What’s FUN? War Within Melee Tier List
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Our first war within melee tier list about fun is here and boy is this subjective! Once again, this is not about the war within dps meta, it has nothing to do with performance, it has all to do with rotations, fantasy, build diversity and general feel!
Every spec will be augmented with pro’s and con’s and it will be based on the huge amount of testing with did on the beta. War within melee dps rankings ? Yes, based on fun!
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00:00 Intro
00:26 Arms Warrior
03:27 Assassination Rogue
05:16 Outlaw Rogue
06:33 Survival Hunter
09:07 Feral Druid
11:52 Frost DK
14:00 Fury Warrior
16:54 Havoc DH
18:57 Ret paladin
20:22 Sub Rogue
21:44 Unholy DK
24:31 Windwalker Monk
26:47 Enhancement Shaman
#WoW #WorldOfWarcraft #WoWClassTierList #WoW2024
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
💥Click here to get the Outplayed app to record and share awesome clips on the fly! links.overwolf.com/marcelian-outplayed We use it a ton on our videos and 100% love it!
@ZahryD 18 күн бұрын
Hope the Ranged Dps fun tier list incoming.
@Blood_Ronin 18 күн бұрын
Frost DKs rise up.
@aroshley4348 18 күн бұрын
Yes baby
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
it's lookin better and better for our boys each day!
@GPTLeader 17 күн бұрын
Let go 🤗
@Odium16 17 күн бұрын
wish they had removed d&d from frost and tied the cleaves to remorseless winter tho :(
@dylancook903 17 күн бұрын
wish they would put aoe damage back onto howling blast, swap killing machine from obliterate and put it onto howling blast and frost strike like it used to be
@cy83r3 18 күн бұрын
I always look forward to these vids every Friday-very fun to watch. Thank you 🙌🏼
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
Yayy!!!!
@theusernameicoodfind 18 күн бұрын
Thank you for doing these so often. I find it hard to test this stuff out myself and I just get so hyped for the specs I want to try because of you. Survival and Windwalker are both looking so cool.
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
Glad you like them, nice to hear people enjoy so many of our tier lists :D
@theusernameicoodfind 18 күн бұрын
@@MarcelianOnline yeah your tier lists always feel well thought out and researched like you’ve really played all these specs. I appreciate the format too with the tierlist website in the corner and gameplay footage as the main focus. It feels like that extra bit of effort and it just adds more to the video. I honestly get kind of bored seeing other people make tier lists and it’s just a recording of the tier list website. Honestly it’s also the biggest reason I subbed. You guys do a stellar job and I just appreciate the content coming out so often because it keeps me up to date. Also being able to compare survival to bm and marks when you do the ranger tier lists is very helpful. Edit: omg I wasn’t subbed my bad I thought I was. Anyway how I am whoops. You guys rock.
@Aaron-bg4hx 18 күн бұрын
My daughter is 8 and I got her playing WoW and I got her watching you guys to help her get better. It's awesome!
@Erdil321 18 күн бұрын
dude she is 8, get her a bycicle or something like that
@sicario0490 18 күн бұрын
8 year old kid and you have her play WoW, rly bad parenting not gonna lie
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
:)))), that's wholesome and also dangerous to watch OUR content as an 8 year old :P
@-.-Monster 18 күн бұрын
@@sicario0490 I honestly got sad when i read OP comment; that poor girl.
@Aaron-bg4hx 18 күн бұрын
@sicario0490 aww don't worry lol. You're telling me you haven't played video games when you were 8? Games can be addictive no matter. Let me worry about it.
@digitalskill 16 күн бұрын
You know how much more fun DK would be if D&D followed you like an aura similar to Demon hunter's Fire aura or whatever
@Wellshem 7 күн бұрын
For some reason, blizzard designer hate fun
@networknomad5600 5 күн бұрын
This. Mograine gets it, why not us?
@nicholassteele7470 5 күн бұрын
Even if it just cast at your feet like consecration, I would be happier with it.
