What Jordan Peterson Gets Wrong About Marriage

What Jordan Peterson Gets Wrong About Marriage | Part I

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@wholebitcoiner2574 Жыл бұрын

Jordan speaks of marriage when the church had a monopoly on it, and Rich speaks of marriage when big government seized that monopoly from the church.

@Charlemagnetheman Жыл бұрын

Jordan’s advice would be great if the government got out of marriage completely

@OlgaSmirnova1 Жыл бұрын

Marriage is a divine institution and God hates divorce. The problems come when men choose ungodly women. Peterson had nothing wrong about marriage.

@Lambdamale. Жыл бұрын

Good point

@malone4735 Жыл бұрын

Never Sign a Contract That Only Benefits One Party💯🙅🏽‍♂️

@taintedgooch Жыл бұрын

1 party meaning the family 👪?

@tkleo2006 Жыл бұрын

@@taintedgooch I heard Dave Ramsey say to always do a prenup and pitch it to the fiance as we are doing this in case your family or my family tries to pressure us into initiating a divorce. Whoever initiates the divorce is free to go but not without taking the biggest financial hit including full parental rights to the kids. I kind of agree with Ramsey: One doesn't want to tell the girl "Let's do a prenup and if you bail on me during the marriage I get 75-90%". But if I say "This is to protect us from each other's in-laws initiating and pressuring us they won't do it. Now here are some cases where the girl (or guy) is literally so dumb you have to be plain and direct about the consequences of the prenup.

@honor9lite1337 Жыл бұрын

@@tkleo2006 if she is so that dumb, marrying her is simply moronic act.

@Dad_of_War Жыл бұрын

Divorce doesn't really benefit anyone

@taintedgooch Жыл бұрын

@@tkleo2006 I'm assuming you either A you don't have kids or B you do and have already went through a divorce

@stevesteve1965 Жыл бұрын

There's a huge difference between men who have never been married and who are avoiding it to those who have been married and have their reasons to never get married again. I suspect he is referring to a group of males who are younger and have decided to not even contemplate marriage because of reasons they have yet to experience from a long term relationship but just only what they've heard about.. from bitter divorces or break ups.

@dalegrant9282 Жыл бұрын

Yeah man, solution is simple - have a wedding ceremony and announce the relationship to the world, but dont sign any paperwork

@andrewmartin7697 Жыл бұрын

So wouldn’t it be wiser to learn from others mistakes so you don’t end up becoming bitter from a divorce yourself?

@jonheye2045 Жыл бұрын

@@andrewmartin7697 yes you are definitely correct. I’m from the bitter side 😅 But seriously, even living together can get you in trouble bro. Common law marriage is a thing. This is the point. Most family courts will still favor the female no matter the cause. Definitely blue states but each county is different. A bitchy women can change 7 years into a marriage, with two toddlers at your feet and divorce you and have absolutely no reason and nobody cares. I consider myself lucky and lost only about 50k in total, 50% of my toddlers time, and my house at 2.5% rate. Other than that I’m fucking fine. But hey, get fake married or real married.. oh and good luck

@jonyD143 Жыл бұрын

@@jonheye2045 Did you marry with the state? I'm really trying to understand common law marriage and how I could manage my risk in the future. Should I have a trust and will before the marriage ceremony and will that even work?

@dalegrant9282 Жыл бұрын

@@jonyD143 Check the laws in your land... here in the UK it isn't a thing, thank god.

@mikebuck1897 Жыл бұрын

Great points. ‘22 much different time than ‘92 … when JP’s points had more validity.

@mikebuck1897 Жыл бұрын

@@blaster766 yeah, I have a real problem with those that get divorced due to “growing apart”…especially when they get have of the earnings in the settlement.

@kevper96 Жыл бұрын

Y’all two should have a strong one on one together. Podcast/ collab perhaps?

@Ben21987 Жыл бұрын

Rich has asked multiple times. JP doesn’t respond, which is pretty weak imho.

