What is the Oldest Song You Know?

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@thepoopybaby8160
@thepoopybaby8160 2 жыл бұрын
Caveman beating on sticks was very influential for noise rock
@theflyingdonkeypunch
@theflyingdonkeypunch 2 жыл бұрын
I mean yeah, if you're a poser. Their earlier stuff was better
@ericb.4313
@ericb.4313 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know, I think if cavemen made music, it'd sound more like Helmet. For the record, I like Helmet, but you can't argue "Meantime" (the album) is troglodyte as hell.
@thomasffrench3639
@thomasffrench3639 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly it sounds more like baroque punk
@RemcoM013
@RemcoM013 2 жыл бұрын
Filthyfrank reference?
@ozzylennon007
@ozzylennon007 2 жыл бұрын
Amoeba music was better omg born in wrong generation
@jacksongatens2419
@jacksongatens2419 2 жыл бұрын
The song that immediately comes to mind for me is “The House of the Rising Sun” the oldest possible origin of the song is from a 16th century broadside ballad by the name of “The Unfortunate Rake”
@MJEvermore853
@MJEvermore853 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting 👍👍👍
@andresvkfouri
@andresvkfouri 2 жыл бұрын
but back then there wasn't even a house in new orleans
@mrrodgers5871
@mrrodgers5871 2 жыл бұрын
The Unfortunate Rake is far more directly connected to "Streets of Loredo" than "House of the Rising Sun." The concept of a dude with bad luck and bad experiences is not exclusive to House, and the musical structures of melody, implied harmony, and lyrics don't particularly aim to House.
@ethanwebb7293
@ethanwebb7293 2 жыл бұрын
He made a vid on that
@treyslider6954
@treyslider6954 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrrodgers5871 Right, but we're looking for the oldest song the average person would know. Saying that "House of the RIsing Sun" doesn't count because "Streets of Loredo" has a stronger ties to it's "The Unfortunate Rake" lineage is like saying Richard Lionheart doesn't count as a famous king because his brother Henry was the one actually named after their father.
@tecpaocelotl
@tecpaocelotl 2 жыл бұрын
Two songs that come in mind is Xicochi Conetzintle Xochipitzahuac. It's an old cradle song from before the conquest of Mexico that has been "beowulfed" with some Christian ideas. I usually hear it around Christmas and usually sing it to my daughter when I try to get her to sleep. Another song that I always hear is Bolom Chon. It's another old song that existed before the conquest though its obvious the instruments used has been modify. Jorge Gutierrez has the song always in his works.
@Christiangjf
@Christiangjf 2 жыл бұрын
What are those songs called today?
@Mousy677
@Mousy677 2 жыл бұрын
i love the use of "beowulf" as a verb; i'm going to start peppering that into my conversation from now on
@jackozeehakkjuz
@jackozeehakkjuz 2 жыл бұрын
@@Christiangjf those are the names. Here's a link to the first one. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a6uWodWW2MvIeKM.html.
@AndreaCanton
@AndreaCanton 2 жыл бұрын
I think you're missing lots of pre-gregorian chants that are basically still the same since 400-500 A.D. Original music for Te Deum, Veni Creator, Alleluja are late-Roman early-Medieval and are still the same today.
@ThaetusZain
@ThaetusZain 2 жыл бұрын
Another thing about those old hymns is tuning, a lot of cultures not touched by pythagoras have very different tuning systems. Probably done by ear "whatever sounds right". I wouldn't be surprised if most of them where tuned by the song in between songs and the tuning was part of the performers "mark". Like guitar tone is used today.
@asd1234asd1234asd
@asd1234asd1234asd 2 жыл бұрын
This music brings horror to Hong Kong students. It is used in listening exams for high school public exams. It is used to fill in between recordings and the rest of the exam after the recording ends. My hands still have phantom pain when I hear this song. That mad dash to finish the writing portion of the exam is hand cramp inducing
@hart-of-gold
@hart-of-gold 2 жыл бұрын
And in Australia a tinny version reminds me of melting ice cream, it is used by ice cream vans to signal they are selling.
@kimifur
@kimifur 2 жыл бұрын
@@hart-of-gold Same in the UK (amongst other songs). In fact, there was a "phantom" ice cream van that used to play this when I was a child; I say phantom because my friends and I only ever heard it distantly, we never actually saw it. The one we saw frequently played The Liberty Bell March (a.k.a. the Monty Python's Flying Circus theme).
@matthewbowen1794
@matthewbowen1794 2 жыл бұрын
If you like 'Sumer is icumen in' then check out 'Miri it is while Sumer ilast', another medieval English folk song. They deal with similar subjects, a longing for summer and a fear of winter, and always make me think of how scary a simple changing of the seasons used to be for the majority of people. Summer meant warm weather, longer days, and access to food. Winter, on the other hand, heralded in freezing temperatures and food shortages. I wish I could say these issues had been left in the past, but unfortunately many people still struggle for food and warmth during the winter months.
@mcr9822
@mcr9822 2 жыл бұрын
Or check out Ezra Pound’s Winter is icumin in, which sums up how I feel about winter.
@itsguardiantime4928
@itsguardiantime4928 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bK6YrNR13afRiHk.html here's a link to a rendition if anyone wants to listen
@velvetbees
@velvetbees 2 жыл бұрын
Have you ever heard, "April is in My Mistress Face". It was first performed in the late 1500's and some people do know the song. It is beautiful. Our choir sang it in high school.
@coldanimal5107
@coldanimal5107 2 жыл бұрын
If being cold in Winter was so scary back then, it's really amazing some places that people chose to live in!
@danielwoodfield8772
@danielwoodfield8772 2 жыл бұрын
But does it contain one of the earliest known uses of the word "fart"
@evanc.1591
@evanc.1591 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, as a Gregorian chant nerd, I actually do know Dies Irae all the way through! It’s startlingly profound, highly suggest reading through it and listening. Aside from that, the Te Deum I think is probably one of the oldest songs I know. I think it was written in the 4th century AD.
@larsonfamilyhouse
@larsonfamilyhouse 2 жыл бұрын
Since you’re a self professed g chant nerd I’m sure you’ve been shown this a hundred times but just in case- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j82JeNh7mtuVe2Q.html
@alexclement7221
@alexclement7221 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe "Veni, veni Emmanuel" ??
@evanc.1591
@evanc.1591 2 жыл бұрын
​@@larsonfamilyhouse Yep, I've seen the movie. It's pretty damn funny, if more than a little irreverent at times. As for what they're singing, the words are the last line of the Dies Irae: "Pie Jesu Domine, dona eis requiem," or, "Loving Lord Jesus, grant them rest." However, the tune is different. It sounds like a plain reciting tone, with a harmony of an octave, and dropping by a minor third at the end. That tone is commonly used for verses and responses (in unison, not harmony), so they got that much right. The beating the heads with wood blocks? Not accurate in the slightest. But then again, it's a comedy.
@SadisticSenpai61
@SadisticSenpai61 2 жыл бұрын
I certainly don't have it memorized, but I do know Savior of the Nations, Come (in English) well enough to sing along if I were to hear it. It was also composed in the 4th Century CE, although the tune I'm familiar with is the one Luther composed for it when he translated it into German (1523). Does that count? Still older than Greensleeves, barely.
