Hey Guys, In this video, I go over the assembly of the Behringer Model D from the chassis to the circuits to give you a better understanding of the quality and build of these units. Thanks for watching, Jareth
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@Heathcliff_hensel6 жыл бұрын
I think behringer deserves credit for building this synth.Only $300.00 and the ability to polychain.
@user-ed5ix1sw6i6 жыл бұрын
polychain...?
@Heathcliff_hensel6 жыл бұрын
- 5:35
@pcuimac6 жыл бұрын
Heathcliff Just shows what a mythical beast aka scam the Moog Model D is! They sell a myth.
@Heathcliff_hensel6 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair the Model D reissue is built by hand which does take a lot of time and labor. But I get where your coming from.
@zoundsic6 жыл бұрын
It's the Brand thing, their not alone, Synths as status symbols.
@jeremymurray-wakefield80116 жыл бұрын
Terrific video - wish others did open-device videos to such high standards. Well-done!
@freebreeze90426 жыл бұрын
This guy is just great. Its heart warming to know good people populate the Earth.
@williamgeorgefraser5 жыл бұрын
Mine arrived today. Feels really solid and sounds great. Thanks a million, Behringer.
@tonyhill89635 жыл бұрын
What a great damn video! I'm looking at buying 4 of these, so was soooo happy to get a look inside...it looks really solid! A million thanks, man.
@muzikman20083 жыл бұрын
Really interesting, thanks for the look inside. Quality at a great price. Love my Boog D :-) Apparently, the calibration and tuning is more stable on the later Model D's because they changed the trim pots for continuous rotary type pots, so they are more stable. Good move Behringer.
@cheek1m0nkey6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tear down. Love that you're using the Polymoog as a table. My old Polymoog also spent its last days as a work bench... :-)
@ErikHawk6 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks for doing this. This is really excellent. It's so cool to know what I'm buying. (Yes, I'm totally sold on this unit, a Model D for everbody!)
@aardjazz6 жыл бұрын
great video, nice to see after the A/B test you did with the Moog model D. What a spectacular achievement for Behringer! Slam Dunk! Just bought one after your last video, it it really is great, adds something to my sub37
@thestatpow55 жыл бұрын
Received mine 2 days ago, it is awesome. it goes really well with the Neutron, it's like they were made for each other!
@scottharris72226 жыл бұрын
Fantastic background and insight. Thanks for this.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome Scott!
@MarshalArnold6 жыл бұрын
Hey SynthPro! Thanks for showing us what's under the Behringer D's dress! This teardown and walkthrough was very informative and should calm some peoples nerves about this thing.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Hey Marshal Arnold, Your very much welcome, I was happy to be able to shed some light for those interested. I actually just watched your SE-02 comparison video and that was great, well done! All the best, Jareth
@VickersDoorter6 жыл бұрын
What nerves are present given the hugely successful and critically acclaimed X-32 and Deepmind 12?
@MarshalArnold6 жыл бұрын
VickersDoorter well first the x32 is a mixer and the DeepMind 12 isn't a clone of the MiniMoog Model D. Big difference when a company claims to have a perfect clone of one of the most famous synths of all time for 10x less money. Those nerves are the nerves I'm speaking of.
@jeffreyfago90356 жыл бұрын
Great video! I look forward to all your videos.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Jeffrey!
@phlattgetit6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this Jareth. It's great you took the time to explain some of the basic tech terms. You did that so well without being insulting or over-complicated. If you ever have time you should consider doing a basic electronic music tutorial series. There are plenty of us out here that can just handle a soldering iron well enough to blob up a short circuit. :(
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome Phlattgetit, glad you enjoyed this video! I may look into doing some things in the future. Thanks again, Jareth
@uhoh0074 жыл бұрын
Great info, and wonderful presentation. Thank YOu
@gnarlysoundscapes72106 жыл бұрын
Great video. I love seeing the inner workings of synths and things, but don't want to take the risk of opening mine up unnecessarily.
@cyb3rk3v6 жыл бұрын
They went over and above with the D. Can't wait till December!
@ME-ru4hv6 жыл бұрын
over and above the trashcan? hopefully but I doubt it.
@donallfinn6 жыл бұрын
They went below and underneath. Google Uli Berringer and see what type of a human being you are handing your money to.
@ecuadorrealestatevideos10975 жыл бұрын
Terrible.dee, clearly Uli is no saint. I’m curious if you have Googled the guys running the oil companies you buy gas from, or the Pacific Rim folks you buy most everything in your house from? Behringer has done some crappy stuff over the years, but I think his current direction is a valid service to the industry. Quality, low cost versions of PUBLIC DOMAIN products enables a new generation (not to mention us vintage musicians who don’t have a spare $3500) to afford and incorporate some of these classic synths into our rigs.
@Trig2426 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for taking the time
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thank you and your very much welcome!
@Feldspar__2 жыл бұрын
We appreciate you too Jareth.
@Digiphex6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity of what was inside.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome.
