What Is the Spotify Sound? (feat. Frenship)

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@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

As always this episode is a celebration of all music. We are here to appreciate not hate! It would be cool to have thoughtful conversations in the comments section. Bring good vibes.

@somniavitasunt 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's a dumb question, but where's the 30 sec song?

@aly-bocarcisse613 5 жыл бұрын

somniavitasunt same question, I’m pretty curious

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

@@aly-bocarcisse613 All of our songs are on our soundcloud soundcloud.com/soundfieldpbs

@ajw21778 4 жыл бұрын

Can you do a special on gogo music

@princesshansalorre 5 жыл бұрын

for me spotify allowed me to try a lot more music, and because of that I learned to appreciate broader spectrum of genres. but I still never use the playlists. I tend to go from band to band with the "fans also like" feature, which give you a list of bands that are somewhat similar.

@whitefantom 5 жыл бұрын

I do the same thing. For me, Spotify is a just means to discover new bands and artists. Once I find something I really love, I go to Amazon and buy the mp3's. Spotify is just a way of auditioning my music before I decide what to invest my money in, really.

@olik136 5 жыл бұрын

I sometimes use playlists- but only the user generated ones (like OST's that are not released as an album...) but the spotify curated ones in my country are as bad as the stuff on the radio...so if I wanted that- I would turn on the radio...

@retepaskab 5 жыл бұрын

Start listening to the Discover Weekly playlist, it's based on your listening history, you'll be surprised.

@princesshansalorre 5 жыл бұрын

@@retepaskab tbh most of the time I'm rather dissapointed by it. So I don't use it often.

@Jockuptown 5 жыл бұрын

@@retepaskab trash feature honestly. The youtube music one is FAR superior.

@makoykahoy 5 жыл бұрын

at 3:30 they showed 3:30

@simonfetwi 5 жыл бұрын

easter egg?

@Fredd00007 5 жыл бұрын

Shit

@djbtf2753 5 жыл бұрын

blew my mind

@_Dive_Bomb_ 5 жыл бұрын

Approaching 330 likes...

@kykale 5 жыл бұрын

editor did hella good job to get that done

@kpman644 5 жыл бұрын

Without Spotify I wouldn’t have found out about certain artists. If l like them enough I support them with vinyl purchases, merch or live gigs.

@user-us6vg 5 жыл бұрын

You dont need Spotify to find new artists. Go Discogs, KZfaq, Last fm. Usually even better, especially Last fm.

@Ragamauffin 5 жыл бұрын

@@user-us6vg Why? Spotify already has a discover weekly/made for you playlists and that's very convenient for passive listeners.

@thoughtdistorted 5 жыл бұрын

I’m the same way. I find a lot of new music on Spotify - I like finding a song I like and the going to the radio station for that specific song so I get similar styles of songs. Or I do the same with related artists as well. I also really like the Spotify includes their concert dates. I’ve attended many because of it.

@ursbasteck 5 жыл бұрын

Spotify is just overall really strange. What it puts together, for me, in the Discover Weekly or a while back in the Time Capsule feature, is 90% spot-on. And if it's not, it doesn't veer into radiopop territory but into even stranger pastures. I've discovered fantastic music there. But _then,_ there's the whole Homepage. Where it's so *aggressively* unaware of what it knows about me and my tastes. It's quite baffling, really. And I've recently grown to hate that homepage because my kid has started to use Spotify and that utter shite is what she clicks on, naturally.

@barkasz6066 5 жыл бұрын

Same experience! I guess with the home page Spotify tries to blow people out of their musical echo chamber? I dunno.

@sunebruhnvideos 5 жыл бұрын

@@barkasz6066 No, it's because the home page is more or less controlled by commercial powers.

@Jockuptown 5 жыл бұрын

I really love the daily mix playlits that spotify put together outta music ive saved with others i havent saved from the same genre. I have noted that the less songs saved this feature isnt too good, but with my 2000+ saved music i get 6 daily mixes of different genres that is amazing.

@ursbasteck 5 жыл бұрын

@@barkasz6066 Blow to where? To _Counting Rhymes with Autotune Vol 9_ and/or what goes for R&B these days? _"Summerhits 2019"_ ? I already have that from Dudebros blasting their car stereos ;)

@ursbasteck 5 жыл бұрын

@@Jockuptown I find there's little new stuff in the Daily Mix(es). Like a Shuffle from my big playlist, but curated for genres. It works well, but for some reason I tend to go with Artist Radio.

@GarryLarryBarry 5 жыл бұрын

Forgot playlists, listen to albums, for the best music experience.

@daniellee2965 5 жыл бұрын

so true

@oliverseddon7950 5 жыл бұрын

I agree. I think the passive way in which people consume music today is a little sad. When you actually had to buy music you had to put a bit of effort into finding individual artists you enjoy. Now its just whack on a playlist.

@Qtoyghs 5 жыл бұрын

@@oliverseddon7950 But there's value inherent to that as well, because curated playlists both by Spotify and the community are great for introducing users to artists the users might not know about.

@tysfalsehood 5 жыл бұрын

@Spanish Moustache No not really. Playlists can have *some* structure, but I think the best albums have a coherent structure or a unifying idea (a concept album). Obviously that changes based on genre but they are not the same thing.

@Cobalt985 5 жыл бұрын

@Spanish Moustache Clearly you have never heard of a concept album. Listen to Metropolis Pt. 2 and say that it's "just a playlist". The overarching theme or concept makes it far more than a playlist.