@sudosmile4232
@sudosmile4232 Жыл бұрын
bro a greg head 💀
@duncanmoore3623
@duncanmoore3623 2 жыл бұрын
"Sumer is icumen in" is actually decently well known in the UK. I remember being taught it at school in the '90s and seeing it get referenced in The Beano (a kid's comic). It's probably not as well known as Greensleeves but it's definitely more well known than most traditional folk songs imo. Obviously I realise this is made for an international audience but thought I'd point that out!
@racheltheehermit7314
@racheltheehermit7314 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not that uncommon in the United States. Rennies are fond of it. Anyone who has ever been to a Renaisance Fair has probably heard it. I first saw it in an English Literature textbook in junior high. Everyone always laughs at the part about the buck “farting.”
@juliamorton3438
@juliamorton3438 2 жыл бұрын
I recognize it from university English class as a Canadian. It's up there with Chaucer as an example of earlier English. In my family of nerds it's certainly common
@hoorooblu
@hoorooblu 2 жыл бұрын
I learned "Summer is a-coming in ..loudly sing -cuxkoo!!"" at primary school in 1970s Australia... (where we hear kookaburras not cuckoos)
@SamuelKristopher
@SamuelKristopher 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! But in those old lyrics "ye" isn't really pronounced with a "y" - it's the way they wrote "the" back in the day. So it really should be "the Lady Green Sleves". The reason why is because English used to have a different letter similar to þ to write "th" but in the early days of printing they didn't have this letter exactly and used "y" instead.
@vincegonzalez2171
@vincegonzalez2171 2 жыл бұрын
I knew that! Saw that exploration in an old YT video actually perhaps Half as Interesting or one of those channels.
@StanleyKubick1
@StanleyKubick1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this really irks me as an Icelander who still does Þ. 'You' in English should actually be 'Thoo', like the Icelandic Þú. (I'd write it with -ou, but you'd incorrectly pronounce it thou) ;)
@SamuelKristopher
@SamuelKristopher 2 жыл бұрын
@@StanleyKubick1 Yeah, Icelandic is old school cool :) actually, though, there's a difference between "you" and "thou", and "you" is unrelated to the letter Þ. Like how French has "tu" and "vous", English used to have both "thou" (informal singular 2nd person) and "you" (formal/plural 2nd person) up until around the 1800s, when "thou" basically disappeared and we started using "you" for both singular/plural/formal/informal 2nd person in all cases. Icelandic and English both come from the same Germanic language spoken around 3000 years ago, and back in this old Germanic language the pronouns were "þū" for 2nd person singular, and "juz" for 2nd person plural. Over time, "þū" changed to "thou" in English, and to "þú" in Icelandic. Eventually in English we lost "thou". Meanwhile, the old Germanic word "juz" changed in English to "you". From what I can see from etymology sites, it looks like "juz" changed in Icelandic to "þér". Language history is super interesting and it's awesome to see how much has changed and how much is still similar. Honestly, I'm a bit sad we lost the letter þ in English. I'd certainly vote to switch back to it again!
@StanleyKubick1
@StanleyKubick1 2 жыл бұрын
@@SamuelKristopher I understand the difference between the 'you' and 'thou', I just don't believe it happened the way you describe. Seeing as every Icelander still reads Old Norse natively, I'd like to submit my superior knowledge and understanding of the ancient texts as my authority ;) Great write-up otherwise, and if you're an American, I'm thoroughly impressed by your grasp of and interest in languages
@SamuelKristopher
@SamuelKristopher 2 жыл бұрын
@@StanleyKubick1 Well, what I described is the general consensus of linguists and etymologists, so I hope you don't mind too much if I trust them over your feelings of your own language. Icelandic isn't some "original" form of the Germanic language. Yes, it's more conservative and has changed less than other Germanic languages but these things are pretty well studied and documented and it's not some controversial hypothesis. It would actually require some pretty amazing intellectual gymnastics to reason that "you" is somehow a corruption of "thou". Also, Old Norse is not the original Germanic language. Proto-Germanic broke off into three branches - North, West, and East (which doesn't exist any longer). West Germanic gives us German, Dutch, and English, while the North developed into Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, and Icelandic. Like all languages, they branch out and diverge. Icelandic is just one of the branches on the Indo-European proto-language. And honestly, your comment comes off a little condescending. I studied linguistics at university and I've worked in language education for nearly 10 years now. It's not really something to be impressed about.
@markitripulis
@markitripulis 2 жыл бұрын
In Galicia "Santa Maria, Strela do Dia"(1270 approx) is still pretty well know as it's written in our dying language (technically in galician-portuguese) and it's still taught in schools (also it's a good song). It's probably also know in Portugal and maybe even Brazil and other ex Portuguese colonies. It's the oldest song that came to mind as I sometimes find myself singing it.
@estranhokonsta
@estranhokonsta 2 жыл бұрын
I can confirm that it is well known in Portugal. But unfortunately, in theses times, saying that a traditional song (whatever it is) is well known is kind of doubtful...
@pcm1011
@pcm1011 2 жыл бұрын
I lived in Coruña when I was like 5-6 and our music teacher played that song on piano and flute bc we loved how it sounds. Funny how I come across it years later lol
@EyeLean5280
@EyeLean5280 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@davigurgel2040
@davigurgel2040 2 жыл бұрын
im brazilian anf i only know that song because i research a lot on the history of Portuguese, but its not taught in schools or anything, unfortunately
@mrmangoberry8394
@mrmangoberry8394 2 жыл бұрын
This also came immediately to mind to me, and I don’t even know any Iberian languages, so I’d say that it is pretty well known.
@louis-pierreremondin391
@louis-pierreremondin391 2 жыл бұрын
In french culture, I would say "sur le pont d'Avignon" a very famous nursery rhyme, every child learns it at preschool. It's quite known abroad too, at least the melody. The actual form of the song is from the XIXth century, but it would come from XVth century (wikipedia). More anecdotal, I know a lovely voice song from the XVIth century, "Belle qui tiens ma vie" typical of what we call l'Amour Courtois (courtly love). It was popularized in 2000s by a major french tv show called Kaamelott.
@submarineinthesky8946
@submarineinthesky8946 2 жыл бұрын
That's a good point! Not French, but my mom taught me that song when I was lil, so I have another personal contender!
@louis-pierreremondin391
@louis-pierreremondin391 2 жыл бұрын
@@submarineinthesky8946 oh great! 😊
@generalZee
@generalZee 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an American who can barely speak French, but I know a fair amount of "Sur le pont D'Avingnon" so that's a great contender!
@louis-pierreremondin391
@louis-pierreremondin391 2 жыл бұрын
@@generalZee 😆👍
@sleepingcat637
@sleepingcat637 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, never heard a French nursery rhyme in my life, I may be from a continent where the French lived and made farms and I may have French blood but all that was flushed out with Afrikaans.
@ExperimentIV
@ExperimentIV 2 жыл бұрын
the earliest one i thought of was “Drømde mik en drøm i nat” which is less recognisable but it’s probably 200 years older than greensleeves. it was used as danish radio’s signoff sound, i think? idk i’ve just heard the tune before and now i know it lol
@TorchwoodPandP
@TorchwoodPandP 2 жыл бұрын
It was written down with the notes along with the text. Hence its fame in Denmark. It has been used as a pause signal on the radio, and expanded in modern time.
