What's a Fiddlestick? and a alternative!

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What's a Fiddlestick? and a alternative!

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Hey everyone so for this weeks episode I show you how a fiddlestick is used and why. Then Ill show you an alternative way to accomplish the same task that I like to use. These techniques are a bit of a risker way to retrieve a rope and in most cases id always recommend using a tag line with your main line backed up, check out that video here:
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@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

Quick Tip for this: make sure the end of your rope doesn’t have a fat mushroom of a DIY cut end. That could get things jammed on you. Give everything you do a practice run. Keep it low and slow. 🤙🏻

@harlanstockman5703 5 ай бұрын

Exactly that happened to me.

@theclimbingleek 2 жыл бұрын

That thumbnail by itself deserves a like 🤣

@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

😂

@tomtom4405 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't know the bowline method, like it! This means when the climbing rope comes down there are no knots to catch, worst case the tagline is snagged but not the rope :)

@thefack149 Жыл бұрын

This strategy is a hoot. I feel like it does a lot to underscore the notion that the bowline's biggest party trick is being easy to untie after being loaded😂😂😂

@MD-bf2ce 2 жыл бұрын

Wake up on a saturday to new BetaClimbers... Made my morning man

@tylercandler4627 2 жыл бұрын

I do like this alternative, but after seeing HowNot2 break test fiddlesticks, I have to say I'm not all that sketched out by them.

@stephendunne5900 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video. I do feel like this would be an option to use *if* you lost your fiddlestick, but I don’t really see any reason to use it *over* a fiddlestick. One Facebook commenter mentioned that a carabiner coming down hurts a lot more than a fiddlestick would. However, I do appreciate the ingenuity. For releasable rappels, I feel the CEM knot is often overlooked. It’s secure, easy to back up (only needs one carabiner at max), and doesn’t cause any gear to fly down the drop at the team. Fiddlestick/toggle method downsides: the stick can get stuck in a crack, the stone knot can sometimes twist and cause the pull side to be difficult/impossible to release. CEM downsides: there is essentially a large bight of rope that comes down the rappel, and could get stuck on a horn or bush.

@adventureswithfrodo2721 Жыл бұрын

Because this is such a poor video you miss one of the main use of a fiddle stick knot over the CEM,

@YannCamusBlissClimbing 5 ай бұрын

@@adventureswithfrodo2721 I guess there is a missing part in this message???

@samochoa5149 2 жыл бұрын

This man whipped himself 😂 liked!

@johnschewe6358 2 жыл бұрын

Still waiting for that "Respect the Edge" stickers.😉

@konukuauleki 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!! thanks for sharing, I learn so much from this video and all of your videos. Two ways to retrieve the rope and I finally saw the beam to which you disappear going up in a lot of videos, I always wondered to what you were hooked into, I finally found out.

@AZDesertExplorer 2 жыл бұрын

I use a Fiddlestick, have no problem with it. Never saw the bowline method, I’ll have to check that out.

@theclimbingleek 2 жыл бұрын

You're gonna wear your helmet?! 🤨 YES SIR! 💪

@matc87 2 жыл бұрын

the bowline method seems a bit safer and and seems like an easier retrieval compared to the fidlestick edit..I think I'd rather rely on a welded ring and another welded ring or a carabiner not breaking or jamming. I havent tried descending off of either method though

@therigloftmatthewotto4775 2 жыл бұрын

The not for the fiddlestick is called a marlin-spike hitch on a bite. Great video thanks

@nathanburke8387 2 жыл бұрын

*knot

@nolanjones3364 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty good video, for someone who does not understand the technique.

@swedeson6188 2 жыл бұрын

Loved the blooper!

@feelinghealingfrequences7179 2 жыл бұрын

nah...it's sad... it's bible belief of self flagellation...not a healthy belief nor joke...no one ever deserves punishment...bible is fake news

@MegaVagus 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, man! 👍

@alexalea3226 2 жыл бұрын

Question about the bowline method… How hard do you have to pull on the tagline to undo the bowline (both when weighted and unweighted)? Could the weight of a long tagline inadvertently undo your knot? Or could you accidentally undo your knot when fiddling with the tagline during the rappel (changing its path or throwing a stuck section of line)?

@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

that sounds like a good video idea where I can test that. but I think it all depends.. the rope type (slippery rope) or how heavy the rap load is ect.

@williambrennan7794 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, yes you could.

@elpollodiablo3866 2 жыл бұрын

Was just thinking about fiddle sticks and thinking they'd make a solid video topic!

@nathanrice7352 11 ай бұрын

To be honest, this seems sketchier to me than a fiddlestick. Your tension on the rope locks in the fiddlestick. Something tugging on your tag line with the bowline could untie it prematurely.

@tobiasbrewin4355 2 жыл бұрын

What's the advantage of this over a normal long rappel with a tagline? I'd just make a fig 8 on a bite at the top end of the rope so it can't slip through the rappel ring. Then put a biner on that bite and clip it to the rope coming down incase it slips through, then just attach your tag line to that same biner and you can pull the whole rope down when you get to the bottom.

