the team you choose
@kimchinrice19906 ай бұрын
It’s simple. If you are skilled enough, you can climb to legend whether there is algorithm or not period. It’s so annoying to see a specific youtuber always complaining about the algorithm
@robertionescu87706 ай бұрын
See my luck ZyoniK, as per your comments from 6:30 , I was almost expert this season around 2740 range, but I did not hit it because of some negative sets that brought me to veteran range again. So I got stuck to Veteran because I gave up climbing when I see this "algorithm" every day...
@ryanb66585 ай бұрын
When we do raids they automatically pick our teams based on the moves and when we battle a go rocket it automatically picks our teams based on moves so I wonder why it would be any different when we fight in GBL? Nobody’s ever answered this question of mine
@SFSR66 ай бұрын
Call it superstition but I always change my team after a battle and apparently I get better matches that way. Also, when you roll TMs, it is like if you do them in a row the moves stay in a loop getting, idk, astonish and tackle back and forth instead of something better like shadow claw (just an example). There are a lot of sketchy things in Pokemon Go tbh
@gregfrazer68926 ай бұрын
Solid video Zyonik. Thanks for making it. What is your take on bots? Do they exist, and if so, at what ELO do you think they disappear, cuz I don’t think they exist in the Expert and Legend ranks.
@maganhassan26276 ай бұрын
Apparently not long ago there was bot that reveal what pokemon you use to hard counter you it's been talked about from youtubers like pokeAK & zyonik I don't know if niantic fixed that 🤷♂️
@gregfrazer68926 ай бұрын
Not talking about bots that allow cheating, but rather AI trainer bots that run teams.
@user-xf2su1rz6j6 ай бұрын
There are bots in go battle league up to expert level. They cant have them in the high ranks of legend or they'd be exposed because very few battles should be available in those high brackets.
@maganhassan26276 ай бұрын
how do these bots work exactly?@@user-xf2su1rz6j
@drecali28486 ай бұрын
There 100% is an algorithm. This is asinine.
@tigerbiterhater6 ай бұрын
There’s an algorithm. If it’s truly a random match ups. We will definitely see all kinds of Pokémon besides all current metas. I’ll run Bastidon lead. Will let me have good 10-3 run. After that. Nothing but Medicham lead or fighter all of a sudden. Lol😂
@Jankee9126 ай бұрын
I do believe in the “Algorithm” …. I’ve experienced myself tons of times where I switch to a specific type and keep encountering the same counter in the front for the whole set. I wish I was recording that 💩 Coincidence!!! I really doubt it…
@keithray94216 ай бұрын
I hit legend for 4 straight seasons now I’m just simply not being allowed to. If I don’t make it this season it will be 3 in a row. I ran pilo lead for 5 sets yesterday and had vigo opposing lead 18 times. I ran golbat the day before and I had 11 pilo leads and 6 charjibugs. In 2 days, 50 matches I only had 9 hard lead wins. Crazy hard to climb under those conditions
@GrannySingaporePVP6 ай бұрын
Zy, I’m not only a legend. But I bounce on and off the leaderboards so I have no agenda for what I’m going to say. I’m not making any excuses, because there’s nothing to make excuses about; I hit legend every season early and am very happy with my gbl experience: Having said that… there absolutely IS an algorithm. It DOES pair you based on ELO. But it ALSO pairs based on team composition. The algorithm does try to even the playing field and as result it does tend to keep players at or around 50%. The way I know this is from observations and experience, as well as common sense. Whether the algorithm blesses you with great matchups or curses you with terrible ones 100% depends on how you performed in the previous set. For example, if I get a 5-0, i will bet my house that the following set I will see teams with typings and moves that absolutely and totally counter mine. But if I go 1-4, the next set I’m more likely to see favorable matchups. HOWEVER, this is NOT AN EXCUSE! what Zyonic is saying is 1000% TRUE! The algorithm does exist, but it is NOT THE REASON for your struggles! Every battler has to deal with it. The way to hit legend is to win the games you’re supposed to win, win some of the games you shouldn’t, and just try to minimize the damage when you get walled. Like Zy says. Move counts. Move timing. Typing matchups. Catches, team reading, recognizing win conditions are all things you can always improve. Do these things and keep working hard and you will see improvements, regardless of the algo
@kevina32266 ай бұрын
Sorry but HIGHLY doubt you’ve hit leaderboards consistently if you’re seriously talking about a matchup algorithm. The whole point of ELO is that in the long term you hit your appropriate rating and then your WR averages towards 50%. You’re completely ignoring the times you go 4-1 three times in a row because your team comp is beating the current meta at your elo - confirmation bias is making you focus on moments that support your conspiracy theory. Also this is objectively how elo ranked systems work, not subjective like your “observations and common sense” lol
@CurL4886 ай бұрын
They have. Pretty skilled too from what I’ve seen. Pogo Grind showcases this trainer. Last one I saw was near mid December before the holiday cup.
