What Makes Abstract Art Good & Is It Easy? - Abstract Art Explained (Part 4)

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Table of contents:
00:00 - 1. Introduction
00:23 - 2. Abstract art put to the test: How hard can it be?
00:47 - 3. How to value the quality of an abstract artwork?
04:36 - 4. The major challenge for abstract artists
06:33 - 5. Why abstract art can be more difficult compared to figurative art
07:09 - 6. Hobby abstract painting
07:46 - 7. Examples of good abstract art
09:34 - 8. Conclusion
10:17 - 9. Further reading
10:39 - 10. Outro
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@karlabritfeld7104 Жыл бұрын

No. Abstract art is not easy. But it's so rewarding when you finish a piece and you love it.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Hard work is rewarded 💪

@demiankoons3802 9 ай бұрын

Abstract art is one of the biggest lies of humans in modern times.

@Larimuss 25 күн бұрын

For me, abstract is easy 😂 because it's fun and I don't have to spend a long time on it. But good abstract art, that's a whole other thing. I wouldnt say mine was particularly good 😂

@VisualMeditation1982 Жыл бұрын

I love the expressions of dog he is listening carefully 😊

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Could watch her all day long!

@robertarisz8464 Жыл бұрын

I have had my trip to the museum spoiled many times by hearing someone say "I could paint that too". I always think "but you didn't". The difference between Pollack and some drunken guy splashing paint in his garage is huge.

@grafplaten Жыл бұрын

Maybe not so huge....Pollock himself suffered from alcoholism.

@themysteriousdomainmoviepalace Жыл бұрын

Lol!

@hilarierath265 Жыл бұрын

Sometimes the drunk in the garage speaks to us!

@harikatragadda Жыл бұрын

When you hear a drunken guy who splashes paint in his garage that he can do it too, its a bad trip to the museum.

@desertstar223 6 ай бұрын

Pollock WAS a drunk who conned the art world . Or I should rather say the art world allowed themselves to be conned by a drunk.

@themysteriousdomainmoviepalace Жыл бұрын

I think making abstract art is harder because you have nothing to hang on to. Your dog is a work of art.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

I agree 100%! Thank you for tuning in

@karlabritfeld7104 Жыл бұрын

It's hard.

@red2744 6 ай бұрын

bruh. harder? really i did years of uni and more years of non stop painting to become decent at classical realism. abstract formless painting is nothing

@themysteriousdomainmoviepalace 3 ай бұрын

@@red2744I suppose it depends on how you are.

@Larimuss 25 күн бұрын

For me it's easier because as a kid I often drew patterns and random shapes and things just doing whatever I felt in the moment. That's not to say my art is very good. But it's easy for me to do. Also because I'm not that skilled at painting.

@robertspies4695 Жыл бұрын

These are all good points, but the value of a painting is in how it resonates emotionally which does not seem to be addressed directly. Doing something new contributes to the emotional response to be fair.

@tendr247 Жыл бұрын

I cannot draw professionally.....or totally realistic yet my abstract art I keep painting over eventually becomes something I love.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

And that's all that matters. Go for it!

@deepashtray5605 Жыл бұрын

Marketing talent is also a major factor.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

But in most cases, this is not the artist's job but their gallery's. Thank you for tuning in!

@petemc5070 Жыл бұрын

Very clear analysis. Sometimes abstract work has to be seen in a gallery as it is weak in reproduction compared to figurative and surface finish is so important. I was stunned by Josef Albers' 'Homage to the Square: R-NW IV' painting in the Scottish National Gallery Of Modern Art (Modern One) last summer. The colour was intense in a way I'd never imagined a painting could be.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, great example. Sometimes, if you see an abstract picture on a computer screen or on your phone, it looks easy to replicate. However, the quality of the selected materials and the way they are used can have a very subtle but tremendous difference. That's why most hobby abstract artists' their work look so "stock", a pre-prepared canvas and acrylic paint straight from the tube with no prior research or process in between picking it up from the art supply store and using it. With high-end abstract art, there is an entirely different sensation and presence of the artwork.

