What is the Best Phylactery?

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Cheb Gonaz

4 жыл бұрын

The lich's phylactery was a concept that always intrigued and fascinated me about liches and necromancy. In this video I share some hopefully good ideas for how a lich could effectively hide a phylactery.
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@TheDrexxus
@TheDrexxus 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who has played many liches over the years in D&D, you're forgetting a very important part of D&D lichdom. Liches must feed souls into their phylacteries, usually around once a year. If they fail to do so, their minds will start to unravel and they will eventually degrade into demi liches, having lost a great deal of their power and sanity. In 5th edition, feeding souls to a phylactery requires the use of the Imprisonment spell, using the Phylactery as the material component. This is a 9th level spell and requires you to be near the phylactery. So where ever you had this thing, it would need to be accessible as-needed, at least once a year, in order to feed it a fresh soul. I once made a phylactery out of a magical weapon that had the property of ripping souls out of people below a certain health threshold if you rolled a critical hit. IIRC, less than 100 hit points, and you roll a nat 20, it just sucks the soul right out. By doing this, use of the sword would feed the phylactery automatically. I then gave it as a gift to some evil folks who ended up using it because it was a powerful weapon, and it auto-fed the lich. Wizards can also cast the demiplane spell to create their own private extradimensional space to store it in. No one is able to access your demiplane without knowing its exact nature, so it would be presumably inaccessible even if someone knew it was in one unless they'd actually been there and seen it themselves. It's a great way to keep it safe with zero risk of anyone ever encountering it or even following you to it since the most common way you'd get there is by dying and to get back, you can create a sort of extradimensional airlock by going into an empty demiplane, thoroughly scanning it for ethereal and invisible creatures after the door closes to ensure you weren't followed, then open the demiplane to the actual location. Other methods i've used was building a large war memorial statue in the center of a capital city and putting the phylactery inside around the base, and creating a coffin-sized chamber within it to reform inside of. No one knows it is there, so you can reform then teleport out as needed. The statue itself is heavily enchanted with all sorts of effects, so picking up magical auras on its surface is to be expected and well known, and because its stone, magical detection cannot penetrate deeply enough to detect the phylactery within. Although this was done as a mummy lord, using a heart rather than an actual phylactery, and mummy lords aren't restricted by the "must feed souls" caveat liches have. Although it isn't stated anywhere, I believe the reason for the distinction is that mummy lords don't actually have souls and are instead just reanimated corpses that retain their personality and intelligence. Would explain why they come back so quickly and don't have that limitation. Makes sense as well since you can only mummify a dead body while the lich ritual must be performed on the living.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic info, thanks for informing me. You're right, I'd forgotten about the feeding souls mechanic. I do remember reading/hearing about it once, but it wasn't in the forefront of my mind. Your idea with the sword is really good.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrexxus That's so brilliant. See, I knew the commenters would know some awesome phylactery strategies.
@ravenandthecrow
@ravenandthecrow 4 жыл бұрын
It depends on the editions. I dont recall 1st of 2nd edition was like that except the Ravenloft setting. Third edition there is no mention of it either except perhaps ravenloft setting (I haven not looked into that). I think it takes away the true undeadhood of the lich. I found that it made a lich far superior type of undead if it did not have to feed. The maintenance that were mentionned occasionally was not explained so as a DM or other DM it was more of a magical maintenance like a re-enchantmenet or empowerment of the phylactery. It was cool because you could alone in another plane of existance and you did not need to sacrifice someone. So that change annoyed me. I have not play D&D in a while. I also dont like how necromancy is in 5 edition. Gone are the days where you could have a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge army to conquer the land and terrorize the people who bullied you.
