I love how this channel challenges the group think we all participate in. I myself have used the term ‘butterfly tax’ before without really thinking. All quality knives are going to cost, and I think you make some well reasoned points showing maybe benchmade takes more shit than the others without deserving it.
@justaamateur65335 жыл бұрын
I myself woud use the term "spyder tax" the Delica has stainless liners, vg-10 and frn. How do those materials make it a 100€ (100$) knife, makes no sense to me, and dont even mention all their cheapest compresion lock is on a 160€ Pm3.
@garrettcolling65785 жыл бұрын
Yes, agreed! He talks about things no one else seems to even mention!
@robertacosta12933 жыл бұрын
Bench made is for fan boys
@mrblauer16 жыл бұрын
You missed something. The purchase price of a Benchmade also covers the expense of their superior warranty service. I sent 5 Benchmade knives in for their Life Sharp service. At the cost of shipping them the package, they cleaned, repaired, sharpened and tuned up the action as needed. I am not even the original owner, I bought these knives used and I still qualified.
@neroknives18286 жыл бұрын
mrblauer1 absolutely. They have one of if not the pest production knife warranty.
@jolness15 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why I went benchmade not for the sharpening but if I break my blade I send it in with $25 and get a new blade. Not the case with Spyderco
@johnl1982105 жыл бұрын
I’ve used benchmade’s customer service several times as well. They rock! They were also my first high end production knife. Great comparison man.
@krismartin11813 жыл бұрын
Spidy does do some work for you my friend dropped a new pm2 on some tile floor the tip broke I think they fixed it for shipping and 25 bucks same guy used the bench made service after throwing a benchmade spike like 60 feet in the air and letting it stick in my yard well tip broke and if I remember correctly they fixed it but he paid shipping both ways this was like 1996
@harisyoung41103 жыл бұрын
But benchmade sharpening service is terrible.. i sent mine and got back with an uneven bevel and coarse bevel like 600grit stone.. If i know their sharpening service is like that, i rather send it to someone that more professional at sharpening and get it back with smooth polish edge.
@EDCwithAaron6 жыл бұрын
I do like Benchmade, however I have had a substantial amount of QC issues with knives I've bought from them, and very few with Spyderco. Just my personal experience but whenever I go to a knife show and handle a bunch of Benchmade knives it is literally a challenge to fine ones without vertical or horizontal blade play.
@lucacadianalbert6 жыл бұрын
I've had the same experience. At one point I was trying to buy an Anthem - I ordered like 3-4 online and had to return every single one of them. Benchmade has poor QC, but their CS is awesome. Spyderco on the other hand has horrible CS but better QC. I haven't had good luck with their CS. They still owe me $$ after they reused to fix or exchanged the last knife I sent in.
@gmoney59475 жыл бұрын
EDC with Aaron I’ve been lucky then with REI and bladehq.
@neroknives18285 жыл бұрын
EDC with Aaron generally it takes the axis lock a couple weeks to brake in and pin itself deeper. Once it does no more up and down. Allot of my benchmade knives come with the slightest hint of up and down. But it 99% of the time goes away.
@crf450rbulletdavid95 жыл бұрын
EDC with Aaron I’ve gotten two jacked up spydercos. One really bad and it was recently. I just got that feeling like if I called I wasn’t gonna get anywhere based on my previous experience so I Just fixed the problem as good as I could and I’m carrying it now. I still like their knives so whatever.
@MrMZaccone3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention asymmetry in their grinds and the abysmal quality of their factory edges.
@Prosecute-fauci4 жыл бұрын
The bottom line is: people are so used to getting cheap Chinese products that fail quickly and they have forgotten the value of something that you can pass down to your children.
@yamkaw3464 жыл бұрын
Axis lock won’t last near long enough to be passed down though.
@ashmerch25584 жыл бұрын
@@yamkaw346 I absolutely love my Contego ... it's an almost perfect cutting tool... that said, your 100% correct about the Omega springs in the Axis lock, it's the Contego's only weakness, everything else about it is perfect (atleast for me). Oh, I gotta oil the M4, its tool steel not stainless steel
@DamonXWind6 жыл бұрын
one of the springs just went on my contego's axis lock. It still functions but the lock has noticably weaker action and there is no longer a discernable detent. I don't know if the lock will fail during use in it's current state. I'm sending it in. I don't have issue carrying it again once I get it back
@jamesmiller3606 жыл бұрын
I have and carry both Spyderco and Benchmade and like both. If I really like the knife I don't really worry much about the price. Enjoyed the video.
@EDCwithAaron6 жыл бұрын
Most of the benchmades I have had have had either horizontal or vertical blade play... Even my anthem had vertical play, I've now handled 5 anthems trying to find one that was decent and every one had some play vertically. I wish I could find a solid one because I love that design.
@baconslayercm70336 жыл бұрын
EDC with Aaron you must have the worst luck in the world.... ive yet to handle an anthem that hasnt been perfect or damn close
@caraddict86924 жыл бұрын
Is that 3rd paramilitary a pm1 or pm2? I’m sorry I so new to knives trying to learn as much as I can from names, locks, brands, and blade steels.