@BlastedRodent
@BlastedRodent 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was going to comment that one. The combination of being written in runes and having musical notation is quite striking
@ExperimentIV
@ExperimentIV 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlastedRodent it’s so cool! and although the notation is fairly basic it has everything you need for a basic interpretation
@ExperimentIV
@ExperimentIV 2 жыл бұрын
@@TorchwoodPandP lol i didnt know how to translate paussignal from swedish/danish/norwegian/etc so i used signoff sound in the original comment
@eraigames
@eraigames 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Southern Japan and the culture there has more in common with the Ryukyu culture (present day Okinawa and Taiwan) than with Japanese culture. I grew up singing lots of Ryukyu folk songs. Some were probably relatively modern, but some were likely from 1000 to 2000 BCE judging by the usage of words that were more common in that bygone era than they are now.
@lindawolffkashmir2768
@lindawolffkashmir2768 2 жыл бұрын
I want to flip this. A thousand+ years from now, will any of today’s artists be relevant? Can even The Beatles withstand the test of time? Or Elvis? You may think so, but unfortunately, people’s memories when it comes to popular music are quite short. You only remember some of them when you hear them on an oldies station or something. Especially one-hit-wonder songs, which are not tied to any really popular artist. A quick example of this is to see how many hits from the 20s or 30s you can think of. Songs pass through the societal consciousness so quickly. Yes, they can all be written down and recorded now, compared to just being passed on by memory and word of mouth, but sitting in some unused music book on a dusty shelf is just another way of forgetting.
@fugithegreat
@fugithegreat 2 жыл бұрын
I just looked up the top 36 hit songs from the year 1900, and I only recognize two of the titles. If I heard them I might recognize more, but I doubt I'd be familiar with more than 5 (this coming from someone who regularly listens to "grandma music" haha). The vast majority of pop music is destined to die when their listeners die and culture has moved on.
@CaptainHoratioPugwash
@CaptainHoratioPugwash 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is a fascinating thought experiment of sorts because I think services like Spotify, KZfaq and the ease & affordability of large capacity storage devices could change the way music is 'remembered' and enjoyed. Technological advances in the last 15 years or so could be really pivotal in this regard and we are in the thick of it right now.
@GoAndLive
@GoAndLive 2 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainHoratioPugwash I couldn’t agreee with you more
@bernhardkrickl3567
@bernhardkrickl3567 2 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainHoratioPugwash I think the Internet is already now changing the way music is remembered. I think nowadays kids, youths, and young adults are much more open to exploring older music because they can do it by themselves for free without the music being framed as "stuff only old people listen to". This framing happens automatically when you only ever hear "old" music when "old" people are around.
@voyatzo
@voyatzo 2 жыл бұрын
@@CaptainHoratioPugwash in a thousand years they won't be able to explore the contemporary storage units. If there is a continuity in western civilization then perhaps all music will have been transferred from one medium to another uninterrupted, but I highly doubt it. Also we should not forget that most likely the prevailing language of 3022ac will be quite different than contemporary English.
@a.vanwijk2268
@a.vanwijk2268 2 жыл бұрын
For Dutch people it simply is the national anthem of the Netherlands "Wilhelmus van Nassaue". The text dates from somewhere between 1568 and 1572. The melody was added a little later, but came from a French song that is at least as old as 1568, but maybe older.
@Cheezus
@Cheezus 2 жыл бұрын
I'll never forget the kid in my music class ask "how do we know what Greensleeves sounded like" while looking at the sheet music...then it dawned on him.
@Glasshouse828
@Glasshouse828 2 жыл бұрын
In a similar vein to greensleeves there is another late medieval song called “Tempus Adest Floridum” which was written in the 1300s and is basis for to melody to the Christmas carol “Good King Wenceslas”
@fabrisseterbrugghe8567
@fabrisseterbrugghe8567 2 жыл бұрын
In Dulci Jubilo is another.
@fnjesusfreak
@fnjesusfreak 2 жыл бұрын
There is a translation of (the clean version of) Tempus adest floridum in one of the hymnals in my collection, apparently by Percy Dearmer, and entitled "Spring has now unwrapped the flowers". (And yes, it's set to that tune.)
@tessjuel
@tessjuel 2 жыл бұрын
@@fabrisseterbrugghe8567 That's a very good point. "In Dulci Jubilo" should be well enough known and the tune we know is known from a 1420 manuscript, The lyrics is even older, dating back to the 14th century. But when we talk about well known Christmas hymns, there's "Puer Natus in Betlehem" ("A Child is born in Bethlehem") which is even older.
@k.c1126
@k.c1126 2 жыл бұрын
I think the Christmas carols are probably our best bet for old songs that are still widely known by people today. While a lot of the older liturgical music has been forgotten, lost or discarded, the tunes of the carols seem to have survived by having new words applied to them every few generations.
@petercolquhoun2086
@petercolquhoun2086 2 жыл бұрын
@@k.c1126 I agree. I guessed that "The Twelve Days of Christmas" was the oldest tune I knew. All I can find is that it is a "traditional melody".
@archer1949
@archer1949 2 жыл бұрын
“La Folia”. A tune that originated somewhere in the Iberian peninsula in the High Middle Ages (13th to 14th) and spread throughout throughout Europe later on. Used a lot in variations by Renaissance and Baroque composers.
@jkhowlingstories3660
@jkhowlingstories3660 2 жыл бұрын
Great, so it's one of the oldest known songs most people would recognize?
@katekeeney2703
@katekeeney2703 2 жыл бұрын
I'll say that if you know a poem written before 1500, you probably know a really old song! Most poetic traditions have their roots in music, and a lot of poetry was designed explicitly to be sung. The bible falls into the same category, especially things like the psalms and song of songs.
@coolmikefromcanada
@coolmikefromcanada 2 жыл бұрын
Oh I love to try singing poems some times
@mcr9822
@mcr9822 2 жыл бұрын
I remember a radio show had a question about the oldest rock and roll song, with people calling in with answers. The answer they were looking for was “Turn Turn Turn” by the Birds, the lyrics of which are from Ecclesiastes.
@kohhna
@kohhna 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately we don't know the tune the Psalms were meant to be sung to. In Ireland we have poems in the oldest form of Gaeilgé that were written by monks in the 500s, but obviously from their content based on older pagan philosophical principles. They might well have had music to them but it's anyone's guess what it would have sounded like.
@MJEvermore853
@MJEvermore853 2 жыл бұрын
@@mcr9822, 'Morning Has Broken' by Cat Stevens also has lyrics from the book of Psalms, I believe.
@pipe2devnull
@pipe2devnull 2 жыл бұрын
Rick Beato featured Earl of Essex Galliard by John Downey on his channel recently. Downey died in 1626. Beato bought a record of it when young, however I don't think it is that popular today.
@brooksrownd2275
@brooksrownd2275 2 жыл бұрын
John Dowland
@stephenspackman5573
@stephenspackman5573 2 жыл бұрын
@@brooksrownd2275 I didn't think Beato was _that_ old. I wouldn't have put him a day over 300.
@Mysterytour7
@Mysterytour7 2 жыл бұрын
Peter Pringle's rendition of Hurrian Hymn to Nykkal is a banger.