@TheDrexxus
@TheDrexxus 4 жыл бұрын
@@ravenandthecrow You might find mummy lords more to your liking in the current edition. They use their heart rather than a phylactery, reform in just one single day, and do not need to feed on souls in any way. They just persist. Not to mention their rotting fist and mummy rot curse are far superior to a lich's touch attack, not only dealing more damage but also affliction that curse that prevents healing and means you will die if it isn't cured. Mummy Lords are incredibly strong. As far as the massive army bit, I don't recall that being possible in 3-3.5 era either. From what I recall, you could only control a certain number of hit dice worth of undead, based on your level. There were feats to improve the hit dice per level and stuff like that, but still a hard cap. I dunno about 1st or 2nd edition though because they're so out of date it really doesn't matter anymore. In 5e you can have something like 130ish skeletons by max level if you really wanted to. That number may be off because it's been a while since I added it up, but I think it is somewhere around there. Homebrew is definitely the way to go to get a personal army of massive size by having a feat or ability to simply command all undead up to a certain CR or something like that. However, you can technically have an army of infinite size if you're clever about it. For example, it is within your power to animate Wights. The spell create undead must be re-cast each day to maintain direct control over them, however, if that control expires, they don't simply fall over dead, they remain animated but not under your direct control anymore. Wights are intelligent and capable of speech. If you are a lich, I don't think you'd have much difficulty convincing a free willed wight to serve you and fight in your name. And since wights can create their own undead, up to 12 zombies I think? If i'm remembering correctly. You could theoretically have an army of infinite size, limited only by the number of corpses at your disposal. Also, there are permanent means of control available to you such as the Geas spell. You could use that on a Wight at a spell level high enough to make it a permanent effect, and use it to maintain control. So there are ways to make it work in a roundabout way. :)
@ravenandthecrow
@ravenandthecrow 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrexxus Thank you very much. I am now considering D&D 5 edition. Maybe one day, my necromancer shall rise and conquer the World and bring peace as dark undead emperor. I play anti-villain in my games like Emperor Palpatine Style. I do want to bring peace, be a hero, make a difference and make things better but ... you know ... I am villainous in my method and use horrible people (bad criminals) as my test subject and disposable minions. I of course see the powers of hell as both obstacle and a stepping stones to rise into Godhood. I want to become a God to stop the bickering among the Gods because it affects us all and fix the multiverse and provide alternative choice for afterlife and more magical powers to everyone (alive or dead) and make the Weave stronger so that ACTUAL level 12 (and more) spells can be cast. And perhaps go beyond Godhood. Yea. As you can see my character get squashed a lot since nobody like someone with misguided limitless ambitions ... especially not the Gods and Demons. I miss playing.
@eintyp4389
@eintyp4389 2 жыл бұрын
Step1: Make a randome stone into your phylactery Step2: Sink it in the deepest part of the ocean Step3: Realize that you are in a fantasy setting Step4: Constantly get spawn killed by leviathans Step5: Get the leviathan low over time by curing it over and over Step6 Raise it after it finaly dies and emerge from the abyss of the seas with your new undead abomination
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds great lol
@Pinky-0-1-0
@Pinky-0-1-0 Жыл бұрын
My phylactery would be made of wood. A sturdy branch fashioned into a wooden beam. A support beam. Placed carefully as the support beam to the local orphanage. It couldn't be removed without bringing down the orphanage. The lich would put wards on the hole building... you know for the safety of the children. And every year you pick the saddest child who needed a family and take him out for the day and take him to his new home.... inside your phylactery. Adventurers would have to be real careful to remove it without being branded as those jerks that tore down the orphanage. And its probably the most evil way to secure it.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz Жыл бұрын
Love it, good thinking
@JagenPoltical
@JagenPoltical 3 жыл бұрын
I once ran campaign in which a lich had a his Phylactory in a spoon.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 3 жыл бұрын
that's cool lol
@skyraysaturday6077
@skyraysaturday6077 2 жыл бұрын
Literally "feeding" souls to it while feeding the user? 😆
@wulfhardoftoxandria7680
@wulfhardoftoxandria7680 4 жыл бұрын
I think I would use a stone as my phylactery. A semi-precious one, like a quartz or a Tiger Eye. It would be very convenient to transport if needed as it is a small object, precious enough to not be confused by myself with any other rock in my lair, and humble enough to not drawn the attention of anyone who would be investigating my crypt. Beside, it would be easy to hide it among other similar rocks. So, if my lair get raided, it would be left untouched -as there would be far more interesting loot to take, or just circulate a bit like a coin, without the risk of being smelted, before being selled
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
A stone also makes for a very pretty phylactery.