@Phazonviper 5 жыл бұрын

I'm now compelled to make a passive-aggressive album just filled with a tonne of 30-40s songs with the final song being 30 mins long.

@PatrickCc 5 жыл бұрын

We are currently in the best and worst time for music

@RobinLeGaming 5 жыл бұрын

Just the second, in my opinion. Music has never been so low quality both in style (Modern Radio/Club Pop) and in sound quality (MP3).

@mshbeatbox 5 жыл бұрын

@@RobinLeGaming how can it be in lower style if old songs dont dissappear and new songs come up.How physically?

@RobinLeGaming 5 жыл бұрын

@@mshbeatbox By showing the music industry that most people want trash and there's less good music every day.

@ChinkRoy 5 жыл бұрын

no just the worst

@GuRuGeorge03 5 жыл бұрын

@@RobinLeGaming robin the argument that mp3 is worse than lossless has been disproven countless times, you will not find a single human that can hear the difference between 320 kbit/s mp3 and lossless in any environment, under any circumstances. PS: the only reason that lossless is still being used are 2 things, 1: marketing, 2: when u process a wave during digital music production (thats what music is mathematically), especially if u make it slower or process it heavily with effects like distortion, thats when u can have benefits from using lossless over mp3

@iquemedia 5 жыл бұрын

Lil nas X said on twitter he made some of his songs less than 2 minutes to increase the number of streams lol

@shimeih2287 5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. A catchy song when made short makes you want to repeat it

@greenhound 5 жыл бұрын

'some of his songs' - i was honestly of the belief that old town road is his only release. are you talking about demos?

@iquemedia 5 жыл бұрын

@@greenhound new album just dropped

@tyde4610 5 жыл бұрын

Ique *ep

@greenhound 5 жыл бұрын

@@thesaintnoodle i was unaware of his release. i was pretty excited to check it out because old town road gave me the idea he has a lot of character, but honestly it's terrible. derivative soundcloud garbage with a few big name features to cement the fact old town road has taken him way out of his league musically.

@allisamaz5971 5 жыл бұрын

6 minutes in I went “Oh. This isn't Vox.” Awesome. Subscribed.

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

What made you realize?

@22progre77 5 жыл бұрын

Less normative statements lol

@josephbrennan9712 5 жыл бұрын

@@SoundFieldPBS Probably because this video's actually thought out and informative. Vox are total hacks and it comes across in a lot of their vids

@RockBandRS 5 жыл бұрын

PBS has always had high quality content.

@CaptainJeoy 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Vox sucks!

@one_man_community 5 жыл бұрын

What would fix the payment system. Instead of paying for the first 30 seconds. Pay for each 30 seconds of the song, that'd be more fair and I think it would encourage artist to make longer tracks and their financial success would increase too.

@QuakeGamerROTMG 5 жыл бұрын

Pretty good idea, like youtube's watch time system.

@tysfalsehood 5 жыл бұрын

Inb4 ambient artists gain massive amounts of money.

@gravitygas3891 5 жыл бұрын

@@tysfalsehood Psytrance would be pleased

@caseyking8394 5 жыл бұрын

sleep would be rolling in cash

@pras9258 5 жыл бұрын

It's not that artists are paid only for the first 30 seconds of their track. I feel that's a wrong way to intercept the payment model. But I do agree the compensation isn't enough, though I wouldn't blame Spotify for it.

@Quetzalcoatl0 5 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a video about the loudness wars.

@peakcartoon 5 жыл бұрын

That would be a welcome surprise if they did

@scaper8 5 жыл бұрын

@Dwarf From The North Well they've already done videos touching on metal, hip-hop, country, and funk and the channel is still very new. So, your position of them only covering pop seems on pretty shaky ground right from the get go.

@rillloudmother 5 жыл бұрын

@@scaper8 some folk would call all those pop though...

@pplfthftr7526 5 жыл бұрын

Wht?

@jordanlin4437 5 жыл бұрын

@Dwarf From The North The women who you see is one of the two people who host this channel is Nahre Sol, and she is a classically trained musician. Even though she does not dislike pop music, she definitely does not think that pop music is the entirety of music. In fact, if you go to her channel, she mostly does stuff in the classical style or the soft, jazz-ish classical-ish style. So don't worry.

@Shlooomth 5 жыл бұрын

So Spotify is accelerating pop music. Cool. I'll keep ignoring the trending tab like I always have

@dux520 5 жыл бұрын

Shame, you could be missing out on something good

@brycebaliko7050 5 жыл бұрын

Will Dutton could be, same could he said for someone not listening to any other playlist, album etc. there is so much depth to what’s on Spotify I doubt you could be sure to hear every “something good” lol

@dux520 5 жыл бұрын

@@brycebaliko7050 yeah purposely ignoring songs, albums or playlists- always limits your chances to hear potentially good music. I don't see your point

@joeylantis22 5 жыл бұрын

the Beatles were pop. Oasis is pop. Nirvana. Weezer etc. Why you gotta hate what’s popular?

@dux520 5 жыл бұрын

@@joeylantis22 exactly

@GrindfatherJones 5 жыл бұрын

People in comments: "it's sad that they had to write a 30 second song" Me: *slowly turns off my grindcore playlist*

@RobinLeGaming 5 жыл бұрын

What the hell is grindcore?