@digitalskill 4 күн бұрын
@@nicholassteele7470 Honestly I'd settle for that lol. Having to cast it @cursor is annoying and sometimes clips weird
@MrCarlWax Күн бұрын
@@nicholassteele7470Just make that macro. Very easy solution
@9Denzzil9 18 күн бұрын
I'm Monk/hunter main and I'm excited 👌
@Criixus1 18 күн бұрын
Why not for feral a cd when you go bear for big damage or a bigger cat form etc like we used to have the armoured cat forms or saying it warlords when we could turn into the 2 legged cat form
@stevensaddler5530 18 күн бұрын
they have announced what they want with breath and addressed it they like breath of sindragosa however they dont like the way it works currently their goal is to have it last 30-40 seconds all the time and tune the build for that so that you can min max it without encouraging the dgen behavior
@ayoubkhalil1 18 күн бұрын
Love the tier liet videos you've been making. Been wanting a tier list for melee based on how easy it is to play but this works too.
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
the easy one is on its way!
@Lrn2hmp 13 күн бұрын
Can someone please tell me what he uses for combat text
@alsius9162 15 күн бұрын
Any chance youd make a guide for ww? Keep hearing its super fun but i go to play it on beta, have no idea what it does and log out 😂
@Cael175 15 күн бұрын
Great video guys good work. Love the discussion and focus on fun, that's what it should be all about afterall. 💜
@scottsmith6235 18 күн бұрын
Been a shaman longer than Alliance have been and I have to say it’s a whole lot of fun atm on beta.
@fadesrp3622 18 күн бұрын
how did you get a dmg meter to work on beta i couldnt get mine to work
@3d1m4nd3r 17 күн бұрын
do not copy retail addons, just instal beta version
@Dale6515 17 күн бұрын
Sometimes I think Blizzard is looking to much at warrior specs individually instead of the class as a whole. Warrior already has a GCD locked spec with Fury (that is really fun to play) but Arms is for the people who like the slow APM Hard hitting spells. Take some inspiration from the reactions in play style of arms in the current CATA classic and legion styles. It feels good to optimize few and big impact spells. Big MS and whirlwinds with heroic strike and cleave to optimize your rage management.
@keybone87au 11 күн бұрын
Spawning the horseman as unholy a d attacking on your mount sold me 😂
@Kenjataimu888 18 күн бұрын
what weakaura makes the healthbar appear below your character?
@Ivyria7331 18 күн бұрын
It's not a weakaura, it's the personal resource display. You can find it in the options, just search for resource
@Kenjataimu888 18 күн бұрын
@@Ivyria7331 thank you
@72APTU72E 18 күн бұрын
As a surv main that started in SL, I never knew anything better, then I started playing frost dk (boy can I really pick them huh lmao), then boomie, but at long last, surv on top of any tier list, I can't wait to use that new coord assault with other tree restructuring (as it needed a tree restructure literally all of DF, ST and AoE nodes on the wrong sides). I'm not even mad about that mongoose fury change being reverted, because as changed it was entirely too op and knew it was going to mean nerfs elsewhere once it started blowing past other specs in ST, it already was fine, a surv is only spamming mongoose bite in single target, so really don't need to use other things within that 15 sec buff, save for the odd serp sting or bomb. What would you say Flame is the goto hero subspec for surv for war within based off your playing?
@ScCain1 18 күн бұрын
as an unholy dk main. MAN i am hyped! i do hope we can do a more ''festering wound'' build rather than just disease though... i like variation!
@hedonismbot3274 18 күн бұрын
What is those green swordthingis skill i have seen there. Green magic swordclaw thingys ? Im the monk video. Thanks man very helpful. Hope your facial distortion heals.
@Laneflake 9 күн бұрын
I think you’re talking about the covenant ability from Shadowlands, idk what it’s called by my friends always called them “Grabby Hands” lol
@hedonismbot3274 9 күн бұрын
@@Laneflake haha i found it ! Abomination limb for dk 😁 looks supercool. Other than "death and decay" which has a texture i would expect from a game that was released in the 1800s.
@MorganValley 17 күн бұрын
Unholy does have a non-diseases playstyle, and I usually out DPS the diseases with it. It's a wounds build, which is a lot more fun, and can ramp up in damage to above practically anything else.