@nickfulton8173
@nickfulton8173 3 жыл бұрын
But then gets discovered by gem cutters or some one trying to make jewelry
@VeryProfessionalGamer
@VeryProfessionalGamer 3 жыл бұрын
Your phylactery? A tarrasque. Immortality achieved.
@baval5
@baval5 4 жыл бұрын
Since corpses are objects, make your phylactery out of the strongest body you can find, then reanimate it. It now has all the protection of a phylactery plus a powerful undead, and whenever youre reborn from it you instantly have a strong minion with you. Order it to flee any combat while youre not alive. Digging skeletons are especially useful for this. Alternatively, make it out of a tiny stone, then make a small undead bird and cast mask of life on it to make it look alive. Have it act like a normal bird, flitting around the forest.
@teamvjmckblah1436
@teamvjmckblah1436 4 жыл бұрын
I thought of this but something that lives under the ground. since it not actually alive It will not need to come up for food. The only things that might end up going down there is a snake and so on. Have it dig a large network on a small tunnel. Even with today's tech, it would be hard to get.
@baval5
@baval5 4 жыл бұрын
@@teamvjmckblah1436 even harder in DND where certain things can burrow without leaving a tunnel
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome idea. That'd be a great way to keep the phylactery out of enemy hands if it's on a bird that's flying around. If some creature eats that bird though, you might find your phylactery inside the turd of a larger creature.
@baval5
@baval5 4 жыл бұрын
@@chebgonaz true, but i know in a lot of settings creatures shun the undead naturally (even when disguised) and even if that does happen an undead bird could probably actually beat most things that want to eat it.
@Nemenon
@Nemenon 4 жыл бұрын
What about a crown? These tend to be highly protected and guarded objects, and even touching it without permission can get you executed/imprisoned, so it may deter most people. You could possibly even enchant it sort of like Excalibur, and only "the one true king" can wear it, meaning the person you let wear it, and anyone else who tries will get cursed/repelled. On top of that you can even keep your agents close to the king/crown to give it even further protection. And in the chance of a siege or the crown getting stolen, people would think that your powerful enchantment is what is preventing them from touching or destroying it. This could give you enough time to reclaim it, and maybe hide it better or use a transmutation spell to turn it into something else? Honestly I don't follow D&D at all so I don't know the limitations of a Lich, but I like these basic ideas a bit.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea. You could even factor in stuff like the phylactery crown emits subtle (or perhaps not so subtle) mind control. A bit like the one ring from LoTR. People that own it get crazy over it and possessive/defensive of it. Perhaps they end up as a true puppet which the lich can use to control this kingdom.
@Nemenon
@Nemenon 4 жыл бұрын
@@chebgonaz That is exactly what I was originally thinking, but wasn't sure if that was a bit too much or not lol.
@taliesin7913
@taliesin7913 4 жыл бұрын
A problem with a low quality coin phylactery is that low quality coins tarnish, or rust. If your coin finds its way to the back of a goblin cave for forty years before being found by adventurers, it'll be quite suspicious to find 200 rusty coins, and one in pristine condition, all in the same stack. There is also a problem of the kingdom that mints these coins eventually falling, and the money that it used now falling out of favor. Imagine a 2,000 year old lich of today using a Roman denarius as its coin phylactery. A Roman denarius is incredibly rare now, and stands out. On top of this, they are all damaged in some way, so one still in perfect condition is very suspicious.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
Those are good points. I don't know all the limitations of illusion magic, but maybe it's possible to use it to cause the viewer of the coin to perceive it differently depending on the circumstances. Like, perhaps in the situation you described, it would appear just as old and worn as the other coins around it. Depending on how insidious the phylactery object is to those around it, perhaps it could deceive them in subtle ways. They find it as a coin, but later it's a ring and they forget it was ever a coin in the first place. Then they lose it because it camouflages itself as pocket lint and they discard it. It always comes down the DM and how willing they are to bend rules etc, but a phylactery like the ring of power from LoTR was certainly capable of causing its bearer to accidentally misplace it.