@RowletGod696 ай бұрын
There is no algorithm that os specifically designed to pair you up against unfavorable team comps on purpose.
@franko66776 ай бұрын
This. This is 100% true, every word of it.
@GrannySingaporePVP6 ай бұрын
@@RowletGod69 if you say so
@fleafinder29726 ай бұрын
It would be nice if they got away from the blind threes format. Or at least let us match our opponent then select from our premade teams
@blkboi42516 ай бұрын
Zyonik I ❤you, “you have to overcome bad situations” 🗣️🤞🏾 real af
@AsahiMiyagi6 ай бұрын
As per myself being newer to pokemon go and go battle league as a whole. I do take notice that people often take to the meta easily, which is fine, if it is what they want to do go ahead but, I have now made it my goal to use unusual and or uncommonly used pokemon with specific movesets to meta counter and I have had had good luck with it and maybe went from a 20% winrate 2 weeks ago to a 60% winrate roughly maybe higher if I'm lucky or quick enough. Obviously I still have a lot of learning to do but, I want to change things up and give people variety to see other than the common meta and still make it effective
@SFSR66 ай бұрын
Niantic should use the same rules as in official tournaments. It would be amazing if you could preview each other's team of 6 and pick based on the info
@itzmatos5 ай бұрын
This has been discussed multiple times before, and no matter how many times I try to explain my view, there will always be someone who doesn't believe it, and vice-versa. It's not entirely a solution, but if there was an unranked matchmaking system I can guarantee you that no one would complain about an algorithm based on matching pokemon to one another based on typing, moves etc.
@hatethehaightful6 ай бұрын
I agree with your take on this, and a lot of people dont want to realize there is things such as micro metas based on ELO ratings. Always appreciate your content and the willingness to be open and honest.
@ilBaccello6 ай бұрын
I suspect that implementing the 'algorithm' is extremely inefficient on a queuing system like GBL ( in order to divert battles to hard counter teams for all players all the time). The waiting time for battles would be way higher at ACE ELO. Unless by algorithm people are also thinking that the opponents are actually bots. However a quick browse on campfire might dispel that theory :-) However, like explained in this video, adopting a specific team composition and related strategy will reduce the perceivedly-purposeful RPS hard countering in GBL.
@charizard96336 ай бұрын
The thing about bots is that they definitely do exist in GBL. People farm bots all the time like for example all the pokemaps that are still in existence… there is a guy in my city that runs a pogo map service and he says he literally has thousands of bots he uses to get the data for his map service. He says there are bots for everything from finding Pokemon to battling gyms to spinning Pokestops and even in PVP.
@ilBaccello6 ай бұрын
@@charizard9633 you're right. I saw unofficial maps with location of spawns even in the middle of the night. I didn't expect that these were used for battling in GBL. Are you saying that users are deploying bots for PvP or is it Nianticn to systematically bias GBL?
@gabrielgiacoppo69986 ай бұрын
I finally hit Veteran the other day! Thank you Zyonik for all your videos, great insights, and advice. They truly helped me improve and feel confident in making educated, skillful plays. Gonna aim to make another climb before the end of the season. Good luck, everyone!
