And maybe we NEED a B+ designation to be "institutionalized" because the differences between a B...a B+...and a C are MAJOR!

It feels like you are trying to "pull one over" because you are posing as "being objective" while pointing out "your baby's" strengths and demeaning the Travato at every other turn, like standing to block out the Travato nameplate at the beginning. This is an advertisement very strongly pretending to be something else in the beginning.

I would argue that, from the point of view of the consumer looking for factual differences between options, the moniker C- would be much more accurate. That would, unfortunately, be a marketing disaster!

Thanks Todd. It was a lot of work and some very, very long days, but we had a great time on the trip. We learned quite a bit about both vehicles as we drove through all kinds of weather and terrain. Glad you got something out of the video and thanks for taking the time to write. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions. - Steve.

Hi Paul, technically yes. LOL. But we wanted to provide information to the consumer for both. Thanks for watching! -KT

Thor Motor Coach question is...how much is that model???

Lisa, here is a link to all the current Gemini floor plans and the MSRP. www.thormotorcoach.com/gemini/floor-plans/ Thanks for watching. - Steve

@@lisay5450 I would advise you to check large Dealer franchises like Camping World...at the end of the year. You can search for NEW vehicles, all over the country, that are selling at BIG discounts. Those discounts are available in order to clear their lots for the winter AND make room for next year's models.

@@badguy1481 i actually bought a TT for cash...not financing anything in these crazy times and just enjoying living debt free for a while 😃

At least this slider isn’t required for camping, that is, you can leave it in and still manage. I like that. I would only use it in a clean environment and not like in the desert with blowing dirt and sand.

It is a sweet ride. Thanks for watching.

Agreed, a nice ad for Thor. These 2 coaches are for 2 different types of RV use.

they were " Comparing the Differences " so people could choose what they would like the best without buying what they wouldn't be happy with

To me, my class B drives more like a car. The Class C and B+ RV's I've driven...you can feel the additional weight and height when you turn corners. I don't like the Ford gasoline engine on the Thor. Too loud and too under powered. I like the Mercedes Diesel a lot better. Some have said the Ford Diesel and chassis is a lot better ride also... but I've haven't driven one so I can't make a comparison.

great point

drag queen 6

they tell while they are scanning your card :)

Thanks for watching. We're glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful.

Thanks for watching! We hope you enjoy and respect your preference. ;) -KT

Doesn't Viagra take longer than 17 seconds to "deploy"?

It's a B and a B+. B+ typically don't have a bed over the cab as a C does.

I own the Compass 23TR great little unit, easy to drive parks just about anywhere. Its small enough that it can be used for day trips. Easy on fuel, between 14 & 16 MPG. The little Diesel Easley pulls a 6% grade. Very happy with it.

I think most class B vans (including Travato, used here for comparison) will have a hard time disguising as a normal commercial van. People easily identify them as an RV. Maybe if you start with a van with no windows and do your own custom build, then yes, you can stealth camp in an urban environment.

Hi Michael, you're right. B is booming. I personally like them as well, whether it's a B or a small Class C that's around 25-27 feet. Very maneuverable. ;) Thanks for watching! -Kara

I'm still deciding whether I'd go for a Class B or a small Class C or B+ although at this stage I'm leaning towards class B+ under 23ft. I used to think I'd go for a caravan and tow vehicle set-up but after experiencing the hassles of towing, I'd rather have a motorhome and then an e-bike for short distance travel. A much more convenient, healthy set-up IMO.

BADGUY 1 Thanks for watching and taking the time to write the feedback. - Steve

@@ThorMotorCoach I now own a Thor Gemini TK (similar to the model layout in the video). The Ford Transit front end has a lot of power even more so than my Roadtrek Zion. And I think the ride is even a bit more smooth although BOTH vehicles are very comfortable to ride in. I like the larger amount of room in my Gemini although the Ford cockpit is a bit more cramped than what I had in the Zion. All and all...I'm VERY happy with my new purchase.

The reason B vans are more expensive is that they start with a cargo van and need to install everything within the confines of the van shell. In Class B+ (C) you start with a platform and simply put prefabricated walls with most of the stuff preinstalled even before the vehicle drives onto the factory floor. There is much more labor involved in upfitting class B van, hence higher price.

@@user-ym6lc7pk1e Correct...but STILL one gets more room in a B+ at a lower price...AND...One can park a B+ in a supermarket packing place almost as easily as a B.

Hi Kieron, thanks for writing. Size is one of the differences we touch on yes. But we also talk about the differences the chassis, horsepower, towing, amenities, seating and sleeping options, front wheel drive vs rear wheel drive. The title is exactly what the video is, talking about and showing the differences. That's one of the great things about the RV industry there's something out there for everyone. - Steve

Thanks Brian for watching. Like others have said, there are slight differences between B, B+ and C. I respect your preference. :) Happy traveling! -KT

A B+ is just a made up marketing term. B+ sounds better than C-. According to the RVIA, B+ doesn't exist.