@nayibquintanilla7704 5 жыл бұрын

@@RobinLeGaming an acquired taste of a subgenre in metal

@SLENDAMANN 5 жыл бұрын

@@squigglewacks Offensive? Grindcore is notoriously left-wing music; it's the antithesis of offensive in everything but the way it sounds.

@PvtAnonymous 5 жыл бұрын

@@SLENDAMANN and left wing can't be offensive? yikes...

@SLENDAMANN 5 жыл бұрын

IljasCustoms songs about feminism, monopolies, anti-genocide and anti-totalitarianism is not what I’d consider offensive, no. And that’s the lyrics for something like 9/10 Napalm Death and Extreme Noise Terror songs.

@warganization 5 жыл бұрын

The music-listening capabilities provided by stuff like Spotify is great, the push for artists to make their music "sound like Spotify" is not

@intellectualpupil 5 жыл бұрын

Lean on undeniably have all the ingredients of a hit, but that's is only one component of how it became so popular. Major Lazer, Diplo, his label Mad Decent have been around for a very long time building their sound and their audience. The success of Lean On can't be boiled down to how appropriate the sound is for Spotify.

@CoconutM1lk 5 жыл бұрын

I don't think they're saying it is successful because of Spotify but that it boosted the success

@VegaRockIn-Depth 5 жыл бұрын

I always thought that the "Spotify Sound" (more like "style") with the Trop House and pop Drops etc., all became big from KZfaq. Thousands and Thousands of KZfaq creators use the royalty-free tracks that KZfaq provides to add to or enhance their videos. Most of these royalty-free tracks are of the "Spotify Sound" that you speak of. Interesting. Great video

@jeremysale1385 5 жыл бұрын

When people talk about the corruption of art by commercial forces, they're overlooking the fact that the 'commercial forces' being fought over are actually the emotional experience of listeners - and that commercial success validates music as good even when a critic thinks the piece is a worn out trope or technically lacking. Even music constructed by a bunch of suits in a boardroom, with the single intent of making money, is not going to make money unless the people who listen validate the emotional experience delivered.

@_XRMissie 5 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think even uploading to KZfaq or Soundcloud has reignited the arms race amongst producers. I've certainly changed how I write songs now; drop/chorus comes a LOT earlier than it used to, tracks are up to 50% shorter (averaging around 3:30 now, like the video mentioned), needing to use insane amounts of compression to rival the "loudness" of other producers' tracks... I can only imagine how insane it must be on Spotify, an the amount of pressure it puts on you to hit that 30 second listener retention

@hushedtones7168 5 жыл бұрын

Compression depends on the dynamic range of the sounds you use or record. Now that LUFs are the streaming standard for mastering things are not as compressed as they used to be. What is more useful than volume automation is filling the frequency spectrum with your important sounds.

@_XRMissie 5 жыл бұрын

@@hushedtones7168 Be that as it may, compression is still abused, in my honest opinion... And I'm a bit of a hypocrite, because I tend to do the exact same thing now for specific genres that can get away with it. Just look at the pop scene for example; if you take virtually any of them and throw them into Audacity or something, you can see how little dynamic range there is. Everything is crushed up to 0dB wherever possible. Streaming allows for a higher volume of different types of producers, so maybe that also contributes to the reduction insane compression.

@pyeltd.5457 5 жыл бұрын

Loudness is bad. Means your music is bad then.

@artkincell 5 жыл бұрын

@@_XRMissie I commented up above how I created a project which I release a video a day. I like the ridiculous "short film" format I am creating now,but some of the free music needs to be cut to fit. I used the "Spotify formula" on the music in my video #370. I moved the end to the front, shortened the intro for a quicker "pop drop." But in producing these videos, I can see how a person can become frustrated with trying to make shorter songs. We are in a quick world and the music has to keep up. I'm also a fan of that Major Lazer song used in this video. By my calculations, they have made over one million dollars just off of the Spotify plays. I'll have to check out your channel too.

@_XRMissie 5 жыл бұрын

@@artkincell That definitely sounds like an interesting challenge! Though I can imagine trying to actually follow the Spotify Formula can get pretty tiresome. You're definitely right about us living in a quick world; everything has to be *here and now.* I used to be massive into "Lean on" fan when it first launched a few years ago, but it's definitely worn me down to the point where I won't go out of my way to listen to it. They don't need my 1 extra view on their 2.5B already, haha. 1 million from Spotify? I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bit more. That, coupled with KZfaq revenue and all the royalties from everyone trying to steal that track, they're definitely rolling in more than a mil. Cheers, but you honestly don't have to. I'm nothing compared to these giants

@MichaelGallagher97 5 жыл бұрын

What this video taught me: I'm not the average Spotify user lol

@MenchieExtrakt 5 жыл бұрын

The average Spotify user won’t be on this channel

@hi1000ish 5 жыл бұрын

Spotify only gives the bands like 0.0002% of the money they make on each streams this is why I buy cds to help out the underground bands I like

@MKMousanz 5 жыл бұрын

Well CDs make bands very little as well. Most of the money made from CDs goes to the label, distributor and retailer. What really helps bands, though, is going to their live shows and buying their merch.

@popmashups6568 5 жыл бұрын

you can stream the album a huge amount of times and it will surpass how much you paid for the cd

@deletedaccount966 5 жыл бұрын

the problem with streaming services is that one day, the music could disappear. There is also exclusivity BS deals, for example, Dr. Dre latest album Compton is only on Apple Music. With streaming you are only paying for access, but you do not own the music.