@lucaslopes1260 Жыл бұрын

@@Ben21987 Yeah. But JP goes to woke talk shows where he is constantly humiliated, instead of having an actual debate. Go figure.

@sandwich-breath Жыл бұрын

Hahaha why would he? Do pro athletes compete against beer leaguers? Jordan Peterson is an intellectual, Rich has a few talking points. I only hear the same thing over and over, and none of it has the depth or insight of anything JP has done.

@Ben21987 Жыл бұрын

@@sandwich-breath regurgitating tired trad con talking points in a pseudo-intellectual professorial fashion, marrying one of the first girls that touches your peepee and crying a lot don't equal depth and intelligence. JP has value and is smart on many topics but I'd put Rich's intellect against JP's any day of the week.

@honor9lite1337 Жыл бұрын

@@sandwich-breath I've read Jordan's book years ago, when he talk about his experience with the pubes of his grandmother.

@securemindsetofficial Жыл бұрын

Yes please, I would love to have both heros have this discussion. Please have him on.

@theflyingsmiley01 Жыл бұрын

Great video Rich!

@graduatecoach9487 Жыл бұрын

Yes, I, 55 and I share the same opinion, I simply do not drink anymore, spend the money or holidays, healthy ones, great advice :)

@dracon501 Жыл бұрын

Be the best man you can be. No argument there. But understand that in 2022 the average man has to compete against his wife's coworkers (bosses included), instagram, snapchat, whatsapp, Facebook secret messages, hinge, bumble, and tinder. The amount of outside attention she can seek on a daily cannot be replicated by a single man. Plus the amount of hollow praise, promises, and outright lies men will tell a woman in hopes of getting into her pants is astounding.

@dalegrant9282 Жыл бұрын

That is a fantastic point, the exposure of her to potential mates is 100000x what it was 50 years ago

@sandwich-breath Жыл бұрын

Make yourself into the kind of man that a woman would want to have you as her king. Stop whining and take responsibility for yourself

@giannisms1861 Жыл бұрын

@@sandwich-breath Not all women view their husband as a king no matter how high value he is. Their egos and feminism teaches them that this is not what women are supposed to do.

@sandwich-breath Жыл бұрын

@@giannisms1861 true, this is why we identify these women and steer clear. There’s no reason to waste time on a woman with a constant focus on male attention. Her father was absent from her childhood and she’ll only get past it with a lot of work…. And most women aren’t wired to take responsibility for their actions and lives. The RIGHT woman will treat you like a king.

@jamilibrahim884 Жыл бұрын

Hilarious

@demonicaxeman7264 Жыл бұрын

I would love for Rich Cooper and Jordan Peterson to have a debate.

@jeremywags Жыл бұрын

Rich is great but he would get destroyed in a debate with Dr Peterson.

@rcrbrewster7840 Жыл бұрын

@@jeremywags Because Rich doesn't talk in circles like Peterson.

@renegadezen7841 Жыл бұрын

I agree with JP on a lot of things but I completely disagree with him about his support of marriage.

@DragonNo1 Жыл бұрын

Without a shadow of doubt JBP does not provide a realistic assessment of the risks of marriage in the West. Probably, because he's married and aware that of the impact of his words could have within his own marriage. It is at this point that he resorts to shaming tactics on single men to be seen as he cares about marriage. Wouldn't it be better to treat the value of marriage by enunciating the caveats for men and women without assuming a rational female accountability that can't be perceived in that 80% of divorces initiated by women?

@Sketch_Sesh Жыл бұрын

@@leegrande8226Jordan is Babylonian controlled opposition

@toddjohnson271 Жыл бұрын

He is right that marriage is important to maintaining society. He is wrong in stressing to men to be married in this environment. Sorry, Jordan, you're just wrong here.