Too funny...correcting the builder...lol. The video is correct. Per RVIA, to be a Class C is has over cab sleeping see www.rvia.org/?esid=TypeCMHs

Steve Matthews according to the link it says "optional sleeping space" not required. The class B page says " called campervan, ... drives like family van." The Gemini drives like a U-hual.

Section 1-E. Motorhome. A “Motorhome” is a recreation vehicle unit built on a self-propelled motor vehicle chassis. The basic product types, as defined by the Board of Directors, are “Type A”, “Type B” and “Type C”. www.rvia.org/UniPop.cfm?v=2&OID=11549&CC=832

Hi Tony. Calling it a C is correct. We also call it a B+ and a Recreational Utility Vehicle. The Gemini and the Travato we compared it with both have a very similar MSRP. We want to give people in the market for a B van another option for essentially the same money. Thanks for writing - Steve

The I-5 is solid. It's does well with gas mileage and they are great to drive. The Transit has been around 50 years in various configurations. It's only come to the U.S. since 2013. My recommendation would be to go to your local dealer and spend some time test driving one so you can come to your own conclusions. Thanks - Steve

Tom, Thanks for the feedback. - Steve

If you'r bringing kids and or dogs along motels are not a better choice.

IQ is so important

Helllo! Airstream is one of our sister companies under the Thor Industries umbrella. With the major difference in price point, the Atlas is going to have a few more bells and whistles. The MSRP on a 2019 Gemini on a Sprinter Chassis is $122,850. From what I am finding on line, the cost of a 2018 Atlas is about 100K more, coming in around $218,000. That is not too far off from our entry level diesel pusher, the Palazzo. Hope this helps - Steve

Back in the day they could. My 1987 Suncrest by RR Coachworks slept 8. 2 on the back RV queen, 2 on the dinette that folded to a full bed, 2 on the jackknife sofa that was a full bed and you could put 2 kids up on the pull down bunk over the driver section, and that is a class A 30 feet. For a sleep over birthday party when I was 16 that RV slept 6 girls across the back queen bed. So if you get cozy you can fit more. My 1991 Itasca mini Spirit does 6, 2 on the overhead bunk, 2 on the dinette and 2 on the rear twin beds. There are options, both of these RV's are 30 feet so they aren't huge monsters...I'll admit the Itasca is on a van chassis and is a "easier" drive, the big ol Class A handles like a bus and you sit over the driver steer tire so you feel EVERY bump in the road. Both will tow a car, I've towed a full sized 10 ft extended bed pickup that was the extended cab behind the Class A, never noticed it, usually towed a sedan behind, have towed a minivan behind as well. Have not towed with the Itasca. There are options out there, you may just not get to buy "new". Also, less stuff to break on the "olders" but you need to be RV saavy and mechanically inclined to be driving one, even a new one can and will leave you high and dry sometimes.

Hi LaTasha. Our Class B+ line up is not prepped for a washer and dryer. You can find all the specs and floor plans here. www.thormotorcoach.com/motorhomes/Class-B-Motorhomes/ Thanks for watching - Steve

Hi Steve. You're right. At :53 seconds we show the specs of the Gemini being 10'8" with the A.C. Thanks for watching. - Steve

Head to our website and build your own to find the right price for you. www.thormotorcoach.com/motorhomes/class-b-motorhomes/. Thanks for watching Loretta! -KT

Hello. The Gemini is very easy to drive and park. It may not be as small and maneuverable as the B-Van, but you can most certainly park it in store lots and even on the street, you'll just take up two spaces. During the filming of the video we stopped for lunch and parked it in a fast food lot. Thanks for watching. - Steve

Hi. Our Gemini and Compass run from 23'- 6" to 26'. You can check them out here. www.thormotorcoach.com/motorhomes/recreational-utility-vehicles/ Thanks for the question. - Steve

Hi. We made the comparison to show people. for about the same money, what you can get in an R.U.V. B-vans are perfectly fine and excellent for certain situations. It boils down to what people what and how they are going to use it. Thanks for watching - Steve.

C. B. B+. It's all good in our book. ;) Thanks for checking us out Rick! -KT

My teenaged daughters told me that's what all the cool kids were doing these days. - Steve

Our Class B+ is labeled as such because there is no cab-over bunk in the Gemini which is typically found in a Class C. Also, we build on a Ford Transit, which is typically known as a van chassis. I appreciate you taking the time to watch. Sincerely, Kara

It's Typically Know as a van lol except when it's a cutaway like every other Class C lol

Sorry to hear that. Hopefully one day we can change your mind! Thanks for watching though! -KT