@hi1000ish 5 жыл бұрын

M.K. Mousanz not anymore labels now give them most of the album sales money Bc albums don’t sell anymore now they “try” to cut into merchandise money and live show revenue so bands make a bigger percentage of money off album sales now

@stale2665 5 жыл бұрын

Sure, but you don't listen to your favourite artist just once a year, do you?

@thevinyltruffle 5 жыл бұрын

I do albums. On spotify. On my turntable. Its all about complete albums.

@davidzubek5035 5 жыл бұрын

I feel like you shouldnt slide into either of the extremes. People who only listen to full albums tend to lack individual taste, (or have less specific taste?) and people who only listen to songs lack attention for artists and their creations. Its not a bad thing to skip shit you dont like, but its nice to at least give the whole composition a chance.

@TurtleGamers1 5 жыл бұрын

@@davidzubek5035 I usually listen through the whole album and then I might listen to my favorite songs from it separate from the album on other occassions, and if I really like the album I'll listen through it every now and then. That's usually a nice way to do it for me. People who don't listen to albums seem so much more unaware of an artist's sound and style...

@X19Virus 5 жыл бұрын

@@davidzubek5035 I don't believe those are mutually exclusive. If I like singles or hits, sometimes I'll check out the entire album. I won't always like it, but usually, I'll fall in love with the entire album and sometimes the artist. Usually next comes downloading on my phone/laptop so I can listen anywhere without ads (I am literally always listening to music). But regardless of my feelings for an album, I still have favorites, likes and dislikes, and my broader taste for whole albums instead of individual songs doesn't mean I can't appreciate the depth of a composition. I tend to look at songs within the context of an album as well as standing on its own. I just don't believe a wider taste can't simultaneously be specific.

@davidzubek5035 5 жыл бұрын

@@TurtleGamers1 makes sense

@davidzubek5035 5 жыл бұрын

@@X19Virus also makes sense :)

@ivansit0TV 5 жыл бұрын

I don’t like the idea of shorter songs to get more streams, that’s mainly why they’re shortening the length of the songs. I love high quality and creative music, don’t like this “Spotify sound” at all.

@harrylane4 5 жыл бұрын

Yes, how dare people shorten the length of their songs for a new format! *goes back to vinyl * Oh wait

@EpicvidsKetti08 5 жыл бұрын

Hi-Res FLAC is my way to go

@RMBMS 5 жыл бұрын

Part of it is people’s attention span shortening. Since people are just streaming music they can skip tracks if the song isn’t to their immediate interest.

@stale2665 5 жыл бұрын

I wonder if it would be possible to change it to x amount of money per y seconds spent listening to an artist, rather than having it tied to number of songs. I feel like an artist with 10 songs at 2 minutes each shouldn't be paid more than an artist with 4 songs at 5 minutes each. What if the artist just got money based on how much time was spent listening to the artist as a whole, rather than each individual song?

@liamtahaney713 5 жыл бұрын

"Spotify has changed forever how musicians make money" Yeah...before, they didn't, but now they also don't but they can pretend to

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

Could you elaborate Liam?

@2-bh 4 жыл бұрын

@@SoundFieldPBS he's saying the royalties that the artists receive is unfair, to the point they barely make any money.. spotify pays out minuscule royalties so that they can "pretend" (hyperbole) that artists make money

@nathanmaxon1 4 жыл бұрын

@@2-bh IDK man I've made 3 dollars on Spotify, so I'm really making it!!

@mirqq00 5 жыл бұрын

5:53 a playlist titled 'Dream' that's just the entire discographies of Lorde and BØRNS? sounds about right.

@panananananana 5 жыл бұрын

Borns is a prick

@Mu51kM4n 5 жыл бұрын

Makes you think about what you listen to and how Spotify may even be changing your tastes. I'm a Spotify subscriber but I don't listen to music the way they describe and I don't listen to a lot of "pop", music. I like longer songs that have good development and depth to the composition. I only listen to my own playlists. I grew up in the 90s CD age like he described. But can't ignore that Spotify is now most likely influencing what I listen to and like

@Mu51kM4n 5 жыл бұрын

@Spanish Moustache i can see why you assume that I said that, but indeed did not intend to say that. The statements "I don't listen to a lot of pop music" and "I listen to longer songs..." Were intended to be completly separate. I do listen to some pop and agree that a lot of pop music has depth and development. I just meant to say simply that the video talks a lot about pop music which only constitutes about 10% of what I listen to. I apologize for my poor writing skills that implied pop music has no depth

@jadekaay 5 жыл бұрын

I knew this without knowing I did.. Needed to see this today, very useful.. Thanks 👊

@zombiedude347 5 жыл бұрын

I don't even look at the curated playlists. I just search for an artist I like, go to radio, and save the songs to my own playlists. I then also check out the release radar discover weekly for new songs, and songs I haven't listen to on spotify yet.

@19Musicismylife96 4 жыл бұрын

I'm a native of risking the death of my computer while using limewire.

@uanua 5 жыл бұрын

this is just a sick, clean, video. Good job PBS!

@bluetannery1527 5 жыл бұрын

love this stuff. y’all never stop churning out these hits also! a compilation album on spotify eventually would be killer if it contained all the mini songs youve made!!