@neroknives18284 жыл бұрын
There was a paramilitary probably around 10+ years ago. That was the original. Now there is a paramilitary 2 (current generation) they recently came out with the para 3 (Not paramilitary 3) the para 3 isn't the 3rd gen of a paramilitary because it's so much smaller then the original and the para 2. The para 3 is on it's own. It doesn't make sense as to why they named it the para 3 since there where no previous generations of it, and it's not a continuation of the paramilitary line.
@ryansgr86 жыл бұрын
I'm glad someone finally addressed this value debate. Excellent points made without even diving too deep into manufacturing location, warranty, etc. Benchmade hands down has the advantage there.
@MegaYangman5 жыл бұрын
Love both but being a left hander, it's way easier to use the axis lock on the benchmade knives.
@Cooldibs5 жыл бұрын
I like all the points you brought up. I'd like to point out the differences in the finish of materials. My Spyderco manix 2 and pm2 have fully polished liners where none of my benchmades (940, crooked river, foray, valet) have a rougher finish on them.
@guitarzarfun3 жыл бұрын
They handle so differently and give you a completely different experience that you have to own both.
@grimflipz6 жыл бұрын
Wow... You opened my eyes. Great video and very well spoken. Keep it up man.
@donniehopkins62104 жыл бұрын
Very new to the community. Purchased my first real blade with a Spyderco Tenacious. Love it so far. Have watched several of your videos and love them all. How do you flip the blade open so quickly? I cannot flip it open nearly as fast so assume it is just tight as it is new.
@stlchevy956 жыл бұрын
the extra money your paying for for the benchmade goes to the warranty service. its impeccable. i have one benchmade and one spyderco and i love them equally. if i wanna slice paper at my desk ill choose the manix, if i wanna chop sticks ill use my 275
@robertdouglas42936 жыл бұрын
Second video I'm watching of yours, intriguing, I know a bit off topic, but , I'm a lefty, large hands, used my hands in different ways based on occupation , (many, over the years)., guitarist, jeweller, etc., Reached a point where my hands dictate what's good for me, Being older, ergonomics become really important to these hands more than cost, I guess hard to put a value on stuff sometimes, Spyderco work great for me, as do Benchmade. Very happy that both companies have something to offer to me.Thanks Man! Perspectives of different sorts so valuable, Thanks.
@ArikGST5 жыл бұрын
I think I have stated in video that the Benchmade 940 is "overpriced". I personally wasn`t talking about material cost or anything, it was meant in a price/performance way. A Benchmade 940 is around 240€ here in germany (approx 250$) while a PM2 or a Manix 2 are 160-180€. If you compare those it is my opinion that the Benchmade 940 comes up short in the price/performance aspect because it`s more expensive while having the same bladesteel, arguably a weaker locking mechanism, and arguably a less comfortable grip. For the same price of the 940 you can get a Spydiechef, a Mantra, or a PM2 in S110V or Maxemet. I also had QC problems with my 940 out of the box, with one of the Omega Springs breaking within a week of having the knife, while my Spyderco`s where flawless out of the box. Benchmade did send me the replacement (which took 6 weeks to arrive), but that problem shouldn`t have happened in the first place. It`s just me with my experience and my opinion, but I think at least in the case of the basic 940 the price doesn`t reflect well on what you get. I am still interested in the Bugout and the full spec Griptilian though. But Cold Steel sweeps the floor with both brands, Recon 1 in S35VN for 130€, and that knife will not fail on you.
@inthepocket74055 жыл бұрын
Great video! Love the way you keep it objective, and let the viewer make their own conclusion. There was more value I feel like you could have added to the Griptilian vs the Delica, and that would be that the Griptilian is made in the United States, which I should add value for a lot of people. I have had more issues with Benchmade’s than Spyderco’s in my experience, but that’s counterbalanced by the superior warranty of Benchmade. I really couldn’t choose between the two for value, but I do definitely find myself buying more Spyderco’s than Benchmade’s, and in my experience, Spyderco’s QC is much better.
@lenzielenski32765 жыл бұрын
You have some good points, especially re:the actual production cost of the various knives. I'd have to argue with your assumption that the Axis lock is stronger than a back lock. I can tell you that the Axis lock is useless with a broken spring and it happens. Meanwhile I've never seen a broken back lock. Further, Benchmade is notorious for bad centering and lockup out of the box. Spyderco, on the other hand, has a great out of box experience. I suspect Spyderco has come to the conclusion that better QC from the factory and a lower price results in a stricter service policy while Benchmade has lower QC standards but is willing to spend more on expensive after sales service, explaining a lot of the price delta. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
@Jimatuscc4 жыл бұрын
Tests have proven that the axis style lock is among the strongest today. I wouldn't say it's stronger than a back lock, but it may be it's equal.
@harisyoung41103 жыл бұрын
@@Jimatuscc The axis is strong, but their spring mechanism is the main problem that always break and snap.. the lock is useless without one of that two spring.. and my 940 osborne when i first got it, the blade centering is really off to the side, its really obvious although not the point of rubbing to the side.. i never expected to dealing with thing like that with a top notch company..
@JamesWilson-lg7bx5 жыл бұрын
The first knife from bench maid is at 940 ?
@neroknives18285 жыл бұрын
James Wilson The first knife benchmade made with the axis lock was the 710. I don’t know the actual first knife they ever made. Probably a butterfly knife.