@Digiphex6 жыл бұрын
Is there any way you could add CV control of each oscillator independently for chords? I think stock it just comes with one CV for all the oscillators.
@timbeaton50456 жыл бұрын
Excellent series of videos on this new synth, which on the face of it offers great sound, for not a lot of cash. Not going through all the comments, so pardon me if i repeat, SMD stands for Surface Mount Device. Explained in the video. Just waiting for the comments that say "I can hear the difference between SMD components and through-hole components!!! :-)
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Tim. Haha, I have been waiting for that comment as well. All the best, Jareth
@returnofthenative Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I just got one, finally, & love it. I also have the Pro 1 & 2 of the Wasps, all solid & excellent, plus a ton of Behringer signal processing rack gear. Not a single problem with any of them. Roland? not so much. I have 5 pieces of theirs, & every single one came with a problem.
@ArthurStone6 жыл бұрын
Thanks synthpro; much appreciated :D
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your very much welcome!
@Decode3036 жыл бұрын
Thank you great synth!
@savanaviolenta5 жыл бұрын
im getting this for sure.
@scottyhughes91796 жыл бұрын
really an excellent video, thanks!!
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Scotty!
@scottyhughes91796 жыл бұрын
makes me want to get one... I am surprised by the quality of the build and parts.
@Trottelheimer6 жыл бұрын
Thank you synthpro, for pointing out the difference between integrated and discrete! (Parts of the synth world have declared ICs to be discrete electronics in their pursuit of ignorance...)
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your very much welcome!
@wackenthaljef6 жыл бұрын
Very very helpful video.....thxs!
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome Jeff!
@ejsrocket Жыл бұрын
I wondered if it'd be possible to create a Minimoog "shell" that the Model D sits inside? If the knob and button contacts could be wired from the D to the new faceplate I make? I hope I'm making sense. I want the full sized Minimoog but can't afford one, so I wondered if it could essentially be a brain inside a wooden cabinet I construct.
@compagotv6 жыл бұрын
Well how about that. Well done Behringer. Great video! Thank you
@tukler26 жыл бұрын
Thanks, great video!
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@robertsyrett19926 жыл бұрын
fascinating. thank you!
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome Robert!
@station2station5446 жыл бұрын
hugely informative. thank you
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome!
@smilingbuddha28366 жыл бұрын
I subbed just for the sound of your voice alone.
@RadiAsian3 жыл бұрын
thank you for this.
@bengtbaron25746 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the walk through and close up's. The Uli B stuff is so cheap its splendid source for one owns hacks...
@attorks6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Looks really solid. Only the price seems to be over 500 euros in the Netherlands which is a lot more than 300 dollars.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome Martin! Yeah, thats not as cheap for sure in euros which is odd to me because euros is worth more than USD so I would figure it to be cheaper.
@savanaviolenta5 жыл бұрын
299€ from Thomann,where have you seen it for 500€?
@thesynthfloyd6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@amazeus19806 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Many thx :)
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome and thank you.
@edcollins93779 ай бұрын
I have a question for you MR SYNTHPRO!!!! I HOPE YOU CAN ANSWER IT FOR ME On the original Moog Model D's (as well as the newer reissues), the Noise switch does 2 different things: 1) When the NOISE SWITCH is in the "WHITE" position, WHITE NOISE is sent to the audio mixer (which then supplies WHITE NOISE to the audio input of the VCF). Despite the fact that the NOISE SWITCH is in the "WHITE" position and WHITE NOISE is sent to the audio mixer, PINK NOISE (instead of WHITE NOISE) is sent to the MODULATION MIX POT as the selected modulation source.. 2) When the same noise switch is moved to the "PINK" position, PINK NOISE is now sent to the audio mixer, while RED* NOISE (instead of PINK NOISE) is sent to the MODULATION MIX POT as the selected modulation source. This I am sure of because it states it in the Moog Model D manual as well as the block/functional diagram of the Minimoog Model D.. However, the Behringer Model D APPEARS to work differently. (It is also less confusing.) 