@kyleh6173 4 жыл бұрын

These are such high quality videos. Enjoyed both of the hosts and the work they put in

@ShannonMcDowell71 5 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate this video and topic. I recall from a Music History course I was in how technology and different formats have changed commercial music, but this is one of the best videos I've seen regarding Spotify's influence on today's song arrangements. I'm happy to have found your KZfaq channel! :-D Peace, Shan

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

We're happy you found us too!

@ShannonMcDowell71 5 жыл бұрын

@@SoundFieldPBS I thank Physics Girl for the link! :-D

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

We love Dianna! Did you see the episode we did with her? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y7aFedKgrbunlac.html

@danieldietrich9969 5 жыл бұрын

Well really the 3 minute pop song came about because of radio around the 50s/60s. And the limitation of vinyl, or even CD for that matter, didn't stopped bands such as the Beatles, Iron Maiden, and Rush from having songs that are 7, 12, or even 20 minutes long. And there was even the ability to do a 4-sided or even 6-sided album.

@KarlRock 5 жыл бұрын

You're spot on. It's definitely going to change music.

@FrantzesElzaurdia 5 жыл бұрын

Pun intended?

@vunessuh 3 жыл бұрын

Here from the future! Yeah spotify itself has changed a lot. But I absolutely cannot live without spotify

@thegladys2651 5 жыл бұрын

Spotify gives us access to a lot more content, but definitely, you can see a pattern. Just listening to my "mix of the day" I am more aware that the playlist includes similar rhythms, even lyrics talk about the same subject. Love this video, really help us to understand more about music, without focus on music itself :) Great as always guys

@pennydreadful4939 5 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you guys talked about this subject... I read some of those studies you mentioned that state people prefer the familiar music. There was an article on those studies positing the theory that pop music fans don't even genuinely like the music, they just think they do because it's what they hear all the time. Interesting stuff to think about. Thanks guys! ✌️❤️🤘

@Muzikman127 Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a line from an old David Firth thing, "I want something that sounds like what I already listen to, but with different words"

@Muzikman127 Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/psuYe7Ki3Z2uiJs.html

@pennydreadful4939 Жыл бұрын

@@Muzikman127 Haha "It's still fun to act like we're making predictions when we know exactly what's going to sell." I loved that, thank you for sharing

@tiredcerulean 5 жыл бұрын

I never use the Spotify-made playlists. I just make my own with music I already like.

@hither-to 5 жыл бұрын

Nice quality raise there, much better than the last video I watched from you, way to go

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

Ouch

@Beryllahawk 5 жыл бұрын

I hadn't thought much about how people are changing their music or even their listening habits based on Spotify. I do like Spotify a lot, I feel like I'm getting a lot of music for my money. But part of what I want from it is finding new music, stuff I haven't heard before, right alongside the things I already know and like. I have gotten to explore a lot of new artists and genres, including some pretty wild stuff like Mongolian folk metal. But I generally build my own playlists rather than solely sticking to the curated ones - I too grew up with liner notes, and making mix tapes...with vinyl collecting (my mother had one hell of a big box full of records, when I was a kid) and with MTV back when they had more music than television. I would have been one of those folks that went into the music store and bought at least two things of the "brand new music" shelves, too, if I hadn't been dirt poor, haha... And then I began learning more about classical music and art music, and dove deep into that particular rabbit hole - and fell in love with vinyl all over again as I explored the college's music library. Which also introduced me to jazz and blues in new ways...it's been a long and crooked road to get to where I am now, in terms of musical knowledge and taste! It makes a certain amount of sense, though, for newer artists to experiment with their style and see what sells...they're not just doing this for giggles, after all, most professional musicians do want to pay the bills with their work. I don't find that sad at all. Or rather - I find it sad that it's as difficult as it is for artists of all stripes to make a living doing what they do. Using strategies that maximize the money you DO make? That's just sensible. Not everyone can count on having tour dates for decades, nor can any musician count on having even one song become the kind of hit that you then can live off of for the rest of your life. I'm interested in what else will change as we continue to develop new technologies, new formats, new ways of sharing our music, our art, our selves. It's already been quite a ride, and I'm sticking around! Great video as always! Love you guys!

@z3dar 5 жыл бұрын

I've found that while discovery weekly is often filled with great new music, the easiest way to find compelling new bands is to make a new playlist, fill it with similar songs/bands that you want to find, and then just refresh the suggestions at the bottom, or rather let the last song of the playlist play out, then click on the new album art of the song that is playing and you get full pages of auto-suggestions that are usually good.

@Beryllahawk 5 жыл бұрын

@@z3dar I had good luck recently from picking one of the curated lists (Deep Focus) and then exploring from there, as well. With my eclectic tastes, I'm probably breaking their algorithms the pieces though! But that one list is the only curated one I've had that success on. Your suggestion is sound (pun totally intended)!

@Loroini 5 жыл бұрын

try rateyourmusic.com its the biggest user curated music database and rankings there its easier to find great critically acclaimed music withouth wmg and sony pushing you their shit inbetween

@NathanWStruthers 5 жыл бұрын

I love these guys PBS! Keep up the great videos!

@astronaut4291 5 жыл бұрын

This reminds me a lot of the great book How Music Works by David Byrne. Definitely check it out if this stuff interests you!

@cjthibeau4843 5 жыл бұрын

Super interesting, informative, and fun as always!!! Definitely going to show this to my students this summer along with all your other videos!!! Can't wait to see what you guys cover next! Maybe off of this talk of tropical house and calling back to my high school days, covering the rise of EDM and its evolution and differences in genres?

