What do you guys think about the Mishima's In this game? And which characters do you want to see me cover next in a video?

Mishima is not a fighting style is a life style

I played Mishimas on D-pad since 6. I got a army of zombie controllers

Mishima is so difficult Lee: i guess i am a mistake

Next video should be on why everyone hates alisa

As a DJ main, I'm in a weird spot and state of mind where i feel like playing DJ is so draining, physically and mentally for precisely the reasons you mentioned, but if you asked me if i'd rather play any other character, i'd immediately say no. I literally bought the game because i saw how cool DJ was and it made me want to actually get good. 8 is my first serious tekken game. Played a bit of 7 but fell off insanely quick after a few hours. Currently low blue. Not good, but not bad

Thank you. - Kazuya main

*Kuma has left the chat*

Also kazuya and devil Jin have consistency issues like quite a bit of them which need to be addressed soon by Bamco

Just found this channel. How have I not heard of you before? Reall nice videos

The Mishimas are the equivalent to the McMahon family in WWF/WWE 😆

@1:53, "black sheep" with iconic T4 music. I see what you did there on all levels.

Another thing you could say is a downside about Kazuya is the frame data of his mids. Almost all of them are either punishable or very slow. His 13f options (db1,2 and df4,4) are both launch punishable. Db1,2 mid screen might space people out enough to be safe but some characters (like Jun or Asuka with their f2) will be able to reach him. At the wall, there is no push back at all. Df4,4 is particularly bad since if they block you die but if you land it, you’re -4 anyways. Very weird risk reward ratio on the move since it only gives you 29 damage. Sure you could only do df4 but then you’re doing even less damage. It’s only +2 on hit and -9 on block so you lose your turn. You’ll want to use these moves to frame trap but since they’re so punishing you risk your self using them. Kazuya’s lows, besides hellsweep or generic d4, are also very slow. A hellsweep getting blocked means a big punish of course. His other lows are all 20+ frames so they’re approaching being reactable. It can be hard to shut down powercrushes or heat bursts with him. What I think Kazuya players should use more of, however, is his df1, 4 string. It leaves you at +18 on hit allowing for an uninterrupted 50/50. Not even rage art can stop you. I used to think df1 was trash (the combo consistency and hitbox still is tho) but when I realized the utility of this, I changed my mind. After landing df1, 4 you can do any of his slow lows and they will frame trap. Do ff3 to launch or do df1,4 again if you think they’ll duck or mash to keep the frames up. A counter hit db4 will leave you at +17 for identical mix up opportunity.

This was a really well made video!

Thank you for making this video. This really sums up my experience overall playing Mishimas in T8. I mainly play DVJ since T5 but fully picked up Kaz during T7 because training your fundamentals with him felt the most satisfying. I'm in blue ranks with both Kaz and DVJ but it's been unrewarding which is why I made the decision to truly main Jin more. Although to whoever wants to try any Mishima in T8 soon, don't hesitate to do so! You'll definitely learn a lot playing them. Respect to all Mishima players reaching the high ranks, even those who are in purple ranks still!

Great video. Subscribed. Cheers from Brazil

Nice video man

Great video man. No crazy bias opinions just facts. Kazuya is my main and ranking up is pretty hard.

My first Tekken and I started off playing Jin cause of the campaign and I also saw the Kazuya “I’m not gonna sugarcoat it” memes before so I now main Devil Jin who’s tougher but more rewarding to me

Mishima are Tekken Royalty. "Rite of passage" "Now we are playing REAL Tekken" Famous tekken commentators.

trust me i suffer to every day in rank with kaz. also love the video

This was really useful with rounding up the Mishimas, similarly, maybe I’d like a video on Lee chaolan or Lars and how they aren’t ones or some more details on them. Maybe why Lars is hated to fight or why Lee is so hard to play lol

Interestingly enough everything you said about Reina in this game applied to Jin in T7 PLUS his absolutely ridiculous execution demands in T7. Seriously, T7 Jin might have been the toughest character in the history of Tekken to master, the T8 version is INSANELY easy comparatively.