@hammerhi6 жыл бұрын
Good points! I would like to push back on your opinion that back locks are simple to make. Yes, the mechanism is simple, but that simplicity is deceptive. The lock bar locks the blade, stops the blade, provides the detent force, AND needs to be flush with the handle open and closed. If the geometry, tolerances, and heat treatment aren't dialed in perfectly, you get blade play, lock stick, proud lockbars, lock failure, etc. Sal Glesser has said several times on the Spyderco forums that he finds the back lock the most challenging to execute well. Much easier to use a liner or frame lock where the ramped lock face can tolerate a fair amount of manufacturing slop before exhibiting blade play.
@robgreenough11644 жыл бұрын
Great honest review enjoyed it and subscribed
@radioham69795 жыл бұрын
I am a retired QC Tech from a huge food company know that quality is not as important as quantity to some companies. They say you have to have those sales. Where I worked the average guy or gal said that if we would just slow down some that would help the quality.
@cameronwilliams41496 жыл бұрын
180 for the knifeworks contego, which give you m390 steel and uncoated blade
@abc456f6 жыл бұрын
cameron williams I have that contego and it's a great knife. My only issue is the extreme jumping all over it. For any task lasting longer than a few minutes, I need to wear a glove. The jimping is just too sharp. I did have to send the knife in for warranty service. I had one scale screw come loose and it wouldn't screw back in. Benchmade fixed it but then went ahead and red loctited every single screw and the pivot. When I had to send in a brand new 940-2 for a sticky axis lock i made sure to write on the form that if anything needed loctite, use blue and not red. My experience with spyderco qc is better.
@cameronwilliams41496 жыл бұрын
srg914 I plan on getting it and will just sand down the rough spots, thanks for your experience.
@cameron35253 жыл бұрын
Great points!
@CAVlogs1214 жыл бұрын
Benchmade has the greatest customer service ever.
@harisyoung41103 жыл бұрын
But benchmade sharpening service is terrible.. i sent mine and got back with an uneven bevel and coarse bevel like 600grit stone.. If i know their sharpening service is like that, i rather send it to someone that more professional at sharpening and get it back with smooth polish edge.. i really not expecting those top notch company will do a terrible sharpening like that.
@Phaminator5253 жыл бұрын
@@harisyoung4110 Benchmade never does a polish edge lol. I wish they would but I agree that it's better to send it to someone who can do a nice polish edge or just sharpen it yourself. Sharpening a knife isn't that hard and should definitely be something you know how to do if you're gonna buy an expensive knife
@harisyoung41103 жыл бұрын
@@Phaminator525 At that time i just want to try out their life sharp services , but after seeing their work done on my blade, i immediately make my mind to purhased the tsprof jigs.. lol.. the result really not worth for the effort and waiting time to get their services, the edge they putting is not even and consistent at all, maybe they've been using my knife to teach their new worker how to sharpen because its more worse than when it brand new.. lol.
@esoteric52774 жыл бұрын
Hi. Thanks for the review. I too love both Spyderco and Benchmade, maybe with a slight preference for Benchmade because of the fidget-friendly axis-lock (prefer it even over the compression- and ballbearing-lock) and because to me they generally just look better. Also I like take the side of the underdog and I get amused when Nick Shabazz or especially some wannabe gunslinger get's all prejudiced about Benchmade😜 I do actually prefer a spydiehole (especially on a 555, I'd surely go Loco if my budget allowed me to do so), because playing with thumbstuds tenderizes my thumb and/or wears my nails down🤫 And in my limited experience Spyderco's are just a bit 'slicier' on account of their (mostly) tall(er) primary grinds. But then there's also the tradeoff of having a wide knife in the pocket. But that's mostly just legitimizing my personal tendency to like Benchmade just a little bit more. I do however have a question that I hope you, or some other viewer might could maybe clarify: What exactly makes the axis-lock stronger/more secure than a backlock? Is it just because it's less likely that 2 thin springs would be less likely to fail than 1 thicker spring, or is it something else entirely?
@lionknives35 жыл бұрын
I REALLY FUCKING LOVE THE BENCHMADE CONTEGO!!!!
@mcglothlincutlery7255 жыл бұрын
I loved both brands as I came into the knife world. I still Love benchmade designs. But I currently own 0. I owned 8 benchmades. The only one that didn't have qc issues was the HK axis folder. I've had multiple knives with unfixable side to side play. I could crank the pivot until the blade wouldn't open and close.....but still had side to side. If benchmade could fix QC issues I'd become a fan again. Materials and designs are good. QC and blade grinds are normally awful(on knives I've bought). My sharpened bevels are bad but since I sharpen no biggie. The actual blade grinds are uneven. My spydercos I've owned about 30. And never a QC issue. Some design aspects I didn't like but so far that's it. I put the axis lock above frame, liner, or compression in strength. But back lock and spyderco bearing lock(manix lock) I'm pretty sure have been proven stronger in tests.......thanks for the videos and opinions. Keep it up.
@theamazingcj57084 жыл бұрын
This may sound weird but I’ve noticed that more people develop an emotional attachment to their spydercos compared to their benchmades
@MrTomkat0304 жыл бұрын
I have an emotional attachment to all my knives...
@EBFNOQMAGNO3 жыл бұрын
LOL I thought i was the only one that thought that.