@JobyElliott 2 жыл бұрын

0:36

@TheSilverFiend 2 жыл бұрын

first time I've seen a legit reason to use the boyscout method of tying a bowline.

@archer242424 2 жыл бұрын

Cool video, Joshua, thanks as always!

@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

🤙🏻

@sendit2873 2 жыл бұрын

dude you need to change the oil in that hat what is the deal with the little flatbill type hat is it a TM. But for real man I appreciate the vids because like you I do alot by my self and even though it may not be the mainstream way to do things they work and I have learned alot that has helped me THANK YOU

@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@jackryan148 2 жыл бұрын

Got to give this a test

@gonchagoncha6205 4 ай бұрын

Whats the bowline benefit vs blocking the rope with a knott to one end and pull the rope with a cord?

@BetaClimbers 4 ай бұрын

Friction. Wear and tear on anchors.

@martinofinotelli1884 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe stupid question: why using this method (that always need a rope to pull down the fiddle stick or the ring), instead of tying the two ropes together and rappelling in a traditional fashion?

@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

You have less weight. And less wear on what ever your rapping on.

@nettewilson853 2 жыл бұрын

So when would you use this?

@jimsather6892 Жыл бұрын

I know this is an old video, but I hope you are still monitoring comments. I really like this method as the idea of a fiddlestick scares me, but what happens with the biner? You mention the ring is less dangerous, but doesn't the biner come flying down on the tagline? You see those fiddlesticks come flying down, but they are pretty lightweight. Thinking about a biner flying down, and I'm like man lookout... Maybe it's really no different though. In most blocking rappel retrieves the, biner is pulled down in a controlled fashion completely or mostly (either on the load strand itself, or because of resistance on the load strand as it goes up when biner wasn't also attached to the load).

@BetaClimbers Жыл бұрын

Think I mentioned using two lightweight rings. I suppose the rings can even be made of wood or some other strong composite material but I’d be more worried of the ring braking and not getting my rope than getting hit by the ring. I was pretty good at dodge ball as a kid.

@jimsather6892 Жыл бұрын

@@BetaClimbers Ah yes, that's right, I do recall you saying to use two rings. This really seems like a great alternative, but to your knowledge, is there any information about what the ring might do the cinch and overall strength. Bowlines can roll/capsize a fair amount and I *thought* the standard bowline wasn't considered particularly safe to rappel from. That's why there are a bunch of variants AFAIK (e.g. Yosemite Bowline). All of the variants tend to involve additional passes through the nipping loop and collar to create a better "lock". It *seems* like ring could possibly loosen the lock, especially with cyclical loading (which is why the variants exist). This setup seems awesome and I want to trust it, but it's very unique and I haven't come across it before. I tried looking for break tests, slippage, etc. to no avail. Does such a thing exist? Would love to see a follow up video at some point. Very intrigued. Regardless, thank you!

@BetaClimbers Жыл бұрын

@@jimsather6892 I would trust it but at the end of the day that’s me. To each their one, before KZfaq you would just read about such a thing or hear from a friend and test things out. I personally like it more than a fiddle stick but there are things that can go wrong. Like if the end of your rope has a mushroom end for example the bowline can be very difficult to come off. In this application it’s not like a tie in point on a harness that’s going to get jostled around so I’d say it works fine with this setup. But yeah continue your research and experimenting on your own in a safe environment and see if you become more comfortable. Happy sending! 👍🏻

@stealthop 2 жыл бұрын

hey Josh any chance you could cover climbing shoe stink and how to get rid of it ? please and thank you

@user-mk2sj2ds9k Жыл бұрын

How not 2 did a test on how hard it would be to pull out the fiddlestick

@FappinSteve 2 жыл бұрын

6:12 Question - Why wouldn't you let the first 3 people rappel down without the fiddlestick, or the 2nd method you showed, and *_then_* you do the bowline, or fiddlestick, idea? Why risk it for the first 3, when they aren't going to be using the tag-line? Just curious. If you're going to be retying the bowline not either way, why use it for the first 3 (or how every many people before the last person rappels)?

@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

If you had a group of four let say then you would be courteous and give for first 3 more security. I.E. a back up knot or clip. Then as the last person you take the risky rap. I mentioned retying because the knot could get pretty tight after a few raps which can make it harder to pull out when the time comes to retrieve.

@markedwards2083 2 жыл бұрын

Did "fiddlesticks" become a curse word because it often didn't work? I like your bowline method, but personally probably won't even have a need for it. Great fun video, thanks 👍🏿

@joshuariewestahl2326 2 жыл бұрын

lol shirt says SLACK .... as he needs slack

@jasonbell6670 2 жыл бұрын

you should watch Ryan's video on fiddlesticks haha

@elmeradams8781 2 жыл бұрын

I'll bet that's where he got the idea for this video. Like you, I'm subscribed to both.