When I finally landed a perfect electric on counter hit with Kazuya. I legit cried lmao

As someone who is brand new to tekken I started with Jin and I feel like you say it very well he is easy to pick up hard to master

The original Mishima karate fighting style were Heihachi, Kazuya and tekken 3 Jin. The commonality were there rising uppercut, sweep kick, headbutt and blue electric charge. Jinpachi is a Mishima too, but his input commands were a little simpler.

Even after launch I’m still learning how to play I actually fought some pros at Comic-Con this year and they said I alright but lack matchup knowledge

Man i loved this game but as jin player who played since tekken3 i hate that he became simplified cus i spend 4years learning t7 jin and then i feel betrayed by the development team cus of A huge opnion number of players were seen only playing for one month while me and some few jin players master the character for nothing i got Jin tekken god happy with the design but sad that there is almost no rewards for Jin old players (from skill perspective)

I’m moving from Jin to Devil Jin as I feel the mishima style gameplay just fits me better. Devil Jin is also helping me improve fundamentally as I don’t have easy pokes and a killer ff2 anymore. The transition from Jin to Devil Jin is also a lot more natural which is why I chose him over Kazuya. Quite happy with where Devil Jin is at. Now people won’t complain anymore.

Im not finished with the video as of writing this, Im just so happy you said all mishimas ”are difficult to play - that is until recently with Jin”. I was fuming before that, that guy has protagonist training wheels.

Kimberly and Reina both feel like the challenging yet welcoming new girls on the block. Plus I just love their styles in combat (I usually play depending on style tbh)

This makes me really appreciate JOKA for playing with Reina and Kazuya in the Grand Finals when most wouldnt even dare.

Nice video you almost mentioned everything about how much dj suffers, i dont know what the game devs are smoking tbh, i wish they'd just offer a unique kit and balance the mishimas like they did in t7, everyone had something that the other mishima did not. Hei was the poke machine with bad lows, kazuya was the casino mishima, dvj was all round but had the least damage output & lacked mids. Then they decide to remove what made DVJ good in T7 and nerf what was good in the new t8 moves, leaving him to be literally overshadowed by most of the mishimas. its sad, i hope they do something asap i love this char but my god is it draining to play him.

As a Mishima Main since Tekken 4 (Kazuya until I unlocked Jin.) Mishima is love Mishima is Life! I don’t even feel right if I don’t play Jin. Mishimas ARE TEKKEN to me

Do you have any advice on how to play Reina well or things to focus on

I main Reina, and she really is a magical character, because as long as you can do the inputs, it’s actually not that hard to hit garyu. As soon as you hit garyu though, she becomes insanely hard as you have to really tighten up pressure and get good at keeping your foot in the accelerator. But it’s surprising how easy it is to get by with just df1,2, a WGF combo, ff2f~3, and a hellsweep.

Tekken 8 is the first Tekken game that i play seriously in the series. I started with Kazuya because it’s my favorite character but i struggled a Lot. After a month (and thanks to Hitbox), I can execute Electric and wavedash on player 1 side almost Every time i want. Problem is when i have to switch to player 2 side where my fingers are weaker and to find the right moment in order to land my electric without getting hit or something. If i use pad it’s a disaster, i land some electric but wavedash is a nightmare. I’m really having a right time and i know i mad a bad choice for a beginner, but i just love this character, and landing my first whiff punish electric on ranked has been really a good feeling!

For Kazuya it's mostly execution part. Also overcoming tendency to pull the plug when they think they have been cheesed.

The less weighing on the wave dash seems like a big opportunity missed. New players who haven't seen the wavu wavu controls and cancels would have been fun to put some pressure on. But regardless great vid! Will look forward to more vids

tekken 8 was the first tekken i’ve taken seriously, and kazuya was actually the first character i took up (horrible starter) and oml i’ve had such a blast with him. i played a bit of tekken 7 and the first one i wanted to try was heihachi. mishimas ftw🗣

I main Reina and I got a hate message from a Jun player calling me carried. Both Fujin at the time. Reina is definitely not braindead.