@rexduranzelandony Жыл бұрын

We, as men, can't pretend we are still living in 1950, where the wife was subservient to the husband and the state was not a part of your relationship. People like Jordan Peterson are saying that if we just act as if we were in the 50's, those times will come back. Not true, we need to adapt to this new reality. Women have changed, the government is on our bed now. Be careful and do not enter a shitty contract like marriage. You'll lose

@shanelaing4402 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely Would love to see Jordan converse with yourself Rich. Also, Tomassi and Tate etc. I get a lot out of Petersons teachings. I also get a lot out of your teachings and the like. I've listened to your book multiple times. It's like my Bible ha ha! But there are ideas and concepts that conflict. I'm reasonably intelligent, so I like to think I can process the information and come to my own conclusions. But the discussion would be well worth having and hearing. All the best.

@richardboran749 Жыл бұрын

Excellent podcast Rich 👍

@JimmyMFP Жыл бұрын

EDIT: Personally I would love to watch Rich and Dr Peterson discuss modern women and the coupling realities. I mean, Dr Peterson isn't wrong about what he's saying, in the priciple of it. The only thing that I consistently dislike about his position on things is from his position as a man who got married to a different generation of women, and is speaking from the point of view of a man - who has his own success - about how men not in his position should behave. The difference is, the men of today who are trying to find their unicorn, have no choice but to spin plates because the modern women have made that the norm. Men have always had to chase excellence, and it is women who have attempted, either through parentage or relationship manipulation, to turn men into 'simps' and 'betas'. Men all have it within themselves to be 'alpha', but society is driven by women socially, and so lawfully and socially women retain the position of protected sex, with little to no repercussions, men are encouraged not to hone their innate behaviour; men get a bad deal, generally, with modern women in marriage and long term relationships. What men seek in women has not changed, at all, it is women who have changed due to the misguided ideals of feminism (as in third wave feminism onward), and need to change back to restore normality, otherwise, Peterson will continue to be wrong about modern coupling.

@brendantindall805 Жыл бұрын

nothing against Rich, Peterson is good at what he does

@drizzydmys1680 Жыл бұрын

You should watch his video on polyamory if you type it in it’s like 5 minutes someone posted it. He made some good points on why that’s not good. As someone who has children and isn’t married I can tell you I agree with doctor Peterson on several things. Now you guys are right in the modern age divorce is dreadful & if you watch that he’s not saying marriage is for everyone it’s a difficult issue. But as a society marriage is the best thing we have and it is the most stable for children. I do believe that and it’s not a utopian answer but it is the best answer so I understand burning desire can’t be negotiated for sure. But such is life pick your suffering.

@Parental_Rights_in_Education Жыл бұрын

Rich, at the moment, you're the smartest in the community on this subject. You should try to get on the Tim Pool podcast or some other show to talk about why Jordan is wrong. I like Jordan and have followed him and you for awhile but your right on this one. Doing so would gain you additional exposure.

@hbkadventures2099 Жыл бұрын

I actually found your channel from the Andrew Klavan interview and it changed who i am

@jeffreyconstantino3799 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see a debate between Jordan Peterson and Rich. Both extremely educated and conservative men talking about important issues

@skysoblue9878 Жыл бұрын

There's nothing to debate. JP is on a crusade to save western civilization. He know about the divorce court, he's just omitting it because it hurt his cause.

@samsmusichub Жыл бұрын

Much thanks.

@ryanetch8922 Жыл бұрын

His book is worth the money. It's a short read but a good one.

@arturomariscal8009 Жыл бұрын

Excellent topic, just a coment about your mic, the audio gets lost or distorted at some points.

@MijoShrek Жыл бұрын

It's the sensitivity to the mic pick up. That damn particular mic drops audio as soon as you position any breadth from it at all.

@youngorion1524 Жыл бұрын

7:05 I have never seen nor heard nor experienced negotiating desire to ever work well for either party, especially when someone is unfaithful.

@TheClownWorldShow Жыл бұрын

I agree with JP's sentiments if they are referring more to NEET's and Incel types avoiding the responsibilities of real life out of fear and other feelings (like pathological avoidant disorder) for both real reasons in modern life but also made up or incorrectly conceived reasons in their heads, which also takes alot of potential good out of life by avoiding the bad

@hawlikd Жыл бұрын

I guess I am a creep, because I have never been married at age 56. Really Jordan?