@jackkardic5151
@jackkardic5151 2 жыл бұрын
His intro to the Epic of Gilgamesh gives me goosebumps every time
@hurdygurdyguy1
@hurdygurdyguy1 Жыл бұрын
And his rendition of Lament for Enkidu by Gilgamesh is outstanding!!
@ahe1009
@ahe1009 2 жыл бұрын
it’s so cool to learn about something, like music, that connects all people across time
@emmathornburg7300
@emmathornburg7300 2 жыл бұрын
The musical Six starts with the greensleeves melody and I was always really confused why they were playing "what child is this". Now it makes a lot more sense
@Glassandcandy
@Glassandcandy 2 жыл бұрын
Just started watching if the Seikilos epitaph isn’t here I’m going to RIOT Update: I finished and there was no mention of the Seikilos epitaph. I am genuinely surprised. This is the oldest piece of music to be preserved in its entirety in a legible form of musical notation, complete with original lyrics and we know exactly the instrumentation that was to be used (sometime between the 1st-2nd century A.D.). It’s so well preserved that we don’t have to “reconstruct” it, we know exactly what it is supposed to sound like, just like we do with medieval music that was actually preserved in manuscript form. moreover, it’s extremely commonly used in documentaries on the ancient world and in historical games including Civilization and Assassins creed Odyssey, so if you’ve ever watched one of those or played a game set in Ancient Greece or Rome, you’ve probably heard it at least once.
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 2 жыл бұрын
I think that is the tune, or a derivation of it, that is being used as the basis of the song Nero (Peter Ustinov) is composing in the movie "Quo Vadis".
@Mark-ye2tn
@Mark-ye2tn 2 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment. I may be making an assumption here, but if one is a music student at university studying western music, the epitaph of seikilos is the first thing in the Oxford History of Western Music by Tarusken.
@amt253
@amt253 2 жыл бұрын
Probably a weird thing to say, but the Song of Seikilos regularly pops into my head, and I’m devastated it wasn’t celebrated in this video. Still a gorgeous melody. It still lives.
@IcarusRuthven
@IcarusRuthven 2 жыл бұрын
As I recall, there is *some* room for interpretation. Was it a capella or accompanied, and what would that sound like? That sort of thing. But by his criteria - probably recognizable to the people who originally performed it as we perform it today - I'd agree it's a likely fit. As for its modern audience, Minecraft's official Greek Mythology DLC uses an arrangement of it that thousands, if not millions, heard in the last decade. Pretty cool.
@Psyfive
@Psyfive 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, when I read the title my instant thought was Seikolos Epitaph. I was sad to not see it mentioned.
@mikecaetano
@mikecaetano 2 жыл бұрын
"To Anacreon in Heaven" (1780) gets a lot of play melody wise...
@moesha7143
@moesha7143 2 жыл бұрын
I would say Auld Lang Syne is the oldest song most Brits know and are regularly exposed to as its sung every new year
@CaptainHoratioPugwash
@CaptainHoratioPugwash 2 жыл бұрын
I love it when I run into people talking about Burns in the wild. I drive past his grave most days!
@AM-kr4pv
@AM-kr4pv 2 жыл бұрын
I think they sing it in the US as well, not sure about other anglophone countries
@BrianClem
@BrianClem 2 жыл бұрын
We sing this song every year at my elementary school. It's a must know song in my opinion.
@MJEvermore853
@MJEvermore853 2 жыл бұрын
In the US, it is traditionally sung immediately after the clock strikes 12 am on New Years Eve/Day.
@watsonwrote
@watsonwrote 2 жыл бұрын
@@AM-kr4pv Yeah, it's sung in the US and interestingly enough, is the song that plays in most Japanese convenience stores when they're closing every night
@k-majik
@k-majik 2 жыл бұрын
To me, Greensleeves is the song that the Mr Whippy ice cream van plays, eerily echoing through the streets, sometimes loud and right outside the door, sometimes quiet and who knows where, as he slowly drives around Perth, Western Australia. I was terrified of it as a child, and I still am.
@natebalcerak1659
@natebalcerak1659 2 жыл бұрын
Whoa... That's heavy, mate.
@roseduste80
@roseduste80 2 жыл бұрын
Same in South Australia. Mr Whippy, slowly creeping along the street. It's a delightful yet simultaneously ominous melody.
@egbront1506
@egbront1506 2 жыл бұрын
The best thing about ice-cream vans is the doppler effect when they approach and then start moving away. It makes the tunes sound even creepier.
@generalZee
@generalZee 2 жыл бұрын
Technically the "Jizz" song "Mad About Me" (The Star Wars Cantina Song) comes from about 2000 BCE canonically.
@ratbones620
@ratbones620 2 жыл бұрын
“A significant amount of all the music ever made has been completely lost to time.” Wow. That’s actually so depressing if you think about it. So many songs people worked very hard to master and play will likely never be heard again.
@nedisahonkey
@nedisahonkey 2 жыл бұрын
Literally all of human achievements will eventually be reduced to ash. Dust to dust. It's only depressing if you think of humans as particularly significant in the universe.
@JockoJonson17
@JockoJonson17 2 жыл бұрын
Except Sturgeons Law: "90% of everything is crap".
@stephenderry9488
@stephenderry9488 2 жыл бұрын
I just came here to hum "This isn't a significant amount of all the music ever made. This is just a tribute."
@coldanimal5107
@coldanimal5107 2 жыл бұрын
A significant amount of all the music I've ever made has been completely lost to time, so it's probably more amazing just how much has actually survived from the centuries before recording technology!
@karawethan
@karawethan 2 жыл бұрын
It's sad from a certain perspective, but the reality is that even if you spent every waking minute listening to music, you wouldn't get through more than an infinitesimal fraction of it. That's actually already the case. Just on KZfaq, hundreds of hours of music are uploaded every minute. Sometimes (and especially in the arts) it's good for things to be lost to time. I don't believe there is much value in preserving music just for the sake of preservation unless it a) actually means something to people in the present or b) gives us insight into music history. And even the latter is ultimately still about the present, as it's trying to get at the question of "how did we get here?" Beyond that, every generation decides what music is worth remembering and carrying on. The important thing is that people are actively involved and engaged in music, and not just treating it as a thing to be consumed or collected.
@oniz12
@oniz12 2 жыл бұрын
What about the Seikilos Epitaph? If I recall correctly it's one of the oldest known complete melodies with accompanying lyrics in Greek. The message of the lyrics is also pretty cool.
@liamallen100
@liamallen100 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest songs that are still performed regularly that I can think of are Christmas carols, such as the Coventry Carol and Gaudete, both also from the 16th Century. My school choir also used to sing 'Adam Lay Ybounden', which could be from as early as 1400.
@DrumWild
@DrumWild 2 жыл бұрын
Black Betty. From what I've read, it's at least 400 years old. Now time to watch the video.
@davidbanan.
@davidbanan. 2 жыл бұрын
What?!
@Alberto-ny7kf
@Alberto-ny7kf 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidbanan. black betty bambalam
@JoeHopkinsmusic
@JoeHopkinsmusic 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest song I know is Be Thou My Vision. The tune is from the 8th century and became a popular hymn again in the 1920's. My wife and I had it in our playlist when we were a gospel folk act and I always loved playing it.
@BlueManIan
@BlueManIan 2 жыл бұрын
I love that song! Didn't know the tune was that old!
