The most organized FatMagic has ever been

Psychological damage isn't talked about enough. When applied effectively that person could end up throwing the game doing something stupid. Like b-lining for a sniper instead of capping the point.

Fat magic! Theres a cool trick with the heatmaker where you can get out of the scope right after a shot, so you can juke other snipers

Hey Fatmagic, been watching for a while! I think this new series is perfect, it's very entertaining and there's a lot you could do with it ( Best Demoman primary, best sniper secondary...). This also brings a new element to the channel which is a more informative video type rather than always more of a comedic type which is good (not to say your normal videos arent great lol). Keep it up!

love how this starts out professional (because Snipers are professional) and then Fatmagic's jokes come out of nowhere and at some points blend in seamlessly with the professionalism

I feel a lot more comfortable peeking corners with the classic, i'm not so great at sniper, but in most cases, i'd prefer to use the classic over any other rifle

This video was way better than I expected when you talked about making it, and I expected it to be great, so I'd love to see more of this type of video!

The best Sniper primary just so happens to be the one that has you performing so well, that you're accused of (bad) aimbot gaming frequently. Those bloody haters just can't handle the fact that you're embracing the swell of Boss Baby gaming energies by using such powerful arms.

I often compare the Classic to the Huntsman. They don't do as much damage as stock, and make you move slower while charging, but give you better awareness of your surroundings and be able to flip around in an instant.

I actually really enjoy that you're doing a video like this rather than your usual casual pub shenanigans. Thanks for making great content on both ends. Excited for more videos like this in between your usual stuff.

I actually really like this format of video, I can appreciate your takes on these weapons. I hope you make more like this!

Beautiful video. Totally diferent from every other tierlist. Great for casual players.

I know everyone is saying it already but I’ve been watching for a long time and you should 100% make this a series! I love balancing your funny videos with your (a bit more) serious videos that still have your charm. You should do this for every class even if you don’t play them much because no one knows better than boss baby.

6:30 "fuck the huntsman" That would be pretty painful ngl.

the bargain is just easily the best. once you get past the -50% charge time threshold (which isn't even that much of a downside like like the machina has, just wait to charge a shot before peeking) its exactly like stock, and from that point onward can get 2 and a half times stronger than stock for playing normally, hell even more aggressively once you get more kills since you charge so much faster, which means less risk in taking really fast, up close shots. and even if you do die, its not hard to get them back given you're playing sniper in the first place, unlike something like air strike or demoknight. fun fact on that, the bazaar bargain, air strike, and eyelander can have their kills transferred to yourself or the enemy if you kill them or get killed by them if they're wielding one of them, and have any amount of kills on them above 0. for example killing a demoknight with 3 heads as an air strike soldier will get you 4 kills, since you get the three kills the demoknight did prior, plus for killing the demoknight.

Since every sniper rifle minus the Sydney Sleeper still does 150 damage, they're still pretty much viable and you just need to change depending of your playstyle. Bazaar Bargain is probably the most -broken- powerful since it's almost impossible to counter it with the faster charging.

Glad to see you make this video, gonna be interesting to see what kind of different content you come up with moving forward!

I feel like the best way to make the classic more conventionally useful would be to make it so that when it nails a headshot and explodes an enemy, any enemies or buildings around it are damaged. Maybe something like a flat 75 health if you're right next to him and then it falls off a bit if you're further away until it just does nothing at all.

This video was great! Very well informed and collected list! Would love to see more content like this in the future like the secondary and melee list for sniper!

I remember when the machina had just been added and I got my genuine machina and just went on a rampage. The sound it made when I cored the enemy team like an apple by killing like five people with a charged shot as soon as the gate opened made me feel like a god, it was incredible. Good times.

I just like using the heatmaker because it’s quiet. In mid- to close-quarters, or when you’re in a good hiding/sniping spot, not making much sound can make a big difference. Also, I like going against the metas while still being effective.