@Sketch_Sesh Жыл бұрын

The West hasn’t produced wife and marriage material for a long time

@tmackn6592 Жыл бұрын

JP is book smart, but judging from much of what he says, he may not be so street smart, as few people are capable of both, even high IQ people

@23ofSeptember Жыл бұрын

Peterson was lucky to marry his childhood crush and so his point of view is based off his own experience. He doesn't have much experience dating other women, dating women with Red Flags etc. Sure, as a psychologist he has lots of experience with other people's marriages, but I believe he is being conceited and thinks just because HE has a successful marriage, everyone can too.

@clownworld4655 Жыл бұрын

My parents are exactly like this. Father is a natural alpha boomer who is oblivious to all of this because he never had to be conscious of it and times were different when he got married to my mom 30yrs ago (he was her first, but she was not his first as he had plenty of experience with women at a young age). My mom, surprisingly, is much more aware to how dating has drastically changed and is somewhat redpill aware even listening to Kevin Samuels when he was alive (she’s definitely the most based woman I know). In spite of all this they do still have some outdated views and beliefs because they got lucky in their marriage and don’t fully grasp that

@23ofSeptember Жыл бұрын

@@clownworld4655 I think of Peterson were to sit down with a guy using a dating app and watch them swipe left on a girl, he would be like "Well, whats wrong with her?" "How do you know that?" "You're too picky!" "There is nothing wrong with her"

@honor9lite1337 Жыл бұрын

@@23ofSeptember Peterson's advice would be right swipe on every girl.

@taintedgooch Жыл бұрын

There is no luck it's a grind people are just lazy now that's all

@clownworld4655 Жыл бұрын

@@taintedgooch keep drinking the kool aid

@johnz.2907 Жыл бұрын

Yes that would be great to hear both you guys debate.

@1trompet146 Жыл бұрын

Marriage is not for the people who are married, it is for the children. Most first marriages succeed. Pick a partner as suitable as possible. Children deserve to grow up in a stable home, marriage is the best bet if you want stable children. That also benefits society. If you don’t want children you can mess around until you die.

@dalegrant9282 Жыл бұрын

Stupid comment - you dont need to get married to be in a stable relationship and raise children, have a ceremony by all means, but dont sign any paperwork

@1trompet146 Жыл бұрын

@@dalegrant9282 A lot of quality (!) women that are going to be willing to have children, knowing that that will put them in a very vulnerable position for the next 10 years, will probably want to get married before they have said children. And that sure as hell is reasonable. Having a child will make a woman dependent and she will probably want to have some sort of reassurance that he will absolutely not leave under any circumstance.

@dalegrant9282 Жыл бұрын

@@1trompet146 That doesn't make any sense, why would a high quality man up and leave his kids? Plus, in your situation, the woman could just up and leave and take his money anyway so thats not an equal position... honestly these are outdated views imo, you dont need to sign paperwork and get a governement involved.

@1trompet146 Жыл бұрын

@@dalegrant9282 you don’t have to. But once you have kids you are kind of stuck together for the rest of your lives anyways, so you might as well get married to create a unity and show complete commitment to your partner and children. I really don’t see what the problem is unless you plan on splitting up.

@realman1349 Жыл бұрын

@@1trompet146 Don’t see the problem? It seems as though you’re ignoring what many wise men are saying regarding the risk vs benefit of marriage.

@travisvanekelenburg Жыл бұрын

I wondered if JBP's views are a bit old school as he has been married a long time with his views leaning to Christianity in the traditional family sense. He has not been out in the dating world in recent times to see the chaos that it is. Social Media and culture shifts has caused a huge negative effect on the man/woman relationship. So Rich, your views are more in alignment with current times. I do think a lot about 100 or 500 years from now how males and females will be interacting and what will happen to the human race as a result.

@dshogan6174 Жыл бұрын

Your audio is like being underwater listening to you blow bubbles. Better check that. Tried it on 3 devices all with different connections to the inet

@robertfulenwider9024 Жыл бұрын

The audio is all screwed up on this video.