@kijoca736 ай бұрын
I believe there is a balancing factor to it. Thanks to you and Callum I got to Vereran for the first time this season. I enjoy the PVP a lot and it can be frustrating when you are dominating with a team one day, then suddenly you get dominated.
@kiehallo2 ай бұрын
I have almost stopped playing this season because of this. I kept trying to go more than Expert and every time I climbed, the next day I'd get hard countered by teams I didn't face before. I just lost the motivation, and honestly it's not like you have to be a genius to be able to play well. So it's not only about the skills.
@AmzorcenEX6 ай бұрын
sometimes i wish that we could choose 6 pokemon, then use a draft system like what they do in official tournaments. so we have more variety and coverage and maybe even more spice instead of just running straight to battles
@bussewtsy316 ай бұрын
If the algorithm didn’t exist you would see way more neutral leads instead of 80-90% leads where someone has to immediately swap out. It’s easy to test too. Just lead an electric type and see how often you run into ground, water, or flying leads. There are 18 types and only 3 are either super effective to you or take super effective from you. But you’ll see those 3 types over and over. Then after leading the same Pokemon for 20-30 battles, switch it up and you’ll start seeing mons you haven’t seen in a long time.
@biggestkat11346 ай бұрын
That has to do with condensed meta. You will always see the same pokemon over and over. This season its Anialape, whiscash, poliwrath, chargebug.
@bussewtsy316 ай бұрын
@@biggestkat1134 You ignored the last part of my comment. After running the same team with the same lead 20-30 times, switch it up. That’s when you’ll see different mons. Seeing the same ones over and over proves my point. You are using the same mons so the game makes you face the same mons. Switch it up and you’ll see new mons.
@biggestkat11346 ай бұрын
@@bussewtsy31 but you won't see different mons. I switch up my teams all the time once I hit legend and it's the same old boring pokemon I face. The ones PvP poke and youtubers says are good. It actually makes it extremely easy to climb because no one can think independently. To the point where if zyonik or jonkus or homeslice makes a video I can make a hard counter team and I gain elo. Of course if you don't think independently and use the same old mons you will face the same mons you use and run into a rock paper scissor scenario where you will by random chance hard counter your opponent and then get hard countered and run into the 50% win ratio where you climb 100 points one day and then drop 100 the next day. Over and over and over and you are stuck in eternal ACE level.
@bussewtsy316 ай бұрын
@@biggestkat1134A couple of seasons ago in UL I was leading Excadrill with Tentacruel and Waterfall Primarina in the back. When I won the lead 90% of the time the opponent would swap Giratina. After seeing my 30th Giratina swap I put charm on Primarina. Once I did that, 100% of Giratinas I faced from that moment on were in the lead. Not one single Giratina safe swap after that. That’s not a coincidence and it’s not just bad luck.
@biggestkat11346 ай бұрын
@@bussewtsy31 that is because you are following the crowd and not thinking. Why did you play a entire day without putting charm on your primirina? After you saw 5 Giritina safe swaps you should have immediately put charm on your primirina and not wait 30 + sets! Because the same crowd that follows the youtubers who told them to use a giritina safe swap and don't think will begin to get frustrated because they will begin to be hard countered by people like me or having mirror matches and do something super simple like moving their safe swap to the front. It's 100% predictable. For example on the first day you hardcounter their girantina the first day when you notice the pattern of giritina safe swaps. When you begin noticing that people are using giritina in the front well you move primirina to the front to hardcounter that. Boom easy elo and you can gain around 150 points in those 2 days.