I think my favorite moment as huntsman sniper back when I could play was when I pinned a medic’s body to the wall and watched as their 20 health heavy desperately called medic at the corpse before dying

I remember a long time ago, there was a sniper on my team who was incredibly nutty and hitting most of his shots. He was using the Sydney sleeper because “I like it”. Anyway, the enemy team got so pissed that 4 of them went scorch shot pyro and targeted him. They lost the round shortly after due to having no power classes or engineers

I am actually happy that fatmagic can help me decide a primary for the sniper because I have just been around the board of choosing one sniper weapon but now I can get a secons oppinion on choosing.

Honestly, I used the Heater, but not Focus while I was learning. Intentionally handicapping my ability to bodyshot really helped me get better at Sniper, since it kinda forced me to headshot. Once I started using the Bargain and Stock, I was hitting headshot after headshot.

7:51 That ragdoll was so good lmao!

I still so love the Sydney Sleeper. I love the faster charge rate and marking heavies, soldiers, and demos so my team can deal with them. Also full charged body shot on a medic is funny

Good tierlist, I especially appreciate you talking about the Sleeper + SMG combo because it's actually really good across many situations and does tons of psychological damage because the enemy team becomes horrified that they just got charged down by a SMG using maniac who just took a long range piss on them. Also the rage the body shots causes makes the enemy gamers 'bad because mad'.

This was actually a really good video, very fun and informative, love it! Never be afraid of trying new things!

The classic for sure. You need practice and time but once you get good the gun never ends

Hitman heat maker has hidden tech. The fact that scoping and shooting are separate in focus mode.

Ah yes, the Sydney Sleeper SMG Sniper strat. It actually works rather well, I use this a lot even though it is far from the best that one can do with sniper, because it's fun and I'm not playing sniper often. Your charge rate is like a bazaar bargain with 3 heads, so that bodyshot-esque playstyle you mentioned you switch to when at 4+ heads can be applied here as well. It does have some sort of headshot mechanic technically, but it was actually more powerful back when on headshot, rather than minitcrits, it would just coat an entire area in jarate. It was banned in competitive for this reason.

I reall enjoyed this type of video,I've been here for a while and i liked this just as much as your other videos if not more! You should definately keep this going as a series and maybe go on to talk about secondary and melee weapons for sniper and (maybe) some other classes in the near future.Good job Fatmagic !

AWP part: being a Sniper main that brings pain wherever you go Me: I'm a trash Sniper that just likes to hear the sound when I practice

The bazaar bargain is a weird weapon, from my experience using it, i feel like the more heads you get, the easier it is to headshot people

Snipers best primary is the kukri, it deals as much damage as one.

A little trick with the heatmaker You can instantly unscope when you use the focus but you have to press mouse 2 manually to do it Very useful if you are fighting multiple sniper since most of them wait for you to be a sitting duck after firing Also if I'm not mistaken it also removes your flinching when taking damage in focus mode But overall i only use it because it's supressed and it separate people head like the eyelander

fm: *has played sniper for 1007.7 hrs* local therapist: "I just don't get how you haven't gone insane yet!"

7:51 THE WAY THAT SOLDIER FLIPPED IM CRYING 💀

I love the DOOM music addition. I think it really fits that moment. Also, i dont think its normal that it took me less than 2 seconds to recognize it and have title and the rest of the whole soundtrack in my head.

Anyone: *plays sniper* The rest of the server: EMOTIONAL DAMAGE

The only thing they fear is *Obese Magician* I think we would like to see full length montage, maybe even with elements of Gun Sync. Like Oyff's one with Doom Eternal.

I really want to use the Sydney Sleeper more often; it can still "headshot"-kill a soldier at full charge, and dousing teammates just by shooting at them is strangely satisfying... ...I just wished it could still quickscope "headshot"-kill snipers like the other rifles.

Really like the format of this one!

The Machina and the AWPer Hand are the Dopamine Factories for Sniper, using them is almost orgasmic. Change my mind. 😩

I have heard Fatmagic sort of be serious when making a video, what a weird day.

Great video! I liked the way you incorporated fun moments into a relatively organized take. It makes the video both fun and informative

For me, the bazaar bargain will always be my go-to. It was my first sniper primary unlock, and I think I just got attached to it and the snowballing game-play.