@aaronvalure178 Жыл бұрын

I Would love to see you guys talk

@SJK-ROW-K Жыл бұрын

As a follower of both you guys, I think you and Jordan should def debate this - you going on his channel or him coming on yours

@Ben21987 Жыл бұрын

Rich has asked multiple times but JP doesn’t respond 😐

@Sevjualma Жыл бұрын

JP gets tons of debate requests daily, he typically only debates academics. This said I love the most of Rich’s work, especially about going from a Beta male to an Alpha male and how the relationship is best managed when the guy leads.

@SJK-ROW-K Жыл бұрын

@@Sevjualma YEAH dig all that just don't dig Rich's weak bitch-ass attack on Jordan's daughter - totally a crying bitch move on his part

@SJK-ROW-K Жыл бұрын

@@Ben21987 Now I know why! - no self respecting father would agree to a chat with someone who slated their daughter - Rich little spoilt guy blew it!

@johnnybeas8139 Жыл бұрын

I think if both of you debated it wouldn't be much of one. I believe you'd find more common ground than not. A conversation, a good one at that.

@DaRKHuNTeRMK Жыл бұрын

His daughter is a feminist, single mom, who is a boss-babe, and divorced the top g.. a few buzz words that discredit everything he does.. he does the talking somewhat but he does none of the walking

@bdgregorybd Жыл бұрын

You don’t have to get married to have a family with a woman. My Uncle had two sons with his girlfriend of 40 years and they’ve still been living in the same household. My father cannot say the same about my mother who cheated on him with my step dad and then divorced him. Marriage strictly benefits women. I plan to have a family, but have no intention of marrying unless the laws change. Sorry not sorry.

@ArcticRanger5O1 Жыл бұрын

Reeses

@bgt2848 Жыл бұрын

I agree with JP on almost everything. But I feel I’d looking at marriage from the 50 when there was a great deal more moral virtue in it from community and church and personal responsibility. Peterson is a Asset to men who want to be moral men I would love a meeting of minds

@therockreviews9007 Жыл бұрын

The foam Canon party has traumatised Rich.

@illwitness Жыл бұрын

Lol! 😂

@lookbehindyou5951 Жыл бұрын

I was about to say the same thing. But yeah marriage at least where it's hostile for men is not a good idea

@therockreviews9007 Жыл бұрын

I would love to know what happened at that foam Canon party. I bet Kevin from sales was somehow involved.

@illwitness Жыл бұрын

@@therockreviews9007 Foam canon party has been irretrievably burned into his psyche, lol.

@vimal-cliobconsulting Жыл бұрын

the problem is he's world class at what he do so for women he was never a scarce and for him his mission is number one. The problem is 99% men are not world class at what they do. So that's why his advice ain't work on them.

@randomargument972 Жыл бұрын

Why's microphone bad?

@captnhuffy Жыл бұрын

Right. I think JP is stuck in the mindset of the year his Son was born.. That is the "bookmark" for his intellect. In other words JP's immature Son has a better handle on the world that JP does. I know that my father, and older brother too, are both stuck in a kind of "time-warp"

@Herbster41 Жыл бұрын

I was married to my first wife for 11 years. I gave up sex, money, more money, respect (and when I'm really honest with myself, self-respect), just about everything in life that I enjoyed, and when she decided she wanted out - I lost my kids. JP is a smart guy, but he doesn't know every f***** thing.

@888ssss Жыл бұрын

you can have the ceremony, just no signing any documents.

@Rachel.Nicole Жыл бұрын

there’s no custody battle when you’re not married..?

@lookbehindyou5951 Жыл бұрын

@Nightmastercool97 Жыл бұрын

I am a demon summon d from the depths of hell, so is there something wrong with that as well.

@daveb8679 Жыл бұрын

The culture is dying. Our replacement rate is untenable. How do you propose we sustain our culture?