@JesusGomez866 ай бұрын
I can see where people think there is an algorithm . I remember seasons back when Gyrados Double Charm was a thing. I would see that team at least once or twice a set. For like two days straight. I got tired of it so I changed my team to directly hard counter it. It had Magnezone lead. After that, I NEVER saw it for the remaining week…I am honeslty split, but leaning towards that there isn’t an algorithm
@rustinbates25546 ай бұрын
I got to 2731 this season. My all time high elo. After that, I ran into straight hard counter lead, swap and closers for 3-4 battles out of each set for the next 4 sets. I dropped almost 200 elo before bouncing back above veteran. I know the counts, I know fast move optimization, I just personally feel like the game screws me over after getting into veteran rank. If I had to name something that I need to improve on, it would be team reading.
@chrisbuddster6 ай бұрын
Definitely an algorithm to keep you around 50%
@jeremykops6 ай бұрын
I'm a legend player and I'm sitting at a 53% overall win rate. While skill is the biggest overall factor in the higher ranks, theres definitely a matchmaking program in play. You can see the same team comps for numerous sets when youre running a specific team, and once you change your team you see entirely different team comps
@jazandriz6 ай бұрын
exactly. how to statistically test this is the question.
@GurtejSinghGuitar6 ай бұрын
Why doesn't any body not talk about luck? Half of PvP is now luck based I feel
@theoccidilian48966 ай бұрын
“You've got to know when to hold 'em Know when to fold 'em Know when to walk away And know when to run” - Kenny Rogers
@SnKHhfb6 ай бұрын
I found that when trying a new team the first Pokémon you'll encounter on the lead will 9 times out of 10 be your main corebreaker. It's surprising how this happens time and time again.
@Amarantine16 ай бұрын
This guys knowledge is crazy. I’m not good at the game at all, I’m trying to learn counts and all that but it takes a long time. I just got 2,689 ranking in the little catch cup and I’m over the moon. I’ve never been this high before, but watching his videos motivates me to keep at it
@Emmanuel0096 ай бұрын
I believe the Algorithm exist, sometimes it throws the same pokemon over and over and over, across multiple sets and elos, then you change your team and suddenly you don't see those pokemon anymore, but I agree that you need to learn to deal with different situations it throws at you
@azimuthclark4626 ай бұрын
I think a major problem here is a lot of people don't understand what the word algorithm means.
@potatotomato9716 ай бұрын
Ive never been a believer of the algorithm until now, I haven't seen medicham for pretty much the entire season, and now, right as I start using galarian stunfisk and pelipper, my last 3 games have been medicham lanturn cores 🤔either its a coincidence and Im being dramatic or there is some kind of algorithm idk but it is still annoying.
@ifineNick6 ай бұрын
We need spicy pokemon to mix and match in every matchup and want to see all of pokemon can battle! NO meta Po can GO!
@Sachindeo936 ай бұрын
My problem with algorithm being there isn’t that it tries to keep you at same Elo or makes you lose. My problem is, algorithm makes things predictable. You will get at least one hard counter match per set and there will be one match your opponent gets hard countered per set. This makes things predictable. Now add lag, glitches, bugs, unplayable cups, this makes game not worth my time.
@je19476 ай бұрын
It's so predictable that it's almost boring
@godzipgo24946 ай бұрын
Enjoy the game, have fun make friends, win or lose it doesn't make you any better unless you are a KZfaqr not even your mom is gonna know if you hit legend or not, chill, take it sport
@citrustaco6 ай бұрын
There is no algorithm when it comes to typing or making a specific trainer lose. That's RNG. The certain content creator who complains about this always rages when it's against him, yet if he gets a favorable lead, it's working as intended. For every player who gets an advantage, the other gets a disadvantage. If the algorithm is against you, learn to exploit and make it work FOR you. If they have grass and you have water, then if there's an algorithm where you're losing four in a row, then choose grass. Exploit it. But that content creator NEVER does. Unless the code explicitly says "if trainer_name = 'PokeAK', then nerf_trainer()", there is no bias against anyone. You are either player A or player B. This game has skills and the top players always rise to the top. Good players know how to overcome bad situations. And the higher you rise in the rank, the tougher your opponents are. THIS is what gives it a 50/50 win balance. THIS is why some players will tank their ELO, then fight against weaker trainers and raise their ELO with larger win streaks.