@wikidub Жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Very well expressed. Most abstract art is formulaic and as you say "home decoration" - dull and worthy. Very few artists build up a practice of unique styles which do not ape the pioneers, or if they do pay homage at least bring it into a contemporary form. Surface, technique and media are important because they distinguish the work of an exceptional abstract painter from a hobby artist or that done by a computer programme. Reputable dealers and savvy buyers know what is true innovative abstract art and what is wall decoration for offices, care homes and living rooms. The dog...

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Very well put to words, I couldn't agree more! Greetings from Belgium-from myself and, of course, Perrier the dog!

@cherylerome-beatty4677 Жыл бұрын

I love this channel! This episode really helped me to evaluate and understand abstract art as well as my own.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Hi Cheryle, that's great to hear. Wishing you all the best!

@shawnt7289 Жыл бұрын

Very well explained, I think passion is woven in and out of the canvas of the mind , only to be outwardly exposed to be inwardly taken back in .

@internationalicon Жыл бұрын

Art students learn to create a product mainly for the use of a rather narrow group of art collectors , who have the means and space to collect and show the artworks. Talk at some point about the exclusivity of art production, as opposed to consumption by, or any broader use by, the population as a whole

@jamesg2382 10 ай бұрын

Well developed argument, I really appreciate the way you have approached this question. Thank you

@contemporaryartissue 10 ай бұрын

The pleasure is all mine, thank you for watching and wishing you a great day!

@Marceau.Verdiere.Atelier 11 ай бұрын

“Easy” is such a complicated and laden word in art…kuddos to have taken on the subject, and well done as usual. I always tackle this with my students with the works of Cy Twombly: When Cy Twombly was making his doodles and mark paintings, which by any arguable way would be “easy” to make, few people understood that Cy Twombly tried his whole life to reconnect with what it means to paint like a little child: free from all convention, pressures, doubt, and righteousness about art. He of course could never succeed, as you are inevitably polluted by adulthood. But the point was that the ultimate artistic expression was that of an unburdened mind, a little child’s mind, and his scribbles and others were aiming to find and reconnect with this elusive and ephemeral moment in life. Abstract art, when it is created to translate ideas and concepts that cannot be figurative, should hopefully not preoccupy itself with whether it is/looks easy, and one can wish that the viewer is willing to make an effort as well and engage with the ideas. The balance for us artists that are abstract and/ or conceptual is to figure out how much we have to guide and help the viewers get past their first impression. And as you so pertinently point out , a helpful and simply written artist statement goes a long way to build the right kind of bridges, and that is definitely NOT easy 😅… thanks again for a great video

@contemporaryartissue 11 ай бұрын

Great comment; thank you for sharing this. You're absolutely right, and I also believe Twombly is a great example. Almost instantly, when seeing a work by Twombly, you feel there is more to it. Not easy indeed! Thank you for tuning in and wishing you all the best!

@DanielLopes-jt8yl Жыл бұрын

As always your commentary is spot on. You don’t need me telling you this but I got to. Your good dam good it helps being reminded. Again thank you!

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words once more, I appreciate it!

@jeanettekamphuisofartistic1414 Жыл бұрын

This was very encouraging as I have found my own style and it takes a long time to finish as it need many layers maybe, or it might need to hang on wall half finished till one sees what’s lacking. When u paint out of ur soul…. It takes time/patience

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, beautifully put into words. Thank you for tuning in!

@karlabritfeld7104 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Don't be in a rush. Most artists don't go far enough and stop too soon.

@shawnt7289 Жыл бұрын

Very well explained and I think passion is woven in and throughout the canvas of the mind ,exposed outwardly and only to be picked back up inwardly.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for tuning in!