I love these info videos, and I'm really glad you stepped out of your comfort zone to try this. This turned out really well!

The quiet doom music over the AWP is the icing on this delicious headshot cake

This is pretty well edited. Wouldn't mind seeing more vids like this in the future.

if you wanna be sneaky, use stock. if you want to dominate the choke, use the Machina. if you want to dominate the whole server, use the Bazar Bargain.

I like the psychological horror of the Sidney sleeper Whit jarate and bushwaka CALL ME THE PISS MANN

Soldier did a backflip after dying to the AWP and I am DYING from laughter. I did 𝙉𝙊𝙏 expect that. Awesome rundown of the primaries of our beloved main, dude.

Damn, I loved this perspective and format from you. I really appreciate the time you spend on the script. Good flow of info and your thought are well composed. More of this please!!!

The classic is my go to weapon to counter any explosive jump class (and jetpack pyros). I can detect them easily. A hit mid air or as the land follow by the SMG is enought to kill them. Although I always land on hightower or harvest, so maybe I just run into so many troldiers so I see that use a lot.

It’s no coincidence that many times when asking someone with tons of time on a class, Stock ranks near or at top for most weapons. Sometimes the consistency is more valuable than any gimmick

The voice over of serious FatMagic is uncanny. But, still. It's a nice video.

duck mode is the cutest way to represent standing around and doing nothing

ive noticed this in both modded cs 1.6 and tf2 reskins. even if the weapons are the exact same, the appearence and sound gives them a certain feel that just makes em feel better and more comfortable sometimes which can help you get better

My entire experience as a sniper main would be “how tf did I hit that, how tf did I miss that, I was aiming for the other guy but I’ll take it”

FatMagic: "What is the BEST Sniper Primary in TF2?" Also FatMagic: "Yes"

Hidden pro of the Classic: it shares the sick hl1 sniper rifle sound

It's funny how the Huntsman is just like intentionally broken. If you get an arrow anywhere within a player's world collision hull (which is like a big box around their character), the arrow will warp to the closest body part.

I've found the Sydney Sleeper works well with the jarate and bushwacka for a hyper-agressive sniper playstyle if you dislike the huntsman.

Wow this is a lot different to what i use to watch on the Fatmagic channel....my thoughts? It's awesome. Love it! I would say keep making these types of videos (only if you enjoy making these of course). I will always watch your videos Fatmagic!

The faint Athletic Theme from Super Mario used as the outro's bgm made me think my phone was ringing.

As a person who put 1200+ hours into Sniper over ten years and more than half of that was only using the huntsman, I can say your Tier List is on point, with one biased exception. No one would put huntsman in S tier because nothing can truly "replace" a headshot hit-scan weapon. But to me, huntsman is S tier at minimum A tier. The amount of times I was able to shut down an entire server based off of my map knowledge and the triangulation of my release time at the right corners, the arrow speed and how it matches with the spawn timing and movement speed of the enemy classes on the other team. That kind of 6-dimensional chess was something few shooters have been able to give me, aside from Tribes i guess.. (rest in peace). Which instantly puts it in S tier in context of TF2's old weapon design philosophy of weapons giving players new ways to play the class. It succeeded in that regard. Its a shame its right-hand-man the Darwin shield got nerfed into an oblivious anti-pyro item.

2:54 - This is why I love tf2 Firefight is going on with rockets and bullets flying everywhere, a black scottish demolition expert decides it's time to man(n) up and charges the point with a sword and a mighty scream Good shit

This video is what happens when someone goes to fat magics house and steals all his caffeine and sugar

7:51 Soldier is doing leap of faith LOL

Why the classic is the best:you can finally roam around the map while having full charge and not scoped in

being referred to as "those three snipers" is even better then being called a hacker

7:29 His kill sound to get more dopamine with the doom music.