@JoeHopkinsmusic
@JoeHopkinsmusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlueManIan The words are even older, from the 6th century I believe.
@fnjesusfreak
@fnjesusfreak 2 жыл бұрын
"Be thou my vision" is one of my favorite hymns and has always so been.
@teleriferchnyfain
@teleriferchnyfain 2 жыл бұрын
I just love this tune
@k.c1126
@k.c1126 2 жыл бұрын
I've sung other songs to this tune as well, without realizing the tune itself was that old.
@MoriaCity
@MoriaCity 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest song I know of would be "El cant de la Sibila" It is sung at Midnight Mass at Christmas on the island of Mallorca. The current form dates from the fifteenth century, but the song is named in manuscripts from France in the 800s. In the late middle ages it was sung throughout Europe but was prohibited by the Council of Trent in 1563. I'm not sure why it survived on the island, but I listen to it every year, and I know a lot of its verses.
@maximeteppe7627
@maximeteppe7627 2 жыл бұрын
oh, it's been covered by dead can dance too! I didn't know that song might have origins so early in history though. That's fascinating.
@MoriaCity
@MoriaCity 2 жыл бұрын
@@maximeteppe7627 I did not know the version of this band. Love it.
@ob1quixote
@ob1quixote 2 жыл бұрын
The words to “Deck the Halls” aren't that old, but the tune also goes back to the 16th century.
@MJEvermore853
@MJEvermore853 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't know that. Very interesting.
@shadowcween7890
@shadowcween7890 2 жыл бұрын
source, please. I would like to see what earlier words could ever be
@AstralArbourSys
@AstralArbourSys 2 жыл бұрын
@@shadowcween7890 It likely didn't have any but if it did I'm also interested
@happyron
@happyron 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome back! This makes me feel like my "older" music, really isn't that old
@Iconoclasher
@Iconoclasher 2 жыл бұрын
As far as charting pop songs, "Danny Boy" is a contender. Jim Reeves mentioned in a concert 60 years ago that it was "400 years old". Many artists have covered it over the years. (the gist of the song is a father talking to his son)
@larsonfamilyhouse
@larsonfamilyhouse 2 жыл бұрын
My pipes used to bang all the time at my old place and I’d think of that song often lol
@tessjuel
@tessjuel 2 жыл бұрын
The lyrics to "Danny Boy" was written in 1913. The tune as we know it was first published in 1855 as "Londonderry Air". It's not clear where the tune came from but it has been suggested it's a distorted version of "The Last Rose of Summer" which dates back to the late 18th Century. In any case, it's certianly not anywhere near 400 years old.
@Iconoclasher
@Iconoclasher 2 жыл бұрын
@@tessjuel You could be right.
@pielover204
@pielover204 2 жыл бұрын
arguably the most iconic film usage of Dies Irae is from the score of The Shining. it’s the main theme! just the melody!
@super_ficial
@super_ficial 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest song that I know of is, 'Greensleeves' no one knows how wrote it, but it goes back to at least Henry the eighth. The oldest lyrics that I know of is from the song, 'Turn, Turn ,Ture' by the byrds. It's from the book of Ecclesiastes (The Bible).
@super_ficial
@super_ficial 2 жыл бұрын
@@babywolfg The flesh is are habitat because the flesh is our habit.
@richa7118
@richa7118 2 жыл бұрын
That old folkie Pete Seeger put the Words to music. His version is excellent. The Byrds version is perfection. .
@super_ficial
@super_ficial 2 жыл бұрын
@@richa7118 No doubt that they were both moved by the holy spirit.
@larsonfamilyhouse
@larsonfamilyhouse 2 жыл бұрын
@@super_ficial and Jefferson Airplane’s Good Shepherd
@tessjuel
@tessjuel 2 жыл бұрын
Just to correct a common myth, "Greensleeves" does not date back to the time of Henry the eight! Richard Jones registered the lyrics as a "new dittye" in 1580, 33 years after Henry VIII's death. There's no way he could have got away with that if the words were already known. As for the music, it's based on the Bergamasca chord progression, one of the progressions popular across Europe during the late 16th and early 17th Century (yes, they had cliché chord progressions back then too). This style did exist in Italy and Spain towards the end of Henry VIII's life but there's no evidence of it further north until the big Italian fad durign Elizabeth I's reign. Henry VIII did actually write and arrange quite a lot of very good music in his youth but it was all in an older and very different French style
@chrisnemec5644
@chrisnemec5644 2 жыл бұрын
One aspect you did not mention is the origins of modern sheet music: the Cantigas of Santa Maria. Hailing from Castille what is now Spain, they were written circa 1221-1284. The king of the area at the time, Alfonso X, was a big patron of music, and found that there was no standard for writing music down so that it may be enjoyed for many years to come. Alfonso commissioned some clerics to devise a system of making music notations so that any musician could read it and be able to play the song. Until I saw this video, the oldest song I knew of was Cantiga 1. This is probably the first song we can say that it is reasonable to play it exactly as it was created in the 13th century.
@FeltNokia
@FeltNokia 2 жыл бұрын
One song that comes to mind for me is the Agincourt Carol, which Wikipedia tells me was likely written in the early 1400s. Greensleeves is probably second place, though! Great video.
@rolandropnack4370
@rolandropnack4370 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not familiar with english tradition, but there are medieval songs from Germany elder than Greensleeves and still part of the Canon. The (today sadly out-of-fashion, but still known) Folksong "Innsbruck ich muß Dich lassen" was composed ca. 1485. At the same time, the manuscript "Glogauer Liederbuch" samples not only some songs with text and melody, but even whole sets of voices. The still popular child song "Die Vogelhochzeit" is said to be documented in there, although I have not verified that. The eldest song, though, still to be heard, was resurrected thanks to the enormous popularity of Rennaissance Fairs. It is the "Palaestinalied" or Palestine Chant, composed by the most famous german minstrel, Walther von der Vogelweide, around 1200. This particular chant has been preserved including the melody, which led to its' popularity with Ren Fair music troupes. You will hear bagpipes playing this song on every single german Ren Fair at least once. More of Walthers song texts are known from the most popular source for german minstrel poetry, the Codex Manesse. This is a catalogue of german minstrels and their work from around 1300-1340. It is a gem not only because of the value as a historical source , but also because of its' beautiful illustrations portraying the composers. Google it, there is an online scan copy out there.
@emilyplunkett6034
@emilyplunkett6034 2 жыл бұрын
I seem to remember reading that the Great Big Sea song "Come and I Will Sing You" is a particularly ancient song. It's commonly more recognizable cousin would be "The Twelve Days of Christmas," but at the time, I read that just about every culture had their own counting song, all similar to "The Twelve Days of Christmas." I would love to know if this is true or not.
@DMAlterman
@DMAlterman 2 жыл бұрын
"Good King Wenceslas" tune most likely was written in the 1200's. The lyrics were written much later in the 1800's. "O Come Emmanuel" might have been written in the 1400's
@stuartbarker9373
@stuartbarker9373 2 жыл бұрын
The Byrds - Turn! Turn! Turn! - worthy of an honourable mention even if it's only the lyrics that are ancient.