@kajnake5905
@kajnake5905 4 жыл бұрын
Coins are cool but whenever they get thrown around you never know where you gonna end up. Could end up in a bank with security high enough to take down a reborn lich over and over again until they find out that one of those coins might be a phylactery I would for myself make a phylactery made out of a tooth that I would install on a random lowest minion in my ranks in their sleep, maybe just some random goblin. That way they dont know they have a magical tooth. Then I would promote them to a ranger and forbid him from returning to the lair. From that day forward whenever the heroes kill a random minion on the outskirts they probably wont think too much of it before heading to the lich's lair where the real monsters would run around. When the lich dies, they get reborn either near their ally outside of their base (Where heroes could still lurk about) or around a corpse. Either case provides a single minion to convert or team up with to rebuild your empire. Once you get a following once more, remove the tooth and install it on another minion and let the circle continue The only downside I can think of is a hero that collects teeth, but they mostly collect big, grand, sharp, impressive teeth of beasts to make cheap jewelry from. Thats why I think they wouldnt bother with a random half-rotten goblin tooth
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
That's a cool idea, thanks for sharing.
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 2 жыл бұрын
I just had an idea for a phylactery: What if you store your soul inside one of the bricks used to construct your evil lair? Imagine how difficult it would be for a party of heroes to demolish the place, looking for the one, solitary brick that is the source of your immortality!
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao i like that one
@davidstanda6743
@davidstanda6743 2 ай бұрын
I have a similar idea, but instead of a brick, the phylactery would be a single gold coin in a massive treasury.
@davidhall9194
@davidhall9194 2 жыл бұрын
My idea fro a phylactery is a knife. You give the knife to a butcher; that way you’ll be feeding off the animals souls. If you have it enchanted to never dull then that would cover the magical signature.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 2 жыл бұрын
Damn that's a good idea. Could make for some interesting stories: "Butcher's magic knife handed down for generations hungrily absorbs the blood from slain livestock. For centuries nobody thinks much of it until a visiting wizard finds the properties of the knife peculiar and investigates, only to find himself stalked and attacked by undead horrors for no apparent reason"
@hrregrg1952
@hrregrg1952 3 жыл бұрын
So one of is you make a holy book( plactery)you pretend to be a cleric of a temple then forge a fake grandmasters book so when makes sacrifices to there Gods even temple of talos you can enchant the emblem of talos so when they sacrifice to there Gods they really be sacrificeing to you this can also free up your undead horde for raiding
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 3 жыл бұрын
Nice, I like it
@King_Nex
@King_Nex 4 жыл бұрын
A Phylactery has to be a container of sorts, right? Okay, I pick the underdark. Like, the whole underdark. Good luck taking that to the celestial plane for destruction.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao, if that's possible, it's a good one
@hrregrg1952
@hrregrg1952 3 жыл бұрын
Ussaly it doesnt fit into something that large why you dont hear about more necromancers useing the crypt as the plactory ( also a plactory that large would be hard to keep an eye on
@highskies1262
@highskies1262 4 жыл бұрын
Hands of a great clock tower. Too useful to be destroyed even if the city is taken by opposing forces. Reform where few people have reason to go.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
Nice lol, that's certainly something that people wouldn't think of.
@evillee420
@evillee420 2 жыл бұрын
in medieval europe it was very common for coins in circulation to be brought back and reminted, usually due to a change in the prices of gold and silver, so your coin phylactery would be found very easily, also, having your phylactery be in circulation like that sounds like an absolutely terrible idea, you have no idea where it's going to go, so it could easily end up lost in a place you couldn't easily find/get to, and finally, having your phylactery just out there changing hands makes no sense, if you die and need to re materialize, it's going to be extremely telling when a lich begins to form in the middle of some business there's a reason liches keep their phylacteries hidden in crypts, because it's objectively the best place to put it, anywhere not under your direct supervision would be insane, just have it hidden underground, in a place you can't access without teleporting, ergo only you know where it is and only you can access it
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah good points to consider
@AntKneeLeafEllipse
@AntKneeLeafEllipse 2 жыл бұрын
Loooooving this.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome :) thanks for watching
@swordofstabbingold
@swordofstabbingold 2 жыл бұрын
A cursed amulet. Curse it so that anyone who gets near it other than you is somehow hindered from destroying it. Bonus points if you make it a spellcasting focus.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 2 жыл бұрын
Kinda reminds me of the One Ring
@casualsleepingdragon8501
@casualsleepingdragon8501 7 ай бұрын
You and the random farmer wiþ your Phylactery when you refoem in his house: ( ø_ ø) (o _o )
@krowodom5719
@krowodom5719 3 жыл бұрын
2 different options I've heard of was: a statue setup to commemorate a cities victory (one of the gems in the statue) and could visit it with a soul when needed, using nystul's magic aura cast until it was a permanent effect masking the artifact from prying magics. Another was a representation of a holy symbol set up in a church the lich helped found for the unwitting m eff members, was a part of a large fixture in the main section marked by spells to seem good in nature and of a non necromantic radiance.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 3 жыл бұрын
Nice ideas, but the only problem I see with them is the changing of ideas over time. For example, when people 100 years later decide that heroic figure was actually somehow problematic and tear the statue down. Or faith wanes in the church and it faces demolition. That type of thing
@krowodom5719
@krowodom5719 3 жыл бұрын
@@chebgonaz True or an opposing faction destroys the area. But it takes so long for that to happen it seemed worth it.