some ideas for reworks (not saying i think these should be implemented, just throwing out ideas here) heatmaker: during focus, headshots deal mini crits instead of crits. during focus, if you miss a shot, it will automatically headshot the nearest enemy head to the crosshair. keeps other existing stats machina: instead of its existing damage boost, shots crit and deal 33% more damage when hitting multiple targets, but you still cant noscope, and still fires tracers. this still makes you more vulnerable, but allows you to deal insane damage with good positioning and aim. 33% specifically because a instant shot is 50 damage, 150 with a crit. 150+30% is 199.5, which rounds up to exactly 200 damage (if damage rounds down by default, which i doubt, it would be 34% damage boost) classic: max charge is halved, so instead of 450 max headshot damage, 300 damage but takes less total time to charge up bazaar bargain: no noscopes, i think it would fit perfectly into this weapons stats sydney sleeper: should have a jarate splash effect whether it hits a player or the map, this would make the jarate on it actually useful instead of the main upside being the faster charge. some people might think this would make the weapon overpowered, but really it would need this to compete with 150 instant damage headshots huntsman: headshots deal mini crit damage, +25 hp on wearer (this would definately upset huntsman enthusiasts, but it would still be simple but a good design)

7:25 POV: mom didn’t buy you smuckers uncrustables, and you are *Anger*

These are a fun variety on your usual content

Hey brother! All of your points were actually very simple and easy to digest. I'd like to point out that informative videos, created the way you designed this video. Are extremely helpful and effective

I feel like you glanced past sniper duck too fast lmao. Comedy gold

Hey I loved this video! Great pacing, loved the humor, and the change on pace. As long as it’s fatmagic, I know I’m in for a good time. Keep up the great work

Holy shit a tier list video that isn't long and is actually fair unlike others

Most organized FatMagic will ever be. He's gonna go back to taking performance enhancing narcotics and eating drywall. Lets all take a moment to enjoy this video featuring OrganizedMagic.

I like it when they explode, so I got a Hale's Own Classic

The only thing that can rival an Awper hand sniper is a heavy who's had his sandvich stolen by a scout as he was trying to give it to an injured medic.

Long answer: they all have their advantages and drawbacks but at the end of the day it’s all on you to hit shots. Short answer: p i s s r i f l e

The Classic is my main pick because it helps me to be more aware of my surroundings while charging a headshot. My first headshot with it really caught me off guard lol

For general use: Stock. If you can actually hit headshots: Bazaar Bargain. If you can't hit headshots: Sydney Sleeper.

The classic is literally just the same sniper rifle from TFC. Same skin (just higher res), you have to be on the ground to shoot, and to charge independently from scoping, and you have to be fully charged (but it takes less time in TFC), but the weird line that appears while charging a shot does not appear in the original game along with the faint tracer round.

The hitmans heatmaker is such a cool design what i think they should do to change it is that by default it always does the tracer rounds but when focus you dont show a tracer rounds and you could even just throw in that your kills dont show up on kill cam

Thank you for making me not regret doing so many things just to get the AWP

Sniper’s jarate gives some serious postal dude vibes Piss on people and yourself to extinguish fire

really good video, what I usually miss from infographic tf2 videos is a bit of spicy gameplay

the hitman's heatmaker's property of being unable to unscope while the ability thingy is active is doubly useless since there's literally an option in the advanced settings tab to make it so sniper automatically scopes back in after you fire a shot

It pleases me you recognize the raw power of the AWPer Hand.

best sniper rifle is lmaobox

"When they are in pain, you control the tide of battle"

Sound is very important to boost the morale of your team and to scare the enemy, Fatmagic understands psychological warfare

love love love this new video format man keep shaking things up like this!! 👍👍

The Bazaar Bargain is just a straight upgrade to stock. Its one and only downside is negated entirely by 2 headshot kills.

Honestly, I think that The Classic should be above the Heatmaker for sure. The Heatmaker has no real upsides outside of MvM, while the Classic (while still fairly weak) at least has its own little niche as an in-between with the Huntsman and a normal rifle. Not being forced into scope is very, very nice. And while bodyshots can't one-shot Medics, unlike the Heatmaker, they CAN one-shot 125 classes. I'd definitely swap the Heatmaker and Classic, but apart from that, fun video!