@ARTOMAS Жыл бұрын

Great job !!! i agree !!! it's take so much time & really strong motivation...To deliver our art ''messages'' to the world.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, Thank you for tuning in!

@karlabritfeld7104 Жыл бұрын

And the majority of people don't understand it. But that doesn't stop me.

@carmennavar6961 Жыл бұрын

Much food for thought excellent critique on Abstract ART

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. Have a great day!

@katdodd5801 19 күн бұрын

Perrier seemed concerned about your mental stability ... wondering who you were talking to and why they were invisible....lol. Excellent explanation of abstract art! Thank you!

@z-man7883 22 күн бұрын

Great points in the video and very well said

@RivenaKat 7 ай бұрын

I would love to hear you expand upon why subcategories such as abstract pour art are immediately labeled with a lack of quality when they can still get high quality inputs. That seems directly like action expressionism where you can either end get a Pollock or a child’s mess-no difference from what I see.

@vicentejouclas2518 Жыл бұрын

The world is stimulating through the eyes of Art.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Hi Vicente, thank you for tuning in. Absolutely!

@murilocenovicz4946 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Thanks for all the knowledge!

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

The pleasure is all mine, thank you for tuning in!

@missinglink9973 Жыл бұрын

excellent as always

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! All my best, Julien

@shahidhassanboni3555 Жыл бұрын

you are the best discovery i have made on youtube. Thanks for sharing such upto daite and detailed videos. . Best wishing and thanks from Pakistan.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

That's great to hear, thank you so much for your most kind words. Greetings from Belgium!

@AsiyaBajwa 7 ай бұрын

Nicely explained!

@joecasvin4107 Ай бұрын

Thank you !!

@desertportal353 Жыл бұрын

Another thoughtful and helpful vid. And the book is really good as well - read it several times since getting it several years ago. Thanks for your channel- subscribed.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for tuning in and for the kind comment-yes it's a great read indeed! All my best, JD

@jpo.a.7623 Жыл бұрын

Subscribed ✌ Very nice. Needed some insight on this since I've been getting into abstract painting/art. Will keep following for sure. Loved the dog btw ✌😎🎨

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you for subscribing, I appreciate it 🙏 Great to hear you enjoyed the video and the best assistant director/dog in the world, Perrier. Have a great day!

@lauramason5667 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this well thought out lecture. I stayed on history in college and I often say what their sarcastic voice that #ArtIsPlayedOutCompletelyI’mNotSureIfThisIsTrueOrMaybeI’mNotLookingAtTheRightArtists but you’ve perhaps proved me wrong.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Art can never be played out! We have been creating art since the dawn of humanity, and we will continue to do so for as long as we are around. Thank you for tuning in Laura!

@o.aldenproductions.9858 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing this is so enlightening 👌💕

@bobstar2683 Жыл бұрын

A rather good video addressing the main points of criticism levelled at poor abstract artists on social media by those that seem to think its all a "scam".

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you for tuning in and for the comment! Have a great day

@riteasrain 6 ай бұрын

You both did a great job of that 🤩😊

@treezydcm Жыл бұрын

Amazing video. So well explained. Your dog is so chill out.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the most kind words! She definitely is loving her life :-)

@kennydreadfuls861 Жыл бұрын

I think he is speaking more to how abstract art becomes valuable when the method and materials are groundbreaking in some aspect that artist then enters the annals of reference and study by further artists.

@michaelhemmingartist Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Very enjoyable and well summed up. Even your dog seemed to enjoy it. I expect he'll be giving abstracts a go in the next video 😂

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you for tuning in and for the kind words. Haha yes she loves creating an abstract paw painting in our living room after a rainy walk 😅

@jayumble8390 Жыл бұрын

This is fantastic...thanks so much CAI !!