@nickfulton8173
@nickfulton8173 3 жыл бұрын
If a player starts with knuckle bone dice as a trinket make those the phylactery, and make them made out of his original body
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 3 жыл бұрын
Nice lol
@nickfulton8173
@nickfulton8173 3 жыл бұрын
@@chebgonaz They'll never suspect it
@IamGhede
@IamGhede 4 жыл бұрын
I think phylacteries should have more harsh requirements. For instance the phylactery should be a vital component that the lich must keep on their person. Like their heart. It is what is keeping them on the mortal plane. Another thing I would change is how the lich returns once defeated. Instead the phylactery is indestructible. So the lich can never truly be destroyed. With his body destroyed though he needs a vessel. Kinda like diablo 2 dark wanderer you would need your phylactery to fall into the wrong hands. Someone craving wealth and power. You slowly corrupt them devouring their soul and replacing it with your own. You are reborn once again. This would make creating a phylactery out of fancy gems the best way to go. You get defeated and your phylactery gets ceased. Your enemies can't destroy it so they keep it in safe keeping. Rumors spread, some cunning thief manages to steal it and you slowly corrupt him. How many years have passed? Doesn't matter!
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
I think if this were the case, defeated liches would find themselves trapped in some kind of insanely well defended vault. Perhaps imprisoned in a demi-plane with all kinds of magical wards and things to stop them from ever escaping.
@anyhelpbob
@anyhelpbob 4 жыл бұрын
@@chebgonaz This leads to a campaign centered around someone trying to free the liches. Just imagine what happens when some necromancer just drops a couple carts of hapless fools down into the vault filled with hundreds or thousands liches.
@TheDrexxus
@TheDrexxus 4 жыл бұрын
Dracoliches in D&D work kind of like this. Their bodies are too large/complex (for whatever reason, magic amirite?) to reform when they are destroyed. So they have two ways of coming back after dying. The first is by having their phylactery located in a place with other dragon corpses. If it's close enough, they'll just sort of possess another dragon corpse and it'll become their new body. If there are no dragon corpses around, they can instead take possession of reptilian creatures like lizards. The lizard must then begin an arduous journey to find it's previous body and devour at least half of it. After consuming half of its old undead body, it's current form will change back into an undead dragon and it can continue whatever it was doing. There are also other types of liches. One is called, IIRC, a bloodline lich or something similar in which it takes possession of any of its descendants and uses their body as its new one. If its a very old lich, it could potentially have hundreds of descendants so they're difficult to stamp out since they don't use phylacteries and you have to literally murder those entire families to kill them. There's another type, though I forget the name at the moment, that is the result of the ritual going wrong in some way and they are trapped in the phylactery and unable to create new bodies. They can indeed take possession of people who pickup and handle the phylactery, though it is their only means of coming back so they are far more vulnerable than ordinary liches.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrexxus That's really interesting. I don't know much about dracoliches so cool to read, thanks.
@jarrodmckiernan6677
@jarrodmckiernan6677 4 жыл бұрын
Personally my BBEG lich had his Phylacteries implanted into his 4 Undead generals, it made breaking them very difficult for the players
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
Nice. Did they succeed in breaking them?