@deadbeatdad71562 жыл бұрын
Spyderco fanboys are like left wing liberals. If you don't argree with everything they say they will attack you
@blueeyeswhitedragon98395 жыл бұрын
OK, you made a good bunch of comparisons/examples, and I believe that you have proven your point. I'm starting to believe that some of the knife reviewers are harbouring personal gripes against Benchmade, and using their platform to paint Benchmade as the "bad guy". I have many knives by Spyderco & Benchmade ( all the way back to the original Worker by Spyderco, and the then Pacific Knife Co.) and I love most of them. Both have some QC issues. Now I'll have to really think about my next knife, maybe I can alternate, with an occasional Boker/Case thrown in.
@kensworld816 жыл бұрын
fair considerations.
@dasklingenspiel40895 жыл бұрын
Good video! In regards of the cost, its not just about how complicated it is to make, it is also about how many you make. I am pretty confident to say, that a Spyderco toprunner knife (PM2, Military, Delica) is much cheaper than the toprunners from Benchmade. But Spyderco also has a much bigger lineup, with knives that they do not produce as many of them, therefore also don´t sell as many (think about Spyderco fixed blades, or very complicated designs). So in total they have more knives that are more expensive to make than Benchmade. Here in Europe there is a 60 Euro price difference between a Spyderco PM2 and a BM 940, which is quite a lot for the difference you get, but it also tells you that Benchmade does not produce enough knives to supply the European market.... . From my personal experience an Axis lock is not reliable at all, also needs much more cleaning and beeing taken care of more frequently (Just my personal experience!) Had a 940 fail on me twice, will never buy one again, some people had one for decades and love it, maybe mine was made by Dave on Tuesday before lunch dunno.
@iloveknives60806 жыл бұрын
My favorite 2 knife company’s. I don’t understand why to think the axis lock is more expensive? $15 ganzo’s have the same basic lock. Just wondering?
@neroknives18286 жыл бұрын
I Love Knives the benchmade lock us much better made. You can buy a knife for $15 with a Fram lock. But if you buy a hinderer or crk the frame lock has more time and effort put into to it which increases cost. Same idea with the axis lock.
@huejanus55056 жыл бұрын
neroknives I don't quite agree with what you just said. Knives made in Asia or the US are both made on the same CNC machines and take the same time to make. I would think the qualities of the materials (blade steel, handles, frames and springs) might be of lesser qualities, as well as paying lower labor costs.
@iloveknives60806 жыл бұрын
The Pm2 and 940 are my 2 favorite edc knives and both mine drop shut and lock up strong. Nice video!
@CASTRO45ACP5 жыл бұрын
@@huejanus5505 hmmm.....I don't know, why are some knives machined sooooo much better and others look like shit on the same machines?
@Brewhound775 жыл бұрын
Another huge factor for per unit cost other than materials and completely is volume of manufacturing. A cheap materials, simply constructed product will cost more per unit in low volume than an expensive materials, complexly constructed product in high volume.
@Apex_grind5624 жыл бұрын
I would give the advantage to spyderco. I dont know much about the history of benchmade but I like Mr Glesser's philosophy "knives made for the hand , not for the eye" I love both, and own both , but spyderco has a way of turning a small knife , w/sub materials such as vg 10, into something huge.
@gambitgaming45736 жыл бұрын
you should do zt vs we. or crkt vs. kershaw. i think the reason people say benchmades are overpriced is because they are known to have qc issues. and a few of there knives are definitely overpriced. like most of the balisongs they make right now (except the 87) or like the micro pocket rocket they just came out with. $340. that's a crazy price for such a small knife. you could almost get a small custom folder for that price. and I don't know how they can justify that price when they are doing it as a frame lock. and I've never heard food things about there framelocks
@gambitgaming45736 жыл бұрын
also things cost what people are willing to pay. if 1000 out of 3000 people are willing to pay $700 for a knife rather than $200 for the same knife. well you'll make more money from the 1000 people charging them $700 rather than selling 3000 people the same knife for $200. and you don't have to sell as many. I sometimes question where benchmade gets there prices from. even more so with the balis they make. the 51 costs as much or more than a replicant. and the 6x knives are almost the price of an alpha beast. that's insane. and there's an entire company based on making there knives flip better
@thelegando42812 жыл бұрын
I own spyderco knives, they are really well build. Worth every penny
@brianleabo62954 жыл бұрын
I'm ok with Benchmade and I figured you pay for what you get . I like Spyderco as well but their not as nice Benchmade.
@Phaminator5253 жыл бұрын
Spyderco makes nice knives probably the same quality as Benchmade. My problem is that they are ugly as hell.
@tonyochoa70973 жыл бұрын
I have six or seven of each,and my benchmades probably get more pocket time.Generally speaking,blade geometry is superoir with spydees,plus spydee has that compression lock,so I definitly enjoy using and carro a spydee on ocasion,Value,I'd also give to spydee
@nickyd.46952 жыл бұрын
As far as I'm concerned both companies are overpriced but they're not the only ones.
@mayson10145 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the Benchmade bugout? Thanks! ~Mayson~
@harrysmith35024 жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed that the benchmade blades stay sharper for longer on comparable blades from Spyderco. Particularly their S30V steel. I am a secret fanboy of Spyderco though 😉
@chef_nick30226 жыл бұрын
All benchmade are made in the USA too. We know product cost is more here for several reasons.