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Thank you for tuning in 🙌

@Majesticon 6 ай бұрын

it also depends on degree of success you're looking for. plenty of hobbyist, beginners and folks just messing around have sold paintings on instagram for a few hundred dollars and have turned it into a business. their art is meaningless, of course, but its definitly possible to make money doing the bare minimum (i'm sure you know this, it's just an interesting phenomenon)

@scenteddiamond7659 Жыл бұрын

your assistant director is very professional 👍🏼

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

She's the best! Thanks for tuning in!

@PoorBoyPennyShow 11 ай бұрын

IM AN ABSTRACT ARTIST AND ITS THE ADVENTURE EACH WORK TAKES ME ON ,,EASY BECAUSE I WANT IT ,,,,IVE BEEN PAINTING 40 YEARS ITS SECOND NATURE TO CREATE A PAINTING FROM NOTHING ,,NO PLANING ,,JUST MAYBE AN INSPIRED IDEA OR A FEELING I GET ,,ONCE I GET STARTED ,,THE PAINTING PAINTS ITSEF TELLING ME WHAT TO DO NEXT,,,,I LOVE IT

@contemporaryartissue 11 ай бұрын

If you enjoy, than the painting was a success already

@grozdavranic6972 Жыл бұрын

Great Information..Thank you for sharing...

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

The pleasure is all mine, thank you for tuning in!

@seviregis7441 Жыл бұрын

Very helpful, excellent insights. That said, the dog is adorable, wants a cuddle, and is trying to figure out who you’re talking to....

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Hi Sevi, thank you so much for tuning in and for the most kind words. Yes, she is the best! She gets numerous pets and some treats when filming because she's such a good girl. She really knows the drill by now. As soon as I get out the tripod and camera she gets into position on the couch for her fans 😂 Thank you and stay in touch!

@marth9660 Жыл бұрын

Another great video. It’s the “process” of abstraction that I find most challenging. Finding originality in mark-making, nuancing the application of paint, creating balance and impact with form and line, letting the paint speak with different viscosity etc etc. The elitism of the art world is an added pressure too because so many authentic and important voices are lost or excluded but I also don’t believe abstraction in painting can be successful unless the artist can actually skilfully draw and paint to begin with. This series of videos is great (and I love the dog as well as the presenter). ❤

@karlabritfeld7104 Жыл бұрын

Yes you should be able to draw in the first place but don't let that stop you from boldly going forward and trying new ideas.

@bm4114 7 ай бұрын

“Mark making” lol. Such an art buzz phrase.

@maxpoulin5744 Жыл бұрын

Super cool content man, this is awesome thank you and I love your dog !!!

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! She's the best isn't she :-) Greetings from us both!

@John-rk2bl 10 ай бұрын

Very well explained, its obvious you know the subject

@contemporaryartissue 10 ай бұрын

Thank you very much, have a great day!

@brvndxxxn Жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

🙌

@avaliveradio Жыл бұрын

Love this.

@avaliveradio Жыл бұрын

@jacquelinejax

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

@liliannaa3627 3 ай бұрын

Perrier is absolutely lovely!😍 And your content is amazing!👏👏👏

@notsharingwithyoutube Жыл бұрын

That was a great video. Thanks.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Thank you for tuning in

@dianehansma1725 10 ай бұрын

Your dog is adorable…his/her facial expressions are great…..he/she just can’t figure out who you are talking to though😊! Thanks for your expertise advice!

@contemporaryartissue 10 ай бұрын

She's the best! When I am rambling on for these videos in another language, she must be very confused. But in Dutch, I often believe she understands every single word 😅 The pleasure is all mine, thank you for tuning in and greetings from us both!

@pauleliot6429 2 ай бұрын

very good ideas.

@vrejtamazian524 Жыл бұрын

Sehr gut erklärt. Gute Abstract Bilder zu malen ist sehr schwer, eigenartige Talent muss man haben, visioner muss sein.