@Sydney-Casket-Base
@Sydney-Casket-Base 2 жыл бұрын
man, thats a good song... :)
@StanleyKubick1
@StanleyKubick1 2 жыл бұрын
the oldest song I know how to play is "In the pines/Black girl" which dates back to the civil war era. the oldest one I know is probably "Scarborough Fair"
@bufordchambers7089
@bufordchambers7089 2 жыл бұрын
Turn Turn Turn there is a reason. The lyrics are based verses found in Ecclesiastes in the old testament. This book is believed to between 2200 and 2400+ years old.
@kohhna
@kohhna 2 жыл бұрын
I'm Irish and we have stuff from the 6th century, the Dinnseanchas from 544. Sean Nós vocal style of singing goes back to principles laid down in pre modern times, unfortunately though, line many other colonised peoples, we carried our culture orally and the disruption brought by invasion and cultural genocide lost us many of the specifics. That said, if one has a time machine or some such to retrieve music from pre-Norman invasion times it would I believe likely have elements distinctly recognisable as Irish and Celtic, the rolling / oscillating thing that a lot of our trad music does.
@morewi
@morewi 2 жыл бұрын
Ireland didn't get conquered entirely until the late 1500s. Don't blame others for your ancestors not writing down stuff
@kohhna
@kohhna 2 жыл бұрын
@@morewi You sound like a hun.
@kohhna
@kohhna 2 жыл бұрын
@@morewi Also, we did write a lot of stuff down, its thanks to us (and the Muslims) that the accrued knowledge of the ancient world got preserved and kept through the dark ages, so you're fucking welcome.
@morewi
@morewi 2 жыл бұрын
@@kohhna but colonizers destroyed your music? Get the story straight
@kohhna
@kohhna 2 жыл бұрын
@@morewi Amongst other things, and yes, thats what they do.
@ChessedGamon
@ChessedGamon 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not anymore, but I was raised Catholic, and "Whose Child is This" was a common hymn at my church. Nowadays, when I hear it, I get a deep feeling of nostalgia, so it's somewhat poetic to have it pop up in a video titled "The Oldest Song You Know" like that
@SplatterInker
@SplatterInker Жыл бұрын
Kinda fascinating that they adapted the tune given the legend it was written by Henry VIII for Anne Boleyn... or is the legend an attempt to anti-Catholic it??? Hmmmm
@sunrisesunset1734
@sunrisesunset1734 2 жыл бұрын
The christmas melodies are probably some of the oldest. And they certainly are beautiful.
@MJEvermore853
@MJEvermore853 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. 👍
@chrislongshaw
@chrislongshaw 2 жыл бұрын
The Beatles song ‘Golden slumbers’, although credited to Paul McCartney dates back to the Tudor period, so at least 1599 when it was mentioned in the diary of Thomas Dekker
@Gzeebo
@Gzeebo 2 жыл бұрын
A song I grew up listening to is "Krishna Ni Begane Baaro". It is a hymn composed in the 15th century by a sage called Vyasatirtha in the Kannada language of south India.
@bestpseudonym1693
@bestpseudonym1693 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest song I could confidently recognize/sing is "Bring Back My Bonnie to Me" about honoring Bonnie Prince Charlie's claim to Great Britain's throne
@carsonianthegreat4672
@carsonianthegreat4672 2 жыл бұрын
If you’re Catholic you know lots of songs older than Greensleves. The Agnus Dei, Dies Ire, Alleluia, etc are all older than that.
@ANGLBNDR
@ANGLBNDR 2 жыл бұрын
“Saltarello”, from Tuscany in the early 1400’s, is definitely an ear worm. Dead Can Dance does a great cover.
@sophroniel
@sophroniel 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a massive early music fan, so this was a great video introducing folks to my jam! Somer is icumin in, apart from being a bop and a half, is actually more widespread and well-known in europe, and that---with early, now traditional protestant hymns---are probably very much earlier than you'd think or believe, and much older than Greensleeves or even Somer is. Music has roots that run much deeper and older than we might ever be able to describe or place accurately....... and I kinda like it that way. Like your wife, I knew greensleeves as a hymn for christmas, and I think that speaks to the flexibility of music, and there is probably some ancient pattern that some singer is recreating even today.
@lynnpehrson8826
@lynnpehrson8826 2 жыл бұрын
Wicker man :)
@rfresa
@rfresa 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect that "niener niener niener," or "I'm gonna get you" may be one of them. Was it once pronounced, "Hey nonny nonny?"
@mcr9822
@mcr9822 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest song I actually know is the Epitaph of Seikilos, written ca 2nd century CE. It’s the oldest written song that has survived in its entirety (which is less impressive when you consider how short it is.) That’s kind of cheating, though, since I first learned of it in a music history class. The only place I’ve heard it, other than searching for it specifically, was in a Veritasium video about music. In a section talking about the ancient Greeks, the Epitaph of Seikilos is used as background music but not actually mentioned.
@robgronotte1
@robgronotte1 2 жыл бұрын
In the US, I would think more people would know this as the tune to the Xmas song "What Child Is This".
@francishollingshead2134
@francishollingshead2134 2 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that I know Greensleeves as a default song on Casio and Yamaha pianos. The real question is how did an English folk song become a default setting for Japanese piano manufacturers to include on their pianos.
@coldanimal5107
@coldanimal5107 2 жыл бұрын
No copyright royalties to pay, for one thing...
@user-kc7hc5ur2c
@user-kc7hc5ur2c 2 жыл бұрын
I know the rhythm of greensleeves from classic jazz giants Coleman Hawkins and John Coltrane. But I didn't know that it was a medieval folk song. Amazing video!
@TheRareVideosXL
@TheRareVideosXL 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of new information for me here. Great video. Keep it up.
@caseyglick5957
@caseyglick5957 2 жыл бұрын
I literally sing "Sumer is icumen in" on a regular basis, especially in the spring. But I recognize I am atypical in this regard.
@starry_lis
@starry_lis 2 жыл бұрын
Well, in Poland, everyone knows Bogurodzica, which is at least 700 years old (or maybe even a thousand!)
@mariolamingin
@mariolamingin 2 жыл бұрын
Właśnie miałam dać komentarz, że najstarszą pieśnią przeze mnie znaną jest Bogurodzica.
@sanguma
@sanguma 2 жыл бұрын
epitaph of seikilos hype :) *edit, great video! From what i know, and this is an excert from wikipedia: "Seikilos epitaph is the oldest surviving complete musical composition, including musical notation" i know it from a music streamer "CylindricalCake" on twitch, who playes folk songs and a version of this gem. The melody is used in the greek music theme in Civilization V OST for example
@ericrossi7039
@ericrossi7039 2 жыл бұрын
I believe Scarborough Fair is one of the most well known pieces of old folk music. Quoting from Wikipedia, "The lyrics of "Scarborough Fair" appear to have something in common with a Scottish ballad titled "The Elfin Knight", collected by Francis James Child, which has been traced as far back as 1670." Even if not that old, it's at least from the 19th century, and it's recognizable even outside English speaking countries because of Simon and Garfunkel and most recently Aurora.
@evansercombe
@evansercombe 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest song I know is called Sumer is Icumen In.. it’s an old english ballad about the return of spring. From my memory it comes from about the 12th century. The other one I know is called Miri it is which comes from about the same era, but is about dreading the return of winter instead of celebrating the return of spring.