@shawnlavigne90693 жыл бұрын
It seems it's becoming a bit of a online mantra to criticize benchmade. I've been happy with the benchmade knives I've owned. I recently purchased a benchmade 391 socp, it wasn't cheap, but I'm super pleased with the quality. I love the knife, and I'm one of those tweaky, perfectionist types. But who knows, maybe I've been lucky.
@dalecarpenter88284 жыл бұрын
Ganzo firebird and a few others !
@billbraski4 жыл бұрын
Ive had like 1 QC issue with spyderco. Ive had 1 benchmade that didnt have a QC issue. They should take some of that extra cash they are makeing and pay someone to look at the product before it leaves.
@HelplessTeno2 ай бұрын
I love Benchmade and the only 2 premium knives I have are Benchmde. That being said, any Spiderco in the same steel would have been $100+ cheaper and would do the same thing, for life. I do like Benchmade's lifetime sharpening, I like their designs and I like that they're made in the USA, so I continue to buy from them.
@suttonmatthew3 жыл бұрын
The Axis lock is great for those left-handed folks.
@BigShaneGillis5 жыл бұрын
Frame locks are alot stronger than liner locks bro
@MPerry-ox9qb5 жыл бұрын
Not always.
@nintendontbutdo55074 жыл бұрын
Both knives are great imo. I like both endura and griptilian I own both lol. Now i do like 154cm better and i like the bigger handle on the benchmade. When carrying edc knife and rust resistance the spyderco in vg-10 is superior to me. Many different ways to think of this whole thing of price vs value. I can say i have gotten cheap axis locks that work much better than backlocks for similar price. I like both companies always have and if anyone does not like the knives in either one they have just send them to me and i will remedy your pain lol.
@JoeParkerPoe2 жыл бұрын
Axis lock is well worth the extra money for me
@aw93894 жыл бұрын
I personally think benchmades are made a bit better then spydercos, but i own plenty of both.
@andyrichardson61886 жыл бұрын
Well done. I've been advocating for Bechmade for a while. I love Spyderco as well, so this isn't a Benchmade vs. Spydero thing for me. Better better lock (for me), U.S. made. and better support. This makes the Griptillian seem like a bargain. People tend to discount the value of free lifetime fixes, screws, clips, and sharpening. Most reviewers seem to have issues with Benchmade quality, which is a fair criticism.
@baconslayercm70336 жыл бұрын
I would compare the delica to the mini griptillian actually since they are closer in size and then the griptillian is only $93...
@saltyseale85616 жыл бұрын
You are a very lucky man, i have had qc issues with almost every BM I've owned, blade play, blade centering off, grinds off, etc, etc.
@baconslayercm70336 жыл бұрын
Ryan Seale eh i still think its the other way around... i know more people who have good qc than bad with them
@RbgHebrew14 жыл бұрын
Spyderz 🕷 vs Butterflies 🦋
@ngoutdoorgear40632 жыл бұрын
Manufacturing cost Benchmade. 22.50 for griptillian Spyderco pm2 27.12 per unit
@mforrest15086 жыл бұрын
Warranty from benchmade is amazing. I won’t buy really expensive spyderco Knives because of their shitty warranty. Well expensive is subjective. I have a slysz Bowie but that is max I’d pay for a spyderco and I got a good deal.
@yeaman9926 жыл бұрын
Matthew Forrest The warranty from benchmade is amazing because you're gonna have to use it. They have megatons of warranty experience.
@mforrest15086 жыл бұрын
Herb Toker sometime yes. I’ve had lots of benchmade though. They don’t all suck haha. But I e only sent it in for something that was their fault twice. Omega spring broke.
@THX-bh7dn5 жыл бұрын
Matthew Forrest you got a Slysz? Nice.
@THESEADOG824 жыл бұрын
Ok all benchmade knives are made in America not by a country that might not be a friend. So that should be all that is needed. !!!!
@jamesgurr44015 жыл бұрын
Great video again- challenging misconceptions or at least explaining why a particular lock/steel/grind may cost a different price to manufacture is really important, as a lot of videos can kinda churn out the same stats etc without really looking into justifying what they are saying. Out of interest, what makes you say that the axis lock is stronger than the back lock and probably the compression lock too? I'm not saying that you're wrong- just genuinely interested in your reasoning for this..keep em coming Vinnie;)
@luispinsf75385 жыл бұрын
james gurr , I have the same question, and it is a question, not a statement the the claim is wrong.
@neroknives18284 жыл бұрын
The back lock relays on a thinner L shape bar to hold the blade open. The back lock is a very strong lock and more then anyone would need. But the axis lock uses a bar that is in more contact with the tang of the blade. It is also a cylinder shape which is a stronger shape. Lastly the back lock relays on a pin that is generally found mid way down the handle of a knife. Beacuse of this there is added forces that get applied to it when compared to a standard stop pin. So given the shape, added contact and the fact Position of the bar on the axis lock. The axis is the stronger lock. Again back locks are very strong. But be designe are weaker then the axis. And for the compression lock. The compression locks are similar to liner locks in their ability to slip out the side with a strike to the back of the blade. Deeper lock up would help with this. If the compression lock doesn't slip, and stays in place it's a super strong lock. Again any of these would be more then enough for anyone. Hope this helps. Sorry for the late reply Nero
@jamesgurr44014 жыл бұрын
@@neroknives1828 appreciate you explaining this and getting back to me
@neroknives18284 жыл бұрын
gurr here's a short video you may find interesting kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mJmIaZeEvrXGf2w.html
@neroknives18284 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgurr4401 I'm not the biggest lock Strength guy. I think any lock as long as it's well done is plenty. But I also think people underestimate the strength of the axis lock.