1) When the NOISE SWITCH is in the "WHITE" position, WHITE NOISE is sent to both the audio mixer and the MODULATION MIX POT. 2) When the NOISE SWITCH is in the "PINK" position, PINK NOISE is sent to both the audio mixer and the MODULATION MIX POT. This conclusion is based solely upon my Ears. If my Ears are correct, this means that the NOISE SWITCH on the Behringer Model D behaves like the NOISE SWITCH on an ARP ODYSSEY as opposed to the NOISE SWITCH on an actual MOOG MODEL D. The Behringer Model D instruction manual is rather vague on this matter. It simply states that the noise switch selects either "WHITE NOISE" and "PINK NOISE" as the internal noise source. It has nothing more to say on the matter. MY QUESTION: Are my ears right or wrong? Can you confirm the above for me???????? Personally, I prefer RED and PINK noise over (White & Pink) as modulation sources and white and pink as audio sources. However, there are a few applications where white noise makes a good mod source. (I can immediately think of an "Applause Patch" I use on my Odyssey where white noise modulation makes a close approximation of an audience clapping. On the other hand, I much prefer Red Noise modulation when playing Lunar Sea by Camel.) In addition to a Model D, I also have a Moog Voyager. Surprisingly, the Voyager lacks a NOISE SWITCH. Instead of supplying White or Pink noise, the Voyager offers a compromise. It supplies a hybrid of WHITE/PINK NOISE TO THE AUDIO MIXER and a hybrid of PINK/RED to the mod busses. (The info on the white/pink hybrid came from the Voyager manual. I got the info about the pink/red hybrid from an old SOS mag review, but I was never able to substantiate it). The Voyager is simpler, but I prefer additional options over simplicity. FWIW, The ARP Axxe only offers Pink Noise, but the Axxe, Odyssey, and 2600 are also capable of processing pink noise into random S&H modulation!! The Prophet-5 only offers white noise. Of course, if you have white noise, you can use the LPF or even the EQ on your mixer, to approximate pink noise if you really need it) As far as monosynths go, I prefer the semi-modular EMS VCS3 and ARP 2600. Both of these offer white noise along with a special noise filter that one can use to dial in white/pink/red (or low freq) noise as well as various in-between shades. (And the 2600 also offers random S&H). You can also route the noise outputs to numerous audio and modulation inputs. My Buchla 200 system has the incredible Source of Uncertainty module that offers +3dB (white noise), flat (pink noise), and -3dB (red or integrated white noise). I use it with my Buchla 294 comb filter module (or my Moog fixed filter bank) which is capable of boosting the high frequencies. This allows me to produce an assortment of rather unusual noise colors including blue and violet noises (differentiated white noise). Blue and Violet noise are great for simulating "steamy showers", misty rain, steam, and mechanical boiler rooms.
@hendrickvalera Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation! stumbled upon this video because my current unit has a faulty MIDI IN input. I know this might be not super interesting to answer but does anyone have any clue what's the first thing to look at when trying to repair that input? Thanks SynthPro!!
@xaviercorbel1596 жыл бұрын
Thanx for in the insights :) Since you have it, what is the depth for a Eurorack mount ? Is it width 71HP? What are the power requirements for a Eurorack mount ?
@paultp12cora246 жыл бұрын
Hi Jaret it is nice to look inside a bit less than the minimoog
@robertwayman82206 жыл бұрын
Can you show us how you do your special tuning calibration that you do for the low frequencies
@gchristyer6 жыл бұрын
Really nice job dude ....keep it up do all the behringer reissues ...as I’m buying them alll !
@savanaviolenta5 жыл бұрын
Behringer ,please make a replica of Linndrum LM2.You did it with 909 and 808,so I guess it won't be difficult for your talanted engineers to come up with a killer Linndrum machine.
@-thirteen6 жыл бұрын
I hope you do a quick recap when you have a production unit. thanks
@MediaMusik7776 жыл бұрын
So I have taken the moog model d manual and compared the features and they are the same except some switch colors/orientation and patch points...If you can confirm this synth pro this would be awesome.Also if you hook up your prototype does it transmit midi data into abelton and if so what are the cc# numbers ..(hoping lfo will be able to be assigned to mod wheel)
@LaggyKikee6 жыл бұрын
Oh my analog indeed... I am astonished. There's absolutely no reason not to buy this synth, well done Behringer
@vegettoblue87056 жыл бұрын
Looks badass
@TheSoundtec Жыл бұрын
i have one of these broken pots and rotaries. i need to identify them any suggestions? big thanks !
@bugjobdoofusbrain3 жыл бұрын
im curious what your take on the poly d is. ive read that the gain staging is different and they dont really overdrive like the model d. do you know if thats true and if so is that something thats mod-able?