@Thazi5 18 күн бұрын
"You should never be happy" Got it bossman
@illusionMFREAK 18 күн бұрын
My 4 favorite melee specs are on the top of the Fun-o-Meter? TWW gonna be goooood
@Funkloving 17 күн бұрын
Most fun for tanks? Love your videos! I was thinking of playing BDK if I could get your opinion?
@Nyeusi 16 күн бұрын
He just made the fun tank video
@andersberg962 18 күн бұрын
WW monk main since legion, looks like it's our time! Hopefully for more then 1 season
@WeirdViking 14 күн бұрын
Been away for 2 years+. Gonna be nice to come back to my Ret paladin in TWW
@JohnThompson-mt9nt 18 күн бұрын
Unholy will always play abomination when using Rider of the Apocalypse because of the cool down, they will always be able to have the 4 horsemen out a lot quicker than they would verse a 3 minute Army
@TheJukeboxzero Күн бұрын
WW Monk has been most fun for me since Legion. Been looking at Monk or Pally main (playing multiple roles).
@LoudokaBJJ 18 күн бұрын
I would like M.B. to go back to being a buff you can maintain. I though that was pretty neat.
@Deadneck 18 күн бұрын
Sub on top? Uh oh. . .now I need to check the updates. Stabby stab maybe gets back on the table (as long it wont disrupt me spreading my seeds) Damn it was survival, back to affliction it is😊
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
Sub is really fun all things considered
@Dagoroth55 18 күн бұрын
I am ready for Subtlety to do near top damage while being fun in one patch. Afterwards, being nerfed to the ground because of reasons.
@dacco9414 18 күн бұрын
Sticking to the ret pally. Fun and simple. Just like me.
@PatrickF.Fitzsimmons 17 күн бұрын
My main has been an arms warrior/tank since day one of launch. Warriors, be it good or bad, fight through it.
@MrSaucyBeans 13 күн бұрын
Why cant blizz just make frosts remorseless winter make oblit cleave and everytime you cast oblit it extends remorseless by like 1 second. Dnd feels so bad to press
@DeusRegum 18 күн бұрын
I like Big Bites and I cannot lie! Those other ferals can't deny!
@L0rks 18 күн бұрын
Thank you :)
@StoovTV 18 күн бұрын
i've really stepped away from retail to focus on other stuff. I was hopeful seeing you finally put up a melee list but man... Assa being meh hurts. feels like its always 3rd string for rogue. I think at this point I may just main swap instead of hold out hope for Assa.
@xanscobe 10 күн бұрын
Do I hear every 30sec a thunder in the video? 😮
@MiroshMiko 7 күн бұрын
Dear guys any video on dh you gonna do?
@MostlyFish21 18 күн бұрын
Wait, did you say we don't have to take Defile anymore for Unholy? Won't that mess with our cleave? I just don't like the move because tanks often move mobs out of the area and the visual is terrible for seeing swirlys on the ground
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
Defile replaces DnD, you still have cleave with DnD even without Defile
@Sommers27 5 күн бұрын
I don't main arms, just VERY casually alt it. I'm always sad playing arms because they don't ever seen to get to keep anything on their own. Now fury is getting bladestorm too =(
@alleine.6541 5 күн бұрын
Ok, what about Enhancement after some changes?
@MrJaceleigh 8 күн бұрын
I wish they would bring back hemo and garrote on the Sword, mace, axe spec Rogue.
@EssenceOfTrance 17 күн бұрын
It feels weird when enhancement is really fun you said but needs more love, when rogue straight up has bad hero talents but is okay.
@magicmike1826 16 күн бұрын
I think I might switch over to WW monk from my Havoc DH. Unless blizzard buffs fel scared in the next few weeks because I'm not in love with the Reaver playstyle.
@amonr3 18 күн бұрын
hey i saw my monk at druid section wuhu!
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
@juiicer 16 күн бұрын
The KC weaving on SV is the reason it's S tier. Everything feels so good. They just need to tweak the hero tallents a little more and it would be perfect... the only BIG exception is they still need to fix Mongoose Fury. Both version of it that have been on the beta (the original, the rework and then reverted back to the original) have been terrible. But you can entirely ignore it in AOE and mostly ignore it in ST so, eh. Overall, great time to be an SV main.