@ninavidmar8150 11 ай бұрын

i love how the dog just waits for his attention the whole video :)

@contemporaryartissue 11 ай бұрын

She's the best! ❤

@rosidmuhtadi6339 Жыл бұрын

Abstract art is "purgatory". Im a naturalist but sometimes i make abstract too. Its like take a bath after a long sweaty day..

@newworldlove7031 Жыл бұрын

I was told at my Art & Design College that anything you do with intention to be Art is Art!!

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Yes, that is a very good point. In our definition of what makes an artwork contemporary, the intention is one of the four conditions and a pretext for art.

@cherylerome-beatty4677 Жыл бұрын

In this definition, i understand, that is saying that the "process" is the point of art (which is probably the main point: to create freely, joyfully and without fear) whereas this video discusses the "result", distinguishing the art from art making, and hobby art. One of my biggest evaluations of my own work is "does this look like something that anyone could have painted (i.e. on Instagram)?"

@bigdrumskyreligion 9 ай бұрын

Occasionally someone will say "I could do that" referring to Pollack or another artist and I always challenge them to prove it. If you can do it, then do it. Show me the work. No one has ever accepted the challenge. Usually the person will avoid talking to me afterwards, which is fine.

@contemporaryartissue 9 ай бұрын

Love it; "Show me the work." Thank you for tuning in!

@thesawdustcollector1489 Жыл бұрын

At 9:34 I thought he said "In a nutshell, we have established, anyone can buy cannibis and paint from the art supply store and paint an abstract painting."

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@franciskodankandath210 Ай бұрын

❤❤❤Artist Francis Antony Kodankandath, Kerala, India 🎉

@Apollo_Blaze 3 ай бұрын

Very nice video. You may be right.

@CarolineVisArtGallery Жыл бұрын

I like your vidéos thx for create them

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

The pleasure is all mine, thank you for tuning in!

@luluesparza7360 Жыл бұрын

I think a good non-representative abstract can be difficult, technically, and I think good abstract art comes from those that have creativity and vision.

@contemporaryartissue 11 ай бұрын

Definitely! Thank you for tuning in

@curranlouise Жыл бұрын

very good thank you

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

The pleasure is all mine, thank you for watching!

@sanatsutunu Жыл бұрын

Great 👍

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you for tuning in and for the kind comment!

@YuriiAbstractART Жыл бұрын

Beautiful work, well done author, who agrees press ❤️

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your kind words!

@cxxlkxush_0 Жыл бұрын

That dog is so beaut!

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

She definitely is! Thank you!

@JSMatteson Жыл бұрын

So, successful (abstract) artists are cultural antagonists that creatively confront clichés vs. designers?

@Roonasaur 6 ай бұрын

White text with a black outline can be read over any background color . . .

@deelynn8611 Жыл бұрын

Your dog is just beautiful.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

She is the best! Thank you for tuning in and greetings from us both

@latetodagame1892 Жыл бұрын

Yes

@user-mh7ld8ki4y 10 ай бұрын

Now you understand how hard we try hours and hours of working and u just did it bro so proud and ur pup is highly impressed by your speech awww but no problem you do as you feel like it is the point when all goes in negation it is when abstract artists win atkeast u tried bro and the feeling you made something makes us proud and sure often criticism is always there infact artists are sensitive bro Jackson pollock is the iconoc artist / thank you also we let others feel its easy but bro it's not one plus one is 2 but we don't say two / I would love to send u a painting made by me just imagine give my love to your labardor yes at some time they look overfed but ur puppy looks in perfect shape may no evil eye cone near you and ur pup stay known and I am following u 🎉 who I see ur speech now u kniw😊 because bro its the vibe sure 🎉take care exactly 😊 🎉😊 keep up the postings I will say hi to my lab from ur side blessed and yes u ate wise abstract art us no joke it seriously an art take carebye

@contemporaryartissue 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for tuning in!

@PaulPineda29 Жыл бұрын

The dog seems relaxed

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

She is! Loves her couch :-) Thanks for tuning in!