@MadelnMachines4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insight into the electronic components and explaining the difference between discrete and integrated and through hole. With that in mine should a discrete SMT sound identical to a discrete through hole in your opinion (assuming the same circuit design) or are there a lot more variables in the tolerances etc in through hole design than SMT? It's easy to think looking at through hole that it sounds more chaotic, raw and analog just looking at it, whereas the SMT is all neat and pretty and manufactured and people seem to say modern analog sounds sterile, too stable and lacks warmth. Seems to make sense even though it may not hold any truth. Does discrete really just refer to it being a custom design rather than an off the shelf design? Have you compared the internals of other Behringer synths and noticed significant differences in circuit design contributing to a different sound or are they mostly the same layout with a few tweaks to change the sound a bit? Thanks
@synthpro4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching☺. These are great questions and it is a fairly large answer but will explain this the best I can. Both through hole and surface mount can have a very similar sound but it's all to how the engineering is done. There are definitely things to consider such as tracing sizes, component wattages, inductance, etc. In most cases through hole does tend to sound more lively due to the size of tracings and most components such as resistors being 1/4 to 1/2 watt where as a lot of surface mount components range from very small wattages to the same or equal wattage rating to that of through hole. For those that don't really understand current limit...here is a example...think of a cheap set of jumper cables using smaller wire than the more expensive jumper cables, it may be able to deliver the voltage but not the current needed to turn over the car. This would be an example of very small tracing carrying current on a surface mount board. Needless to say, in most synth designs there is not a lot of current draw in circuits but in some components, the current does play a factor with how some amplifiers/transistors behave therefore it's always a nice idea to prevent current limiting in some areas. Overall some of the ideas of one sounding better than the other is really in the mind but there are factors such as tolerance specs, matching components, age, and overall hours used which all can play a factor to how instruments sound. Of course today's manufacturing of components has such a tighter tolerance than what we had in the past so components can actually be more predictable and way more reliable, this is not to say old components are a bad thing because sometimes the slight tolerance differences between components is also what makes the sound unique. Moog back in the early days of the minimoog would actually match transistors for the ladder filter etc so they tend to have a better sound in my opinion than the later minimoogs which they only matched critical transistors, (this comes back to the importance of engineering and component selections). Synths like the Behringer D are nice because they actually used a match transistor package per ladder section so this actually makes it slightly less sensitive to thermal changes within the ladder filter tuning. The oscillator circuits are still quite drifty due to them using the none thermally regulated version if the minimoog oscillator, (this is the oscillator that most minimoogs have and people actually desire due to the phase interaction). This biggest differences in my opinion to synths like the Behringer D is the fact that the control voltage is digitally generated, this means that the voltage will be accurate but the circuits using this voltage still has that natural drift due to it being a true analog design. I hope this helps answer your questions a bit. Jareth
@stevekiraly60886 жыл бұрын
Great, informative video !! If the unit is to be moved into a Eurorack, how is the midi addressing and 2 analog outputs dealt with ?
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I am not 100% sure but I will find out for you. Jareth
@dialaname6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this thing would fit inside a kb37?
@ReginatorNet6 жыл бұрын
Excellent walkthrough. I'm one of those tech-savvy guys but I plan to leave the Behringer Model D stock just for the vintage Minimoog sound. Just curious, have you tried calibrating the Behringer like you do your vintage Model D to see how she behaves?
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! I don't blame you at all, I'm honestly the same as you, I like originality. I have not played with the calibrations yet but I'm sure it will work in a very similar manner.
@exploding-man6 жыл бұрын
I honestly want one for the eurorack compatibility alone. Even if I were to save and set aside the cash for a real D (which admittedly, sounds slightly better) that feature alone makes this worth having separately.
@davidreidy57503 жыл бұрын
Best my fave monosynth,just wish I could fix that low note priority ordeal
@nimbvs72335 жыл бұрын
Just ordered a Model D -- this has a balanced TRS output, correct?
@peterldelong6 жыл бұрын
Can you do a piece on a tear down of a re-issue genuine Moog Model D for a comparison? I come from aerospace like you in electronics and I’m interested in how Moog is building their modern version of the Model D. Thanks in advance.
@synthpro9 ай бұрын
I know it has been 5 years but will finally be making video of the inside of the 2016 reissue minimoog. Will still be a few weeks before it's up.
@questorjones25176 жыл бұрын
What is your feeling regarding the quality and potential longevity of those single turn calibration trimpots? Behringer already changed them to multiturn trimpots in V2 but I am concerned about the single turn ones since that is what I am (stuck) with unless I return it.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Questor Jones I don't see the trim pots being an issue, I have not adjusted my unit yet but just from looking at them, they are built like most other trim pots on the market.
@VladimirPantelic6 жыл бұрын
about using the case for other Eurorack modules,does it deliver both +12V and -12V?
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
It does not have a supply as mentioned in the video but it wouldn't be hard to add one or use it for the none powered stuff like multiples etc.
@AdamTheAd-vanc3d6 жыл бұрын
Do you know if uses the transistor oven method for temp control. Or a tempco resistor ? . Anyway thankyou so much for showing us inside. I think the digital a440 ref is great at least you can safely say your a440 is going to be spot on :-)
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
It actually does not use any heater method, this is something I have been sharing with Behringer about. with this said, it still seems to be quite stable, I think that is due to all the circuits being close together. Your very much welcome, was happy to shed some light on the mystery of the operation. All the best, Jareth
@AdamTheAd-vanc3d6 жыл бұрын
synthpro . Thankyou very much for the info Jareth and your reply. Thats good to know thats its very stable , but hey its analogue and the imperfections in my opinion are what controbute to the massive sound of the original moog. :-). Im guessing maybe the modern smd 3046s are generally better in performance than the older ones.
@EchoReverb69 ай бұрын
thanks for this video wanna ask about the back of board , what that mean VCF Range VCF scale ?
@synthpro9 ай бұрын
You're welcome. The VCF range and scale is how you calibrate the filter for proper key tracking. When calibrated correctly, you can use the VCF by itself as a sinewave oscillator or to track harmonics of the oscillators for different tonal characteristics.
@EchoReverb69 ай бұрын
@@synthpro thanks for telling me !! thats so nice of u ! can i ask another question , i got poly D , think they are same at Filter part , mine doesnt work well , if switch to low pass. only hear Click sound , if switch to Hi pass , i can hear note .. can i get some advice about whick part should i check ? thanks!!!