@londiniumarmoury70374 жыл бұрын
Just an observation, looks like you've been using and carrying your Spyderco's more than your Benchmades :D
@KNIGHTRACEDOTCOM Жыл бұрын
I like the Spyderco feel and steel better. But now 2 Spyderco and 2 Benchmade.
@ScottieG596 жыл бұрын
Pricing is more than simply cost of production. These brands also have product placement factored in. They seek to be more of a Rolex and less of a Timex. The brand placement and recognition is key, as is the perception of quality. Both of these brands are widely imitated, so the value of looking like theses established brands matters to many. Still, the Minimum Advertised Pricing (MAP) policy of Spyderco and Benchmade shows that product placement is a core strategy.
@jonduncansakurawallknifegarden5 жыл бұрын
Just for reference, after benchmade’s patent expired for the axis lock, ganzos are using them and people are sayin that they’re axis lock is comparable and they’re offered for $25- the axis must be cheap to produce in my opinion.
@neroknives18285 жыл бұрын
Jon Duncan people also say a liner lock on a $10 knife compares to that of one found on a $500 knife. Doesn’t mean it’s true.
@jonduncansakurawallknifegarden5 жыл бұрын
I’m just referencing to the price point topic about axis lock. Axis locks are provided on very very low end budgets nowadays and are being utilized on everything now that the patent expired. I’m not saying that it’s bad or comparable to anything, sorry, I meant that the price of two springs and two buttons seems to be inexpensive to make. Hard to compare I agree, but the price to produce one that is user friendly is relatively cheap I’ve found.
@neroknives18285 жыл бұрын
Jon Duncan I’m not trying to be argumentative, sorry if it came off that way. But who spent more time heat treating the bar? How much mill work was/ Machine time was spent on the bar? How much work when into bending the springs to reduce stress? I can go on. I think it’s fair to say that benchmade would put more time into those areas, then a $10 knife would. The same can go for any kind of lock. The same amount of time isn’t spent on fitting a $20 frame lock. As a $500 frame lock. They both look the same. But one had much more work put into it.
@jonduncansakurawallknifegarden5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Something as small as the angle of some chamfering can change my opinion of a knife and make a huge difference. More money into the knife means more people and won’t put into the design and integrity of the knife. I completely agree. This was a good comparison video.
@airtioteclint5 жыл бұрын
Axis lock beats everything. EVERYTHING. Better looking and better warranty too. No brainer.
@airtioteclint5 жыл бұрын
@Levi Fox have you actually had one break? Because my oldest knife, bm 960 is still good after almost 15 years of edc.
@airtioteclint5 жыл бұрын
@Levi Fox have you actually had one break? Because my oldest knife, bm 960 is still good after almost 15 years of edc.
@zebostoneleigh2 жыл бұрын
Production cost is not a factor in determining whether something is overpriced. Production quality and features compared to purchase cost are the factors. Whether a company is efficient or inefficient in their production pipeline is irrelevant. They could pass that cost savings on to the customer... OR pass the extra earnings on to shareholders. So how much it costs a company to make a product doesn't factor into this at all.
@schlooonginator12276 ай бұрын
Had both the Military and Contego. For the money the Contego is definitely worth it. Very different knives though. The Military is a very lightweight cutting tool whereas the Contego is a fully steel framed beast with a better steel a more robust blade that is built for serious hard use. The Military with its tapered blade is more of a pure cutting tool, dlicey dicey, no prying. Much prefer M4 tool steel, the stuff sharpens like a laser and can take a beating. For self defense? Both get that job done.
@simonize2516 жыл бұрын
154CM over VG10 easily. Axis lock and M4 steel over liner & S30V but I like the Millie WAY more
@theshapeexists5 жыл бұрын
154cm is better than vg10 yes. However a $70 delica in vg10 is a steal for how amazing it is. As far as locks, axis has got the cool factor but it's not superior. It's just easier to use for some. As far as spydercos s30v.....its fucking amazing. Just because it's not the newest coolest steel on the bl9ck doesn't mean they haven't worked the kinks out. It's amazing in any way you could want from an edc knife and stupid easy to sharpen. You can't go wrong with either. I think you get way more bang for the buck with a spyderco though.
@pulsatingbeaver5 жыл бұрын
theshapeexists just bought a new 710 for $70. USA D2 in benchmades Millie killer for $70??? That’s wild
@Keen_Edge6 жыл бұрын
IS the axis lock stronger?
@bushcraftjoe59616 жыл бұрын
Hayden Nininger No. Backlocks are the strongest.
@GBall_Vision2 ай бұрын
The compression lock is stronger than a bar lock
@thecarnut98993 жыл бұрын
They both have huge pros and not really a whole lot of cons, you’ve got to own both
@schlooonginator12276 ай бұрын
I really like my Yojimbo. Yeah it's designed for SD but I think wharncliffe blades are way under rated. I really don't get why they are not as popular. When I use a knife, I typically want the tip to bite in the draw the cut for the vast proportion of whatever I cut edc chip bags to cardboard and the wharncliffe is superior. It's this fact that was the reason why the blade shape was chosen for SD. We cut in arches and a blade that curves will not bite into anything as aggressive. My Yojimbo combined with the hollow grind is insane at cutting through material, like half the effort. Ergonomics are also superior to my 9ther knives. This knife was a huge surprise to me just how impressive it is to traditional designs.