@EthanMackey-hx9he 10 күн бұрын
I just started assassination in s4 dragon flight and I think they are really fun im sad to see their not gonna be great 😞
@rhombodazzle9700 17 күн бұрын
windwalker monk still has the UNLIMITED POWER built too
@Shiva-zn4nz 18 күн бұрын
Stuck between deciding unh DK or monk 😭
@dewkong_ 18 күн бұрын
I will be playing both, it should be easier to play multiple characters with warband
@ZaFiroMark 18 күн бұрын
Go DK. Always go DK
@megadoomer5309 17 күн бұрын
@@ZaFiroMarkwhy ? I’m stuck between both too
@Shiva-zn4nz 17 күн бұрын
@@ZaFiroMark As much as I want to, somehow I feel Blizz has no clue what to do with Dks
@RealAndyOriginal 17 күн бұрын
It’s hard for me not to play monk! I just hate the slowness of DK where as monk feels so nimble and light !!
@srnybreak 18 күн бұрын
im rly sad about my main :-( time to swap from arms to prot probably 😞
@TadSoft 14 күн бұрын
"Hero talents are atrocious" THANK YOU!!!! They are sub par at best. Rogues needs a major overhaul.
@razpaqhvh7501 11 күн бұрын
yeah don't rework warriors first cause they are definitely in an amazing spot gameplay wise
@Mattlife97 10 күн бұрын
I honestly felt colossus arms warrior was enough to make me pick arms after testing all the warrior specs
@armagedoc66 12 күн бұрын
Farewell my boy, Arms 😢
@sp00g37 18 күн бұрын
does it feel good to stack vers and mastery on survival?
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
No clue, why would that question have an answer on Beta?
@sp00g37 18 күн бұрын
@@MarcelianOnline i figured with it having pvp and raids, that it probably dealt with stats. and since survival basically has 2 vers stats, i wasnt sure if it was cool just stacking them
@pedroajax1 12 күн бұрын
Is retri paladin a melee Spec? Press D to doubt
@minoxiis3419 18 күн бұрын
I’ll be playing unh obviously
@m_rod9562 17 күн бұрын
Obviously this is all subjective, but putting sub and outlaw above Assa rogue is wild, considering assa has the best spec tree of the 3. Maybe hero talents play more of a roll than im assuming
@Hyperion602 17 күн бұрын
Big agree about Arms, I played it all throughout DF and despite its problems, it was a ton of fun throughout. Playing it on the beta is just depressing, the spec already wasn't hard and they dumbed it down even more. It is just so mind numbingly boring now, I'm jumping ship to a hunter or mage.
@josecervera2480 17 күн бұрын
Fire mage or ret paladin??
@havtor007 17 күн бұрын
If you already know how to play fire mage and you find it fun play fire mage there is very high chance of it being good.
@Electric_ 17 күн бұрын
I’d swap Fury and Ret. Ret is a great spec in terms of utility and damage, but I think it’s boring to play, whereas Fury, especially in WW, is a blast. The rogue specs all need to be reworked as the average WoW player isn’t going to bother with the complex keybinds needed to play them, including outlaw. Just swapping from ST to AOE as a rogue can significantly change keybinds in a way that no other class or spec experiences because of stealth skills. I like Outlaw and Assassination, but whenever I play them I mourn for any new player who rolled it first because they’re not going to have a good time. I think Feral should be A Tier and it is a fun and refined spec.
@cethseven 17 күн бұрын
Wanted to focus on my warrior in TWW ... seems like I just play Ret.
@TheXerosyn 18 күн бұрын
Question cause this may change people choices. Is the legendary axe usable in the expansion or does it go into retirement?
@murrloc1859 18 күн бұрын
Is survival still squishy?
@willywunder0648 17 күн бұрын
not anymore
@armedjester81 14 күн бұрын
Shadowpan was our chance at stealth monks, and they missed it. Sad monk main is sad.