@jarrodmckiernan6677
@jarrodmckiernan6677 4 жыл бұрын
@@chebgonaz Yeah after a two year campaign they managed to kill all four generals and destroy the Phylacteries... What i didn't expect was when they killed the BBEG they decided to take his place instead of liberating the country.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
@@jarrodmckiernan6677 Hahahaha, cool players
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 2 жыл бұрын
Phylacteries as in plural? They're not like Horcruxes!
@3_14pie
@3_14pie 2 жыл бұрын
I was trying to find to find the best way to hide a phylactery for my BBEG, so my players can after months or years, discover where it is, but this method is too good
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz Жыл бұрын
I'm glad ya like it
@LordDany
@LordDany 2 жыл бұрын
The coin is a very good idea u can Cast nistuls Magic aura In order to hide from detect Magic the Magic that emanate from the coin
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you like it.
@mediasage832
@mediasage832 3 жыл бұрын
Could I use a god...The only way I could die is if they could destroyed that god?
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 3 жыл бұрын
That'd be nuts
@NPC-dc9so
@NPC-dc9so 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I like the idea of my phylactery being a singular gold coin strictly because the heroes that killed me would just see a normal gold piece & think nothing of it Not only that, but it would be also among other gold pieces that's in the treasure room in my Crypt. Then again this is all assuming that there is no set dimension or changes that are necessary for a phylactery to be a phylactery. This is just assuming that you can make any old thing a phylactery & it won't look auspicious when amongst other things of a similar type, though for me I would want it to be a gold piece if there are no limitations to what a phylactery can be. Even if the adventurers pick it up they are inevitably going to use it on something & the DM can just roll on his side of the table to see if they spend me, then when they do I just reform, probably kill the person who had me along with everyone inside the building, then after emptying out the entire town of their souls I'd just peace out into my Crypt again. Honestly though if there are limitations then I would pick whatever the most simplest object is within the limitations. Sometimes the simple approach is the best approach. *Sometimes.* Edit: Well I'm glad he was thinking what I was thinking. I would say great minds think alike, but I would never insult him like that.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
Some other people pointed out some problems with a coin phylactery I never considered: that as the centuries pass, coins change in appearance. Eventually your common-looking coin phylactery becomes a very rare and stand-out piece of ancient history.
@NPC-dc9so
@NPC-dc9so 4 жыл бұрын
@@chebgonaz You know I never considered that.. but at the same time, you figured if you're able to conquer death itself, you'd be able to cast prestidigitation or minor illusion on the coin phylactery to make it look & be however the current currency looks, right? I mean, unless there's some rule that says you yourself can't cast spells at your own phylactery, I don't see why a lich couldn't just use illusion Magic & given the fact that he's a high-level spell Caster, it would be pretty damn strong & damn near impossible to dispel. I mean, even if you can't use illusion magic on your phylactery the most I would happen is The Adventurous would see it, grab it, then take it somewhere to diagnosed & get money for it. Probably selling it off to some sort of Museum or Church. Also the entirety of this literally relies on the fact that no normal person would ever just cast detect magic or detect evil on *money of all things* because nobody expects Enchanted money.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
@@NPC-dc9so That's true yes, if you could use some fancy illusion somehow it'd hold up. Unless the hero has true sight, which isn't far fetched. Any higher level character could possess the spell or an item which grants it. Imagine a mage and a few warriors in a party. The mage says "Oh wow! Look at this amazing old coin!" warrior: "huh? That's a standard gp". I guess no defence is perfect, but this is already pretty good.
@NPC-dc9so
@NPC-dc9so 4 жыл бұрын
@@chebgonaz Well this is also assuming the Lich does their part in making sure that the coin is not out of place. So if it's an old ancient coin presumably it's going to be surrounded by other old ancient coins & if the coin phylactery is in mint condition while the others aren't, it shouldn't be too hard for a lich to cast some sort of restoration on the other piles of coins that he has to make sure that his phylactery coin isn't out of place with the other coins that way the lich can avoid Illusions all together in case someone has true sight. Remember you got to make sure that your coin phylactery is not suspicious so you need to put it around other assorted items & Enchanted items as to not have your coin be the immediate Focus. If it's an ancient coin surrounded by other ancient coins which are all in mint condition because of the liches preparations the Heroes are going to grab it & probably sell it all to some sort of Museum or church or Mages Guild to be identified. At some point you're going to be surrounded by people who aren't covered in plot armor & at that point it's your time to strike. Also we're assuming that the Lich didn't set up a decoy phylactery for the heroes to destroy complete with ghoulish streaming after the "phylactery" is destroyed & even if the heroes have true sight at that point there's really nothing that can hide from them & your boned no matter what you do. You're absolutely correct. That there is no Perfect Defense, but there are really strong options & I truly believe the coin phylactery is one of the best. That or like a brick phylactery. Like a literal slab of Rock or a brick from wherever they're living as a lich. Or a pebble.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
@@NPC-dc9so Brick phylactery haha, that's a funny one. I agree that a coin phylactery is a good option. Having loads of fancier decoy phylacteries seems like a good idea as well.