@lenscap8925 Жыл бұрын

And depending who is coming over ...turn the canvas 90 degrees... daily turn it 90 degrees...clockwise of course😉 On a serious note, what is the dividing line between designer wall art and ground breaking masterpiece?

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

First and foremost, the intention. Then, the originality versus the designated job and design they get from the house owners. Further, the personal technique when it comes to the execution, instead of a commonly known craft.

@Mary-mx4fx 11 ай бұрын

I got healed of schizophrenia!!! I just prayed!!!

@carlosillustrates 7 ай бұрын

Abstract can go bad really quick. I started painting one some time ago and it turned into a muddy mess, I ended up scraping the paint off and started over. The end result had a dynamic look to it so we hung it in the dining room, but it sold soon after my husband post a pic of it on Facebook.

@Moodysmilez 5 ай бұрын

I’m a weird artist and I layer my paintings but I also make it for me and no one else.

@d.l.7399 9 ай бұрын

When gifted, very, very easy...

@janalyngraham1035 Жыл бұрын

I fundamentally disagree with your statements in '6. Hobby Art'. Just because a specific medium or technique (such as pour painting or modeling paste) is already being utilized by others doesn't make it inherently bad. That's akin to saying no new painting can be good because the artist used acrylic paint, or oil paint, and SSSOOOOO many people are using those mediums. Additionally, to make the assertion that no other techniques are used when using those techniques is rather ignorant of the world of possibilities that exist within each of those areas. It isn't the method or the equipment used that make a piece of art good, but rather what the artist does with them. Just because you value complete originality, does not make you the ordained judge and jury of complete segments of art.

@themysteriousdomainmoviepalace Жыл бұрын

I don't think he said it was bad, just not original or destined for importance. I've always found the "art world" kind of scary because of standards that seem impossible to decipher, but then that's where the value lies, I guess.

@iridescentsquids Жыл бұрын

I think a lot of these criteria are missing the point. Like skill/mastery of materials. That’s not it. It’s intent or deliberateness in a very expansive sense (to include less conscious inspiration). You wouldn’t call it precise or predictable, but decisions dictated by a strong will or intent creates meaning that feels precise even out of otherwise messy looking results or unskilled use of materials. This is extremely common among early abstract + expressionists when the will was more the point. Less so for abstraction born of conceptual starting place. But sometimes the juxtaposition of deliberate and haphazard is very much the point.

@Peter-JohnTaylor Жыл бұрын

Well said and fundamental to any useful critique of any art style: What is the "intent or deliberateness" of the work? How is it distinguished from decor or experimentation for the sake of it? 'Abstract' is far too broad a term particularly when any form of art is a form of self-expression (emphasis on 'self') meaning the artist is conveying some concept, some intellectual realism of thought or opinion or perception or emotion, the painting being the expressed representation thereof. This is why many people view as false dichotomy the alleged distinction between figurative (or representational) and non-figurative (or non-representational) art. If non-representational painting is actually possible, then it's also non-rational art, which is not art. No?

@iridescentsquids Жыл бұрын

@@Peter-JohnTaylor not sure. I think there’s “abstract” but still form. And form can have a hefty range of rational/non-rational without representation. I’m wary of generalizations but seems to me that “deliberate” can include the form found but not premeditated through experimental process. I’m hard pressed to think of experimentation in art that isn’t still judged by whatever form still results. Thinking for instance of the wildest gobs and streaks in a de Kooning painting that I wouldn’t say were rationally or deliberately applied just so, but through whatever editing and absorbed control still convey and communicate with clarity and cohesion. It’s “experimental” and not rational but it still has a very strong form. Part of what’s meaningful is precisely that mysterious juxtaposition somehow eked out in a moment that couldn’t be replicated.