@anantisocialsinsight 18 күн бұрын
Idc if my class sucks. I’m a warrior for life. I live and die by the sword. On a side note, I want to main a pally so bad but man when i switch over it just feels so damn squishy and I am constantly having to hit my “oh shit” buttons compared to my fury warrior who never needs to heal after combat got obvious reasons and they heal by attacking so i never have to pause my dps. Anyone know if that changes or it’s just me and i maybe need to gear my pally better?
@yaintwrong 18 күн бұрын
Paladin is objectively tankier. Probably gear diff
@anantisocialsinsight 18 күн бұрын
@@yaintwrong I’m talking dps specs. I know I could be wrong but there’s a huge difference between the two imo. Gear not that far off but yeah the warrior being my main is geared up but i never felt squishy in my warrior as opposed to my ret pally. I mean as Fury i continuously heal while doing damage and i have self heals and second wind is amazing. Maybe I’ll try gearing my pally up some more and see because I kinda like their theme better. Idk if being Kul’Tiran also added to my warrior being tanky. Now i have two passives that heal me when i receive damage lol. What do you recommend for my Ret to feel similar level of tankiness without having to constantly stop to spam self heals mid combat.
@brawlcity6383 18 күн бұрын
They should Just give up on breath of sindragosa and make it the frost dk version of wake of ashes and have it replenish your runes 🤣🤷♂️
@farhanelmi9343 17 күн бұрын
Lets hope survival hunter no longer has button bloat😢
@jeje4131 18 күн бұрын
Seriously not having played the beta is hard to make up my mind. I like plate class however everyone seem to agree that warrior is kind of boring and ret is super fun. However DK some say is shit some say is fun. I'll probably start with Ret if anything just come I worked a lot to unlock all corrupted ashbrringer tints.
@Arja021 18 күн бұрын
Hit the nail on the head with Havoc
@Avo7977 18 күн бұрын
How are DH's looking in PvP for TWW?
@Arja021 18 күн бұрын
@@Avo7977 Not sure. I'm one of those "all PVE all the time" folk
@XxEXTREMESNIPxX 18 күн бұрын
The last time Enhsham was really fun was in wod , I don't like having to use elem abilities , it's not a melee spec it's weird caster spec I Don't like it that much , is it fun ? meh , Is it good ? meh , is it a weird version of Elem ? yes . But since WOD I've finally tested DK and I'm now an Unholy dk main since legion and the new changes are awsome , god I love DKs
@syxqid3818 18 күн бұрын
My 2 mains for tww are ww monk & sv hunter. Damn the rework is just to good ❤ the only thing i dont like is exemple harm as passiv :/ but should the rework from enhancer not be damn good and unholy again no wound build have i won't switch and take this 2 😊
@marct138 18 күн бұрын
Melee - if you dont want to see anything whats going on.
@SacredFeline 18 күн бұрын
It’s called a front row seat 😅
@johnnymelavo5891 18 күн бұрын
U were too kind with ENH. Sure stormbringer is good but would benefit a lot from flurry, which they hide behind a talent that build doesnt need. And totemic is just messed up. Also, dont u think stormbringer spending strategy hurts doom winds as a cd?
@MarcelianOnline 18 күн бұрын
Played it, has issues, didn't feel it was as bad as was advertised
@cinders11037 18 күн бұрын
i dont mind old mover with momentum at all put inertia is ao ass and w the hero talents might just swap to dk so i can actually enjoy the new system
@slayrx 18 күн бұрын
Arms blows... Again. What a surprise.
@JesseSabatini 18 күн бұрын
😢
@aces8481 18 күн бұрын
@@slayrx literally 0 chads that are devs sigh
@Ithyphallics 17 күн бұрын
Only Metzen could save Warrior...and he rerolled Pally.
@Boss-ot1iy 17 күн бұрын
@@IthyphallicsFury warrior is incredible. What are you on?
@yedessjr 17 күн бұрын
@@Boss-ot1iy arms is just a tanky spec
@deathblade909 7 күн бұрын
As one of 12 survival hunter I'm glad we gor a rework . But yohr rigjrbthe herontalents seem to favor bm or mm. We should have gotten black arrow
@MarcelianOnline 7 күн бұрын
Sentinel is still the best hero talent, so BM is really the loser of the hunter specs in that area
@depressedonion5610 18 күн бұрын
I've been an Arms player since vanilla and this is the first expansion where I might actually switch mains. The hero talents are an absolute snorefest and barely do anything to change much of the gameplay that has so desperately needed change for a long time.