Do you think you could make a video on Lee chaolan? I feel like out of 4 specialist characters (Kazuya, Bryan, Steve, Lee) he is talked about the least

Reina would be difficult if she actually relied on eletrics and strong movement to get her gameplan going, she has too much power in neutral, her gameplan is harder to understand since its not a straigh 50/50 like some others, but she has to many tricks up her sleve that are too strong and cover more options than most realize

❎ Reina being hard ✅ Reina being hard to master

Mashima players are good when their 50/50s are good mix ups, I as a Reina main in blue rank have some good mix up but using her full kit takes a lot of practice

Great video man, mishima players getting a lot of bad rep since 8 appreciate the analysis

T8 is my first time playing Tekken and Reina was the first character I picked up. She definitely has a lot of tools to work with, but the execution of them varies. By a certain rank bracket, majority of the players know what you’re going to do (and even how to punish it).

So I started tekken a couple days ago and thought "hmm Reina looks fun, Ill give it a shot" idk what I was thinking but im sticking too it. Shes very fun though.

I don't sleep well knowing that It took me less time to reach Purple Rank with Jun then It did with Kazuya.

They really gotta give lars the standard god fist and even the uppercut, he does have the hellsweep tho, but is used in a completely different way from the rest of the hellsweeps

When you mentioned players being familiar with Kazuya set ups and strings. • Jin 120% suffers from the same problem. Players duck/punish his move set constantly. • Jin’s neutral’s are great but not perfect, apparently his d2 is quit react-able. His ff2 can be stepped but definitely need gd timing to do soo. • Jin heat moves are among if not thee worst in the game. The only gd thing about it is the Smash. I believe that’s fair. • Jin execution lies on using all his tools correctly/efficiently. Including the EWHP and doing his optimal combos.

As a Kazuya player, thank you for mentioning our blood, sweat, and tears in trying to improve this punish rewarding character. ➡️⭐⬇️↘️🥈 -DORYAH🗣️✊⚡

I fully agree with your point on jin I think it was really good they decided to make one of the mishimas accessible for new players

lol as an ex tk3 jin and kazuya player i was saying reina was a very easy character, and to be honest the reason why i played her is because she had the same tools that i love and find cool from mishimas but with her own unique style that resembles classic karate, which is basically what i love on makoto, so having stance makoto that wave dash and hell sweeps is basically all i could ask for in a tekken game, to the point i rarely wanna play feng or kaz anymore. Lidia might be my second pick for a character simply because karate, chesto, tsurugi thing is fun, and why i liked so much feng alongside kaz in tk5 and 6 (he was the one that had the gameplan that resembles the most this type of thing). Knowing reina isn't the easy character i thought she was makes me realize how easy some characters are in this game now, because damn if i find this easy, what must be tk8 jin or dragunov who seemed at the same level as her in difficulty.

Im brand new to Tekken and fighters broadly. I decided to main Jin. Its rough out here. Certain characters i really struggle with. Asuka has been given me hell during the arcade mode, piolited by max.

I’ve been playing Devil Jin and Tekken 8 is my first Tekken game. He’s not too difficult once I took time to lab him.

Jin isnt a Mishima. He doesnt deserve. Kuma is more a Mishima than (d)Jin.

I love the Persona music

the truth is kazuya is easy at most levels and people really oversell how good you need to be to play him. you can absolutely get away with 5 moves, 1 simple combo and good movement/mixups. i do not main him and have consistently beat people at high levels using this “basic” version of his kit. it’s truly not that deep. strong fundamentals make you good and those are the hardest part of tekken.

My only gripe with Reina is her position in t8's story. Same for Jun.

I have been playing only with devil jin since tekken 7. I've tried picking up other characters many times, but they just don't stick to me. The lack of ewgf's is jarring, and doesn't feel satisfying. The amount of mind games he offers is also fun. But it is definitely exhausting, and I would imagine having a bad day with him hits much harder than any other non-mishima characters. Loving his new tools too, devil jin just didn't have the range in tekken 7, but now with his uf1, fff3 and ff4 he is really fun. And the heat smash nerf was really deserved, some say they overdid it, but he still has his mourning crow one, which can be used in setups.