@Peter-JohnTaylor Жыл бұрын

@@iridescentsquids Not sure either, no stable hypothesis yet, but I concur that abstract style painting may genuinely include or suggest discernible form - occasioned by the physical and mental process - and in some cases, a result dependent upon the viewer’s cognition. Either way it seems to me we’re in broad agreement as far as a painter’s capability to produce work that presents their consciously or subliminally influenced intentions on canvas or screen. But aren’t we then taking the painter’s perspective mostly? From the challenged audience perspective, there’s what I call the “too broad” label (or license) of ‘abstract art’ requiring folks to appreciate the effort and to discern or speculate what is the intention rather than see it depicted by way of stylised representation: Abstract art may genuinely utilise the most basic elements (line, shape, hue, value, arrangement, etc.) while yet suggesting the forms and their interactions which occupy the minds of both artist and audience. Otherwise where or what is the communication?

@iridescentsquids Жыл бұрын

@@Peter-JohnTaylor is the question whether there can be universal form/order to abstract art that communicates? And whether representation grounds communication as common ground with audience(universal where abstract art isn’t)? I may be an exception here, but in my experience representation is just another contextual factor we (audience) use. It can sometimes act as a slow ramping of the “work” of engaging with art but it’s my opinion that it’s not inherently easier or more universal. I might say…not sure…that representational art more often accommodates the sentiment of shared objectivity (we and the artist looking at something together, while sharing their interpretation). This is not always the case but a safe generalization. But I would say that people often make too much of this. Because it’s easier than delving into what I would call a more purely phenomenological language: seeing and translating what is seen in the moment. The act of representing-turning momentary observation into a representation- involves engagement with the formal aspects of painting that fuels a huge amount of what we think of in the history of art, much of modernism and even abstraction. I would say it’s a huge part of even Mondrian and all of the abstract expressionists. If I’m right about that, representation might be considered almost a distraction in that it creates the impression of a formal logic/grappling with meaning-making, regardless of whether it does a thorough job of that. In some cases it pretends or takes the easy route to being meaningful, because we can recognize what is represented. So In a sense you could argue it gets in the way, and I think that’s the reason some abandoned it. Nobody is the final judge…but I think it’s possible to say that the act of trying to making “good” representational painting, if we can agree it’s not best described as being technically accurate, involves a formal clarity that’s not so different from abstraction. Even though the processes are very different. If that’s true then representation may sometimes obscure whether the painting is any good by simply relying on the act of recognition. Just like abstraction may obscure it by presuming to “do abstraction”. Reminds me of the way critics in Turner’s time would debate the merits of a painting based on how well it captured nature/light, and Ruskin started delving into the idea that our interaction with nature was as much in our minds, which explains Turners deliberate departures from technician “objective” representation, replacing it with experience or a phenomenological take. In this sense romanticism also, I believe, gets misunderstood by post-romantic art history as about “feelings” when it was often a reaction to cultural, philosophical and scientific shifts away from prior notions of unchanging objectivity: it was a new science, not an abandonment to “feelings”. A lot of time when I hear people say there was a shift in modern art to the inner feelings of the artist I want to object. It’s the attempted objective consideration of the fact of subjectivity, which we don’t have good words for but it’s definitely more than “feelings”. Emotionally and intellectually this was a huge challenge not just to artists but to scientists and philosophers, too.

@Peter-JohnTaylor Жыл бұрын

@@iridescentsquids Your exposition is compelling, so now I look forward to a few suitably matched examples of artwork that meet your implicit criteria as a representative set. I’ll be on the hunt myself for a few such to balance my view - objectively, subjectively - and will post the links within an article on my blog. Thank you for this most enlightening conversation.

@echopathy 3 ай бұрын

@5:15 "Making it in the art world.. " Reckon that's That's the target?

@renzo6490 Жыл бұрын

Wait ! Someone said there was a discussion about abstract art in this video. All I saw was a great dog !!!!

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 Absolutely spot on when I am rewatching these videos to see if they are edited correctly or if the text is right-constantly focusing on Perrier and her cute or goofy maneuvers. Greetings from us both!