3 жыл бұрын
That's not a Griptilian, that's an Osborne 940-2 on your table. I would compare this Benchmade to the PM2 from a quality / function perspective. However interesting review, thanks for sharing!
@Jimatuscc4 жыл бұрын
I really think that we would all be shocked if we actually knew the exact Dollar "cost of production". Many knife companies still sell "jackknifes" for under $10.00 U.S. today. Justification of extreme prices would really interest me. How can Rough Rider sell for 10-20 Dollars when other companies start at 200?
@thomaslanders11626 жыл бұрын
Also, Much (or most) of BM's buisiness is in outdoor stores (REI etc).. They own the high end knife market in those chain stores.. Some dude from the suburbs just wants a good knife for weekend hiking trips.. The sales people will point him right over to BM and not Kershaw, CRKT etc... Not being a knife guy, the buyer dosent know to look for blade play, bad edges etc....My guess is BM is more concerned about pumping out knives and not QC for us knife guys and girls....
@evilbunny5 Жыл бұрын
The cost of making the knife shouldn’t matter in the value debate because if another knife has the same or better quality at a cheaper price than knife A then knife A is overpriced compared to that knife. If someone else can make a equal knife at a cheaper cost it’s the competition’s duty to catch up in manufacturing
@rabee20405 жыл бұрын
I believe any company that makes quality tool that operates as smooth and is dependable of two brand mentioned in this video can charge whatever they please I personally don’t give 2 s@t how much my knife cost was benchmade to manufacture it . I gladly pay and thank them on my way out
@justaamateur65335 жыл бұрын
I prefer Kizer cutlery over Benchmade and Spyderco. Kizer makes good knifes that dont break the bank.
@mistersmith39865 жыл бұрын
Benchmade hands down ⚔️
@thomaslanders11626 жыл бұрын
Over the past 8 years or so, I've owned about 40 Spydercos and 20 BM's.. You must be lucky to not have problems with your'e BM's.. It seems like most everyone else (myself included) has had QC problems..The axis lock costs more cause it's more complicated.. Everything on that lock etc has to have perfect tolerances for it not to have any problems (blade play, weak detent etc).. More parts more problems.. IMO- most knife manufacturers put out a crappy product for the money.. I'm into aquarium fish and bass fishing.. It would be very, very rare for me to get a $100-$200 filter or reel and have any problem...I've had a lot of problems lately with those 2 brands and others.. But, it's saving me money..I'm real picky with any knife purchases and expect near perfection for $200 or even $100...
@RedPillBroadcast2 жыл бұрын
Benchmade for ME: Better design of the blade, frame fits the blade, additional customizable options, better lock, their warranty & service is not even comparable - military discount!
@gmoney59474 жыл бұрын
Anyone whose bought a Benchmade knows why you pay a little more...it’s because they’ll give you a replacement blade for $20 and your knife has a lifetime warranty. Can I send my drunken off the spyderco to sharpen like i can my anthem? Paid full retail for anthem. Bought drunken off knife swap for $300.
@lREZinPEACEl7 ай бұрын
As many have said. I started out wt benchmade because my father loves them. But iv found a lot more blade play and they move off centered a lot on me but iv never had problems wt my spiderco knifes. I love them both but I find spyderco has either better quality controls of maybe there design is better for how I use them. Could be user error as well I am not a knife pro at all
@Suatso2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, mmkay
@SHADOW-ke6xz5 жыл бұрын
I love Benchmade and they been in my pocket more and more this year, also their s30 is the best in my experience.
@herbertgearing17026 жыл бұрын
I own too many of both of these brands and I honestly don't find either brand to be overpriced as a rule. There are exceptions in both brands. Spyderco has more inexpensive models but they are often 8cr13 and made in China (well made but that is a fact). Benchmade has fewer inexpensive models, but the mini griptilian is pretty close to the delica in size and price, you might say it's even a little higher quality. Spyderco is overly attached to the spyder hole and Benchmade is hooked on the axis lock. I really think it is a personal preference, beauty is in eye of the beholder thing.
@ThomasConnolly6 жыл бұрын
In my opinion both Spyderco and Benchmade need to be more competitive in the knife world now. Because companies like Kizer, Bestech, Twosun, We Knives ect... are making amazing quality knives with good materials and great quality control at better price points than Spyderco and Benchmade.
@abc456f6 жыл бұрын
Thomas Connolly WE has never disappointed me. Besides enjoying their styling, their knives are put together very well. My $52 Bestech swordfish is outstanding for the price. Just ordered a starfighter.
@ThomasConnolly6 жыл бұрын
srg914 Also the Rat Model in D2 for $35.00 is a great deal. Also Steel Will Modus in D2 at around $35.00 is good.