@KiR_3d6 жыл бұрын
Hey, Jareth! Cool review, thank you! Would like to know more about PSU part of this thing. I don't see a transformer, so is it hidden somewhere or this thing works from some sort of a negative rail generator IC? Actually there must be a transformer or a PSU box somewhere, isn't it?
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Ok, here is how this supply works: The main power comes from a 12VDC wall adapter and is regulated down for the plus voltages. The negative voltage is made up by a switching IC, its using some very small packaged inductors, this signal is filtered and then powering a negative voltage regulator. Based on the time I have ran this unit, I have had absolutely no troubles and no heat out of the wall adapter, everything seems to work very well and don't have any issues with parasitic hysteresis in the voltage rails.
@KiR_3d6 жыл бұрын
Is it LM2576? I've bought that and didn't tried it yet still (some more important things to do).
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
No, this design is using the LM2611 switcher and then driving a 3401 linear regulator.
@KiR_3d6 жыл бұрын
So is it able to give -12v as well? I've seen the examples in the TI datasheet and there are about 5v.
@joachimsundgren97246 жыл бұрын
Are the pots threaded or not? Can't tell. Want to bolt them to the panel. Why are they using plastic 3,5mm connectors? I'd desolder those and use metal ones but there might be a grounding design issue there? Also I'd like to switch out all the toggle caps to all black. Behringers got to have spares, right? Basically I wish to trick it out a bit and make it last as I think it sounds fantastic!
@infindebula6 жыл бұрын
Even if the pot bushings are threaded, we're looking at a prototype, so the production model could be different. Similarly, there is no guarantee that the production units will even have the rotary switches bolted to the panel. As for the rocker switch caps, they may even be standard parts, so you might be able to get them from a mainstream electronic parts vendor like Mouser or Digi-Key.
@soundlabsounddesign93924 жыл бұрын
Hi. How long do you think this synthesizer will last with regular care and studio use? (2-3 hours a day, 4-5 days a week) Thanks for this rundown!
@synthpro4 жыл бұрын
They actually hold up very well, I am still using the unit in this video and it is still working without any faults.
@soundlabsounddesign93924 жыл бұрын
synthpro thanks! I made a wooden case and added a keyboard to my Model D hopefully it will last many years :) just uploaded a video to my channel of the whole process. thanks again!
@redirishmanxlt6 жыл бұрын
So if this is polychained, would that simply allow note information? In other words, all of the Envelopes, Osc settings, Filter position, Resonance position....etc would need to be set on each synth individually right?
@TransistorBased6 жыл бұрын
redirishmanxlt yes
@herberdth2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. What's the CPU and DAC model?
@brianbrill6 жыл бұрын
Cool, thanks for showing this. How wide is the case?
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brian, happy to share. Im not sure right off hand but will get that for you.
@snolan19906 жыл бұрын
Would be cool if it is relatively close to 19" as you know someone will manufacture some ears for it.
@infindebula6 жыл бұрын
You'd be farther ahead to just get 19" Eurorack rails and mount the Behringer to those. You'll have a bit of room for a couple Euro modules too!
@JoshRichmanDesign5 жыл бұрын
Can you swap the toggle switches to match the original mini Moog?
@nonono87884 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering the same thing. I may carefully dig into mine to try and figure it out.
@MadelnMachines4 жыл бұрын
I think everything is much larger on the original. It's quite a sizable instrument!
@JoshRichmanDesign4 жыл бұрын
I mean swap the order / colors, not the size
@quantika726 жыл бұрын
There you go people, keep paying $300-$500 for a single eurorack VCO! 😂
@elissitdesign4 жыл бұрын
Cami Lito you could and another zero to that for Moog owners.
@spurv4 жыл бұрын
Eric Liss Nice try.
@saimon16803 жыл бұрын
What do you mean? It’s midi to CV, noise sorurce, HP and LP filter kinda notch filtr. or resonance, envelope generator, LFO and 3 VCO, all in one package. Try geting that for less than 300/500$ on eurorack modules😂 Unless you build them yourself and you get such an accuarcy emulating moog characteristics
@TM-lg1sf3 жыл бұрын
@@saimon1680 Thats his point!
@klkdc6 жыл бұрын
will you get achance to look into the new Roland SE 02? Do you know if its as analogue as this behringer d?
@Psychlist19726 жыл бұрын
The SE 02's sound-producing circuitry is "as analogue", but the modulators (envelope, lfo, etc.) seem to be digital. Additionally, because it has presets, there's a level of indirection between the control surface and the analog voice.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Im not sure, It would be fun to get my hands on one, if Roland is reading this and would like to send me one for a none biased review, I would be happy to ; 0 )
@klkdc6 жыл бұрын
synthpro ....I am thinking of buying one-also one of these behringer- I have the new mini d re issue and it is fabulous - I will send the Roland to you on loan if you want to evaluate it and make video - the presets and the sequencer on the Roland seem like a great idea - maybe it can be wired to a rack of behringers for multi voices
@Psychlist19726 жыл бұрын
I posted some photos of the SE-02 boards here. www.flickr.com/photos/psychlist1972/albums/72157685399706662
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Pete!