@morrow275 2 жыл бұрын

Noice intro!

@YannCamusBlissClimbing 5 ай бұрын

Jump directly to the best part: 8:48 LOL!!

@BetaClimbers 5 ай бұрын

🤣

@drevil2783 2 жыл бұрын

I just started climbing and i find f words have become the majority of words in my vocabulary.

@terranhealer 2 жыл бұрын

Is it correct to assume a double bow line would not work with the ring-beener tag line method?

@continentalchimney7329 2 жыл бұрын

id say so

@davefowler1377 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that video was "Alright"

@beauhill5746 2 жыл бұрын

You should see the video done by veritasium about changing the thumbnail of a video to maximise the reach using the algorithm to your advantage

@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

Are you saying my thumbnail is good Or bad lol

@beauhill5746 2 жыл бұрын

no not at all! i would just love to see your channel explode with growth. i watch every vid no matter what. haha

@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

@@beauhill5746 haha right on I’ll check that video out hopefully it helps I definitely need to step my thumbnail game up. 🤙🏻

@christopheraugood27 2 жыл бұрын

FYI, people usually use fiddlesticks so they can carry less rope. Commonly used by canyoners.

@nilsschenkel7149 2 жыл бұрын

But it doesn´t make that much of a difference compared to other solutions with a tag line, right?

@omribornstein8329 2 жыл бұрын

@@nilsschenkel7149 just the fact that you do not haul the whole rope through your anchor. So this method resembles the fiddle stick method and may be also similar to the machrame' stitching method, if you use a tagline for the first pull loop side (tied to the main line. The tag line is not a part of the macrame).

@samclegg2805 2 ай бұрын

Why are earth would someone make the argument that this is safer than a fiddlestick?

@TheMegaMrMe 2 жыл бұрын

As a beginner climber, both methods look sketchy. I'll just stay out of the desert :))

@gravyblue 2 жыл бұрын

2 words. Beal. Escaper

@buckchow123 9 ай бұрын

I have not used the Beal Escaper, but because it is designed to release after being weighted/unweighted several times, I would be very concerned about using a Beal Escaper in a canyoneering environment, in which quite frequently: 1. the rappel line is weighted/unweighted several times, as multiple people rappel off of the line, and/or 2. the rappel line is weighted/unweighted several times for each rappeler, due to multiple stages in the rappel. I have been in many canyoneering situations where the Beal Escaper would have prematurely released.

@gravyblue 9 ай бұрын

@@buckchow123takes 30+ wrenches to release

@marvinschaefer3973 2 жыл бұрын

We should all give ourselves a smack when we mess up a bowline.

@AMC-eq3jr Жыл бұрын

I have never seen the "JRB Hitch" used in the climbing world. What are your thoughts? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rZ55hbyVxLCReHU.html

@BetaClimbers Жыл бұрын

Very interesting. looks like it works around a tree but I don't think it would work as well through the chains. Its pretty tricky looking too so hard to inspect, you would need to be very familiar with it. Personally I avoid quick releases and use tag lines to pull down my ropes if I can.

@jedpulley1381 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. I definitely like this approach a lot more than the fiddle stick. Just the name itself doesn't inspire confidence haha! That said, HowNot2 did a break test on fiddlesticks a while ago. Definitely worth the watch: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ocdkmdKmurbFg5s.html

@drevil2783 2 жыл бұрын

My wife has a different idea to what a fiddlestick is

@CanyoneeringUSA 10 ай бұрын

Yet another bad FiddleStick video. (facepalm). Bowline system works well perhaps on some ropes. But rope on rope systems are inherently unreliable. "Dry" ropes might not release. Fuzz jobs might not release. We have 10s of thousands of uses of the FiddleStick at this point. We have had a few failures where it failed to release. No accidents I am aware of at this point (knock on wood). But people should not use it without understanding it, best obtained by person to person exchange of expertise.

@rebeccadee4107 2 жыл бұрын

Whats up with this Discord crap? We just wanted to watch you with the other three youtubers and it wanted a bunch of info. We aren't going for the Neurolink activation just to watch you and the other three guys from the Hownot2 channel where you all get together.

@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

🤣 Neurolink! Lol 😂. My bad Ben was streaming it to only his patrons. So it was kind of a soft opening live stream. We are all still kinda working out the kinks in our setups so guess they all dont feel ready for a larger crowd. So it did go live on Ben’s channel just unlisted that link is still up on my discord if you want to check it out it’s pretty funny. But you will have to nuerolink… we are discussing if we should chop it up and just make it a short 45 min or something so that might happen. That takes awhile though to get posted. Sorry for the run around. Discord is cool though so it’s worth it. 🤙🏻

@rebeccadee4107 2 жыл бұрын

@@BetaClimbers we might link up on discord, we just love to see you guys on easy peasy KZfaq!

@BetaClimbers 2 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccadee4107 I hear that lol 🤙🏻