@ThomasConnolly6 жыл бұрын
As Chinese knife companies make better quality knives at super competitive prices, both Benchmade and Spyderco are raising prices but not raising their quality control and or designs? For example the new Benchmade Sibert 756 Micro Pocket Rocket Flipper, which is $340.00 - www.bladehq.com/item--Benchmade-Sibert-756-Micro-Pocket--85172 Is Benchmade fucking crazy, this knife for $340.00!! People these days can much better knives at better prices through for example the website Massdrop and knife companies such as We Knives, Bestech, kizer, Tangram, Steel Will, Ontario Knife Company. I really think that Benchmade is going to price themselves right out of the knife market!!!
@domestictourist975 жыл бұрын
Thomas Connolly I don’t think most knife guys care. I certainly don’t. I’d rather pay more for a benchmade or spyderco. I hate Chinese knives. I like the fact that something is made here in the U.S. Also the spyderco and benchmade have a lot of brand value. It’s cool in and of itself to own spydercos and benchmades
@ThomasConnolly5 жыл бұрын
Trust me your opinion is rare!! Most people in the knife Community do care that both Spyderco and Benchmade have raised their prices!! Because in today's knife market Chinese companies are making truly high quality knives at very competitive prices. Especially if you get them through Massdrop. Don't get me wrong, I love Spyderco have for ever. I even got four new Spyderco models this year, but with the price increase those days of feeling like your getting a good value from Spyderco are long gone!!
@f1fork3 жыл бұрын
Ummmm -- a 940 isn't a grip ... instant credibility fail ...
@venicereef4 жыл бұрын
It’s not a question of IF the omega springs will break on a benchmade, it’s when! Spydercos don’t have a tiny thin wire that will snap eventually. Leaving the knife useless
@mikelikesknives4286 жыл бұрын
Another subjective topic just like "quality". For some reason I find Benchmade knives to be ugly. The aesthetics are not there for me. They build one hell of a knife, but I always end up with a Spyderco. I also like their experimentation with so many blade steels. Just my own opinion.
@graniumhdz4193 жыл бұрын
Man. I hate the look of spyderco knives. I think they are batshit ugly. I completely agree with you on finding some benchmades ugly though. Griptilian is not a pretty knife.
@willieboy30115 жыл бұрын
Better steel with 154 CM in the first knife. Aixis lock is stronger than frame, liner, or back lock. (Compression lock is fine with me however). The Axis lock is easier to handle one handed. I prefer the larger handles of the Benchmade to the smaller Spyderco, although this is not always the case. I especially do not like the opening hole of Spyderco when compared to the easy opening of Benchmade knifes. It is all a matter of preference, not necessarily quality, I realize. It is good to have different options to quality knives such as these two knife makers.
@kylekayser22914 жыл бұрын
Benchmade has them beat for one handed open and close in a hurry. In my experience working on the water the Spyderco is too difficult to close with gloves on and hold a mooring rope in your other hand but I like the Spyderco just isn't as good as access lock IMO.
@LB-np5zv4 жыл бұрын
Someone hasn’t tried the ball bearing lock
@kylekayser22914 жыл бұрын
@@LB-np5zv who make the ball bearing lock?
@buckshot19554 жыл бұрын
Kyle Kayser Spyderco. The Manix has one.
@thechemtrailkid6 жыл бұрын
A lot of money can go into production of an item and it can still be overpriced, even if it's sold at cost. Money spent does not necessarily mean value added to the finished product. I'm not saying that this is the case with Benchmade (I'm happy with my 940 purchase), but what a company spent developing a knife and producing a copy of it does not need to be taken into account when asking if something is overpriced. That is, I don't care if a company spent 1 million dollars more than they needed to create a knife, that doesn't add value to it.
@winburna20754 жыл бұрын
Benchmade!
@knuckles-33862 жыл бұрын
If axis locks aren’t any good why did I see a spyderco with an axis lock
@Brewhound775 жыл бұрын
Based on places ive worked, the per unit cost is pretty well known at a relatively low management level. It's not discussed at all below that level, but it is usually a driving metric for second tier management.
@PeyaAdams4 жыл бұрын
Spiders eat butterflies
@neroknives18284 жыл бұрын
Lol. Best comment so far.
@sprinkleddonuts60947 ай бұрын
I prefer Spyderco, and i like benchmade.
@misterbaker97285 жыл бұрын
So I’ve been comparing bm and spydie for about 3 weeks straight trying to make my first over 100$ knife purchase. I’ve bought a Bali and crkt karambit both over 80. And the one thing I noticed immediately was how overpriced bm does for just G-10 60$ up tick in price. Second from countless comments and Nick Shabazz have said hold a bm before you buy it. Yah want a BM just buy a Ganzo
@neroknives18285 жыл бұрын
Matt Baker don’t Beale that. I’ve bought probably 15 bm online and never had an issue. And benchmade cost more for g10 because it’s not just squared off like spyderco does it. If you want hard use lifetime warranty go bm. If you want a slicer go spyderco
@Apex_grind5623 жыл бұрын
The price goes to amazing customer service. It is the best customer service. Secondly, buck knives has great customer service. I love life sharp. No questions asked service. Love both companies and own many. But spyderco gives me problems with customer service. Ie. Clips sharpening etc.
@mosherogoff12524 жыл бұрын
You're sort of comparing apples and oranges. Based on size as well as each of the knives' position in their respective catalogs, seems to me it would be more appropriate price wise to compare the Delica to the Mini-Griptilian rather than the Griptilian.