He's (lin juan) is not alone: Thor needs to up their quality (materials, construction, workmanship, etc.) big-time. Some potential RV buyers stay away from ANY Thor product (even their nice-looking but questionable-quality small Class As) due to their poor reputation in those areas. And I haven't even mentioned their customer service/care/support AFTER the sale if the unit has problems needing fixing. People looking for a rig like this (B+ or small Class C) would probably go Pleasure-Way instead (better reputation all around). Looking forward to Thor taking these issues seriously and producing a better-built product sooner vs. later, -- BR

Hi Bill, thanks for commenting and letting us know your concerns. If you currently have a motorhome built by us, please reach out to Customer Service at 877-855-2867. We take every owner's concern seriously. I'm sorry whoever you talked to has made you feel any other way. Sincerely, Kara

Thank you, Kara, but it's not "someone" (as in ONE person) it's a number of people/owners. Really, I'm not the kind of person that would go by what only ONE person said and write-off a RV brand or dealer (that wouldn't be fair to maker/dealer), I'd look further to get a consensus of as many reviews/ratings I could find. Still, all one needs to do is research RV brands, and I've seen enough negative reviews in the past about most RV makers (including your maybe most serious competitor, the Forest River conglomerate) to turn me off. Frankly though, MOST RV makers (except Class Bs, which seem to be the better-made RV segment of them all, not perfect, but still noticeably better than most class 5th wheels, TTs and many Class As) produce "stuff" I couldn't be interested in. I'm willing to pay more money (lots more, even though I'm not "rich" by any metric!) for quality, not junk. AND a RV brand (and DEALER!) that takes no-weasel-word-warranty care of its customers -- or pass the buck between dealer and maker, with the owner like a ping-pong ball caught in the middle, while his/her RV is sitting on a dealer's lot for weeks/months getting NOTHING done/repaired on it, especially warranty work! So I really need to be seeing mostly positive owner reviews (vs. negative) about Thor -- the product itself (materials used and workmanship) AND customer care/support AFTER the sale if (actually, WHEN) there are issues -- the two critical areas people evaluate before purchasing any RV brand (regardless of what class we're talking about)...BOTH have to have high ratings, not just one. For me, they both rate 50-50 in importance, meaning 50% +50% = 100%. I don't expect a perfect rating (100%!) but at least 80% and above, preferably 90%. MOST RV makers are rated WAY too low, not even close to that so for me, no deal. It's like apartment hunting at a site like "apartmentratings" -- I want to see MOSTLY high ratings (again, 80% or better, preferably 90% or better, including rating the management/staff) by residents of those properties, but DO expect some low ones in the mix (too many low ratings I look elsewhere to live). Again, "perfect" ratings (100% recommended) are not real-life so I don't expect them in apartment hunting, customer/owner product reviews on products on Amazon, Walmart, Home Depot -- whatever -- OR RV buying! ;-) Also, I'd like to see RV makers put pressure on "questionable" dealers that don't take care of customers, too. Few RV makers will do that and the customer feels abandoned by the brand, so that HURTS brand recognition (so it's in the brand's interest to keep their dealers in line). And since (TMK) there are no Lemon Laws re: RVs (as there are for vehicles), the right choice of RV maker AND one of their dealers is even MORE important. I'm glad you said Thor takes such customer "feedback" seriously, but most RV makers don't, and it really hurts sales. Te Internet can be good or bad for companies, as potential customers can research them easily & instantly (unlike the "old days" BEFORE we had the Internet). If for no other reason (meaning, looking out for their bottom-line if they don't REALLY care about customers) companies need to mind what's being said about them online -- and FIX whatever they discover is a genuine problem. When (if) Thor gets consistently high ratings in both areas -- product quality and customer care/support -- I'll reconsider... Regards, -- BR

P.S. BTW, while I'm here, how about Thor making a 4-Season and 4x4 (or AWD) motorhome? THOSE are becoming more popular but almost all RV makers aren't meeting the challenge or demand. One Class B maker is getting real close to that presently (but NOT a Canadian B/B+ maker, as one would expect, as THEY are behind the times), but I expect more RV brands WILL be making that kind of RV -- I'm sure SALES will be brisk for them. I think a small/compact 4-Season/4x4 or AWD Class A like Thor makes would be a first in that A segment, and have zero competition sales-wise. More of us are wanting to use our RVs ALL YEAR LONG, not just 3-Season. AND, we don't want to be limited to pavement/campgrounds, either. No, I don't expect to be doing serious off-roading (like those VERY expensive 4x4 "Overlanding" vehicles), but at least mild "off-pavement" boon-docking would be nice. So please, ENOUGH of the very pretty/feature-rich RVs BUT with unheated water/holding tanks, plumbing exposed under the floor (so it can easily FREEZE), WAY too low road clearance and only 2WD RVs. And MORE SOLAR (for boon-docking), too, not the measly amount on RVs now. WAY more -- and lithium batteries, too. Word. ;-) -- BR

its not dishonest if its obvious...

Try boondocking for a week in a Travato with it's small black tank and then let us know if you still prefer not having an option of 28 gallon black.