@Parental_Rights_in_Education Жыл бұрын

Rich, at the moment, you're the smartest in the community on this subject. You should try to get on the Tim Pool podcast or some other show to talk about why Jordan is wrong. I like Jordan and have followed him and you for awhile but you're right on this one. Doing so would gain you additional exposure, solidify your presence, and it could bring a lot of steam to your channel.

@maosamoelaabraham5012 Жыл бұрын

I also think it depends on where you are geographically but Jordan Peterson in my sense is right...I live in Africa where people are more or less conservative and the government is not involved. So, what he said is true over here.

@Eric-kn4yn Жыл бұрын

Don't rely too much on JP 's advice I don't know how he's has got a following from australia.

@bitkong9445 Жыл бұрын

Peterson is not only half beta but he is also half socialist

@jeffb.4800 Жыл бұрын

JP is no socialist lmao

@benhartart9487 Жыл бұрын

if a women wont submit to the man (who is to lead) then the man submits to the woman and the relationship is doomed

@selfmaderish4690 Жыл бұрын

i agree with jordan but wanted to hear rich opinion.

@Rachel.Nicole Жыл бұрын

Carrying a child for 9 months just for them to have a different last name than me sounds absolutely ridiculous, I want them to have their fathers last name, but we should all have the same last name because we’re a family …

@lookbehindyou5951 Жыл бұрын

Well if that's your take then why not

@lookbehindyou5951 Жыл бұрын

Just make sure to not be a red flag to the father

@Toxic_Male_Minimalist Жыл бұрын

Never getting married. And I hope Jordan cries about it on stage.

@Drumbeat52 Жыл бұрын

I give no credence to someone's opinion that has never experienced the situation in question, even if they have an academic background. Sorry Jordan, I am not biting. He said in one video that the purpose of a man's life is obligation and even made it sound to me like your life was not a priority.

@m9j263 Жыл бұрын

I agree with you Rich. Seems Jordan on the marriage area lacks "street smart".

@SeekingNamelessly Жыл бұрын

JP's comments only apply to the original classical feminine woman - not to the majority of the current selection. The assumption is that all options for your wife is going to be a conscientious, agreeable, hardworking woman who who enter into and respect your frame. Yeah, NO. Not happening in this world. Still love both you guys

@JoshAnthonyMcDowell 9 ай бұрын

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 L jbp on this one

@Mr.V888 Жыл бұрын

Your audio on this one is really sketchy, makes it a difficult piece for the ears, can you fix it?

@user-th3ll8rl7i Ай бұрын

As with many issues, there are alway many sides, many variables to consider. The point of Marriage is really for the benefit of children, that's it. It's so children can grow up in a stable home with two parents which obviously is the best situation for them. But of course there are other aspects to it. Women are obsessed with getting married: is it because they are so glad to be in a stable relationship with the man they love; no, because that situation doesn't necessarily require marriage. They are obsessed because it's a guaranteed income, so no matter what happens, if the relationship goes south, they still have access to the man's income and assets. The other unspoken very politically incorrect aspect of marriage I've noticed over the years, is that it's very common that once women get married, they let themselves go physically. I used to be puzzled by these land whales in Walmart wheeling around a toddler in their shopping carts. How? Who stuck their John Thomas in them to knock them up (I'm using that euphemism because U tube sends me warnings if you use naughty words) Then it dawned on me, they didn't always look like that. At one time they were actually quite attractive. Once they got their baby they no longer cared. They let themselves go, and the marriage contract guarantees them income, no matter how repulsive they become.

@lc9635 Жыл бұрын

JP's risk mitigation is to be extremely careful in who you choose to marry. That is risk mitigation in LIFE. A bad partner can ruin either a husband or a wife. He does speak about the importance of getting that part right. Maybe not specifically in the clip but as a true JP fan and having read his books, he absolutely makes it clear that your choice in a partner has everything to do with the quality of life you will have.

@overkill7990 Жыл бұрын

Because women can never change on you..

@jgiaccotto78 8 ай бұрын

What JP doesn't understand is that he is coming from a place with his own experience from women mainly in HIS GENERATION. Not todays modern women and how different they are and how much they have fallen from grace in todays society. 50-60 years ago society was centered around the family unit and legacy. Not anymore.....