@thorsonthorson7366 жыл бұрын
Hey, Synthpro--the operating voltages in the Behringer D are the same is in the vintage Model D? You mention a 10v rail--that's identical to the operating voltage of a vintage Model D? Thanks a ton! If that's correct, that's excellent news!
@thorsonthorson7366 жыл бұрын
Also, how easily could one add PWM to the VCOs? That seems like one of coolest features that the Model D lacks. I don't know enough about VCO architecture to know if it's easy to implement in this circuit.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your correct Thorson, voltages are the same with only a few added to run the digital to analog converter.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
I could look into this, I have never added PWM to a minimoog, Im sure it wouldn't be too hard. there are tricks to fake a PWM by using the reversed sawtooth on OSC 3 and then Sawtooth on OSC 1 and 2. offset the tuning of OSC 3 just a bit and the phasing between the waveforms do create a pulse like response.
@KiR_3d6 жыл бұрын
Behringer, we wait for more synth dinosaurs! :) Really hope you'll make an Arp 2600 modular clone with some extras! Or Jupiter 8 clone... well... this will be even more awesome if you'll dare! I'm ready to buy these things! Your prices are really good, keep in this way, please. (not the whole World can buy Model D for 300$ still... and IMHO the prices are well balanced)
@MisAnnThorpe6 жыл бұрын
I'll hold out for the OBXa "recreation"!
@KiR_3d6 жыл бұрын
IMO, OBx is cool but... it was re-created well even in the well-known VST plugin... :-| It sounds 99% the same, I was surprized! And I've never met an adequate emulation of Jupiter8. Of course, having OBx in a solid clone would be great as well! But (IMHO) Jupiter 8 and Arp2600 are more welcome because these are pretty rare and hard to maintain in a good condition (even if you'll buy a broken one, it's a real quest to fix it well).
@KiR_3d6 жыл бұрын
I vote for Oberheim Matrix 12 in a case of "Oberclone" ;)
@MisAnnThorpe6 жыл бұрын
I see a lot more Jupiter 8s come up for sale than I do the OBX. The are a very rare synth it seems (there are 2 on C'sL, right this moment (at suspiciously low prices it must be said!) or maybe it's simply the case that those that own them don't let them go?
@KiR_3d6 жыл бұрын
I'm not ready to spend 10+ grands for Jupiter 8 :) OBx's sound is cool but I think it's not hard to buy it (and it's not _that_ expensive). Also few VST makers did great plugins that sounds almost like this synthesizer. I've seen the comparison on KZfaq... OK, I'm repeating already :) The other important detail is that old synths weight _a lot!_ This "gives" you some pretty bad limitations. I like that Model D is so compact and they've managed to create so powerful sound in this format. Imagine if they'll make a version of Arp 2600 and so compact... it will be a real blast :)
@welcometothejungle82986 жыл бұрын
Hi I'm Darryl this is my Mini Moog and this is my mini Mini Moog.
@xuzhangning2 жыл бұрын
hi, synthpro. I've heard a saying if you replace all capacitor into audio class capacitor (such as, elna silmic or nichicon audio grade capacitors), the sound will get improved directly. Is that true? If so, perhaps buy a synth and DIY with audio grade capacitor will be a wise way to go. And does this work on Behringer Model D?
@synthpro2 жыл бұрын
That is true in some cases I have seen. What tends to happen is with some cheaper caps, they are not true to their values or have a tolerance issue causing DC leakage which can effect how AC is passed in a audio coupling situation. I have not tried replacing caps in my Behringer model D yet but I'm sure if you put some higher spec caps in areas of the coupling circuits, it could improve the low end a bit, (thats the only area I have noticed any noticeable difference). There are lot of factors though, when it comes to audio circuits...some of it is just hype but there are some truths mixed in for sure.
@xuzhangning2 жыл бұрын
@@synthpro thanks for your reply. love your videos
@wafflestoast52286 жыл бұрын
Let's say you have 4 of them (which I am considering strongly...) With the polychain capability, can you set one of them as master and the other slave for *all* of the parameters/knobs? Can you do that at all? Can you at LEAST do it to the filter?
@infindebula6 жыл бұрын
No, you can't. Certainly not by MIDI. But it's patchable, so you could control 4 filters (or other things) simultaneously using control voltages from other devices / modules! Similarly, you could use one LFO as a modulation source for all four units.
@wafflestoast52286 жыл бұрын
infindebula Thanks. The filter was my main one, since I don’t have 4 hands, and the filter is the main parameter that I would “play” live. I can always send 4 separate channels of midi out to each D, therefore creating chords. I still can’t believe how powerful 4 of them will be.