@janbonne 5 жыл бұрын

I try to stick to supporting my local college stations, these college student radio jockeys got varied tastes! But also like y'all they help deepen my knowledge and appreciations for the how's, whys, intentions and influences of the artists behind songs :)

@jaizentorres4926 5 жыл бұрын

You guys are unreal! Much Love!

@joechip1232 5 жыл бұрын

My main issue with services like Spotify is that musicians, especially less commercially successful ones, don't make anything from them. I'm too old to be bothered by what other people listen to (as long as I don't have to listen to it) :P

@tysfalsehood 5 жыл бұрын

That's why when we find an artist we like, we buy their album or merch, go to their concert. etc. Thanks to streaming services, we can access those artists easier than ever.

@unimpressedalchemist 5 жыл бұрын

@@tysfalsehood Exactly. I've got over 5,000 songs saved on my Spotify. My favorites I buy on vinyl.

@sajpaj67 5 жыл бұрын

This is very well researched and put together. Great video!

@MeisterJ 5 жыл бұрын

That comment at the end about opening a CD made me think of how much I miss the CD experience. Now I barely listen to just an album on it's own and now with the focus I would listen to a CD. A new CD would be the only think I'd listen to for days, poring over the lyrics if the booklet had the gift of lyrics. I loved looking at the photos to see what folk looked like or the stills from videos before the internet was think. Y'all have really made me think about how I engage with music differently now than I did as a kid or teen. The devastation when a scratch wrecked a favorite track or the jewel case cracked. Or even making a CD of gift music for a friend, now as romantic as the mixtape, but an auditory time capsule of whatever I was into at the time. My playlists are ever evolving and getting updated so they don't have the same feel as an album of my favorite tracks from whatever month in 2009 or whenever I last made one.

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

You can make us a mix CD anytime!

@MeisterJ 5 жыл бұрын

@@SoundFieldPBS Look, I have some blank CDs, if there's a PO box I would 100% put together a mix of stuff on my computer and mail it to y'all with a hand written tracklist like I would do in high school. It would have some mainstream stuff, some bandcamp stuff, at least one track from my favorite nerdrap performer who stopped making stuff (his name was Adam Warrock, his youtube is still up). My mixes were more stuff I loved than like a cohesive theme.

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

@@MeisterJ You can mail it to us at Twin Cities PBS

@FirstRoyceMusic 5 жыл бұрын

This is very similar to the postmodern idea of simulacra. The capitalist superstructure has directly changed the way we express art.. for better worse, I suppose.

@ascetic3312 5 жыл бұрын

I'm with Sarah McLachlan on this.

@mos1085 5 жыл бұрын

Just discover your channel and your content is pure gold !! Good job ! Keep on going !

@jayknight139 4 жыл бұрын

This is amazing. I didn't even know this channel existed.

@simonfetwi 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe a video on the differences between a soundcloud and spotify sound , or why spotify is more popular , or the weaknesses/longevity of spotify.

@IgorDz 5 жыл бұрын

Basically, most songs are already 30-seconds samples multiplied 6-8 times. We might also gonna see albums with songs chopped into 6 pieces to fill 6 tracks, with slight variations. Pop music is so complex and exciting! (no)

@games4850 5 жыл бұрын

A lot of mainstream chart music nowadays is completely unoriginal. It either rips of parts of older songs or it has alternating repetitive loops over and over again.

@harrylane4 5 жыл бұрын

@@games4850 but edm is so original and unique because of the way it uses samples, right?

@bernhardkrickl3567 5 жыл бұрын

Every once in a while I check out a curated playlist and most of the time I stop it after at most a few tracks. Often I don't even bother to listen to the full first track. My listening habits are completely different, but that's no surprise because I developed them in the 80s and 90s. I like good intros, songs building slowly, songs being long and having complicated structure, I love listening to full albums instead of just the hits. I love letting it develop. When I listen to an album multiple times, I slowly explore it and sometimes my favourite songs change over time. Even when I sometimes try to make a "best of" playlist of my favourite music I don't listen to it.

@RicoGalassi 5 жыл бұрын

I'll never be able to unhear this when I listen to music on Spotify now....

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

Think of us often Rico!

@ty_hens 5 жыл бұрын

Anyone else roll their eyes when they hear Major Lazer??

@virpikettunen866 4 жыл бұрын

Not at all. Great sound design and production. Would think that a frank ocean fan would appreciate pop production

@RoachCatJr 4 жыл бұрын

no. whose ignorant ass rolls their eyes when they simply hear the name of an artist they don't like lol.

@yotaiji012 5 жыл бұрын

What about the terrible normalization and compression? It literally sounds terrible

@AlthenaLuna 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I saw the title and thought about the flattened sound. I'd also listened to a podcast yesterday where that was a thing discussed at length, so that could be why.

@aulerius 5 жыл бұрын

You can turn it off

@Spikeupine 5 жыл бұрын

@@AlthenaLuna which podcast? Sounds interesting

@AlthenaLuna 5 жыл бұрын

@@Spikeupine Well, I follow Alan Lastufka and he appeared on the 2nd episode of a new podcast called Against the Algorithm, so I listened to it.

@Evan-bu5vo 5 жыл бұрын

@@aulerius how?