@benhartart9487 Жыл бұрын

he is speaking from a religious lens, I am not religious, so I do not think those things he said are "demonic" but this is my individual opinion. Inviting the state into your life is not a bright idea.

@HORUS9 Жыл бұрын

wow I had no idea Peterson was a simp until now !!!

@daveg4417 Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson is full of it when it comes to marriage. I've been married and divorced and lost everything. Peterson would change his tune if he went through a divorce and lost everything.

@johnesmer5635 Жыл бұрын

Ahhh . married men are like that Why . ..I truly thing that thay know that have ,f, up big time.. So thay use strong language to defend there bad decisions

@derek5168 Жыл бұрын

I agree with a lot of what Jordan peterson says but not all single men are like that and not all married men are responsible just talk to their wives and children

@clownworld4655 Жыл бұрын

I agree with a lot of what Peterson says, but have always known his advice on relationships and marriage is total garbage. Not his field of expertise

@vimal-cliobconsulting Жыл бұрын

@LotusHart01 Ай бұрын

Each generation of western society faces its own set of rule adjustments. Marriage worked much better for Silent, Boomers and Gen X. For Millennials, Gen Z and Gen Alpha, not so much.

@stevec3526 Жыл бұрын

Sorry, when the quality of women is so low and the marriage laws are so draconian I can understand why so many men don’t want to get married. Jordan also tells men to go on 25 Tinder dates so they learn how to relate to women. That is ignorant and damned naive.

@mybadvideos Жыл бұрын

It's been interesting for me chewing on Jordan Peterson's ideas as an irreligious person. I find some of what he says attractive but he has an awful lot of religious baggage. I'm also a bit of a lefty.

@YOUPIMatin123 Жыл бұрын

Jordan peterson is a banal and blend person with very convoluted ideas that are easy to refute when they are not so blend and surface level all people agree.

@doughooper9918 Жыл бұрын

JP is as plugged in as it gets. Just look at the product of the plugged in, his daughter and ask if that is how women should behave.

@pete531 Жыл бұрын

JP is a philosopher NOT an alpha warrior. Wanna become good tennis player ? Talk to Rafael Nadal not Lewis Hamilton. I knew everything is going to boil down to how men need to try harder or be repaired

@youngorion1524 Жыл бұрын

1:53 is he talking to women here? Because...

@jimdandy8996 Жыл бұрын

Should a man marry someone like his daughter? Would that cause stability in a man's life?

@brendantindall805 Жыл бұрын

I've listened to Jordan Peterson quite a bit, Rich what's your thoughts on maybe you just picked some of his comments out of context and had a crack, just wondering

@chamuuemura5314 Жыл бұрын

Attacking tangentially is a flattering way to ride coattails. TBH, I’d only follow advice that could be universally beneficial. The problem with alpha/pill advice is that if men universally applied it, society would collapse due to population ending. While Jordan’s advice may be based on optimistic assumptions, at least it leads to a sustainable outcome.

@Quickeasyguitarlessons Жыл бұрын

He contradicts himself. He’s a beta.

@carljohnson6264 Жыл бұрын

I am following along.. I love you rich, But Don’t debate the master I’ve seen others try and they fail miserably. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong. I love Jordan Peterson He has helped me and is definitely the mind of our time. I know what you mean about him when it comes to females and marriage etc. I truly believe he is genuinely helping folks out here, and that’s part of the issue: He’s not gonna hold women accountable, they already hate him , so he’s not gonna make it that much worse. It’s simply not a good business decision for him to make women angrier than he already has by helping young men out. I think Jordan sometimes comes from a place of the “in a perfect world scenario” Love your content as always How about a conversation with Jordan instead of a debate.

@lc9635 Жыл бұрын

I'm a woman and I absolutely love JP. I think he and Rich have a lot of great advice for men. My only point of contention is this advice of Rich's to never agree to marriage. If you as a man have found love and that woman is a good woman, a divorce will not ruin you. I divorced and I did not take anything that was his. I'm engaged now and should this relationship end it would be the same. And in both cases they both have better income and assets such as pensions, annuities and property.