I may be the minority but I hate the new Jin, I played Jin a lot ever since T4. The weird feather and jump moves throw me off. I miss the Zen cancel mechanic

I have a weird relationship with the 4 Mishimas. I can do Perfect electrics with Reina and Kazuya, but with Jin and devil jin it just never lands. It only happens once in a blue moon and then I'll fumble the combo just to burn, crash and die.

i personally could not care less if devil jin is the weakest mishima this game has reawakened my love for him ever since tekken 6

being a kazuya and reina co main, going between the two characters is night and day. although reina still is pretty difficult I feel like I get away with more than I ever do with kazuya. But still reina requires so much energy solely because of the of the abundance of approaches she has. I dunno still love kazuya though legacy since dark resurrection

I want Heihachi back 😢

good video but you forgot kuma

I mean I mained Heihachi since Tekken 3, so I'm a little peeved that they took out the one Mishima that relied on pokes and mid attack pressure at the expense of 50/50s and lows. There's no substitute for his playstyle either. I really hope he comes back in one way or another.

New Tekken player (Jin Main), one day of grinding Devil Jin, and my Jin is already so much better.

Funny enough, Lidia now appears in Tekken 8, and it seems like she learned a few new moves, too!

I think the only time other characters besides the Mishimas getting character development is in the tag games. Those games have better character development than the mainline Tekken games. That's how in my opinion.

1:52 - This is actually 1 of the primary reasons I didn't want to main Jin. It honestly felt like he was even harder to use than both his T3 self & Devil Jin. The fact it took this long for Jin to become accessible is pretty ridiculous IMO. 3:40 - I never knew this about Kazuya. As a Mishima, he always came across as a character who was deceptively easy to use but hard to master. I always figured he never had any high execution reward because of how many honest moves he had. I never realized how few options he actually has despite the new Devil install he has since T7 6:27 - It's funny bcuz I always firmly believed Devil Jin was the embodiment of "easy to play but hard to master" when it comes to both the Mishima's & Tekken itself. DJ always had that scrubby feeling to him, but it becomes super obvious how well someone plays DJ when they're not wavedashing. The moment that happens, God Almighty, it likes sharks smelling for blood. 8:35 - Oh cool, so Reina is what I always thought Mishimas should've been. Kinda annoying it took this long for this to happen, but meh. Anyway, great editorial video man. Keep it up.

Yeah been a Devil Jin user since Tekken 5 technically but because I have more time with Tekken 6 let's just start there. He was really fun on that game especially on ghost battle even tho it isn't as fun as T5 technically on how busted some of those ghost were still was a fun experience until T7. Like dang keep in mind I was very late to the train cause I couldn't afford T7 for majority of it's lifetime while at the same time didn't have a proper controller cause yes when I played devil Jin on T5 and T6 I was playing it on the PSP so you can guess why I prefer doing it with an D-pad or to be exact a Ps4 controller. Plus it helps me a ton in terms of setting up some macros whether that's "scrubby" or not it helped me a lot in terms of combos and some moves (honestly tho ngl I'm planning to get a leverless/hitbox controller but cause I'm broke as sht it might as well as a dream for now). Anyways sorry for getting side tracked but to continue on about T7 Devil Jin because I didn't really experienced how he was post last season patches he just didn't feel really good to use not to mention just how hard he breaks my fingers lelz. Don't get me wrong tho doing electrics is just fun af and will do random practice mode runs to just feel the electric input to not dull down but even then man he needed a little bit more work than the other Mishima's which is not that bad cause he's flashy but again I just can't pin down on what makes him not really good to play with on his T7 iteration on final patch. So yeah I went a finally try Bryan Fury (because of Mwkan inspiration to try out difficult characters) and despite being even more difficult than Devil Jin I had more fun with him unironically than Devil Jin which is again weird not saying bryan doesn't have flashy combos it's just that his has that explosive factor that Devil Jin doesn't have anymore. So moving onto tekken 8 where I get to try him cause of School events involving Tekken 8 he was very fun indeed until the infamous patch came and oh boy how they massacred my boy like dang they went in hard without any compensation. I can't really say anything to that Devil Jin cause still to this day I haven't play T8 since so I don't have the right to say anything but post patch tho he was very fun to play and look at until I played with my masher friends and call me having skill issue but dang man I had a hard time doing some stuff with him for opponents who doesn't respect nor don't want to get conditioned not saying I couldn't do anything but it wasn't fun. Opposed to again the even harder character technically Bryan where even tho I had no idea what to fcking do cause I didn't really memorise any combo before hand unlike Devil Jin nor had the feels for it I still had fun regardless if my friend was mashing or not I literally just did an T5 thing with pokes only, some scuff floats here and there and nearly no tornadoes cause again I had no idea how to do it nor what snakes eye do at that time and still did a great job which is just dang what did they do to devil Jin to make him not feel as fun or as exciting than the previous games for that I guess I have to find the answer for myself cause I'm just sharing my thoughts on a Main I used to love and still do but it's just not the same as before.