@richard_n 18 күн бұрын
Shaman had been my main for most of my WoW playing career, but I finally gave up on it due to no love from the devs. Elemental can be fun, but it's way to complicated. Resto is good, but it never seems to be meta or strong. Enhancement is the funniest of the three, but it seems to always underperform. Why the heck didn't they just make Flurry baseline as well? That would free up a point for more damage or utility.
@kevinreau9057 18 күн бұрын
Thx you, need same for tank plz :D
@fofaodacarretafuracao9963 18 күн бұрын
Stuck between Feral and Monk, For pvp and pve
@krisumusic 18 күн бұрын
I'm a feral and ww main. On beta I love ww, but feral just feels... similar to Shadowlands. So nothing new. More bleed focused though in PvP :)
@krisumusic 18 күн бұрын
What I mean is, it's hard to justify feral when ww monk design is INSANE.
@RIPJoeRogan69 5 күн бұрын
Fury is fucking insane lmao i would put giga fun mountain thane finally good aoe to pair with great faceroll ST
@eriklancaric 18 күн бұрын
Defile not fixable?😅 Just make a glyph so it looks like clasic DnD - fixed
@YappowTV 18 күн бұрын
UH💚 is the way
@Centrifuze 18 күн бұрын
11:06 I like big BITES and I cannot lie You other druids can't deny That when a boss walks in and you need to get a taste You take a bite off its face And it's YUM!
@MasonC2K 17 күн бұрын
I guess my warrior will just be tanking at the start.
@etzu_gaming4779 18 күн бұрын
Would love to say Monk... but if u play it in the beta, it feels awful outside of cds and procs... esp shadopan feels like the worst hero talent right now.. the sync is so off.. the tracking and playing around feels so bad... but in generell, ur starve energy so hard... even if u take all chi generator und energy talents... u starve and stay there with nothing to press... and there is veraity to choose talents other than those, cause its not playable... fells very bad. Eigher reduce the cost of tigerpalm by 10-15 or double the energy gain...
@TheJOCKREY 17 күн бұрын
Best wow content on the tube.
@eodyn7 18 күн бұрын
Frost DK should have a 2h
@_Kere_ 17 күн бұрын
I like big bites and I cannot lie. But damn I wish it was bleed spec dominant instead of bites.
@mindflayer 17 күн бұрын
Shaman re-work? Stankie doesn't hold up hope.
@DrPlonk 18 күн бұрын
My problem with arms is ... too many buttons that do "kinda the same but slightly different in rage to damage value". It's boring, bloated and repetitive. Not even 20% of the rotation feels fun to press.
@alp_altinok3828 17 күн бұрын
Arms warrior is my favourite spec on the beta having played every melee. I completely disagree with your take. Good video tho!
@lars4422 17 күн бұрын
Is it me or is the vid bad quality?
@FCBcubano 18 күн бұрын
Druid of the claw feels like a defense swap for pvp like tou would as a warr but it's sucks and the other hero talents is useless. You just play and get a free new bleed lol
@Guatdefook 18 күн бұрын
You're playing Unholy VERY wrong in the beta. Best builds for M+ allow for both wounds and disease at the same time.
@norman9183 18 күн бұрын
Shaman Feedback: TOTEMIC doesnt work currently. I mean wtf.
@grimmjowthepantera 18 күн бұрын
Blizz hate Shaman its fact !
@Warzol 18 күн бұрын
ty dude. i main fury warrior... warriors need more love damn it... this is bullshit... i have been thinking of rerolling but then i have to learn that class's rotation and stuff... was thinking of either rerolling monk, enhancement shaman or ret pally. but i feel the warrior will get their time... i just need to wait a bit longer... but kinda bullshit since warrior should have been the 2nd or the first one to get a big rework of sorts... instead just got talent relocation... it's fuckin stupid.
@Strezleki 18 күн бұрын
Roll a warrior and watch them ascend to godhood in a later patch. Zug zug
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