@DominicSteMarie
@DominicSteMarie 2 жыл бұрын
I think that you should look into native american songs, songs like Huron Carol is a song with lyrics that has remained relatively unchanged, what is interesting is that the distance between two offshoots of the european called "hurons" can be found in Canada with the Huron-Wendat and as far as oklahoma with the Wyandot with clear similarities, also what is amazing is that both french Canadians and New-Englanders still sing it and all versions are quite close to eachother.
@cheesezeppelin2281
@cheesezeppelin2281 2 жыл бұрын
The old Irish folk song lord Randall the only reason I know about that song is because of Bob Dylan reworking it into A hard rain is gonna fall
@cheesezeppelin2281
@cheesezeppelin2281 2 жыл бұрын
If you find a time and have the patience you should do a video on Bob Dylan and how he took really old folk songs and rewrote them to make songs of his own Bob Dylans blowing in the wind is partially inspired by Odettas no more auction block but that song is even older than The oldetta version
@CaptainHoratioPugwash
@CaptainHoratioPugwash 2 жыл бұрын
While researching for this video did you come across Richard Thompsons 2005 show "1000 years of popular music"? He gathered together a collection of influential songs from the last 1000 years (or there abouts) and performed them in chronological order, starting with Sumer Is Icumen In. It's both interesting and very entertaining! It's on KZfaq and I highly recommend it if you like this kind of thing.
@popeofsimps2924
@popeofsimps2924 2 жыл бұрын
“The pop culture of the (1580s) time” is not a phrase I expected to hear
@mateusbez2669
@mateusbez2669 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how old ‘El Condor Pasa’ really is. It was copyrighted in 1913, but from my knowledge, most believe it is simply a traditional tune that someone eventually wrote it down.
@MJEvermore853
@MJEvermore853 2 жыл бұрын
I also thought immediately of the Simon and Garfunkel tune... I have adored that song my entire life.
@babywolfg
@babywolfg 2 жыл бұрын
@@MJEvermore853 Its a really pretty song. That entire album is still one of my favorites, Bridge over Troubled Water
@mateusbez2669
@mateusbez2669 2 жыл бұрын
@@MJEvermore853 el Condor Pasa is an Andean/Peruvian traditional song. Paul Simon Wrote lyrics to it. Like I said, the first record we have from it is from 1913, but like so many folk songs - like “House of the Rising Sun” or “Whiskey in the Jar” - there is no way to know how old it really is. In Andean mythology, the Condor is the ruler of the skies.
@MJEvermore853
@MJEvermore853 2 жыл бұрын
@@mateusbez2669....very interesting puzzle indeed. Thank you for adding more information on this tune. 👍
@MJEvermore853
@MJEvermore853 2 жыл бұрын
@@babywolfg...mine too. I love Simon and Garfunkel
@weaselwolf
@weaselwolf 2 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid, Greensleeves was the tune my ice cream man used to blare from his little truck
@freeman10000
@freeman10000 2 жыл бұрын
In Australia Greensleeves is still the sound of ice cream trucks to this day.
@DrFranklynAnderson
@DrFranklynAnderson 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Greece nerd here. I was watching a clip from some old documentary on Greek art or something once, and realized “wait, that’s the Seikilos epitaph they’re playing as background music!”
@fite-4-ever876
@fite-4-ever876 2 жыл бұрын
that feeling of recognition is like nothing else. like seriously it was so cool knowing that tune once it played.
@zoekovacs2495
@zoekovacs2495 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video! I'm Hungarian, and while the lyrics of our folk songs are only a few hundred years old, some of the melodies are estimated to be from one thousand or more years ago! Back then, Hungarians didn't have a writing system, and they were nomads so they didn't even leave any artifacts behind but the melody was able to survive through oral tradition. Virtually everyone knows them here because they are taught in school, a famous really old one is "megrakják a tüzet"
@coldanimal5107
@coldanimal5107 2 жыл бұрын
Greensleeves is undoubtedly the oldest song I know how to play. Considering I was first introduced to it as the tune that played from ice-cream trucks when I was a child, it was quite a surprise when I eventually discovered what the lyrics were about!
@kevincronk7981
@kevincronk7981 Жыл бұрын
The song that came to mind was yankee doodle. It's probably not as old as greensleeves, but I rememeber hearing that the melody, with all sort of different lyrics, was pretty popular for a very long time in England and is quite old
@watsonwrote
@watsonwrote 2 жыл бұрын
I've always disliked winter and look forward to the coming of spring every year, so I've found myself actually spontaneously singing Sumer Is Icumen In while walking outside during the weeks of early spring. That song at least lives on through me lol
@nedisahonkey
@nedisahonkey 2 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed i actually guessed Greensleeves before seeing the thumbnail.
@kevinlove4356
@kevinlove4356 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest song that I regularly encounter is "Adam lay ybounden." Pretty much every church will have that as the choir anthem after the first lesson at their Advent carol service. The oldest non-choral music that millions of people regularly encounter are some of the oldest patterns of change-ringing, such as Grandsire. We know the pattern has to be exactly the same today as in the 16th century because of the mathematical requirements of the pattern. St. Bartholomew the Great Church in London has bells cast ca. 1510. So you can hear the same music on the same musical instrument as people in 1510.
@RolandHutchinson
@RolandHutchinson 2 жыл бұрын
"Adam lay ybounden" is a late-medieval text, but all of the several musical settings we have are modern, the best known being Boris Ord's from 1957. Nice point about change ringing!
@zachfruin7684
@zachfruin7684 2 жыл бұрын
This isn't to answer the question in the video, but more of a small exploration that I personally found really interesting. I played music in high school and liked to be a part of any band I could join, and so I had joined our Victorian Dinner Ensemble, in which the music department would serve food, have a live show/play, and play live music (all by audition only, it was actually expensive for our guests so it was important that the experience be good, around $50 per ticket). As a member of the band, we would get a binder of music to play, around 15 or so pieces. One that always stuck out was called I Wonder As I Wander. I loved that piece, but could not find any recordings anywhere I looked, it was a piece just missing everywhere except the music in my hand. Fast forward a few years, and my great Uncle dies, whom I had never met. Apparently he had left his belongings to be distributed by his nephew, my grandpa. Being the only person that enjoyed records and had a record player, his record collection was given to me, containing 3 boxes of records (around 90) all from the early 50s and 60s, some dating far earlier (one record was by the Ink Spots in the 20s, not sure when it was actually pressed though since the tech wasn't available then). I found a single record of christmas hymns (Christmas Hymns and Carols: Volume 1 by the Robert Shaw Coral, copywrite 1954), most of which were the standards we all know, except one, which was I Wonder As I Wander. I finally had a recording of I Wonder As I Wander, something that I had been looking for years due to its haunting and entrancing sound, something I could not stop thinking about since I first really heard it. On the back of the record there was a small piece written about the song, something I could go off of and try to find out more about the song, I was more than intrigued at this point as it's been several years of nothing. It said there: One of the most strikingly beautiful of all American folk melodies. John Jacob Niles discovered it in the singing of Annie Morgan, one of a band of traveling evangelists, on the Sunday afternoon of July 10, 1933, in Muphy, North Carolina. "I engaged her at 25 bvents per performance to repeat the song till I was sure of the words and the tune," Says Mr Niles. "They left at sundown. I have never been able to find any trace of them since. And I find that such a song just appears from a wandering folk group, that seemingly vanishes into thin air, leaving only the song behind, gives an already haunting piece such a unique and incredible backstory. It's a ghost of a tale, incredible.