@carljohnson6264 Жыл бұрын

@@lc9635 hello there .. I’m Carl. Do you not feel like a man and a woman can have love without a marriage? No offense or ill will, Seriously simply asking : Why the compulsion to get married? I’d love to know more of your ideas and opinions. I lost everything over losing custody of my daughter that I had raised to age 8 by myself. Lots of trauma and mental illness Lost my home and family. All because of females and family court( even the judge was a female) Just wondering how you feel about the landscape of family law etc

@lc9635 Жыл бұрын

@@carljohnson6264 Hey Carl. Of course they can. But I'm here to tell you that a lot of high quality women want marriage. Why? I guess because of the romantic side of it. I'm not sure because for myself, it's not about financial stability, maybe it's fair to call it relationship stability. The important part is to marry the right person that has a good heart and their own money so if you do split, they have pride and ethics and don't need to try to take from you or not be fair to you. There's a lot of traah out there so be careful who you fall for!

@Lambdamale. Жыл бұрын

There is a lot of truth in JPs statement. A man without a family, with nothing to lose, noone relying on him, can be a very dangerous and unhinged person.

@leettroll496 Жыл бұрын

I dont usually comment, but your sound is rather bad compared to things you did before. Plz fix before putting stuff online.

@nomadlight Жыл бұрын

JP is religious so they all get married i rest my case

@normanlewis2953 Жыл бұрын

The thing is I'd rather take advice from a man happily married for 30+ years than a divorced 40+ year old. Men's advice guys are helpful but they're all just imitation crab meat compared to JP.

@mrbryanbel Жыл бұрын

Interesting video; however, I think this is a straw man argument here. You reiterate Peterson saying, "When you're sacrificing marriage..." but that is NOT what he states. He asks, "What are you sacrificing to get married...?" and then proceeds to list nihilism, promiscuity and host of other vices. You go on to say, "There's a lot of disparaging words that he's using to describe men that don't get married." However, that is also not what he is saying. Men who choose to opt out of marriage do not have to, by default, engage in the nihilism, juvenilism, promiscuity, etc. that he lists. But, there are those who prefer to opt out of marriage so that they CAN engage in those practices. If the manosphere is going to be critical of the promiscuity of western women, and rightly so, then the same critique should fall squarely on the shoulders of men who do the same. If not, nihilism is most certainly in view.

@soundkode Жыл бұрын

You've automatically associated the action of marriage to the legal union rather than the religious union.

@mx2048 Жыл бұрын

You have not many viewers. Peterson may not be interested in spending his time with you when there is no real incentive.

@WiscoFisherman93 Жыл бұрын

Just lost all respect for him

@CJ-zz9ts Жыл бұрын

What Rich Cooper gets wrong about marriage!

@dipsuny Жыл бұрын

Rich you are terrific..but we should not be fathering bastards intentionally..at least do a ceremonial and have a spiritual right for your sons..it makes a very BIG difference to my kids on what their bloodline is and who their wedded parents are..marriage is critical for the success for your Blood.. And yes I agree with most of what you said about Peterson..he has a feminist view

@sistematico17 Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson => Beta

@sandwich-breath Жыл бұрын

This is nonsense. I’m out.

@Stan0070 Жыл бұрын

Cooper you are also wrong about a lot of things about marriage.

@andrewmartin7697 Жыл бұрын

Like what?

@arbiter8246 Жыл бұрын

Come on. Tell us. Don’t be shy.

@steveberman2619 Жыл бұрын

Take Jordan’s advice before rich’s

@Ed19859 Жыл бұрын

Jbp talks some good stuff some of the times but also he talks a lot of nonsense also.

@beegpink-johnson6344 Жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson’s lectures are socialism and whatnot are tremendous, his advice towards women however is godawful, plus homie was xanned out of his brain during his peak of popularity which ultimately didn’t end well.

@vimal-cliobconsulting Жыл бұрын

He's Christian that's the reason