@zimattack9994
@zimattack9994 2 жыл бұрын
A set of adamantine armor given to a noble or a king
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 2 жыл бұрын
This has good potential for explaining a noble or king's corrupt behavior too
@emberhydra7621
@emberhydra7621 Жыл бұрын
Maybe in some holy place or old relic
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz Жыл бұрын
That'd work well & could lead to an interesting story for a DM
@clknight2008
@clknight2008 2 жыл бұрын
Phylacteries don’t have magic auras and you need to have at least 1 body that your soul can reanimate into.
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 2 жыл бұрын
No you don't. If your body is destroyed, the Phylactery allows you to regenerate a new one after a few days.
@zelex1456
@zelex1456 4 жыл бұрын
What if you could just turn a dragon or tarrasque into one? Sounds silly but a boy can dream haha
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
That'd be cool if the DM permitted it. Only issue is, terrasques and dragons do age and can die of old age, right? I know dragons have a very long lifespan. Maybe they live forever, not sure.
@zelex1456
@zelex1456 4 жыл бұрын
@@chebgonaz all depends on how the table would want to run the game I assume. But yeah, I'm just imagining it would be hilarious
@logancressy2259
@logancressy2259 4 жыл бұрын
id like to think that if a living thing became a phylactery it would become immortal (immortal as in wont die of old age)
@krowodom5719
@krowodom5719 3 жыл бұрын
There was a lich who made thier phylactery a blood line, in order to kill him you'd have to erase everyone in the family. IIRC the life force of the family members sustained the lich as well so no soul gathering was needed, there were negative effects on the family members due to the gradual drain of life force as well.
@King_Nex
@King_Nex 4 жыл бұрын
Coins are not great long term. What if an empire falls and that kind of coin isn't used anymore? What if heroes record the serial number? What if everyone switches to paper money? As a lich, you have to consider what the world will be like hundreds of not thousands of years in the future.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 4 жыл бұрын
That's true, there are better options
@Nyrufa
@Nyrufa 2 жыл бұрын
Then the coin becomes an antique collector's item, and gets stored away safely in a vault or treasure room somewhere.
@IDNeon357
@IDNeon357 3 ай бұрын
There's a problem with coins called the "Seigniorage Tax". Governments for some time now (thousands of years) have understood that there's a hidden tax in money creation when they recover and destroy that money. So it's not "safe enough" to be fiat; the intention is for the money to be destroyed in order to harvest the "seigniorage tax". imagine a worthless paper money. It becomes a little less worthless when there's a "dollar bill" or bank note from 1700s still circulating. Eventually someone will want to collect it for its uniqueness. And governments want to destroy it so they can harvest that tax and redistribute a new coin or dollar.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 3 ай бұрын
I had no idea, interesting. Thank you
@IDNeon357
@IDNeon357 3 ай бұрын
A good candidate for a phylactery would be an "ark of the covenant". A whole religious people built around a sacred object that they seek to preserve perfectly. If word got out that it was a lich's phylactery; that religion would not believe it and would see it as an attack on their religion. If in the modern age where we think "genocide is bad" you'd get a stalemate like Palestine vs. Israel fighting over the Temple mount. Where removing one stone will get you killed, and entire wars are fought over its preservation. Two warring religions over a single sacred object would create a stalemate where the object can never be destroyed and the claim it is a lich would be regarded as absurd by either side.
@chebgonaz
@chebgonaz 3 ай бұрын
A very good idea, but also a large target