@eskarinakatz7723
@eskarinakatz7723 2 жыл бұрын
For me, this question gets entangled with “What’s the song I’ve known for the longest?” It’s definitely the songs I was taught in Pre-K and at services at the school’s attached synagogue: “David MeleCH Yisrael,” “Hatikvah,” the She’ma, Aleinu, Adon Olam, and so on. That CH is actually a noise not dissimilar from hawking up spit, made in the back of the mouth. “David meleCH Yisrael” apparently is a Sephardic tune (from Spain/Portugal), though I may be wrong. Some prayers are fully sung, some (especially Torah quotations) are chanted, and between synagogues it can depend. At that day school, I think the mourners Kaddish (Yitgadal v’yitkadash shme raba…) was chanted, and where I’m living now, our synagogue sings it. And now I’m remembering the rather satisfying chunking sound the flip-up seats made in my former synagogue with nostalgia. It fitted the rising part of the Song of the Sea, if that’s the one, very well.
@eskarinakatz7723
@eskarinakatz7723 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh, and I realise that Hatikvah is practically brand new and based on an existing, non-Jewish song.
@janekfranekczekanek8033
@janekfranekczekanek8033 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest song that I can recognize is probably an old Polish wedding song called ''Oj chmielu chmielu'' (''Oh hop hop'') or simply ''Chmiel'' (''Hop''). It is believed to predate the christianisation of Poland (966 C.E.) and is basically a song about beer (some people say Slavs were first to put hop in beer) and its effect on people. It's been popular among rural folk up until the 1950's, but since then it's pretty much forgotten. It's a cool song tho, it has a nearly pagan feel to it
@ARK613
@ARK613 2 жыл бұрын
The Jewish liturgical tunes used on Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year) and Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) , may have been used in the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. If the tunes don't go back that far , other scholars places these liturgical tunes in the 9th century CE. Tunes for other prayers change , but these two holidays are treated so reverentially , that it would just feel wrong to ever change the tune for those prayers.
@projekt9759
@projekt9759 2 жыл бұрын
Really great. thank you for this video. One thought though - Hildegard of Bingen, 1100 AD, she composed. And I think there is manuscrips of her music. And It´s choir music so its a little more resistant to changes of time, so to speak.
@abracadabra3648
@abracadabra3648 2 жыл бұрын
Bro ur edits are always awesome
@EyeLean5280
@EyeLean5280 2 жыл бұрын
This is very informative and fun - thank you! The oldest song I know is the Song of Seikilos from ancient Greece. After that, I'm familiar with a number of Gregorian chants as well as the polyphony that followed (Hildegard von Bingen is a favorite, but by no means the only medieval composer we listen to in our home). But yeah, Greensleeves is one I've known all my life and most people I know are familiar with it too.
@bobsala7780
@bobsala7780 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest song I know is "Douce Dame Jolie" by Guillaume de Machaut, which was written in the late 14th century.
@letsnotgothere6242
@letsnotgothere6242 2 жыл бұрын
Kyrie Eleison (religious) and Sumer Is Icumen In (secular) Also love old, English folk songs like Twa Ravens, Unquiet Grave, Scarborough Fair...
@andreaperez9706
@andreaperez9706 2 жыл бұрын
I never get tired of listening to your videos. Question, do you have any Spotify playlists you'd ever be comfortable sharing? I have no doubt those anthologies would be worth diving in!!
@AndromedaCripps
@AndromedaCripps 2 жыл бұрын
As a classically trained vocalist, I am much more exposed to ancient music. It took me a while to realize that what is considered common repertoire centuries for us requires completely different instruments than those in the modern orchestra or wind band, so it’s much less common to see instrumental music from pre-1600. I also happen to be a fan of historical performance practice, so I’m actually now used to hearing instrumental music from as far as a century or two earlier as well, but that’s beside the point. Anyway, I can think of a couple songs off the top of my head that might be older, de to my vocal training. Pieces which I believe are considered staples of the choral canon. Josquin des Prez’s setting of Ave Maria for example. More commonly known now would be a later example, Miserere Mei by Allegri. However, that song has an incredibly interesting history that excludes it from your criteria; the famous extremely high note outside the key area of the piece (which has been made very internet famous by the meme of the boys choir using helium to reach it) is actually an erroneous part of the song, which was jumbled in transcription, such that it was adopted in the wrong key, and also is a patchwork of several sections smushed together. So not recognizable to the original audience. But none of these come close to the unilateral pervasiveness of Greensleeves! Another Avenue to research could be nursery songs! Think about how pervasive Brahm’s Lullaby is, from the 1800’s. Specifically I’d look into Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, as it was already a popular children’s song in the 1700’s when Mozart did his variations on it! Would be interesting to research how far we can trace that one back.
@teleriferchnyfain
@teleriferchnyfain 2 жыл бұрын
I sang in several Madrigal groups so I know many songs older than Greensleeves 😎
@rajalkar1934
@rajalkar1934 2 жыл бұрын
In Indian sub-continent we have folk songs but again we(atleast I) do not know when they originated. We can just guess. But yes the religious hymns like Ved, Upanishads, etc which were passed-on by oral traditions. As a matter of fact they were composed in a particular rhythm to make it easier to learn and recall as writing tech had not been discovered at the time they were composed. In Maharashtra Santavanis/Abhangs have had a continuous tradition from 12th/13th century. So they more or less have had same same rhythm since origins. (Newer variations can also be found but are easy to distinguish)
@larsmunch4536
@larsmunch4536 2 жыл бұрын
In my home country Denmark, a medieval song titled (in translation) "I Dreamt A Dream Tonight About Silk And Costly Garment" was used by the national broadcasting for several decades as a fill-in, when there was a short break. Although they don't use it in this way any longer, a very large portion of Danes will still recognize this song.
@fugithegreat
@fugithegreat 2 жыл бұрын
The Coventry Carol is another old song that is pretty commonly recognized, thanks to Christmas tradition. The first written record we have of the song is from 1534, but it could be a couple centuries older than that for all we know, since they were doing mystery plays in Coventry dating from at least the 1300s.
@Mysterytour7
@Mysterytour7 2 жыл бұрын
PS Shout-out to Arstidir for making a 13th century Icelandic hymn go viral
@MattMcQueen1
@MattMcQueen1 2 жыл бұрын
My first thought was Gaudete, made famous by Steeleye Span. But now I'll watch the video 🙂
@QuantumJump451
@QuantumJump451 2 жыл бұрын
My thought was the same song, but I know the version by the Mediaeval Baebes
@Mysterytour7
@Mysterytour7 2 жыл бұрын
My Dad has been watching a LOT of Steeleye Span on KZfaq lately
@spiideriiboii6837
@spiideriiboii6837 2 жыл бұрын
The oldest song I can think of right now is the medieval ballad of Scarborough Fair, which also sounds beautiful on the oboe like Greensleeves!
@REEDRICHARDS2
@REEDRICHARDS2 2 жыл бұрын
Magnificent!!! Thank u so much!!!
@jeffdege4786
@jeffdege4786 2 жыл бұрын
"Oldest song" isn't the same as "oldest music". For many of us, oldest music is Gregorian plainchant. The oldest actual songs I'm familiar with are from the Carmina Burana, aka "Ich was ein ching so wolgetan".
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