“I’ll be back.” -Heihachi.

just imagine if they make devil reina have almost exactly the same moveset as heihachi... and even giver her the OH YEAH electric that would make this game transcendentally perfect lol

As a Kazuya main, holy crap his combos are so inconsistent! Just lower the hitbox on his df+1 and fix his 1,1,2 and boom we're cooking

The purist approach, fundamental tekken skills, linear gameplan, lack of panic options (devil Jin has them) and scarcity in move variety makes the Mishimas very interesting and Kazuya is my favourite character in Tekken by far. Like all the Mishimas he has a swagger and casual brutality to his moves that are amazing when shown on screen also! This is more so applicable up to T7 and I am not as caught up on T8. Jin Kazama is not a pure Mishima.

Proud kazuya main

I only clicked to this video to see if you included Kuma in it.

Reina isn't braindead but has too many options that don't require a lot of input demand. I agree witg your assesamenr for the most part, her difficulty definitelty lies in stance knowledgeable and when to transition in the heat of combat as opposed to the input demand.

I think Heihachi should return through flashbacks the same way Kazumi (his wife) did in T7.

Started off with DVJ and now other characters feel so hard to learn

Mishimas were actually the training characters for every korean pro the game has to offer in the past installments. Even players like Justice, Lowhigh, and Jeondding or literally any other korean pro you wouldn't associate with Mishimas know how to play them, which explains why their execution and reactions are so sharp.

Yea Reina alot of work the higer in rank you get. Im sure alot of the people callimg her braindead are stuck in red ranks and just get getting hit with ff2 spam. But i gotta manage lot the higher you go.

I got to Tekken god rank without using the electric god fist and wave dashing that much, and that make most players confused on how i play, because the top rank players expect it to be used, i have my own style of using the Mishimas, although some people think im cheating or they get very salty its hilarious lol

I was a Kaz player. I think he needs a new fast low attack. One of reason he hard to use for me. I can't handle someone like Eddy, or low stance character.

i think reina isn’t necessarily braindead, but i know exactly why she gets called that. she’s a character where her design is pretty much non stop offensive pressure, which makes her absolutely seem like a character for mashers, not to mention the high crush launchers (though they got nerfed as of a few hours ago when i’m writing this comment)

They should add a second Paul called Paul 2 and they should give this second Paul a stance that just kills you every time you miss a just frame window in any patented Mishima move, just to make life more difficult for Kazuya mains. Call it the Death Smasher Stance, you enter it the instant you whiff Deathfist.

Made a video about the Mishima but didnt include Kuma... My heart is broken.

Bro doesn’t even include the bear 😭🐻

"I'm not gonna sugarcoat it"

Kazuya is so much fun but when youre fighting a high level player his gameplan becomes so difficult to execute. But hes my ride or die and I love him Also praying on a DF1/2 hitbox fix so my combos dont drop 😂

Bro sneaked in Reina

now let's talk about the Kazama play style

Fix Kazuya Neighbor

As someone new to Tekken trying to main Reina, the sheer amount of options definitely fries my brain

easy way to deal with reina....never block low (she has no real lows to combo in or mixup)...wait for the frame gaps in her bred and butter strings (needs a bit of matchup knowledge) but be careful of her chip damage (quite high for a fast attacking character)

I can do -14 punish with electric(kaz)

I swear the more and more i go against reina the more i think she is actually brain dead compared to the other mishima’s at least jin even though he is dumbed down he still has to play somewhat tekken unlike reina who literally doesn’t need to be played as a mishima at all.

I want my main Hachi bak so bad.