@djbis 4 жыл бұрын

5:03 - I would like to add that it is really more an influence of Moombahton, than it is of actual House music. Tropical House was also a thriving sound at the same time, but most of Major Lazer/Diplo's work in the last few years is a result of Moombahton's sudden popularity. Thanks guys for a great video series!

@tommy2capa 5 жыл бұрын

always the best music analysis on youtube! love u guys!

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

We love u too

@Pico_444 5 жыл бұрын

3:19 "songs are getting shorter" Deadmau5: hold my beer

@josh-rz3uq 5 жыл бұрын

"I did it, Mom! I SAID THE MEME AGAIN!"

@renehaase6742 5 жыл бұрын

post-rock walks into the bar

@NSMITH8516 5 жыл бұрын

this is awesome

@songbirdtroy 5 жыл бұрын

This video is awesome, sharing it with my band right away!!! I've been a songwriter for a little over a decade now and for the first few years I would write long songs, like 5 to 7 minutes long and as the years went by they got shorter and shorter. I used to write songs just to write them, I wasn't too concerned about hooks, theory or structure but as my goals got bigger my songs got shorter and now my process is way different than I would've imagined it ten years ago. My approach is to write a 2 minute song, make it as catchy and interesting as I can and then I challenge my band to bring the song upto 3 minutes without making it less potent.

@beenmicrophone5817 5 жыл бұрын

incredibly interesting, well researched and presented. I definitely learnt a lot from this. good job guys!

@NeoCawte 5 жыл бұрын

Great making music more poppy, BOO!

@christhecurler 5 жыл бұрын

"The medium is the message" - Marshall McLuhan

@SuviTuuliAllan 5 жыл бұрын

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@tsg_frank5829 5 жыл бұрын

@@SuviTuuliAllan *plays the lick on repeat*

@Cobalt985 5 жыл бұрын

@@tsg_frank5829 *plays the lick into 15 megaphones*

@in2thether 4 жыл бұрын

I have become addicted to watching your videos!! I find them very insightful and interesting. I am also from Minneapolis!! :) I would love to see a video specifically about soundcloud and/or emo rap (like lil uzi vert, lil peep, lil tracy, gothboiclique).

@pugzilla3597 5 жыл бұрын

I literally never use the Spotify playlists, I just listen to my favorite artist and that’s about it

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

Maybe you can find more favorite artists

@emmanieuwenhuis2688 5 жыл бұрын

I've never been a fan of streaming services. I still buy all the music that I can. I love me some CD's.

@happydude4278 5 жыл бұрын

Emma Nieuwenhuis boomer

@AugustusBohn0 5 жыл бұрын

@@happydude4278 it's not a boomer thing to want to keep what you pay for.

@jimaglenn 5 жыл бұрын

I discover so much great music on Spotify I hardly listen to the same thing over a couple of times. Buying that many cd's would be out of the question.

@deletedaccount966 5 жыл бұрын

What's good with CDs is that you get the positives of having a physical format and your music can't disappear like on Spotify, you own your music, it doesn't require internet, you don't have to use a screen, you have something to hold onto, you have to buy it once, not 10 every month, you have better sound quality than mp3 and, obviously, better sound quality than vinyl records. At a price usually cheaper than the mp3 on iTunes or similar. The CD can be played and sounds great on pretty much every device you play it on (DVD player, car stereo, video game console, laptop, etc.) I also enjoy the fact that you can rip it to mp3 or similar for portable use.

@NPGLAMB 4 жыл бұрын

That 30 second rule has people putting pretty weird intros.

@tsg_frank5829 5 жыл бұрын

I feel like this is an extremely compelling and interesting topic when it comes to talking about how music is listened to in modern age. Streaming services have literally changed everything about the relationship between the art, the artists and the listeners that are onlookers to the performance, depending on the type of person you are you'll probably personalize your experience with Spotify. Where Spotify is really influencing in terms of structuring and the meta data of songs is in Pop music, since we're talking about a platform that can reach millions and that can earn money, the Mainstream will of course shape to get the best out of that deal. Of course generally any artist that is looking for revenue will probably conform to the structure of the platform and how it plays out, which doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, it's just given by the circumstances of the platforms inner workings, which could also be changed...if they wanted to. Personally speaking I've been using Spotify more than anything as a catalog to research all sorts of music and artists that I hear of, I don't even really buy into playlist that much, I think it's just useful for lumping together tracks that you might not always go back to. Usually I fixate on albums until i move on to something more, which like I said previously, is given by me and it's personalizing my experience with the platform. So in the end, Spotify only really has gravity over artists creative process and casual listeners depending on how they interact with the platform, which has varying degrees of weight. Btw great video guys, I like this channel.

@FilinMXr 5 жыл бұрын

This channel is pure gold

@sackofsav 5 жыл бұрын

"One is to put more songs on albums" Drake: Lets do that and then do it again. The result: SCORPION

@sackofsav 5 жыл бұрын

@@addeman02 I wasn't saying that Scorpion was the only album to have a sh** ton of songs. I was just saying that Drake only did it for the extra steams and money.

@blooduhz 5 жыл бұрын

I am a Spotify user but I will never get the 'Spotify sound' music. I just can't stand it, I dont know how young people love this music. Maybe at 32 years old, I am more comfortable to stick to comfortable' music that I grew up with and so forth. There are so many gems albums in Spotify such as Pet Sounds or Frank Zappa's albums, Tony! Toni! Tone! and many more. I'll just stick to this music

@MezzoForte4 5 жыл бұрын

Same, I only use Spotify to find and rediscover songs I heard when I was a kid. I never bothered to listen to their playlists, it's all brain mush, garbage music.