@fredrik241 5 ай бұрын

I'd be interested in hearing your take on the completely white canvas 'paintings' i've spotted in various high profile art galleries and museums. I'm not talking older art (say 60's-70s) but contemporary maybe around 5-10 years ago now. Almost the same kind of image. Just a white canvas with hardly any texture or paint applied. In some instances you have to work hard and look at the image strongly sideways to spot that anything was actually done to the raw canvas at all. I also wouldn't say that it was 'in company' of other paintings that made the white one make sense. I enjoy contemporary visual arts of all kinds including very abstract or challenging. But I have to say these recent 'white canvases' leave me cold. I feel like its been done already 50-70 years ago (sorry I don't know) and I can't see what value it brings doing it again today.

@TruthIsNot4Sale Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that but can we talk about that beautiful doggy ❤ 😊

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Yes, we should! She's the best!

@supercharger5727 Жыл бұрын

In abstract art it depends on what your using that makes it easy if you're using a mop spray can or a giant paint brush yea it would be easy if you're using a medium or small paint brush pen pencil or crayon it would be hard

@NellonDesign_777 Жыл бұрын

Spray cans can be very difficult to master. They are actually very difficult to use well.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Thank you for tuning in. Spray paints can indeed be challenging to use, as is the case with giant brushes. Every technique has its challenges but also its strengths.

@karlabritfeld7104 Жыл бұрын

Depends on the size of your substrate

@davidwilson1273 3 ай бұрын

The Empor

@filippobincoletto2503 Жыл бұрын

I want to buy that painting that you just made. 😂

@Majesticon 6 ай бұрын

where is the list of artists? i didn't quite catch their names fully

@marianabandhold6171 10 ай бұрын

The dog is paying more attention than me

@contemporaryartissue 10 ай бұрын

😂

@MMZS528 Ай бұрын

is there something technically skillful about malevich black square. I think your point of reference for abstract painting is abstract expressionism, which ignores the rich history of abstract art. youre good at reading

@cadernodemoda Жыл бұрын

I love your dog, and it seems to be very worried about you talking this much for a camera.... what is his/her name?

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

Hi Miriam, thank you for tuning in. Her name is Perrier, and she's the best! The most loyal assistant one could imagine

@yemzik4748 Жыл бұрын

0:45 upside down beer :)

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

It's beautiful 🤩 😂

@LinusRauschnbrg Жыл бұрын

Marco Reicherts art is still 100% man made I would argue

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

I agree, even the machine made needs human input. Food for thought with AI lurking around the corner

@NoelyRomano 6 ай бұрын

Some of these kids may never have had a life of luxury, but they did what they really wanted.

@shubhisingh66 5 ай бұрын

doggo 😍😍

@MrMESSI Жыл бұрын

YOU CAN GIVE ANYTHING A VALUE WITH A LITTLE TOUCH OF AN ELLISON

@jihadifrog 6 ай бұрын

i love this video because, Doggoooo

@MD-bu3xc Жыл бұрын

Dog is very cool. He’s watching his person and thinking geez I’m back here, doesn’t he get that? Oh well…….

@contemporaryartissue 11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 Spot on

@ujanbhattacharjee6178 3 ай бұрын

Can anyone tell me the meaning of the painting

@mjoriginals Жыл бұрын

The dog is trying so hard to not make eye contact with the camera.

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

She is 😂 Thank you for tuning in!

@ronjohnson4566 Жыл бұрын

well, the dog is the star of the show, and he is saying, "what the hell, my house smells like spray paint. the master is staring and growling at something but i can't see or smell what the hell it is. And, the master has been doing this all morning, and I gotta pee!"

@contemporaryartissue Жыл бұрын

😂 This must be the best comment, by far, on this channel in the past year. Thank you for tuning in and making my day in just a few sentences. Cheers!