@MegaKid3036 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr Synthpro, I cant wait for this clone to be released. It was supposed to be coming out this month but apparently has been delayed and is gonna be more like December :( BUMMER. Anyway, do you think there is any way of detuning the DAC to 432Hz as I'm trying to create all my music in the the more harmonious and natural frequency music is supposed to be in before it was hijacked by eugenisists. Sorry for the depressing digression there. Would it be possible do you think? By the way I've realy enjoyed your information regarding this synth it has been most informative.
@MegaKid3036 жыл бұрын
How would you go about aletring it. I know I could tune it to an external source, was just wondering if it could be altered easily, or relatively anyway
@MegaKid3036 жыл бұрын
Gutted we gotta wait a few more months but hey its gotta be right I guess
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Im not sure if the DAC could be altered in this way for the 440Hz programming but I know detuning would probably get the instrument to 432Hz. I will have to look into this a little deeper.
@AshBashVids6 жыл бұрын
A shame 432hz is complete nonsense.
@MegaKid3036 жыл бұрын
Actually mr sledge if you research about 432hz. Before the Rockerfeller conference of 1939 the general tuning for classical music was 432hz which is hamonious with nature and our bodies. 440 is generally believed as just a national standard so musicians around the world would be intune with one another but it is a discordant frequency for nature and our minds. look at cymatics with 440 and 432. 440 is a broken pattern whereas 432 is a full pattern and more pleasant to the ears, all be it very hard to distinguish. Some peolpe cannot perceive a difference but i can. Anyway it is not nonsense
@davidsimons13776 жыл бұрын
Wish Behringer or Korg or someone would do a Polymoog!
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
It very well could happen but not by the usual companies, thats all I can say right now ; 0 )
@bcastromusic6 жыл бұрын
Nice one. Thanks for taking the time. What are you using for a camera? It's pretty decent. Are you manually focusing or is it auto-focusing?
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Your welcome, happy to share. I use a Cannon Vixia HF R300, its a great little camera but battery life in not that great at all. I was using auto focus but of course that can be turned off for manual control.
@bcastromusic6 жыл бұрын
Pretty good. I figured it was a 'camcorder' because the autofocus is decent, I thought maybe you were riding the manual focus on a DSLR. The sharpness and shallow depth of field is pretty good, better than those Go Pro's and stuff. Thanks for the reply, I'm trying to figure out what to use next for youtube stuff when I'm moving around.
@theboofin6 жыл бұрын
You will still have to range and scale like on the original?
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Only when it gets some age on it, circuits do get wear in them after so many hours of use.
@steveswan57146 жыл бұрын
Won't be long to my birthday 😬
@sav561256 жыл бұрын
Hi synthpro, does Behringer Model D uses a heated 3046 in VCOs?
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Hi Andriy S, the model D does nt use te heated 3046s, its an exact replica of the minimoog osillator so you will naturally have some drift. I will say the tuning holds a lot better in these due to how close all the components are.
@sav561256 жыл бұрын
Original mini has two types of VCO boards. The older revision uses non heated 3046, the newer revision heated µA726 pairs. So in Behringer D, they use non heated 3046?
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
There are actually three types of oscillators designs in a minimoog. the first ran from 1971 to early 72 and used all discrete transistors for making up the exponential current circuits. The second design, (which is what is in the Model D) used the 3046 transistor array in place of individual transistors which is not a heated circuit. the third design which you are talking about did use the UA726, (thermally regulated matched transistor pair) IC. Now the prodigy actually used a heated 3046, it used a current loop through a set of transistors in the chip to create heat, you have a trim pot that you use to adjust the current drop inside the IC, this was a whole new design and you lost the need for tempco resistors as well, they are just as solid as the 726 design.
@jgk3816 жыл бұрын
is it 100% analog (besides midi)? I know some of the new budget analog synths lower costs by using digital envelopes/modulation/etc., just wondering if that's the case here.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
This synth is actually using analog EG's designed off the moog EG's. its even discrete as well and you can kinda see the circuits as I'm talking about SMD, focus in on the A,D,S (Attack, Decay, Sustain) knobs and you will see the two circuits, one is between the VCF and VCA controls and the other is below the Loudness Contour controls. The modulation is analog as well and even offers CV inputs for the LFO rate. Hope this helps, Jareth
@jgk3816 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jareth,. Its amazing they're able to sell these so cheap. Great job on these vids btw.
@infindebula6 жыл бұрын
What's even more amazing (and insulting) is that Moog was trying to sell the Model D reissue for so much! Seriously -- if Moog made this Eurorack product I would buy it, even at twice the price of the Behringer.
@pekkagronfors73046 жыл бұрын
Great video! Tripod? ;)
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I didn't really want to use a tripod on this video because I knew I would have to focus in on the board and use zoom. Thanks again, Jareth
@slipper-uk98785 жыл бұрын
what game arevyou playing on playstation one ?
@Donetur Жыл бұрын
Would you say that repairing a Behringer synth would be hard or not for an electronic technician?.