@popmashups6568 5 жыл бұрын

there will always be someone who thinks the same about your music taste

@MezzoForte4 5 жыл бұрын

@@popmashups6568 Doubtful, since my tastes are quite varied. But when a thousand songs sound the same to get as much exposure for money, there is something wrong and it hurts music as an art form.

@popmashups6568 5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, my reply was to the person who commented that he/she didn't know how young people could love "that kind of music". I've heard those words countless times, from people referring to a music style different from what they used to listen when they were young. I would never call any style "brain mush" though. I think people enjoy music for many other reasons apart of its artistic appreciation

@Khosumi 5 жыл бұрын

lol 32 years old and already has the mindset of "those darn whippersnappers". Also not everyone wants to listen to the same songs all the time, explore some new stuff, listen to some music you've never heard before like goa / psytrance, lots of good drum n bass out there, lot of amazing genres that you won't explore because it's not frank zappa. A shame, really.

@bradjm9134 5 жыл бұрын

What an insightful and well thought out video, very refreshing to see some original and thought provoking content. Bravo!

@Trx-ep7rg 5 жыл бұрын

This is a high quality video. Good stuff 👍

@LUIOFFICIALLY 4 жыл бұрын

Spotify browse playlists are fine, but I wish there was more to the "Daily Mix" playlists

@fizzpeakgamer1318 4 жыл бұрын

I'snt there 5 daily mixes now?

@LUIOFFICIALLY 4 жыл бұрын

@@fizzpeakgamer1318 yeah but the songs are very repetitive

@bluemetal04606 5 жыл бұрын

I only use spotify to help find albums that I'd want to buy physically (CDs and more recently, vinyl).

@emperorhirohito3965 5 жыл бұрын

Glad the vinyl craze is back im not sure if its makikg things cheaper too! I mean I got Kill Em All Metallice for 15!

@deletedaccount966 5 жыл бұрын

the vinyl craze is mostly a trend

@manlethamlet 5 жыл бұрын

I listen to songs on Spotify all the time, but almost every album I've found on there that I turned out to love I ended up buying on vinyl.

@NPGLAMB 4 жыл бұрын

This is a great channel. Even though it’s run by a corporation not a creator. it’s got lots of interesting things I like.

@Unclejamsarmy 5 жыл бұрын

What a fucking awesome channel. Subscribed. I love looking at music through these different lens. I always thought OutKast was one of the greatest of all time because they managed to balance creativity and pushing the form forward and whole albums with accessibility and massively broad appeal and not dumbing it down much in the process.

@ricg1479 5 жыл бұрын

40k and rising SUBS WOW!!!!!! 40k HYPE Y'All!!!

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

Ric G! You're a real one

@ryannicholls3662 5 жыл бұрын

I don't think there's anything wrong about writing songs to work well on spotify. Working with the distribution form is an inherent part of music and is not something that dumbs down music or stifles creativity.

@Fabio035 5 жыл бұрын

6:18 I find that sad, too. But then again, I'm a child of the era when artists made music for the CD-format: Albums being more attractive than EPs, the singles being there to draw attention to the full album, usually somewhere between 10 and 20 tracks on each release, and usually a running time of somewhere between 50 and 70 minutes ... that's my shit, right there!

@kykale 5 жыл бұрын

Glad I discovered this channel! Switched on Pop has a similar podcast on this. If you have time, listen to their podcasts which take time to go into the detail of topics concerning popular music.

@MrSmitheroons 5 жыл бұрын

I accidentaly became smart by watching this video.

@justmart4455 5 жыл бұрын

Yo! Nahre sol!

@stylgen 5 жыл бұрын

That Angelfire reference at the end gives me life.

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

Glad we could help.

@Brunocmartins22 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for so much information.

@mediaguyking7045 5 жыл бұрын

People just listening to already curated playlists is no different from people passively listening to the radio.

@deadlegs187 5 жыл бұрын

The Spotify sound is so quiet that only dogs can fully appreciate it

@CouchpunchMusic 5 жыл бұрын

This was a really interesting video. Subscribed :)

@cyrfung 4 жыл бұрын

As someone who mainly listen to rock, metal and older music on Spotify, what they talked about feels so alien to me.

@JonathanLopez-lk8wo 5 жыл бұрын

That part when carti said😤: Theytrynabecrate shiwanimeetcardi dabishisabirbie uh fuhdee huh

@ezion67 5 жыл бұрын

This is no different than making your mixes DJ friendly. Like; a 16 bar intro that is never really played just to line up the beats, then 16 bars that are easy to mix with other songs, than a drop, etc etc ...

@wallyperfilantiguo7835 5 жыл бұрын

Freakin love your channel!

@JakeSchoenberg 5 жыл бұрын

This video is brilliant. More people need to see this.

@SoundFieldPBS 5 жыл бұрын

We appreciate that jake!

@JuliusCounterstein 5 жыл бұрын

*Sees a video about spotify* *Gets an ad about a competitor* Spotify: I'm I a joke to you?

@danfg7215 5 жыл бұрын

8:39 Sol lovely 😍

@BendyDH 5 жыл бұрын

I don't listen to much pop so I can't relate very much but I generally like the daily mixes that spotify creates if I don't know what to listen to. Those usually cater to my interest really nicely