@synthpro Жыл бұрын
It really isn't any harder than other modern synths. Unlike some of the bigger brands out there, I actually have schematics for the Behringer D which can help a lot if troubleshooting is needed. Surface mount electronics does take special skill and tools because you can easily damage tracings or overheat components easier due to size but this is the same style electronics you find in new moogs, Sequential, korg, Roland, etc.
@Donetur Жыл бұрын
@@synthprothanks for your answer :)
@FullFledged20106 жыл бұрын
As a semi conductor technician my experience is that smd components "last" longer than the average trough hole component. So other than the pots and switches this thing should last a very long time np.
@KRAFTWERK2K66 жыл бұрын
The extreme use of SMD electronics is actually quite worrysome. Especially with SMD fuses and SMD caps. That shit is VERY difficult to replace if something goes bad after some time. So a lot of these will probably end up as electronic waste sooner or later and people won't bother spending money to repair them, unlike you would with restoring a vintage Mini Moog. So yeah the mass of SMD parts on the board is quite a huuuuge issue.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
KRAFTWERK2K6 I know where your coming from but SMD is here to stay in most productions. here's the truth. If you open moog synths you will find SMD throughout the LP, Sub, Mother, etc. Same with DSI. Whats even worse is that service manuals and schematics are not available for those so if they break, its tough to follow failures. Now, the old moogs I can work on all day long, good schematics, service notes, etc. The schematics are available for the B model D so if there are problems, it be followed. The model D does have a lot of through hole caps which is also a plus.
@KRAFTWERK2K66 жыл бұрын
What, NO schematics with the newer Moog and DSI synths? Well that shows how much trust these companies have left towards their userbase. Especially for the upper range of gear that is not really cheap. And yeah, I do get the point with SMD parts in todays productions. It really seems that we cannot have the good without the bad and the ugly. At least in the cheaper price segment i can live with that sour compromise.
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
KRAFTWERK2K6 yeah, no schematics or service notes for moog or DSI but that goes for lots of companies today. The way they handle problems is either factory repairs or board swaps, Im not against this procedure but its going to be a major problem when these instruments are discontinued, techs like myself will be left without any way to make repairs. It's not really all that sour with surface mount, sure its hard to repair without proper tooling and component values are not always on parts which can be a pain so you have to either look them up in the parts list or by values in the schematics. Lots of modern gear worries me for the reason of no info for servicing and we are talking expensive brands. It's a shame because it used to be that only certified techs could get manuals but most companies don't even do that anymore😞
@aabs79785 жыл бұрын
The osc range knobs feel very loose.
@AdamTheAd-vanc3d6 жыл бұрын
Yes damn right #13.00 you definitly wont drink any extra gas/petrol in when travelling with it either.
@sounddoctorin6 жыл бұрын
btw here's an update of dealing w/Behringer on repair issues: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p8hhfNWAp6rLin0.html
@Strateggo6 жыл бұрын
lots of comments here about how Behringer is evil etc. This isn't made for Moog fans, nor it is made for professional recording artists, nor is it made actually for anyone who ever heard of Moog. The target market is the one that was created by Korg from the Volca series, the one that was created by Roland from the Boutique series (whose prices actually oscillate around the $300 mark) and obviously the rising Eurorack fandom. Personally, I wouldn't have bought a Moog D. That's because there are tons of filters for Eurorack that 'recreate' the Moog sound, and for $3k, I'd prefer to use my $$$ for a few modules. Now for $300, I might or might not buy it the Behringer (it's actually bulky considering I'm a Euro player). I actually bought a couple of Roland Boutique's, but they're underused because they don't fit well in my Euro workflow. I love my Volca Bass however and I'll never part from it. And last but not the least, with Moog, I'd be only interested in their bigger, full modular systems. In terms of keyboards, I'm more of a Sequential Circuits guy, but then again, Korg and Behringer (DM12) have great offerings these days. Bottomline, this thing is a gadget for most of the people who're going to buy it. Expect a mass of them to be put on eBay within 3/6 months of the purchase date. It won't lower the value of the Moogs, as long as there's a continued interest / revival in vintage analogue synthesizers.
@steveallenmashburn88156 жыл бұрын
What is the hp width?
@synthpro6 жыл бұрын
The length is 14.5" and width is a little over 5"
@pgestudio755 жыл бұрын
Surface mount is all good, more compact and an overall cleaner finish, however, a DIY surface mount component replacement is murder to even attempt, unlike old school through-hole components.
@thisismyname0074 жыл бұрын
The design is “retro” in that it’s a heap of op-amps and transistors.
@trilfiger4482 жыл бұрын
I wish someone would sell me their empty model D case so I can turn in to an effects rack to fit with my model D and Cat I’ve been looking everywhere for the empty 60HP case to fit the behringer rack stand
@klaasj78086 жыл бұрын
When do they start using normal components again, i hate smd and strange surface ic's. I want to know whats in there and want to measure easily without to have fiddling around those small crazy smd components.
@mk1st3 жыл бұрын
When I first saw these I thought they looked "cheap" but now I'm going to upgrade that opinion to "inexpensive"